C. Suite Unfiltered: Business in Not Fun, Stealing Phones, and Horse Money

Welcome back to the Mike Andies podcast where we discuss the ins and outs of owning a small business. If you're new here, the Mike Andies podcast is all about taking your business to the next level. We're back with another episode of C Suite Unfiltered with Lee park and mikeandys. Today they're answering the age old question, is doing business supposed to be fun? Lee's starting a new personal challenge and Mike, of course, is starting a new business. Where do entrepreneurs get their drive to succeed? You can find all this and more at the C Suite unfiltered YouTube channel. But let's get right into it. It. Here's Lee park and my candies.

Oh, yeah, man. We got our intro music even. Let's go. We're live, folks.

Let's go. Welcome back to another episode of C Suite Unfiltered.

Let's go. We even have intro music.

We have intro music.

We even have. Check this out, dude.

Thank you. Thank you.

And there you are, live studio audience. Dude, that's fantastic. I love it. All right, let's jump right in.

Let's do it.

What a Super bowl it was.

What Super Bowl? The super bowl hasn't happened yet.

Yeah, but this is coming out after oh, crazy man storylines.

Oh, man.

With this family and the whole thing. Just insane.

Whose family?

I'm just making it up. This is coming out after the super bowl, so I'm pretending we watched and wow. Crazy man.

Incredible.

Dude. Do you even know who's in the Super Bowl?

I do. The Eagles and the Chiefs.

Nice.

Right on.

Who? Who are you picking? If you were a betting man.

If I was a betting man, I got to go with the Chiefs. Just because Patrick Mahomes has all the experience. They just much more experienced team compared to Jalen Hurts.

Yeah, fair enough. I'm surprised you know both their names. You try to follow it a little bit, but that surprises me. We'll see. Everyone in the comments section can hold Mike to it.

Like most sports, I'm a big playoffs fan. Yeah, same, same.

Yeah, I'm, I don't know my I, I, I got a good feeling about the birds. Yes. The Eagles, they feel like they are more complete team. So we'll see. So Mike's taking Chiefs, I'm taking birds. And you guys all know what happened by the time this comes out. But dude, I saw something, a graphic and it said that people were really upset about the design of the super bowl logo. And I here's my hot people get mad about anything. Here's my hot Take of the day. Design peaked in the 80s and 90s. Graphic design for the super bowl commercial.

Or in general, Dude.

In general, like, everything's colorful, and they didn't care about, like, everything wasn't clean. Clean and crisp and what's it. What's. What's it called when it. Like, it. Mirrors.

Symmetrical.

Symmetrical. Thank you. I was blanking on the word. Like, they're all wild. If you look at all the super bowl logos from the 80s and the 90s, wild colors, themes that kind of went along with the city that was hosting the super bowl, and now it's all silver, gold, and the. In the trophy.

Yeah.

It's just boring. Yeah.

Boring.

Well, I know, but that's a Super Bowl. In general, I think I like more modern design.

Yeah. I mean, I think in general, I do, too, but I'm just like, dude, the 80s and 90s logos were wild, and now, like, for the last 13, you're nostalgic.

That's.

I am a little nostalgic.

You're nostalgic.

Yeah. But, like, since 2010, it's the exact same logo, just a slight variation here or there. The biggest variation was in. Whenever it was the 50th Super bowl, and they put a big 5.

0.

Anyway, budget cuts, graphic design, MRI probably.

Got paid thousands of dollars or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it.

Oh, yeah, totally. Ad space is insane, too, in the Super Bowls.

Yeah.

Did you see Mr. Beast? He had a tweet about super bowl ads.

He.

He said he was.

Isn't he gonna do a commercial?

Well, I. I don't. I don't.

For feastables.

Yeah. I think there's. There's something going on with that. I know there's a lot of, like, speculation, but I. I just saw a tweet that he had, and I thought it was hilarious. He's like, if someone wants to get in front of 100 million viewers for less, let me know.

Oh, yeah.

And he had a bunch of brands hit him up because he's like, I can get in front of 100 million people tomorrow.

Yeah, dude. But. But there's a slight difference. I think the age demographic would be different. Right.

That's what everyone said.

Okay.

Really? Okay. Yeah. Good.

Yeah.

Cause it's probably. I'd say 50 million plus. Like, half of his audience is probably, you know, under 18.

Right.

And so. But still, it's 100% valid. Like, if you are a, you know, a mobile app or a game. Like. Yeah. Why in the world. If you're Going after like an 18 to 24 year old audience. You should definitely be taking him up on that because for a few million dollars you can get on his.

Yeah.

For way less than a commercial. I haven't even looked up what it is, but they always do that. Like the average price of a 30 second ad, it goes up more and more every year. It's insane.

Well, this is in part why I'm now run ads against my own YouTube channel, is because I'm like, look, if other brands think it's a good deal to spend money on my ad, why in the world would I not take them up on that and get half of the money back? Because every ad that's played, I get half of the. Well, 55% or 45% or whatever. So that's why I'm running ads against my own, my own channel now.

I got my first one the other day. I was very excited.

I was extremely excited. You also, on your main channel, did a video on Peloton.

Oh yeah.

And I put up a comment that we had talked about Peloton before, but I think it got auto taken down because I put the link to our C suite video.

Dude, I don't know if you, I went through the filtered comments. If you want to, if you want to have like a big D grade in your day quality, just read filtered comments. Like every like bad word in the book.

