Glen Healy - NHL- Stanley Cup Champion Speaks His Mind!

Mike Hartman, performance mindset strategist. This is Develop the Mindset of a Champion with former Stanley cup champion Mike Hartman.

Welcome to another episode. Today. My guest is Glenn Healey. Glenn is a former National Hockey league player, played 15 years for the Los Angeles Kings, New York Islanders, New York Rangers, Toronto Maple Leafs. I know he was picked up here and there in the expansion draft. Here and there. We don't have to get into that. Glenn was also a TV commentator for Hockey Night in Canada and tsn. So for some of you who don't know what TSN is, it's the ESPN of the United States. Glenn was a former teammate of mine, a great friend. We played on the 1994 team together. Glenn, it's so great to have you here today.

Hardy. Glad to be on board with you. Yeah, that was a complete hockey team that we had back when we erased 54 years of misery in New York. And you were a big part of that. And I can recall the many hot stoves we had with Eddie Olechek and Nick Kyprios. And we would sit around after a good team meal and just destroy each other verbally. It was great.

Yeah, we're going to get into that. And I tell people in corporate America, if you did that, people would be fired. But there was nothing like us. And we're going to get into that. That's one of the things I want to talk about a little bit, how we were just so direct with each other. And the first thing I really want to do is I just want to hear your story, share your story from when you were a young kid growing up in Canada to where you are today. Because you do have a great story, Glenn. So we want to hear it.

Well, I think, you know, when I was 5 years old, I remember three things and nothing more on all 365 days other than these three things. I remember watching the Leafs win the Stanley Cup. I remember going to school my first day in kindergarten and crying the entire time. And I can remember getting a pair of Gordie House skates for Christmas and that first time that I skated. And so my family from Scotland came over after World War II. Really had no idea what hockey was, but my parents recognized that every other Canadian kid is playing. So there has to be some life lessons in this. And there were. We both played and we learned how to be unselfish, how to be a good teammate, how to be disciplined, how to share the puck, how to do all those things that we learned as, as players to take us to the NHL Level. So, you know, my parents put me in it for life lessons and it became my life. It became something that I've always been in and, you know, 16 year NHL career, which was a ton of fun with a lot of great teammates and eventually leading to us winning a Stanley Cup. So not much more complicated than that into the sport just to be one of what Canada is all about up here, which is that is our sport. So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Oh, I like it. I like it. Glenn, you're. You're right to the. Like I said, you're right to the point. Well, one thing, take me back to your college days because you played at Western Michigan, where it's my home state. So tell me a little bit about your college days. How did that happen? Most kids go to major junior from Canada. Well, some go to. Some go to school. There are a lot of players go to Michigan State, Michigan from the Toronto area, from actually all over. From all over. Ontario, Quebec, Western Canada. But how did you end up at Western Michigan?

Well, there it was a bit of a journey in the sense that I was at that age where I was getting recruited by a number of college teams and my parents were insistent on the fact that I should be the first and only Healey that was ever educated. They didn't have that opportunity. Certainly we didn't have the financial wherewithal to send people to school. And ironically enough, a good friend of ours and a coach, Mike Keenan, was recruiting me at the same time to play for the Peterborough Peach, which would have been a major junior team. And as a young kid, he came down to Pickering and we sat in the coach's office and I told him I was not going to go to the. To the ohl. I was going to go the college route and get an education. And it was at that point he told me that I was a loser and I would never accomplish anything in my life. So it is funny how that came full circle. And then here he was coaching me at the National Hockey League level for the New York Rangers. But I do recall the first game that he coached in the NHL in la, if you remember the old forum, the visiting team had to walk by the locker room for the Kings to get to their locker room. And I poached myself and waited outside the locker room. And he walked by and I said, oh, you finally made it, eh, Mike? Congratulations. So that's what I wanted. I wanted to get a degree and it was great. A double major one in marketing, one in finance. And it really took a lot of pressure away from me having to make the NHL, because if I didn't make it, well, you learn, you earned. I was going to get myself into something and get a job where I could have done it for a long time. So it really helped take the pressure off having to make the National Hockey League.

