Heather Moyse 2x Olympic Gold Medalist Shares Having Fun!

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Welcome to another episode. Today my guest is Heather Moyes. But before I start, you have to look in the dictionary and look at the definition of athlete. And I already did. It says a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical activity. Heather, it's so great to have you on the show and people are going to really love to learn more about you.

Well, it's great. Thanks for having me. This is awesome.

Well, besides being a great athlete, besides all your accomplishments and the Olympics and things like that, you're also a really nice person, friendly person. But why don't you share a little bit about your story with everybody, a little bit about who you are, your background, and then we love to get into it a little bit deeper.

Oh my goodness, Mike sharing background that could go on forever. I grew up in a really small place, Prince Edward Island. So that's the smallest property province in Canada on the east coast, like in the Atlantic, you know, Atlantic side. And it was really only accessible by plane or by a 13 kilometer bridge. Well, that's what is accessible now. When I was growing up, it was actually a boat, 45 minute ferry ride. So I didn't grow up with, you know, Olympians around me or people training to go to the Olympics. And I always considered Olympians to be TV people, you know, not everyday normal people like I considered myself to be. So right sports for me, I considered to be extracurricular to what I was going to do to earn a living. So I didn't, I loved them. I, you know, I did really well in them, but of course we were, that was in a small pond, you know, how good do you think you really are in the, in the big scheme of things? And so I pursued a career and a master's degree in occupational therapy. And I just played sports for fun, even at university. You know, I didn't start actually taking sports seriously and training or lifting weights until I was 27. And when I was 27, I was suddenly faced with this challenge of seeing if I could learn a new sport and learn to do it well and learn to do it well in time to compete in the next Olympic Games, which were less than five months away. So for Me, it was this, it was bobsledding. And, you know, I was being recruited. I had turned them down before. But then four years later, the recruiter found me again and I was like, oh my gosh, I'll just, okay, I'll just go to the testing. Like I'm not really going to do this, but I'll, you know, I'll just do the testing camp. And I ended up breaking one of their testing records. And all of a sudden it was like, wow, I wonder if I can do this. Can I, can I actually learn a new sport in time to represent my country? And so I fell in love with the challenge. I didn't fall in love with the sport because I hadn't even done the sport yet. I hadn't been down a track, I hadn't even seen a bobsled in real life. But I fell in love with that challenge. And I realized that that's what fuels me. You know, things that people think are implausible or unlikely, even if they're highly unlikely. I like, you know, proving people wrong or proving that if we push ourselves and if you, you know, are striving for the possibilities because there are no guarantees in anything, then it's, then you. That's the only time you can actually discover what you're truly capable of. So, so yeah, it's been a crazy journey.

Well, I think that's, that's, that's crazy. Yeah, you have a crazy story because I know how hard it is to be a, let's say a junior hockey player to make it out of your junior league. So you play junior hockey and you either play major junior A, which you lose your college eligibility, which, which I did. I put all my eggs in one basket. Sometimes that's a tough thing to do and that basket breaks, you're in trouble. But then being a college athlete, people think, oh, I'm going to get a scholarship. Well, my kids went to a private school here in Charlotte. I used to talk to the parents being involved with USA Hockey and I helped out the women's Olympic team at one time. And I know how hard it is to get a scholarship. So it's very tough to get a college scholarship because they take athletes from Canada now all over Europe. And if you play for Michigan, they have a handful of Michigan players, let's just say for hockey. But for you, you are a three time national athlete, four time Olympian, two gold medalists, besides your background as a therapist. And you did it in different sports. So I know you mentioned they call it bobsledder Right. Is that what it's called? Bobsledding?

Bobsledding, yeah. Well, it depends. Bobsleigh, bobsled. It just depends on what country you're in. So it doesn't matter.

Now, I don't want to take it all away, but I'm just going to throw these quick out. So you played rugby, which I. Which I used to watch on tv and I still can't figure it out completely in track and you're an intercollegiate level player. It's so hard to do it in one sport. Please help me out. Share with me how did you do it? How did you do that? I mean, it's crazy.