Dude, really?

And I hadn't gone through in probably a year and a half, two years. And so I went through the past like few weeks. Dude, people, intense, man. So now you, you are in the acclaimed filtered comment section.

I'm so excited. That's great. Yeah, I saw someone on like one of your Facebook posts, you were just like posting something general about lawn care media and someone like called you a hack. I was like, dude, just like, look at the price. Like do a little bit of research. Like long care media is not a hack.

Hey, you should check out the filtered ones.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

I can only imagine people call you. It's hilarious.

That's horrible. And now I'm putting myself in the content space.

Oh, yes.

So now I'm gonna get those. Now I'm gonna get those comments.

Speaking of which.

Yeah.

You've been on this recent little kick here, franchisees going on 75 hard.

Yeah.

So explain what 75 hard is and, and what's going on with Augusta Nation.

Yeah, I'm on a new Quest, you know, 2023, the year of me.

The year of year of me.

That's what that's what all the cool people are saying. Okay, so yes, one of our.

That's not self centered. No, the year of me.

Just what we need in the world, more selfishness. That'll get us through. So one of our franchisees.

That would imply that 2002 was the year of you. But that didn't happen. Sorry.

No, it didn't. You have to get a vaccine. I don't know. That was bad.

You just got demonetized 100%.

We're gonna get the COVID warning on the YouTube video. Let's go. I'll make it. So one of our franchisees named Dave Reynolds, awesome guy, he runs marathons. Like very into Fitness Hole 9. And he's like, all right guys, he, he posting our private franchise group for all the augustination. And he goes, all right, guys, I'm starting 75 hard on this day. Like, let's get after it this year. Who's in? And I saw the post. I thought about it.

I thought about it. I thought this was an instinctual.

No, it wasn't. No, no. I genuinely like took a step back. I saw the post. I was like, I'm not gonna like it. I'm not gonna comment. I'm gonna do a little research. I wanna.

Why can't you like the post and not commit to it, bro?

I don't, I don't want to. No, no false, false flags or anything. I want to be committed. So I did some research. I've heard about 75 hard before. I feel like most people have, but if you don't know what it is, it's a workout program, a mindset program, whatever you want to call it. I don't know who created it. Do you know off the top of your head?

Not Lee.

Fitness guy.

No, it wasn't a fitness guy. Like a motivational dude. Not Brad. Is it Bradley? I forget.

Oh, really?

Another guy like Bradley? I forget.

Okay.

Motivational fitness kind of deal.

Yeah. Okay.

Well, anyways, motivation, fitness mindset. So Basically it's for 75 days, you. You live hard. And what that is is this is kind of the biggest one, two 45 minute workouts a day. A day. So this is every single day for 75 days. If you miss one, you restart. If you miss a day, you restart. So you don't get your 75 hard.

One of those badge. One of those days or one of those workouts is outside and one of them is inside and the outside one's the killer. Especially in winter.

Yeah. So two 45 minute workouts, one outside, one inside. Doesn't really dictate exactly how. It just has to fill the full 45 minutes. Elevated heart rate, but it can be cardio, it can be weightlifting, it can be whatever. So that's kind of step one. Number two is no cheat meals or alcohol, which pretty easy for me, honestly. Number three is stick to some sort of a diet. Once again, it doesn't have necessarily like hard guidelines on that, but. But stick to a healthy diet. And then you have read 10 pages of non fiction a day.

I gave up right there.

Yeah. Read 10 pages of non fiction a day and then drink.

It's non fiction, at least.

Non fiction reading is just horrible. Yeah. And then drink a gallon of water every day. I think that's.

Have you done the gallon of water?

Yeah, that'd be really helpful.

That's a.

Probably the easiest one for me.

Really?

Yeah, Yeah. I already drank a lot of water. I don't drink a lot of soda. Like, I like coffee energy drinks, but I don't drink anything other than maybe coffee, energy drinks and water. That's.

I think for someone that doesn't. Isn't good at like exercise and the nutrition side, just doing the water thing and then focusing on hours of sleep per night, minimum, just those two things would be very helpful.

But yeah, I could not do the reading thing. And the two times a day, 45 minutes. Killer. Because that means you're showering twice a day.

Yeah, that's. That sucks.

So really, in all, in all honesty, if you're going to the gym, you're looking at three hours a day because you gotta drive there and back, shower the whole night. You're looking at three hours just to working out. Then like you gotta do the meditation. Then you got the 10 pages of reading. Let's call that 30 minutes. You're literally committing five hours a day to that program.

Yeah.

Which is great and all.

Yeah.

But. Oh, it's only like 20% of your day. It's like. Yeah, but like that's like most of the work day, bro. So I could never do that. My workouts are 20 to 30 minutes tops. One a day max. I just did about 12 minutes of squats before you got here. Let's go. Probably kind of smells like that right now. Good.

It's all purpose studio, fitness studio, podcast studio, dude.

Living room, kitchen. So.

Yeah. So we're weekend. I say we because it's a group of us.

Yeah. WhatsApp group.

We have a WhatsApp group.

20 people.

Yeah. Kind of encouraging each other like 15, 20 people.

Dude, you would be so fun is to chart their progress in their business compared to non participants. Like year over year data. For people that do 75 hard versus not be interesting. That would be interesting, bro.

I like that.

I need a full time statistian at Augusta.