Well, you answered my question. The first thing I was going to ask is, did you guys, when you had that meeting, I said, elise, I'm sure you got along there, but I guess not.

No, that was the start of a failed relationship that was only going to continue. And it wouldn't be the first one that Mike blew up. There were a number of others, but, you know, I wasn't a very good player as a junior. And really, it took me a while, even at the college level to. I wasn't drafted at any league. Hopefully we don't go to war, because that'd probably be the first time I get drafted. But, yeah, I wasn't drafted at any league, whether it was the O, whether it was midget, whether it was junior, never drafted. And then, you know, went into my final year at Western Michigan, just so happened to be playing Bowling Green in the CCHA championship, and Rogue Vachon was there to watch Dave Ellet and Gary Galley. And I had a game which I don't think I've ever had like that before, tons of saves. We won. And Rogge said, sign him. And that gave me my chance. So Rogge was responsible. But even then it was a free agent signing out of college, and that didn't happen very often as well, because back in those days, you could draft as many people as you wanted. The draft could go on for days. You know, 200 plus people taken in the draft, they were drafting people that weren't even on the planet to draft them. And so I never got picked, but I picked the right game to play well in front of a Rogue Vachon and Pat Quinn.

Well, you got to. I know you have to give yourself more credit than that because I played with you. I know what kind of goal you were. I actually scored against you. You know, I had seven shots on net when I was playing for the Sabres in one game and you were playing for the LA Kings. That was a record for me. Don't ask me how I did it. I don't think I've had seven shots on net and five games combined.

But, well, Hardy, you're lucky to get seven shifts. So the seven shots, I mean, you must have been rewarded with the game. Pucker or something like that. But hey, a lot of people scored on me, you know, and you know, I think I, I was the one responsible for Gretzky's records. I'm just saying goals are against me. But you play long enough, everyone's going to get a piece of you.

I tell people nowadays, there's a lot of kids that decide if they want to play junior hockey or they want to go to college. And college is such a great way to develop. It's a great way to grow. As a young man, you don't play as many games, but it's, you're playing against older players, you're getting a great education. And do you feel that's where you prepared yourself for the NHL is at Western Michigan?

Yeah. Because you do get a good chance to grow up. I couldn't imagine at 18 years old I was still in high school. At 18, I was still in high school at 19 because if you recall in Ontario we had grade 13. We actually had another year of high school to prepare you for what's next in life. And so, yeah, going to college at 20, you know, I had cut my teeth and had a pretty good idea of the swagger I needed to get around in the world. But then it gave me another four years to develop and to become the person that I had to be and to mature enough to, to know what it would take to play in the rigors of the NHL. Because as you know, that's a pretty vicious league in the sense that they eat their own. If you don't have a good week, you probably are going to have a better week in the minors or you're going to be somewhere else with another sweater on. So it gave me that chance to mature. It gave me that chance to be more physically fit. At 18 and 19, I still kept some of the Team Canada body fat tests that I had and I look at them and think, wow, you clearly weren't in shape, were you? So it just gave me more time. And that time reflected in me having a better chance to play in the NHL for a longer period of time. Not kind of a one hit wonder, but a chance to have a long career and to Play. I was 40 years old when I retired, so I was long in the tooth and was probably done at 34 and objects in the mirror were closer than they appeared, but I just kept hanging on. And so at 40, I, I was told you are done. And I was happy to say goodbye to a pretty good career.

