Jodi Sheakley Wright-Stronger Than Stress!

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Welcome to another episode. Today. My guest is Jody Shakley Wright. Jody, it's so great to have you.

Here, Mike, thank you so much for having me. We've known each other for about 12 years, no longer.

Almost 20, I think it has to be 20. And it's funny how we met. We met through, I know your son was a hockey player and I just moved to Charlotte and I believe you came from Charlotte from Pennsylvania.

I believe via a couple more moves past that. Yes, we did. We did. We actually moved from Ohio, moved to Charlotte. My son had just had one learn to skate class in Cleveland and then we were lucky to find the rink in south Charlotte. And I remember you led some sessions for him and yes, that's how we connected.

Yeah, I came here and didn't know much about Charlotte, had a house in Detroit, and at the time my former spouse said, my family's moving here. Would you be interested in moving? And I ended up trying to set some roots down, ended up helping the minor league hockey team here, the Charlotte Checkers. I played when they needed me. I was like a part time player. I pretty much retired from professional hockey and I was here. It was a good way to network and it's great. So I remember meeting you and you were so into the health and the fitness and the nutrition and it was such a big part about your life. So if you could share with the listeners a little bit about your story and how you got involved and we would love to hear it.

Absolutely. Thank you for asking. So, yes, health, fitness, wellness, it's been part of my life since day one. I was a dancer since age five and then carried through sports, through high school, volleyball, cheerleading, and was lucky enough to not my first year, but my second year land a Division 1 cheerleading spot at the University of Pittsburgh, which I have to tell you, was a really big deal because I'm 5 foot 6 inches tall and there are not many programs that are division one that will take someone that tall for a cheerleading, for a cheerleader. So that was a thrill. But it was also my first big taste of Little Fish in Big Pond because I grew up in a very small town in north northwestern Pennsylvania where, you know, I Was almost. Almost felt like a big fish in a little pond there. So that was much different. But it was exactly what I needed at that point in my life, taught me the value of digging in and doing some hard work. But after college, you know, I kind of figured, well, I've been active my whole life now. What. How does this continue? And, oh, my gosh, nobody's telling me to go to the gym. Nobody's telling me to practice this or that. I had to figure that out on my own. So I knew that I was passionate about those things. So I just continued and found my way into strength training. I was actually inspired by my brother, who was in the army and had transformed his physique into a powerlifter. So I found that very inspirational and just kept doing. I was actually very lucky to keep doing what I love to do. My husband at the time, and I will credit him for this, said, you know what, do you just follow your passion and the money will come? What I did know is that when I followed my passion, I didn't look at the clock. I was totally engrossed and completed a master's degree and then a PhD in nutrition eventually. But I kept up with strength training and eventually moved to Richmond, Virginia. Spent about 12 years in Charlotte. Unfortunately, the marriage did not survive, but my life in health, fitness and wellness continued. And I'm really pleased to say that as I continued my education, I was able to get a wellness coaching certification. And that was just sheer luck. That's when health coaching started to become more popular and more prevalent. So it just so happened that I was finishing my doctorate when that was becoming popular. So I got my certification in health coaching also. Before I had moved from Charlotte to Richmond, I was working as a health coach, and at that time, a telephonic health coach, mainly for clients on the West Coast. The company was based in Dallas, and when I lived there and was doing this work, I came across a client who said, jodi, I would love to donate my kidney to my sister. She's in need. And I didn't know the first thing about organization, donation, Mike, or transplantation. So I said, well, I know very little about that, but let's see what I can figure out for us. I know how to help you lose weight. That's the business I was in. I don't know anything about organ transplantation. So as I started to do some research, and at the same time, believe it or not, I watched this episode on Grey's Anatomy, Season 5, Episode 5, and they talk about kidney paired Donation. So I always joke that that was really, you know, my Hollywood medical education when I said, oh, my gosh, like, this organ pairing donation thing really exists, or is this just a Hollywood thing? And it turns out, Mike, it really does exist. So in my research for this client, I kind of determined that, you know what? I'm healthy enough, my son has grown at this point. Financially, I was decently well off, and I thought, why wouldn't I donate a kidney? There's nothing precluding me from doing that. One of the key pieces that I came across is just knowing that each of our kidneys contribute about 25 to 35% of the load. So when you take one away, you still have plenty of room for that other to absorb the workload, and life continues. So, long story short, there's not a whole lot about my life that changed physically. After donating a kidney. I was lucky to be paired with a recipient in Minneapolis, Minnesota. So I drove to Atlanta to donate my kidney, flew to Minneapolis, and was transplanted into a woman there, and her husband donated one on her behalf. So it was actually a chain. And that's where the term kidney pair donation comes in. Then there was two other people, so total of four patients were helped in that particular chain. So I felt really blessed that I could do it. Since then, I reconnected with an old high school classmate. We never dated during high school, but I happened to be driving from Charlotte to New York, and I needed to stop somewhere in between, and Richmond was that halfway mark. So with the powers of connection that Facebook possesses, I thought, okay, who do I know in Richmond? I know Kevin Wright in Richmond, and we had dinner, and now he is my husband of six and a half years. So that's how the move to Richmond happened. And I've been fortunate to not only meet and get to know my kidney recipient and her family, but also proceed with my career in health and wellness. After moving to Richmond, I was, you know, going to the new gym there, and I saw a few trainers whispering over in the corner and out of the corner of my eye and. And one eventually came over to me, and this time I was 42. And he said, do you compete? And I said, no, I don't. But, you know, I had, you know, throughout my life, through the stress management, through the good times, through the bad times, it's something that I'd kept up with. And I thought, you know what? I definitely wouldn't have done this in my twenties. I was too self conscious. But heck, I'm 42. What do I have to lose. So I started my career in natural bodybuilding and since have been just really, really blessed. I did my first show prep, believe it or not. I coached myself, which by the way, I would not recommend. I have since discovered that coaches definitely need coaches. But my first show, I was lucky enough to win five out of six first place finishes, including my pro card in the masters category, which is actually the kind way of saying middle aged. It means, you know, after 40 and. Yeah, so ironically, the woman who is now my mentor boss was seated on the judges panel that day at my first show and I didn't know her then, but honestly, I tried to prep myself for my second show in Pittsburgh. I failed miserably. I came in third. And you know, Mike, I don't, I don't train to take third, I train to win.