I would love that. Yeah, we had, I had a meeting with Liz and Lonnie over at the command center and I was like, can I just get like some summation of some stats? And they were like, why? I was like, this would just be really helpful, especially for sales calls. So. But yeah, 75 hard. It's. I, I saw this quote that it was like, if people say it's not that hard, they obviously didn't do it correctly. And I'm a week in and the. It's tiring for sure. Like on my body, I didn't substantially work out before, like walk the dog, walk with my wife. Like never. Never was working out like hard. So I'd say that the first couple days the soreness was really hard. But honestly, like the no cheats and no alcohol, super easy for me. Gallon of water day, pretty easy for me. The workouts, it's more just making the time and being committed. So I'm waking up at 5am busting out. I do the outdoor one at 5am I just get that over with. So I just go, I'll do things outside, like I'll push up, sit up, stuff like that. But I'm mostly just run, jog. So trying and yeah, it's, it's honestly like I hate being like, it's not that hard but like I, I think I'm just, just gonna be honest. We're in a, we're gonna say one weekend. I'm one weekend.

I'm not so hard.

I'm 10% of the way. But I think for me it's like this is a safe space. You know, we, yeah, normalized, normalize talking things you're good at. Yeah, dude, I think producer's not here.

You can say whatever you want.

I'm very strong mentally. Like, I'm a very mentally strong person. So for me I'm like, I Woke up at 5am like, do I want to do this? No. Am I going to?

Sure.

Yeah.

And I just get my running shoes on and I go. Right. So I'm excited. I think I'm going to push myself more. I did maybe take it easy. Like my first couple days it was like a 45 minute, like fast walk.

Right.

Because like I'm just very out of shape. So. Yeah, I don't know.

Good for you, man. I'm proud.

I'm excited. Thank you.

Good.

Yeah. Down a few pounds already in a week.

Already noticing a little on stage at Landscape Summit. You're everyone's going to be seeing whether or not paid off.

I know, I know. I'm like, man, got to get back on stage in front of people.

Yeah.

So we'll see. I don't know if people want to know more, feel free to comment on it. I don't think I'm gonna like, publicly like, share like I would pictures or numbers, but like you're supposed to take pictures every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess. Yeah. I'm not doing something I don't want to do that for me, that doesn't motivate me. Even if I saw a really cool end result, maybe in the end I'll be like, dang, wish I would have. But I have enough pictures of me like prior. Yeah, prior that I'm like, I think I'll just see it in general. So I have an asterisk on my 75 hard, like a couple things on it to just be 100 honest. So if anybody ever asked if I actually did, if we get to the end of these 75 days and they asked, did you do it? I will say no for this reason. One, I'm not taking the pictures because it just. It doesn't affect me. For me, if it's. If it's about your mindset, I don't need to see a physical, like representation of myself. Like I'm doing this for me. And whether my physiology changes, which it will. I don't need to see a picture of it.

Yeah. And two, your anatomy will change your physiology.

Want or sorry?

Yeah. Well, my bad. I don't know, dude.

I don't know.

I have no idea. What's physiology?

Physiology is like kind of like how it works. Like the dynamics and then the mechanics would be the actual anatomy, like fat and tissues.

There we go.

I don't know.

No, I love it. I'm trying to learn. And the second thing, people will drag me for this. I could care less. I really enjoy reading non fiction, so I'm mixing it between fiction and nonfiction because fiction's harder for me. And so if you're trying to be 75 hard, I feel like I'm actually harder than everyone else. I enjoy nonfiction.

I struggled today to read a slack message that was five lines long. And I caught myself reading the first few. First few words in the last. I was like, okay, like we need to step back and be able to read but do you never 10 pages, man.

So I'm mixing it up. I'm doing half nonfiction, half fiction.

Cool.

Fiction is a challenge for me and I want to get better at it. Like, I've always off and on read biographies. Like I'm working on two biographies right now. One Ulysses S. Grant, one John Adams. Like just historical American figures. Next one up is going to be Bob Iger. His book on working for Disney. Now he's back at Disney Shout Out. But it was like his Ride of a lifetime book is what it's titled. So I enjoy those already. So for me, the fiction side is actually harder, if you will. So that's cool. That's what I'm doing, dude. I'm excited.

I think the biggest benefit is the camaraderie of the, of the group. That's what keeps people in programs like that. And so, you know, I don't know if I've said this another dude, all you got, all the exclusive stuff.

I love it.

Yeah. So we're gonna be releasing Built for Business.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Should we already talk about this?

We talk touched on it last pod, but you didn't really go too deep into it.

Yeah. Like it's going to be a. A 52 week program. Like it will be like by the end of it you will be an athlete. Like that's the level we're trying to shoot for.

Nice.

So. But it'll be built for business. It's going to be very like, very scientific how we're building it. With my trainer Christian. I'm doing the program now too.

Cool.

So I don't think you'll see as much before and after with me because like I still like cardio. So I won't pack on right. A lot of muscle, but it will be more like a. Not bodybuilding but like you'll gain muscle and then you'll stay shredded two days a week doing some cardio.

Nice.