Yeah, and you did some great things after that. I'M going to get into that in a little bit. But you were, you know, a lot of people say, oh, the 94 team. In fact, this week is 94 weeks. So I turned the TV on and I, you know, I get to see myself that, that event we had right after the, the ceremony we had with, with everybody up on stage, that was a lot of fun. But just to go back, people really don't understand, like the little intrinsic things that happen with the team. Like, you were a therapist to some of us and I was one of those guys that you were a therapist to, which was great because we had the team psychologists and back in those days, you're a little nervous to go to the team psychologist because what they might say to the management, but yet you trust them. They were great. But I knew going to you, you were going to help me. So you were one of those guys that a lot of us went to.

Well, our team psychologist, let's call a spade a shovel. He was basically a rat for Mike Keenan. So whatever you told him, he's going right to the coach. So hardy you were right not to open up the can of worms, so to speak. I certainly wasn't a show for Mike and wasn't a rat for him. And so, yeah, there were challenges. The one thing that Mike did well was he pushed every player to the limit. And everybody has a different limit. There are certain people that, you know, you're sitting on the bench and he's kicking you the back of the pants and you just, you put up with it all year long. You're kind of like a beaten dog that just is used to it. And then there's other people that you give them a dirty look, that's enough to cripple them and to send them into a different state of mind. So, you know, as a team, we had to stick together. We had incredible leadership, we had incredible talent. Don't dare take a penalty against us. The Zuboff and Leech would destroy you. We had a great Russian contingent and they were new to this culture, this country, and so we had to work with them and everybody stuck together. And I was asked by the Rangers in 94 week to describe the team in one word. And I would look at the team and say it was complete. Complete would be my word. There was nothing missing from that hockey club. And if it was Eddie O doing the stretch, and that meant a lot to us, so much so we put that heave ho on our Stanley cup ring. If it was Benny Patrese, who is 90 years old and was picking up towels in the locker room. Mark Messier knew that meant a lot to the New York Rangers. He hadn't seen a championship in 54 years and had watched three generations of misery go through that locker room and no championship team. He meant a lot to us. Or if in some way I was a psychologist to help us through the rocky moments, I was happy to do that. But the team was complete. There was nothing missing from that group that would set us back. And it hasn't been done in 26 years in winning a Stanley Cup. And before we got there, Hardy, it hadn't happened in 54. So one cup and what we're clicking in on 90 years now. I'm proud of the group that. That put this all together with a ton of pressure. The city wanted a championship, and we were part of the group that delivered.

Well, I was fortunate to be there. I did have an injury that I was out, but I was sitting out a lot. Like, I played 35 games that year, and when I played, I was always on. On edge because if I made one mistake, you know, I was done. And that's just the way it was. That's how Mike. That's how he had to motivate, like, guys like myself. He said, hey, one mistake, you're out of the lineup. And even if you look like you're going to make a mistake, it's still your fault. You're going to be out of the lineup. But so for you, like, what was your mindset going in? Because I remember the game on Long Island. In fact, I dressed, we played the island, and I know Mike called me in the morning, and he said, mike, you're gonna play. Where we came in, we stayed at the hotel. I think we flew in the night before because we were on the road and we played against the Islanders. He says, mike, you're gonna play, but you're not gonna play. Be ready to play because Adam Graves is hurt. So don't plan on playing. Come for warmups because you're not playing. I think you're gonna play, but you're not gonna play. And I just looked at Nick Kyprios. We just laughed. And those are some of the things I had to deal with that night. I think you got pulled two or three times. I can't remember. But how? Because you were so mentally strong. So people say, oh, mindset. I mean, you had that mindset that nothing was going to bother you. How did you do that?