Yeah. In university I was varsity in soccer, track and field and rugby. And that was really just timing. So my first two years I played soccer in the fall, you know, when you get to school. I played soccer for my first two years and then did track and field as a sprinter all winter. And then my last two years, it was the summer between my second and third year university that someone asked if I could just sub in to play a turn, a rugby tournament. And I just went and helped them out. I hadn't played rugby in a couple years, since high school, so I just said, okay, well, I'll help if I can. And as soon as my hands got on the rugby ball, I realized how much I miss rugby. So when I got back to university, I switched and I played rugby for the next two years and still did track and field, you know, in the winter. But rugby, I played rugby. Just like rugby is probably my biggest passion in terms of sports. It's so. It's just, it's because it's beyond Anybody who's played rugby knows that it's beyond just the sport. It's a, It's a community. It's a culture on its own. You could go anywhere in the world and find a club team and they'll embrace you. It's not, I think it's. They just, they love it so much that they want everyone else to love it too. And it's just such a great. I don't know, it's such a great sport. And so. But at this point, I didn't even know we had a national team. So I mean, we, I. Towards the end, I think I played in provincial, like in a national tournament. And after the tournament, someone approached me and said the. They sat our whole team down and said, we just want to congratulate Heather Moyes. You've been long listed, like you've been added to the Canadian long list. And I was like, what did? Like, long list for what? And they said, for the national women's rugby team. And I was like, oh, my gosh, we have a national women's rugby team. Like, I mean, now. Now people, you know, you kind of work and work and work and work at something to get to the next level. But my whole life until kind of this Olympics and, you know, all that stuff, I had just. Always just played or competed just because of the pure enjoyment of it. I was never trying to get to another level, which is a little bit. I guess it's a little bit uncanny when you kind of think about it. But all of a sudden I was named this long list, like, on this rugby team, and then had to go to tryouts. And I played for the. The first time. They had a kind of an age division, so it was the U21 or U23, U23s, I guess. And I played. And then after that, I went and lived in Ireland for a little bit and played rugby there, and then came back and lived in Trinidad for a few years, and I coached rugby down in Trinidad. And then when I came back, I just started playing club rugby with my sister for fun, because she was saying how great would it be to play us together and on the same team. So I started playing, and by the end of that summer, I. From spring to some, like, to the end of the summer, I was suddenly on the national senior women's rugby team going to my first tour to England that fall. So, I mean, it happened really fast. And I. Again, at that point, I still hadn't lifted weights before, but bobsledding came the next year. And so for all of the years that I was competing, it was kind of going between rugby and bobsledding, and I would miss some rugby tours and then have to, you know, go to the tryout still and prove myself all over again and then come back and go on another rugby tour and then take a winter off when I was on the bobsled tour. And then there's some years where I just didn't do bobsledding at all. You know, they call me. Some of the guys on the team call me. What do they call me? The Batman for bobsledding. They say they. They put up a bat signal, you know, when it's approaching an Olympic season, because they, you know, they need a break and they need a fast break. And then I come in just the year of the Olympics and kind of help them out as a team. But it's so. It's. It's I don't know, it's been a bit of a strange journey, but it's been remarkable for me because I started so late because I only started taking sports seriously at 27. I was able to come in it with a different perspective and that has enabled me. And also, you know, my training as an occupational therapist just to help people shift perspectives, especially parents who are coaching kids or who are just, you know, parenting, but their kids are in sports or things in terms of choices and decisions. And you know, I made some pretty unorthodox decisions throughout that kind of elite sporting period. I guess partly because at that point I was a little clearer on my values and what my priorities were. And so I wasn't as kind of sucked into what everyone else was doing. And so I ended up doing things a little bit more my way and I was okay with if those didn't work, you know, if it doesn't work and I don't make the team, I'm okay. Because right now I know that I'm doing what I need to be doing for me, for my life. Like, I'm not pressured into, I don't need to go to a fourth Olympic Games, I don't need to win a third Olympic medal. So my last Olympic Games, for example, I went back only to push a rookie, only to push someone who had never been to the Olympic Games before. So yeah, I mean, it's just, I didn't need, I don't need a third medal. I don't need to. I feel like I don't need to prove anything anymore and either to myself or to someone else. And it was a different challenge for me when they asked me to come back. My former teammate asked me and I said no. And then the coaches asked me and I said no, I'm good. I love my business right now, empowering other people. And then all of a sudden a rookie sent me a message saying that there was a lack of leadership in the program and that it's all about mindset. And she's worried about not being able to. And I was like, oh gosh, she's tapping into, she's tapping into what I'm doing right now.