But yeah, dude, I'm looking forward to it. It's gonna be good. I'm gonna launch it to everyone, hopefully. I don't think like it's, you know, the main reason I'm doing is actually retaining Christian as my trainer because he has a lot of skills and abilities. I want him to be able to fulfill those. But then I also do think it's gonna be helpful for business owners that need someone accountable. Like I have to take pictures of everything I eat now. That seems horrible. But it's way faster than like going on a calorie counter and like my fitness pal or whatever and like finding your food and doing calories. Just take a picture of everything you eat and send it to someone every single day. Guarantee that it'll help you. Now, if it's your trainer that's going to look at all of those, it takes it to a different level. Snap. It's 1am I really need to eat this.

Do I need the cinnamon roll right now?

Send a picture to my trainer of my food at 2am so it's been helpful. And then, like, the training is just spot on. Like, he's just nailed it. So I've never had a trainer. And so in full disclosure, I'm doing the training with him because I want to make sure, like, the program is good. I've just never had a trainer. It's phenomenal, dude. Like, I'm gonna get in the best shape of my life. That's. And it's 25 to 30 minutes a day.

Yeah.

Because, like, that's has to be. For me, like, I'm not doing 45 an hour.

It can't.

I just can't. Like, even 45 minutes a day with 75, it was one day. I don't think I could do it.

Yeah. Yeah. For me, the 75 hard thing, it's. It's more like because there's the camaraderie of that group. That's what's going to give me, like, the additional push. Because I was like, all right, so franchise are doing it. And, like, these guys are pushing themselves. I want to kind of prove to them and to myself that, like, I can do this too. And I want to push myself with these awesome guys. Right. So the group of them were motivating each other. Right. Like this morning, Nick Snedden up in Nepen, Ontario, post a selfie. My dude is running in, like, four feet of snow. And my response was, they're built different up north. Like, he's an animal. And like, that's cool. Like, so, like, I'm encouraged seeing him getting after. I'm like, okay. Me waking up at 5am and it's a little misty outside. I'm not going to complain when I know he's out crushing it in the snow.

Let's go.

So I want to get to, like, that level where it's just. I created a habit where now it's like, every day I just do 45 minutes.

Yeah.

And I feel good about it.

Yeah. It's so. It's. Yeah. Once you create the habit of healthy living and, like, working out every day is so automatic. Like, I would. I almost feel like the weirdest thing. If I don't work out in a day. Yeah, I get the weirdest thing and you feel like a slob and it just tears everything else down. So it becomes, yeah, super habitual. All right, we're getting really deep into 75 hard 17 minutes in.

17 minutes in.

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Yeah, I did have a question for the viewers. Maybe this is better at the end, at the end of the pod or at the beginning because you know viewership percentages. But when would you guys like to see it released? When should I release?

I don't think it matters.

I've just been trying to do midweek.

Just, just post it.

Yeah. All right.

I've been doing, I've tested this so much and I look at other creators that like play with like the timing of it and everything. Dude, if it's a good video people watch, if they want to wait till like tomorrow night, they'll put it in their watch later. It's got to be good content.

Good to know. Good to know. I just didn't know if like for the current fans, they have more poll. Right, Our current viewers.

Yeah, but think about if they like the content, they're like, oh, on Friday evening, if you have it done and edited on Wednesday, if it's good, don't you think they'd want it sooner?

That's fair, right? Good to know.

I'm telling them like, look guys, when we're done something, we post it. Yeah, that's it.

Yeah.

So light transition, if you will. I honestly didn't have a ton prepared. I wanted this to be more free form.

Now this is just a question.

Yeah.

Is business as a business owner, is business supposed to be fun?

Your reaction?

It can be whether it's supposed to be fun. It just depends on what your objective for the business is. Like if your objective is to have fun in the business, that's fine. Just realize it's gonna come at the cost of probably financial, potentially other things that a business like why are you starting the business? That's the whole point. So if. If the goal and objective of the business is to have fun and you're, like, gonna travel the world and start the business in order to fund that fun. Fun. That. Fund that fun, then that's fine. But I'd say for the vast majority of people, the reason you get into business is because you need to provide for your family, you need to just pay the bills, et cetera. Likely, it's unlikely that having fun is going to be a part of the equation for the first few years, especially because you're learning so much. The. The rapid rate of educating yourself and figuring things out and breaking things is high enough to where it's not fun in the macro, but in the micro, like, there's definitely. Even when you're new, like, getting a new truck, super fun.

Right.

You know, getting new equipment, like, putting it all together and like, organizing things like a new shop, that's fun. And so I think as you. As you develop as a capitalist, you start looking at the business more from a numbers perspective. And if that's what you're optimizing it for and not optimize it for fun or lifestyle, then you just look at business a little differently.

Yeah. Taking it a step deeper now, I want to get deep here. Do you feel that having fun has been a factor in your success? I think outsiders looking in, I would say your success right now, like, you could sell Augusta, you could hang it up and walk away with a nice paycheck, like, you were successful. Do you think having fun has been a factor in your success? Or did you. Have you ever even thought, like, about having fun?