Well, you know, you bring up a couple good stories, and I'll Just expound on your story. And Nick Kyprios, I recall one game he started, you know, and Kipper was like us, you know, we would go months without games. And his first shift, he rocked a guy in the corner, he had a shot on net, he hit another guy with a great forecheck on the other side of the ice, and then he got in front of the net and he scored a goal. Within 20 seconds of a game, he's got two big hits, a great forecheck, and a goal and a shot. Okay, never played another shift. And at the end of the game, Kipper went to Mike and said, like, what's the deal here? I mean, that was a pretty good shift. He goes, I can't get anything better out of you than that. So that's the best you got. So it's all down here, downhill from here. So we never played again. Yeah, I do remember that. The game in Long island. And basically we had. We had about 16 game winning streak against the Rangers when I was with the Islanders. And, you know, I recall when I signed with the Rangers, the big word was, okay, you know what, the streak is over. Because the guy who was, was responsible for some of that streak in that for the Islanders now plays for the Rangers. And he didn't play me a single game in, in Long Island. Every game, it was Ricky. And then they actually did a commercial one time where they asked the coaches to fill out on a piece of paper who was to play the last game in Long Island. And they were our first round suitors. So we wanted to win a game in that building. And all of them, Dick Todd, Colin Campbell, Mike Keenan, Healy, Healy, Healy. And Mike looked and said, that's right. It's unanimous. Richter plays. Okay, so sure enough, Ricky had a rough first period. They put me in, I made a mistake late in the second, and he pulled me. And as I was making my way back to the bench. There's not a lot I can tell you on this podcast. Unless we want.

We don't swear on this podcast. We can't swear on this podcast.

Okay, so this is pg, but the cameras in Long island happened to be across from the bench. And so me not recognizing that moment, pretty much everything I had to say, including what color tie he was wearing, was picked up by the cameras. And it wasn't pretty and legendary. And I didn't stop. So I think there was three or minutes left to go in the period. And I kept that on the entire period. Probably the first meltdown that I had towards the end of the year. But it was. It was vintage, that's for sure. But you know what? At the end of the day, I don't play for a coach. I play for the guy beside me that I dress in the locker room with. And so all through that season, I wasn't playing for anything more than the 25 guys that were part of our group. And those are the guys that I had to answer to. Not a coach, not a general manager, but together as a team, that's for sure.

A lot of what we do is motivation and mindset. So, you know, the one story I had is I was playing. We were playing in Madison Square Garden, and I took the puck. Puck came around the boards, and I should have banked it off, but I flipped it up really high in the air. It went to their defenseman. I think we were playing Chicago. Their defenseman knocks it down, dumps it in. We change. Five minutes later, they score. Mike runs down the bench at me and bangs on my shoulder. That's your fault. That's your fault. That's your fault. That's your fault. He said it like 20 times in my ear. You're done. You'll never play a game in a New York Ranger jersey again. So I said, oh, no, I'm done. I'm starting to get nervous. And a guy like you would laugh.

You.

You would look at me on the bench with the hands and say, just. Just relax. He's. Yeah, I'm getting a little. Because I'm a nervous type guy. That's just my personality. I take things personal sometimes. So the funny thing is, you know, so I'm on the bench, and he says, okay, next shift is Kosar and Hudson, you're up. Well, that's my line. Sometimes he'll say something. I'm not sure if he means it. So I stands up and he grabs me and he says, sit down. So. So now. Now I'm sitting down. Okay, so there's one minute left in the game. And, you know, listen, I never played the last minute of the game for the New York Rangers. Even for the Buffalo Sabres. I've played the last three minutes. But they're not going to have Joey Kosar, Mike Hudson and Mike Hartman out the last minute of the game. Well, he does something funny. Well, actually, during the game, he called. He says, hudson. He says, hudson, you're up with Kosar and Mike Gartman. So I looked at Mike Gartner and I said, is that you or me? And Gartner went, so then there's one minute left. In the game we came back, we're winning 43 and Hudson and Kosar on the ice and no one's out there. We're short a guy and he's yelling at me, get out there, get out there. So I don't play all night. So my point is with Mike is you always had a beat. He always had you on your toes. And I tell people in corporate America, you have no idea what it's really like to work for a boss that's on you every second and doesn't miss a beat.