Yeah, now I'm going to learn more about that. I'm going to talk more about that, but I'm just going to say, well, okay, so I'm just going to play in two Olympics, but that's, that's fine. But I'll just be a two time Olympic athlete and just have fun and start at 27. But I know you, I Do know deep down, I know you worked hard. But for. Here's what I could tell you. I could just by listening to you. And this is the. The hardest challenge I have with parents. Well, the first challenge is I want my kid to get a scholarship and you have to train. To you, it was fun. Unless I'm speaking, it was. This is what you love to do. This was your passion. And I always would tell parents that I believe you should play multiple sports. My father had me playing baseball in Detroit, and then I. Then I played hockey, so my father would. Then I played soccer, and I tried to play basketball, but I was the worst basketball player and I didn't even know the positions. Well, then I played flag football when I was about 12 years old. But my father said, I want you to play multiple sports. And the reason is. And you're a product of that because you played multiple sports, but you had fun with it and you took it to a level that's beyond anyone's dream. And let's talk about the medal at Vancouver. Was that your first gold medal?

That was the first gold medal. My second games. So my very first games, the, like, five months after I started, my teammate and I ended up placing fourth. So we missed standing on the podium. So the whole distance, when you accumulate five runs of track, at that particular track, it was about 5.7 kilometers or 3.54 miles. So that's total. The total, you know, distance. And we missed standing on the podium by five hundredths of a second. So that fourth place is what fueled me to go back to try and stand on the podium and win a medal for my country. So that's what brought me back to Vancouver. And that was the first. That was the first medal we won. Yeah.

And that's. Wow, that says a lot. So you have that medal and it's like sometimes an athlete. I heard what you said, that, well, you don't really want to do it anymore. But then I know you win another medal, but sometimes it's when you have that first one, you want that second one so much more. And did you feel that when you.

No, I didn't actually. I feel like they, like, again, I went back and I. After, you know, after Vancouver, I went and was playing in the Rugby World cup and probably the best tournament of my life, but I destroyed my ankle in the very last game. And so that kind of meant I was out for the next year bobsledding. Like, I was rehabbing big time. And then I just wasn't sure. Like, I was just like I, like, sports was never my whole life. I just happened to be good at it. And so I, you know, I was thinking about occupational therapy. I was doing. Starting to do some motivational speaking and, you know, getting into a little bit of coaching, and. And I just. I. I was enjoying that. And so right before Sochi, two, I guess two seasons before, like, the year before Sochi, they asked if I would go back just to try and defend it. And I was like, you know what? It's only ever happened once by, like, by one Canadian athlete in any sport before. So how cool would that be, just to defend it? Because often defending it is harder than winning in the first place. Right? It's a different kind of pressure. So that was the challenge. And so I agreed to go back and, you know, help the team and do all that stuff just because they were, you know, noticing that there wasn't a lot of depth in the program. And so I was like, okay, you know, I'll come back. But a month into training, so I hadn't done any running for a year and a half. That's when I did cycling instead. So no impact on my ankle. That's when I did track cycling, just to kind of help rehab, like, to help keep up power while I was having no impact on my ankle. And then when I went back to bobsledding, a month in, I got a pain in my right hip, and I found out I needed hip surgery. So, you know, there's a lot of people who wrote me off, including, you know, some of the drivers on the team and all that stuff. But the day after my surgery, I announced, like, a press release went out across the country announcing my intentions of the following year, like, six months later being at the Rugby Sevens World cup, and nine months later qualifying for the. For the Sochi Olympics. So that those were my goals, and they were put out there across the country. And I was just like, okay, well, it's either going to happen or it's not, but let's go. So those were my goals, and that's what happened. And so that was the challenge. So Sochi, in and of itself, there was the team challenge of seeing if we could successfully defend our medals. But it was also, for me, the personal challenge of overcoming that hip surgery, recovering from that in time and well enough to be able to compete there in the first place. And that's when you have a lot of naysayers and, you know, those disbelievers and the people who kind of, you know, don't give you really that time. Of day because they're not. They're like, well, why invest in you? You know, it's not like. It's not like you're going to be competing. And those are the people I love proving wrong. So it's. Yeah, that was a different kind of challenge for those games.

Well, you've done a lot. We're going to talk. So a lot of this, we talk about stories. You know, everyone has a story, and they're the backstory, and every good story has a struggle. So we're going to talk a little bit about some of the struggles in a second. But. And then we talk about mindset. So you had the mindset because you went in there and you didn't put a lot of pressure on yourself, and you knew when to stop. And then a champion is not just winning an Olympic gold medal or an NBA championship or a Stanley cup, but it's a champion at heart. And you have done all that. So this, you know, our podcast usually will bring somebody on that has a really good story. I will bring some champions on and some of players that won championships. And we talk about mindset. Now you have all three. This is why I was so excited to do this. And I know you're modest. You're. You're one of the only Canadians ever to be inducted into the. The Rugby hall of Fame. And I know we're going to downplay it, but we really want to get into some of the struggles that you had and challenges that you came across as an athlete. And how do you deal with things like that today and how do you teach that in your own practice? I want to learn more about that.