I don't think about having fun. Fun. Fun doesn't appeal to me a whole lot. Like, I know just a little bit strange that way. Partly because probably I went to school at college. Like, I truly believe, like, 90% of people they go through in their life is, like, geared up inside of them during their childhood. Like, the way you're made up and the things that you like and don't like, and the way that you said, like, I just get out of bed and, like, I just do it. Like, that's ingrained into you from, like, parents and, like, the way that you're raised and, like, time to go to bed. It's like, time to wake up. That's usually probably more rigid in your family, I would imagine, when you're. And so those are the type of things that I think about because, like, when I think about fun, like, it doesn't cross my mind, like, I need to have fun today or I didn't have fun. Like it doesn't even cross my brain. But I also realized that from the time of like 13 to 18, when most people are having a lot of fun in their life, I was literally grinding my face into textbooks and like not even thinking about fun. I was like, how did I get an A in this class? And that's all I cared about. And I didn't want to go on the weekend. I just want to get an A. That's all I want, all I cared about. And so, you know, everyone in hindsight usually says they wish they had more fun, right. I don't look back at 13 to 18 like, man, I wish I would have had more fun. I'm thrilled that I got school out of the way so that when I hit 18, I wasn't going to college. I had already figured out I didn't want to be there and proven that like I I good at it and I still don't want it. So I don't know. I think it's just so much of it ingrained when you're as a kid. So for me, I don't think about fun at all. For me, fun is like building things. Very, very. Like if I've always said if I was an entrepreneur I'd probably be like a civil engineer. I love building things. The bad part about civil engineer is you can't like break things, fix it like, oh, that bridge didn't work. Okay, let's do another one. Yeah, that would not be good. I wouldn't be able to handle like the how long that sequence looks like to build and recreate things. But I do like building things. I was the guy that did like Monopoly, tycoon, roller coaster tycoon, mall tycoon. Those were my jam, bro. I didn't know other like, like really like other computer sports games or anything like that. So anyways, long story. I don't think about fun a whole lot. Honestly.

Yeah, I think your idea of building a business is fun though.

True.

I think that is your whether you're thinking about having fun or not, right. You, you're enjoying that process because business is building and breaking and fixing and moving forward. So I think you're having fun subconsciously, if you will.

I think, I think the fun as framed by what society would frame as fun is probably what I'm lacking. But yeah, 100%. I get more quote unquote, enjoyment, fun, fulfillment, whatever you want to call it out of building the businesses and figure out complex issues like today, like the city calling and being like, you're in violation of these codes. And I'm like, oh, sick. I got to figure a way around this and, like, call people and, like, like that. To me, like, even though it's, like, the worst thing ever, like, it ruined my day yesterday.

Figuring out a solution to that somehow over the next few weeks will be super cool, but micro, it's not fun. It's just fulfillment. I think fulfillment is a better word than fun, but for some people, you know, riding go karts or going and playing golf, that is their level of fulfillment. So I think. I think fulfillment's a better word, Better thing to chase after than having fun. Yeah.

I would subscribe myself to the thought, and this is oversimplifying it. Work hard, play hard. But I also love. I. I have the luxury of loving what I do for work and working for you, working with an amazing team and working for all the awesome franchisees. So I get to kind of, like, work, work hard, but I enjoy my hard work, and then I get to play hard as well. So I kind of get both sides. But I. I think for me, if I were to answer this question, not being a business owner, I don't think business is supposed to be fun, but if you can find something that you enjoy or that, you know the cliche of, like, what you're passionate about, and, like, I've never been passionate about lawn care. You've said that openly. Like, you're not that passion. Not either. But we're passionate about small business owners. We're passionate about building better jobs for people, building better families, building better economics and small business across America. Right. So that's fun, you know?

Yeah. Like, I think the thing, too, is if. If you get this really lucky lottery, and when it comes to business and money, if. When you say work hard, play hard, if you work hard, and then what you do to play is build more stuff. Right. So if. If someone gave me a million dollars, I worked hard, I'd just go play hard by starting another business that's bigger.

Yeah.

Right. So, like, now it's like, I've worked hard building Augusta, and now it's like, okay, the mission of Augusta is really big. In order to do that, I can't just do franchising. I've got to do these, you know, vertical integration of all this other stuff. So I take that money. I'm like, okay, let's go play by doing other, bigger things. And so when you have the ability, like, I truly believe Elon just loves engineering. Like, he would do it for free.

Totally.

And he would do it in his sleep and he'd read books about it. It's like Warren Buffett. He read about the market and stocks for fun. And so if you can work hard and then take the result, which is typically financial success, and put that towards your play, instead of like a new speedboat and a new fancy car and you throw that into a business, that's when, like, someone can get rich very quickly monetarily.

Yeah. For.

For my play hard, if you will. My wife and I, you know, we. We have a phrase I've probably never shared. I've probably never shared this. I don't know. She was about to tell some friends. I think you'll find this hopefully funny. We. We have a phrase and we. We talk about, like, our dreams. Like, one thing that my wife says to me, she's not here. She's extremely supportive. She's very supportive. 75 hard, too. So I couldn't do it without her. Just giving her the quick shout out. She's doing, like, a different program, but it's time's really hard for her with school and job and like, the whole nine, so. But she's doing kind of her own version. She does a lot of the, like, walks, jogs with me. So. But one, a phrase that we have is when we talk about our dreams, we dream a lot. Like, you know, it's fun to dream with your spouse, I think, just like, talking about, like, what. What you could do in life and where you could be in 20 years, 30 years, 50 years, whatever. And the phrase that we have is horse money. We say when we have horse money.

Because she likes horses, right?

No, she doesn't like horses. Neither of us like horses. We're using it in the sense you have so much money, you can just buy a horse and just. Just look at it. Like rich people have. Just, like, horses. It's like living art to them. They just have a stable. They pay someone to work the stable. They just have horses.

That's going to be my new store. When you buy a horse, I'm like, lee thinks he made it. He's getting soft. Yeah, dude.