Well, that's the success business that you call the NHL. And you know, I recall when we had Todd Marchand finished with the Olympics and he came to the New York Rangers and I looked at him in the locker room, I thought, wow, a fan has won a contest and he gets to meet the Rangers because he was just a scrawny, skinny little kid, had a long career at Edmonton. And he dressed that night. He had one shift and it was his first NHL shift. And if you recall your first NHL, NHL shift, it probably was about 15 seconds long because you were, didn't want to make a mistake and were pretty excited and get on and get off and keep it simple. And he didn't play for another two hours. And then finally Mike whispered in his ear, all right, Mr. Olympian, you got one more shot or you're finished with this team. That's not exactly fairness in a lot of ways, but yeah, the NHL could be a vicious league, it could be a rewarding league, but what goes on between your ears, what your soul is all about, it defines a lot of whether you can make the cut. And so for a lot of us, we found a way to make the cut. And for an exceptional group of us, we found a way to make the cut and win a championship and win a Stanley cup. And, and when we go to the hall of Fame, Hardy, your name's on the cup and it'll be there forever. And my family name's on the cup and it'll be there forever. And a lot of it. I'm so proud of the last name being on the Cup. It doesn't have our first name, just our last. Because our family had to sacrifice so much for us to get to where we had to get to to win a championship. And fortunately for us, we put it all together in a nine month window.

What people say that? Oh, do you miss the game? Well, I love playing hockey. I mean, it was, it was great. But I missed the guys, especially in 94, because everybody was fighting for you. I remember I had a little episode on the ice one night. I got. It was in practice, I got a little frustrated. I broke my stick and you were there and kosher and mess and gravy and everybody's there for you. And I don't say anything bad about Mike Keenan. I enjoy Mike Keenan today. I've had some really good conversations with Mike the last. Actually the last couple years. And I just. Everybody has a different way of getting through to people. And I want to share this story because I know you're a little bit of a history buff. I remember. And this is how direct we have to be. We're talking about being direct. So a lot of this podcast is around stories to develop the mindset of a champion. And it's about being loose, being direct, being real. And I remember we were playing in Washington and I was dressing that night and you asked me to go to the Holocaust Museum because I know you're a bit of a history buff. Do you remember that time we were.

Yep.

And I were sitting at the table and I said, no, no, Glenn, I'm not going to go. And you said, why? It should mean a lot. I'd love to go with you. And I said, you know, I'm. I have to be back for my two o' clock nap. And you said, listen, you're only going to play, luckily, you'll play six minutes tonight if, if all goes great and we have an eight goal lead, but you're not going to play much. And I ended up not going. To this day, I regret not going to them. I ended up going later in my life. But it was funny how you look back and you could think of stories that just can make you laugh. And if you can't laugh and if you can't take a joke, I think you'll be one. I think that's the point here. Which was going back to some really great memories.

Well, you know, in Washington, if you recall, December 23rd of that year.

We.

Were told, everybody is on the bus at 10 in the morning. No one goes to the rink early. We get on the bus, okay? We have no idea what we're in for. And we, everyone to a man, trainers, coaches, we went to the memorial, the monument for Vietnam and World War II in Washington, and spent a couple hours just kind of looking at some of the names and some of the history and the sacrifice that those gentlemen had given us. And then we went out in Washington, won one nothing and probably played one of the best games of the year. So that, that Morning. That moment motivated us to the point where we said goodbye to Washington and we used to get the, our bonus money for games when we had shutouts and wins. And that night in Washington, a one nothing win was, was a big KA Ching for us in a lot of ways, but it motivated us. And yeah, that day at the Holocaust Museum, I mean to actually look at Schindler's original list of the people and the families that he had saved and what that led to with a legacy of a bunch of, you know, other children that were born and their children and just to me it was, it was moving, important and perspective and it put everything in perspective that day. So hardy, you still would have got the same number of shifts even if it was a 9 nothing lead. It wasn't going to change with Mike. So. But I wish you would have come, but I'm glad you did make your way to the exhibit anyways because it's important now.