Yeah. So I think that for me, a word I use a lot is perspective. Like, a lot. So there's. When you put things in perspective, it's, you know, it's kind of like, okay, it's going to happen, or it's not. Like, it's not. The world is not going to crumble if I don't make this team. My family now, fortunately for me, not everybody has this. I guess I call it an advantage. But not everybody has a supportive family in the way that, I mean, where they feel no pressure from their family whatsoever. So that, I think, was a huge blessing for me. And it's something that I try and, you know, if I'm working with parents or working with a, you know, an athlete or whatever, I get questions all the time from parents about stuff. And you can almost tell by how the questions are worded, I can already feel what their. What their Kid is feeling like. I like. Well, some parents, for example, think that they're being supportive by paying a lot of money for a private tutor or for a private, like, coach session and all of this stuff. And do you really think that that child is going to feel comfortable telling you that they don't actually even enjoy it anymore if you keep talking about how much money they've put into it or how much, you know, all of that stuff? If you keep telling them, like, you know, you can stop anytime. If you want to take a break, then take a break. If you realize you want to do something else, do something else. Like, I think kids need to know that it's okay to not do it anymore because sometimes, even if they're still doing it, and they may still love it, but they don't actually know if they're doing it for them anymore or whether they're doing it for their parents. And I think that's a big. That's a really big thing. And for me, my parents could have. My. My parents are the most supportive parents in the world, but they could care less if I played sports. Like, they, you know, we didn't grow up watching sports even. So.

Oh, boy. That's funny. I don't even. I'm not even going to interrupt. But you need to work with every high school athletic director. And I'm going to get into that in a second. You have to work with. I mean, and you're. And you're going on my hartman.academy. i don't even bring that up on this show. You're going to be on there because I love everything you stand for. And I have two kids. So, you know, my son lived with me full time and, you know, for. For just reasons. Not because he didn't like his mom, but just he wanted to live with his dad. We'll leave it at that. And my daughter is. My daughter was very independent, and they, they had to play a sport at school. And my son said, dad, I don't love sports. I said, listen, just have fun. You have to play. Yeah, but you played hockey, Dad. I don't care if you want to be a guitarist, if you want to, you know, do different things. So now, like, my kids are not into sports. My, My. I took my daughter to Madison Square Garden and she says, wow, dad, I didn't know you did this. And my son said, this is fun, dad, but how many quarters are there in hockey? I said, chase, there's three periods. So we didn't watch sports. We didn't talk about It. And sometimes the teachers would tell him, oh, I watched your dad play in New York and my son. It just wasn't important. And we didn't. I never wanted to put pressure my kids. And you are so right. If the parents could please understand that they're going to quit. And that's why you are so good at what you do. Because I know how good you are even in your not only being an Olympic athlete and what it took. Because people can listen to you and you're so composed and I'm. If you listen to your voice and sometimes you listen to people and there's a lot of eyes and people, but you're not. I. I have to pull things out of you. And that's why I love that you're in the coaching business and speaking business, because it just. It helps. So what drives you to get up every day? Like, what excites you today in your life to get up every day? And you've lived at the highest level. A lot of athletes have identity crises when they're done. Tell me a little bit about you and what drives you to get up every day.