Horse money. It's like you have so much money and you don't know what to do. So you just buy a stable and some horses. Horse money.

That's hilarious. For me, that would be like a private jet. That'd be the equivalent. You can get your horse. I'll get a private jet.

It'll be great. They'll Be banned by then. We're going green, dude. Horses, totally green.

Gotta love it.

People that like are so rich, they just have horses, they don't ride them, they don't groom them. Like they just look at them. I think horses are like majestic creatures.

See for me that like clutter, that's like literally another form of clutter. Like buying things that don't have a utilitarian purpose is like that's what, that's horse money.

I have so much money, I'm just going to buy a horse. Why? Because it's awesome. Yeah, I own a horse.

Yeah, because it's awesome.

Like I just own a horse. Hit me with it.

There it is.

Buying a horse, dude. It'd be awesome. I don't know. Back to the question about having fun in business. Yeah, I want to have fun so I can buy a horse one day and I'm even horse guy. Yeah, I'm going to ride it. Just going to look at it.

We could arrange to take a picture. You could rent the horse.

I want like you do like a ride sharing program, like after school program for kids. You know, horses are expensive and just like, you know, just don't out the money.

Oh yeah.

Now if having fun wasn't necessarily a factor in your success, like you have fun while building, but let's say, you know, you, you admitted like having fun was not necessarily a factor that you thought about that helped lead to your success. Am I, Is that correct?

Yeah.

So what would you say is, what are, are some of the biggest factors to your success, like continued success and I got a couple examples, but you.

Know, well, it's just. How dark do you want to get? Like probably insecurity, probably like.

You know, feeling like you could lose everything, Feeling like you need to be able to give back to your family, like you go really dark on. That's honestly in my opinion, most people that are driven to the point where they make so much money, they don't really need more and they still feel an urge to make more of it. You know, they don't spend it on horse money, but like getting more horses. I think definitely it's a pretty dark side actually if you tear it all back. But.

Like duty and obligation, like I feel very much that way especially because like I feel like I. There was twice in my life specifically where I either died or came close to dying. Like, or I died but like I went, I blacked out when I drowned when I was a kid and then more recently when I was stuck on the truck. So like I Feel very much like I'm always living on borrowed time. That's why, like, I don't treat myself very well when it comes, like, sleeping and stuff. It's like, look, like if I pass out because I'm not sleeping right, like, this is, like, kind of, like, extra. This is like, the extra sauce, you know, so. And that's like, even I was talking. This is a big, big turn. Sorry. Talking to. To service off Plat Co the other day. I'm like, look, it's gonna be tough to compete with me. Like, I don't have anything to lose. I don't feel like I need to be here in 10 years. I don't need to make a bunch of money. Like, it's just gonna be tough to compete with me. And that's just. I like living like that.

And so, yeah, I'm probably driven mostly by things like fear, 100%. I've been pretty honest about this in the past. Like, I'm definitely afraid of being poor. And it didn't matter. It wouldn't matter how much money I have. I would always be afraid of that. Like, I would never be able to buy the horse because I just, like, what if. What if something bad happens? And not just to me, but, like, to my family and then my nephews and. And nieces and all that. Like, I just want. I get a lot of. Not pride, but there's a joy at, like, knowing I get a. Like, I can protect everybody. That sounds, like, so stupid, but, like, I truly believe, like, if you tear back, like, back to, like, when there's hunter gatherers and people lived out in. In the wild, quote unquote. That was the role of the. The. The tribal leader, whether it be family and, like, a husband or whether that be an actual, like, you know, chief of a group or whatever it might be. And I just have a lot of.

Yeah.

Like, every day it's like, dude, I gotta keep going. So I know, like, everyone like, oh, you're gonna burn out. Like, I don't know. I'd rather burn out than rust out. Like, my old. My pastor used to say that. And I was like, yeah, it's mine, dude. I'd rather burn out than rust out. So.

Yeah, I like that.

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Yeah, I would say I'm similar vein for me, it's like I want to make maybe others proud. And not that I care about outside opinions, but, you know, like your family, you know, your parents, obviously my wife, you know, my, you know, hopefully future kids. Right. Like, I want to make people just, you know, proud to say that they know me, that I, you know, that we share a name, whatever it may be.

And I don't have that really. No.

Okay.

I don't have. I don't really care what even they think. I really don't. And I think part of it is because my parents did a really good job raising me and they didn't impress on me too much like, what I needed. They never told me where I should. How I should work.

Yeah.

Or go to school. Like, they're very like, hey, you do your thing. And so like, I really don't care what other people, even close, close family. It doesn't affect me a lot.

But I do care about them a lot. And I want to be like the guy in the behind the scenes that no one sees. And like, I got you. Right. And like, that to me is like a lot of prize. Like, I'm not really there a lot with my family and like, close friends, but, like, if things really hit the fan, I. They're the ones they call me. And I like being that guy. That sounds like super egotistical, but, like, you know, when your house is burning down, you call the fire department. You didn't think about the fire department for a very long time. You might not know anyone in the fire department, but when the house is burned down, you call the fire department. Yeah. And so I like being that guy, the guy that can show up, take care of business, really help somebody. And yeah. Them being proud of me. I don't know.