So I think, oh, I know you're competitive, I know you're, I've known you, you're very competitive, for sure.

Yeah. But I love the process and I knew I needed some additional help, that some pieces were missing. So I looked to hire a great coach. And that's when one of the other show promoters had said, you need to go see Kelly Killen. She is the coach and I'll tell you, I have been just really blessed to work with her. She does a great job of taking care of athletes, not only in terms of health and wellness, but psychologically, which is such a big piece of this bodybuilding equation. The prep before, during, and after. And after that, she's hired me as a wellness coach as her business in health coaching has expanded. So here we are. Yes.

So you have so much. So just going back, we talk about giving and giving ourselves and just to forward the clock back. I mean, giving a kidney, that's a lot. Just to do that, to have the ability. People talk about it, but to actually do it and go through it. I commend you. That's amazing.

Thank you. I was very fortunate to be able to do it, you know, and I'll tell you, it's a pretty intensive process. When I decided that, oh, this could be something that maybe I could do, I called first. I looked at the top three transplant centers in the Southeast. And that is one of the reasons that I drove from Charlotte to Atlanta, because Piedmont Hospital in Atlanta is one of the, the biggest, most successful transplant facilities or was at the time. You know, I'm pretty sure they still are in the Southeast. So I called Piedmont first. And I'll tell you, Mike, I laugh about it now because I set out to consider which, you know, which facility at which I donate. Just like I would hire a plumber. You know, I thought, well, I'll call three people. See, See who. Who, you know, has the best kind of customer service and has the process that makes the most sense to me, and I'll choose from there. But what in fact happened is when I called Piedmont, I met the nicest transplant coordinator on the other side. I just really felt out of the gate that I was in great hands. So I agreed to drive to Atlanta, and I had two and a half days of very intensive testing. They do everything from psychological testing to, obviously, the physical testing. And after 12 appointments, they said, oh, my gosh, yes, absolutely. We would love to have your kidney.