Yeah, Well, I mean, since sports, I guess since the sochilympics, I kind of made it my life's work to empower other people. I think that I actually get more excited about that, which is why the idea of going back to compete in Pyeongchang was really hard for me because I didn't necessarily feel the drive for myself, but when it became about mindset and when it came, became about helping someone else do the best, I wasn't motivated by the idea of necessarily winning a third Olympic medal, but I was motivated by the idea of helping someone get to the Olympics and potentially win their first. You know, it's just a shift. And I think when it's. I don't know, other people's goals become my goals, which is, I think, why I enjoy doing what I do right now. I've just started because while I was speaking and traveling so much, I could only kind of manage. I felt like I could only do a good job with quality in managing just two or three private clients at a time for coaching. But now I'm doing. I'm starting to do small group coaching. So it's still small, it's still intimate, but developing kind of this community where other people are also invested in each other's goals. And it's. I just. That's. I love that stuff. Mind you, I'm in the middle of like a renovation and all that other stuff. That kind of helps get that physical energy. Physical energy going, bashing down some walls and stuff like that. But I mean, it's. I just think that when you can invest in other people's goals, it's fun and also challenging other people's goals. Like when I'm coaching someone and they say, this is what I want, you know, I can't help them unless. And they can't help themselves unless they actually know why it is they want it. And sometimes when you dive into those questions, they realize that what they thought they wanted is not exactly what they wanted. And when you start figuring out what they really, really want, that's what enables people to get past all the challenges that pop up. And you know, if a challenge comes up but you're pursuing a goal that is not your goal, but someone else's goal for you, then that's when it becomes really hard to work through problems and challenges and obstacles and all of these things that we talk about getting in the way. And that's where all the excuses come in if we're pursuing the wrong goal. So.

And I've seen that so many times. I've seen it with parents and I've seen it even with even an amateur sports. So I was one that believed in. Parents will not agree with me because they just won't agree because everything's about winning. But good wins comes from good development. And an example is my son would play lacrosse and I knew he was going to quit at. Not even at the high school level. At the, at the. He went through. It's called K through 12 all. So he went through kindergarten all the way through. But at a certain level, when they're younger, they, they even play the top kids at sixth grade and they'll put then other kids on the field for the last minute. And I said, oh, he's going to quit. And I told the other parents, we're going to win. We have to beat this team. I said, you don't have to beat this team. Now the kids have to develop. Everything about being an athlete is developing. And I think that's where we go wrong in sports. And a good example is if you're a lacrosse player and you're running down and a parent's yelling, shoot, shoot, shoot. Their motor skills are not on the same level as you. So they're hearing shoe. Even though it's not a time to shoot, everything is off. So the best parent should be the parent that sits there, doesn't say anything. Clap and cheer for your kid. Now I'm not teaching parenting here, but I, I know you said your parents were such a big influence and they should listen to a two time gold medal, two different sports like Bo Jackson and, and that's something that I know your parents are proud. They have to be proud. Of course.

Well, they're proud of all, all of the kids. Like my sister's. I think they're just proud because we've been able to make a career of helping people. So my brother, he's a, was a teacher and now he's a vice principal. My sister is a. So he's empowering people's minds. You know, the, how raising, you know, raising humans, raising young adults and stuff to be able to think. And my sister's a, an emergency doctor and she's helping people through health. And, and I just, I think they're just, they're proud of all of us. They wouldn't. They. I'm proud of them, you know, and it's, I think that's also been a blessing that there's never kind of been this jealousy between any of us. Like my siblings are my biggest supporters and I don't know, it's been really great. And talking about support when you're talking about parents and how to support their kids. I remember my very first. So this happened twice and I'm sure that they basically said the same thing both times. But for bobsledding, my very first World cup race right after, like I'm literally in the sport for a month and the World cup race is coming up and I don't even know if I'm going to be pushing or not. Right. Because I'm an alternate. Like I have to earn my spot on the team still and you know, working my way up through the season. And so my parents said, oh, well, we're going to come out, we're going to fly to Calgary and you know, watch the race. And I just said, but that's, that's a lot of money. Like, I don't know if I'm even going to be racing. Like, I, you can't, you're going to fly all the way out here and I don't even know if I'm going to be racing. And they said, heather, you should know by now we're not coming to watch you, we're coming to support you.

That is, every parent has to do it. I would go to, I would see my son play on the high school team and he ended up doing pole vaulting. And I was happy that he changed sports because it was something that he Liked, but he goes, dad, I'm not going to play even a minute. I said, you know what? I'm there because I love you, you're my son and if you play one minute or 20 minutes, it doesn't matter if you play no minutes, I'm there and I'm proud of you and I want you to do is you. Even if you play one minute, the only thing I could say to you is be the best one minute player that you could be with a good attitude and don't bring down the team because I know you're frustrated, have a positive attitude. Maybe it's not right for whatever reason, but you can't control that. So don't do things you can't control. So I, I want you to take me through like, like I'm a client and we're. And again, this is something that I. Because I'd love to hear it from Olympic athletes or an elite level athlete. Take me through a little bit of a session on how you would work with somebody.