I think I checked that box. Like, I feel like when I. When I was going through school and everything, they were like, from a materialistic standpoint, like, KU1 as a parent, your kids like, quote unquote, successful, right? So now it's like, okay, that's done. I don't really care about that anymore. Now it's like very much internal. I gotta take care of people. And I think I can beyond just my family and friends and go outside that and hopefully the business community.

Yeah. I think my. My statement of make. Wanting to make others proud of me stems from being a provider as well. Like, I want my wife to be proud of me. And like, one thing that, like, pushes me to, like, work the long days or try a little bit harder or, you know, do one more thing before I clock out is like, I want my wife's life to be easy security. I want our kids life to be, like, set up. Right. And that's where, like, I want to push extra hard so that way she can be proud or my kids can be proud that, like, I worked hard to provide that for them. So as a provider, I think is where my, like, pride comes from.

Yeah. The same way that, like, back in the day, if you're sleeping under, you know, in the woods, you would have been the one that, like, made the fire bigger to make sure there was no predators coming after your kids. Right. Like, you would do that in order for them to feel safe and secure. And so you're just. That motivation is somewhat intrinsic and built into us, I think.

Yeah.

And so see, when. When slash. If one slash. If you get married, though, you're going to care that someone else is proud of you.

That's the box that has checked before I even, you know, go after that.

Right? Yeah.

So I'm not close to it.

Yeah, not close. Give me a time. Give me a time frame.

Time frame. Dude, I think when I'm like 40.

Yeah.

I'll be really ready for like the next generation.

40 and bald.

But see, this is the thing. Yeah, dude, I'll be bald by then. I'll probably shave it all off. But like. Or just have a hair transplant and just, you know. You know.

There you go.

Horse money. Yeah, I like your horses. Put that in my hair.

Hair money.

Hair money.

Horse hair money.

Yeah, horse hair. Oh, man. Yeah, I like 40, I think, because, like, I don't want to be super old, but I also, like, really think that kids that keep you young. And so if I'm 40 and then I have kids that say 45, that means, like, they're graduating and I'm like 65. That sounds appealing, dude.

Really?

Yeah, dude.

Seems kind of old.

I know that's what everyone says, but I kind of like the idea of, like, having younger kids around when I'm older, because otherwise you're old and now you're dealing with your kids that are grown up and their grandkids, which is totally fine.

I'd rather.

I want the grandkids. I'm like 90. Yeah. Keep me young.

So you're just the old, old, old grandpa.

I do just keep running hard.

I respect it.

I don't know, I just feel like, right, we've talked about this before. I just, I would not be able to do what I would feel is required to have a good relationship and do what I'm doing from business. Like, there's no shot in the universe. Like, look at this past week, I would have been divorced 10 times. Like, I'm just saying, like, no one would want to be around me. Like, I get grumpy, I get on edge. I don't sleep very much. Like last night, could not sleep. Like, I literally woke up, just made a video. The video post this morning, 5. I finished around 2 o'.

Clock. Nice.

And so, like, no one's going to handle that.

Yeah.

And I wouldn't want nothing less. It's all I want to do.

Yeah.

Well, that will change. Yeah. And I think it'll be like in 140.

I think by then you'll have, you'll have Jocko money. You can hire. You'll hire. You'll hire Jocko to be your coach because no way. He said he, like, I say it kind of seriously.

Yeah.

Like, he obviously, he's married, he has kids, and he says, like, every business he's built, every book he's written, all this stuff has not cut into his family time. So when he like, writes his books, he writes them in the middle of the night. And then he goes to his job with Echelon, Front and Origin and all his companies that he runs, he does those 9 to 5, and then it's family time in the evenings and then in the middle of the night is when he writes, is when he works on podcasts, is when he does that sort of stuff. So there is, there is an element where, like, if you can find the right partner, that they would probably balance.

What's his goal? Like, what's he trying to do in life?

I don't know. It's a good question. I can ask him. When we have Jocko money, we'll just be right here.

The thing is, like, what if someone is achieved or achieving what they went in life? I think they're at a different stage and that's where I would hopefully get to. Like, you're achieving, you're getting there, right? Like in, in, in 13 years, that's when I'm 40, I feel like I will be achieving the goals that I've been setting out for the past five years to do, not achieved. Because I hopefully never get there, but like achieving like you're. You're getting there and I feel like then you can kind of lay out, like back off a bit. But I, like, I could not do what I'm doing now with family and in my good conscience feel like I could call myself a husband or a father. Like, there'd just be no work, no way. And so I want to succeed at that. Like, I really do want to do well. And I just can't split my attention from like it either. Like, I'd just be. So I just be tough dude. So I don't know, like, maybe that's perfect, you know, Jaku nailed it or whatever. But I don't know, I just, I like the flexibility. I can like, I have two places to live. No one's gonna like that, you know, and meal to do stuff in the middle of night, you know, I could just. I don't know, like, it's just. It's just tough. But I'll figure it out. I'm not like pressured to. I don't feel like I need to right now.

You and when you have kids, I know this is way out in the front. If, slash, when you have kids, you can have a TV in the house.

No, no, not a chance.

Any iPads? Anything?

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I want to be tech literate, but definitely not tv.

Okay.

I don't like. It's just. I don't like something there. Like, I don't have a TV in any of my houses.

Yeah.

You know, phones are one thing. Right. But like, definitely my kids. No, like, hard. No.

When do you think you'd give your kids self? I mean, now we're looking 40 years in the future. It's totally different.