It really was. But some of the great memories that I'll never forget, some of the things that not just fans but people don't understand. It's a long year and you can't take it serious. I remember I was in Calgary and we just landed and it was a day before a game and I was one of those guys that I didn't even want to put an ice cream in my body because I was that healthy. And looking back at it, I said, like, what was wrong with me? There was something, something loose upstairs for me not to, to want to do that. And then we had that time off. We didn't have a team meal planned. And Steve Larmor said, hey, do you want to go for Chinese food? I said, Chinese food a night before a game, that will sit in my stomach. And this guy played more games. He had the record for games playing in a row until he came to us and he, he took off on his own will because he was negotiating a contract. Most consecutive games. Easiest going guy I've ever played with. And I thought over the years and I said, and I said, really? Chinese food? He says, well, hey, on a day of the game, I'll make a grilled cheese sandwich. I don't care. So then I learned later in life, you know what? Don't take things so serious. And I wish I would have done that when I played.

Well, everyone has their rhythm, they have their routine. And Steve was 98.6. He never got any higher in body temperature, any lower. He probably played an entire season, him and Greg Gilbert, without me ever remembering them making a mistake. So if you can play an entire year without making a mistake, you're going to have a long career. But Larams just let everything kind of roll off his shoulders. And that's part of the reason so many of the guys on that 94 team had played for Mike before. Mike knew that you could play for, because there were guys that just couldn't. The. Just. The routine was just too, too difficult. And so a lot of guys like a Matt Toe and Brian Noonan and those guys had. They were used to the routine, and it wasn't going to phase them in any way. But. But, yeah, we all have our routines. We all have our superstitions. And, you know, that was the one thing about playing with. With Gretzky I wanted to see, because I had a number of them I wanted to see, did the greatest player of all time have superstitions? And he did. And you could pick them up pretty quick. But, you know, if he has them, then certainly it's right for you to have yours and maybe not go for Chinese food the day before a game. But we all had our little idiosyncrasies that we thought made us. Made us work, made us tick.

Absolutely. So tell me a little bit about the broadcasting life, because I turned the TV on. There you are on Hockey Night in Canada, and you're amazing behind the bench. So share your.

Your.

Your experience in the broadcast area.

Well, it was right after I retired. I got bought out. I had two years left on my contract, and it was the day of our anniversary on a Saturday, the day of buyout day. Everyone knows what day that is. And a courier pulls up, and I'm like, oh, I wonder what this is. Well, I kind of know what it is. It's a buyout. And so word hit the street, and Hockey Night in Canada called and said, would you like to try broadcasting? And I said, I'll try it, but if I stink, I'm going to quit pretty quick. And the very first game I did was with the great Don Whitman. And we're in the booth and, you know, I'm watching the ceremony on the ice, and he looked at me, pushed his mute button. He said, hey, dummy, put your helmet on. Put your can on. Canada can't hear you unless you put that on. Oh, okay. So the very first whistle, they, if you recall, they used to throw up the lines, right? And you would have messier, you would have, you know, curry, you'd have taken in whatever it may be. And. And so I ended up. I got the phone in the background Ringing. So just. That's right. But the lines came up, and I said, well, that was a waste of time, Canada, so just wait for the next whistle. And we're going to waste some more time because the other team's lines are coming up. And right away I get a call from the producer saying, you can't say that. Well, they didn't put the lines up the rest of the year, so it seemed to work. But, you know, there's no one to give you any advice on how to. How to do it, how to work it. There's very few jobs. And for me to get a chance to work with Bob Cole and Don Whitman and some of the greats in the game and to be the show of record with Hockey Night Canada was a privilege and an honor.

Well, tell us about now, because you're doing so much for the NHL Alumni Association. Share a little bit about what you're doing there. Because. Because you help out so many in so many different ways.