Well, I personally think that if someone could give you an exact way they're going to work with you, then it's probably not a good coach. I. Every person is different. And so every person is going to come, every client is going to come for a different reason and need different things from you. So for pri. For. It's a little bit different for a small group coaching session like that obviously has to be a little bit more structured. And with that, for example, you're kind of working through a lot of clarity in terms of what's your big vision, what's your goal? And people don't realize that a lot of people's goals are not goals at all. They're just kind of generalizations like, I want to be healthier, I want to lose weight. Okay, well, losing one pound is losing one weight. So is that enough for you or, you know, and why, like why do you want to lose weight? Is it actually more of a self image thing or is it actually a health thing? Is it a just how you feel in your day thing? Like, what are we striving for here? Because weight is kind of, I mean, losing weight doesn't necessarily mean you're healthier. So there are all these things that you kind of work through to figure out what actually is the underlying thing for their goal and what actually what their goal, actual goal is not just a general statement. With private clients, it's the same like you have to go through a lot of clarity, kind of doing a little bit of an analysis, sort of sometimes actually doing kind of a SWOT analysis or a peo, which is more of an occupational therapy term I learned. So it's. It's kind of evaluating the person, the environment and the occupation, like how it all kind of mixes together and what needs to change where, in order and how. In order to achieve, you know, the goals that they have for themselves. Because. And so. But with the private clients, sometimes it's. Well, even with groups, but the private clients get to dictate a little bit more of the pace they want to go. We can. We can spend a little more time talking about the things that are holding them back. The mindset, which is formed from a lot of times from comments that have stuck with them from when they were younger. Like, you could probably ask someone which, you know, in different phases of your life, tell me three stories that stand out to you or that come to your brain a lot or that, you know, comments that stick with your brain, and those will be very telling in terms of things that are holding that person back now or the other way, like. Or fueling them. Right. Like the. Some of those comments can be fueling, but it really just depends on the comments they get. And we all have them. All have those comments. Yeah. A lot of it is about language and tapping into gratitude just. Just to keep perspective through everything. So regardless of whatever is going on in your life, you can still find some things to be grateful for, and those are things that you focus on. But in terms of choices, empowering people by making them realize that everything they do is a choice. So they may not. It may not feel like very much of a choice at the time, but it's still a choice. And you may not feel like it's a choice just because the consequences of doing the other thing are so bad that you wouldn't really consider it, but it's still a choice. So as soon as people can actually accept the fact that everything they do is a choice, then that in and of itself is empowerment. That helps them take a little bit more control over their life. And then from there, we talk about language and the language we use on ourselves, the language we use even when we're talking about ourselves to other people. Language is a big thing. So.

Yeah, but we could talk for three hours here because. We could talk for three hours because you're taking your experience of who you are of. Of your background, and you're. You're really impacting people. You said something I like where, where you mentioned there's no two people alike. We've learned that as an athlete, empowering with self talk. I used to talk to myself and, and I still do. And some people are saying I don't talk to myself. So you just talk to yourself. But the point is I love what you just. So we're going to wrap it up. Can you. You're going to be part of it. You're going to be on our website so people could see you at Hartman Academy. But please tell us. And again, we don't sell on this show. This is not what it's about. But I really want. We have a lot of athletes and families and just everyday people that listen. Heather, where can they find you?

Oh gosh, yes. Come find me. Well, easy is probably Instagram just at Heather Moyce, but also my website, heather moyce.com if that's, that's in case they're looking for either. You know, the coaching program is under Work with me tab. There's also my book is on there. So it's kind of a nice way to tap into it. It's just been released on audiobook as well. So the audiobook you can go to books.heathermoyce.com audiobook and it'll take you right to the webpage or Right. That actually might take you right to audible, actually.

Well, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to, for, for this segment, your URL will be right there for everybody to see. So it's, it's attached to this podcast.

So you can find everything on there. You can find the books, you can find. If you can't find something that you're looking for on the website, you can always just contact me or you know, my assistant Karen can get back to it. Like it's, it's been great. It's been really great. And I've had some messages from some people who inquire about the coaching program or you know, private coaching and potentially what can work for them if there's a, you know, if there's kind of a happy medium that they need worked on. It's been, it's been wonderful and I've met some amazing people and worked with some fantastic people. So, and it's been so great to be on the show. It's been so great, Mike.

Yep, I loved it. And Heather, thank you so much for doing this and you've really, I'm sure you gave a lot of nuggets to a lot of people because they, that you gave them certain things they could take with them. Thank you so much.

Oh, you're welcome.

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