If I was, if I was a Kevin. Kids now, I would say, like, they've got to have a use for it. Right. If they're going to school in a public school system, I would want some sort of communication with them. But my parents are extremely conservative when it came to like me getting. And I'm technologically just fine.

Yeah.

Right. So I didn't get a cell phone till I went to college. Didn't get a Gmail account till I went to college. Went to my first college classroom. Like, you need a Gmail account. Like we need to be able to communicate with you.

I was like, oh, oh.

I had to go get it and like, mom and dad, can I get. I was 13.

Yeah, yeah.

But like, still. And I had like a prepaid 10 phone. It's like 10 cents per text. So it's basically just for my parents until I was. Until I was 18. When I turned 18, I got an iPhone. That's before I went to Africa. They were like, hey, for your 18th birthday, we think you should have some sort of device to go for.

6 iPhones. 5.

5 got stolen when I was in Africa.

Oh, sick, dude. I got an iPhone stolen when I was in Spain.

Yeah, dude, the guy held me down in the bus.

Oh, okay. I didn't get robbed.

Yeah, it was robbed.

Like theft.

Yeah. Yeah. And, like, if you would have came back. Yeah. They were happy that when I got back to the compound, they said, like, good thing you didn't fight back. Because what he did is he pretended that he was railing out the window of the Matatu, which is like a bus in Kenya, and he was pretending like he was yelling out to people, but by doing so, he's leaning over my bag, which I was holding on my. On my. On my chaps, and everyone's, like, packed in this little bus.

Yeah.

And so little did I know, though. He was digging around in my front pocket, and so he grabbed it, and the next bus stop jumped out. I was like, where's that clicked? And so they're like, yeah, if you would have done anything, he would have had a. He would have had his knife right here behind your neck, so.

Yikes.

Yeah, because like, literally that week, they had been. People have been getting hurt and stuff.

Dang.

That's.

I was just. I was just in the water on the beaches of Spain, and I left my phone on the shore.

Dealing with your horse money, dude.

Yeah, I was just out, you know, in Bartha, Barcelona. I was just out there just vibing in the waves. Go back up to my towel, and I'm like, my cell phone's gone. It's wild, so. Oh, dang. All right, well, let's wrap up the pod.

Okay.

Let's do a little not financial advice.

Oh, dude, I always forget.

I have two.

Okay, I can come up with one.

Okay, I have two. One I thought of while recording and one I had beforehand.

Okay, go ahead.

The one I thought while recording, you were talking about college. You start at 13. Why not financial advice? If anyone here is in the high school age demographic, look into running Start.

Yeah, dude, that's a great program.

I didn't take advantage of it. If you don't know what running Start is, talk to your school guidance counselor.

It's only in Washington state, though.

Oh, what? No, there's got to be other programs.

There's different programs. Yes. They're similar, but it's not called Running Start. Washington State is. Is running Start, but multiple states have different programs where you can do your first two years associate degree while doing grade 11, 12. That's what I did. It's fantastic.

Yeah.

So allowed me to knock out. That's why I did 9 and 10 really fast. Skip grade 7, did 9 and 10 one year and then went right into college.

Yeah. If you're like slightly unsure as to what your plans are after, call after high school. Take, take pre. Take college courses in high school.

Great. Non financial.

Yeah.

Look.

Look up whatever your state's program is and do it. I did not do it because I had very stringent plans out of high school. They fell apart like a month before I graduated. Yeah. Save that for a different pod.

Yeah.

And. And I was like, well, I wish I would have done Running Start. I wish I would have had my associates already. So do that.

Okay, so after that, fantastic non financial advice. Here's this very lowly. And that is spinach omelettes.

Oh, yo. Okay.

Yep.

I like where this is going.

So you just need three ingredients.

Okay.

If you have a good frying pan, you don't need oil or butter because that will throw you off. Because I have one every single day. So if you have literally a little thing of butter or oil every day, you're looking at a couple pounds of fat by the end of the year. Like multiple pounds. So try to get a good frying pan. Step number one. Number two, you just need spinach, cheddar cheese. You can do Parmesan if you really.

Want to do a little blend. Yeah, yeah.

You know, Mexican blend. And then an egg. One egg. You can't do two because your cholesterol. For most people cholesterol is gonna be an issue. I don't worry about my cholesterol. But people that are older, they gotta worry about it, right? Fantastic, dude. Every single day. Now here's the thing. The spinach aspect, you can do so much spinach. The heat, it just compresses down with that cheese on top. It gets crunchy and you flip it over and it's a beautiful thing. Like if you don't like greens and salad and veggies, get those bad boy gets a little salt in there. Himalayan salt, by the way.

Yeah, of course. Stuff.

Yep.

100.

Life gets better.

That stuff's good.

Yeah, yeah.

I've been doing for 75 hard. I've been trying to do like for. For convenience sake. A hard boiled egg in the morning too. It's not bad.

75 hard.

Yeah.

Yeah, you can't have it. You can't have a yolk soft, you know? Oh, okay.

All right. Yeah, no, that's good. I like that. Spinach omelets are fire.

Yeah.

Good way to get your greens.

Okay, so we're recording Monday. We gotta go to a manager's meeting now, so.

Yeah.

Gonna go eat some good food.

See ya.

Hey, you know, cheat meal.

I know. I don't know what I'm gonna order. Yikes. See you, guys. Thanks for listening. Let's go.

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