Well, it's pretty easy. I mean, our mission statement is honor the past. And so we all know who the past is and are, and so we honor them. And what my job is pretty simple with our staff, is to make tomorrow better than today. And that comes in many ways. You know, all players retire, and we have that in common. No matter if you're Sidney Crosby or Mike Hartman or Glenn Healey or Connor McDavid, you're going to retire. And all players transition, not all transition the right way. So we're there to pick up the pieces, make sure no one falls through the crack. To play a game in the NHL is a privilege, and we are a pretty unique group of people that deserve to have a good finish line. Kind of like Usain Bolt, crossing the line with no one behind him. We deserve that. And so it's our role at the alumni to make sure everybody finishes strong. And if we can do that with all of our 3,800 players that have played one game in the NHL and are alive, then we've done our job.

Yeah, but I don't. That served justice because I don't want to say names, but you have put your neck on the line for so many people you've gone to. To visit players, because a lot of players, when they're done, they have this identity crisis. When they're done, they're lost, they're stuck. They're used to being an athlete. And do you find that with certain guys that sometimes that as soon as that day's over. Now what?

Yeah. I think your dream from mine at 5, was to play in the NHL. You accomplish that, you, you, you make the big league, so to speak. Some are there for a cup of coffee, some are there for a pot of coffee. And you, you do need, though, from 30 to dead, if that's when you retire, you need purpose. You need something where your feet hit the ground every day and you're loving what you do. Now. The hard part is what is that you will love, that you want to do, because all you've ever known is I can play hockey. The average age of an NHL player today is 23 and a half. And so when you're 24, you're closer to being an alumni than you are to being a current player. And they're going to retire earlier. That's just the way the cap works with a lot of teams and players. And then they have to find that purpose, that, that something that drives you every day. And for a lot of guys, it's pretty simple. They, they know what, what, what they want. And the, the hard part is putting that sweater down and saying, okay, I'm not a player anymore. Now I'm going to be a salesman. I'm going to. Whatever I'm going to do, I'm going to do it just the way I did when I played on the ice. So take all those on ice skills, the hard work, the discipline, and carry them off the ice to become a complete player. So that's, that's the, the hard part for players, finding that purpose. And some get it right away, and some, you know, into their 40s and 50s, still haven't found what they love to do best, because there is no better job than being a National Hockey League player.

And I have to agree with you and Glenn, thank you so much. Thank, thanks for the Players association, for all the tools that they, that they offer us as well, because you're always a big help. You're an amazing guy. I just want to ask you one more question. Please tell everybody like, you play the bagpipes. Can you teach me how to play or is there any chance of that?

No, no. It requires that thing that, like, you have this birth defect. Hardy. It's called no skill, and it requires skill to, to play them. Actually, you know what? It's, it's been a great second part of my career, so to speak. You know, a chance to play with Paul McCartney on stage playing Mullicintire. A chance to play at Carnegie hall where we all were wearing ranger sweaters for 9, 11. A chance to play at Vimy Ridge for the Queen. A chance to play at the D day beaches like, it has led to so many different things in my world that I probably would never have had in hockey, but got a chance to do it with a second team, which would be, you know, a band, a bagpipe band with guitars and drum kit, and it's about 50 strong, and you never have a problem finding someone to mess about with. So it's been a real good part of my career. But clearly you're not suited for the instrument, and so just keep playing guitar, keep playing those five chords, and keep singing hallelujah or whatever. You're in the locker room.

Well, I'll leave this with you. In fourth grade, my teacher looked at me really funny. I had a hard time playing the violin, so I'll have to agree with you. Hey, Glenn, thank you so much for being here. It's always great to catch up. Everybody greatly appreciates you being on and looking forward to talking again soon. Thanks so much, Glenn.

Anytime, Hardy. You're a great teammate. Keep it up, all right? Thanks, pal. Stay safe.