Well, that's great. So, yeah, I know a little bit about it, because my former spouse, we're talking boy, I was still playing hockey. I think I was playing for Tampa bay. So maybe 90. No, maybe a little bit after. Maybe 95. And my former spouse was adopted, and my former father in law, his name is Steve. Steve needed a kidney, and they were a match. So things happened for a reason. And I just remember the process then was it was harder on the person giving the kidney back then than it was the person receiving it. I mean, that's how hard it was on the body. In fact, Lauren, who was my former spouse, had a harder time recovering from that, I remember. And they go in and they. They cut a very large scar and pretty much saved her father's life. So there's always a reason. I believe there's always a backstory behind it. And like. Like, just like for yourself, it's great how things work out. So. So just to jump a little bit. I mean, you're a bodybuilder. So I remember I'm in Charlotte, North Carolina, and I walk into lebows, and I know the Lebo's owners. It's right off of independence in Charlotte. And if anyone knows, it's a western wear store. And they have boots and they have buckles and they have all different types of things. And I just stepped in to say hello to the owner, and there you were online. You may not remember this. You were in line. I went and said hello. I think your son was playing hockey down the road, and you were going to the store, and we're talking 10, 11. I mean, this was a while ago.

Oh, my gosh, that was a long time ago.

Yeah, I got. I don't know why I can't remember how to spell my name sometimes, but sometimes I remember. So I saw you and I said, yeah, you know, you've always been in shape and you're, you're, you're healthy. I even know a little bit of a background. You're probably going to say, how did you know that? Even though you wrote your thesis or you did something with McDonald's at one time, you wrote your, one of your papers, you told me. And I always try to take mental notes when people tell me things. I try to be interested in what they say. And so I know you're healthy. Then I look on Facebook and I said, wait a sec. That's not the Jody I know. And you were ripped. So I want to talk about the bodybuilding. And how did you. Like you talked a little bit about it, but how did you do that? Because you have to have focus. You have to be disciplined. Share with me, please. How did you go from looking fit, healthy to looking like bodybuilding amazing? How did you do it?

Absolutely. Well, some of it was by accident and, you know, not by design. Like I said, I never anticipated somebody coming up to me in a gym when I was 42 and saying, you should compete. In fact, if I rewind to when I lived in Charlotte, now I'm five, six and a half, I had just a really rough time following my divorce. And I'm gonna be straight with you. Like, that's, that's what happened. I had a, I had a big, you know, just really depression, honestly. So at that time, I was 112 pounds. I was underweight, and, you know, all of the stress, just food did not stick to me. So one thing that I knew to handle my stress, and this was very subconscious, and I believe it's just because I had such a foundation of training in the gym was, you know, I didn't always know what to do with myself every day, but I knew I had to get to the gym. It was the one thing that just, I just kept doing. And as I continue to just put one right foot in front of the other, I started lifting heavier. I could lift heavier in the gym. I felt stronger. I supported it with clean nutrition because also at this time, I was bringing home my PhD degree. So I felt like I needed to live authentically. I had to walk. The talk. The things that I was telling my clients I have to do myself because truth be told, I can't log onto a video session, look a client in the eye and say, do as I say, not as I do. So in pairing the nutrition, and that's really where it's at. Bodybuilding is the sport of eating. Yes, you have to lift heavier and force your muscles to work outside of their comfort zone, but it is founded in solid nutrition. So honestly, Mike, as I felt better and I felt healthier and, you know, got well, something really incredible happened and I went from 112 pounds to about 135, 140 pounds. So if you had told my, I don't know, 32, 34 year old self, someday you're going to be about 30 pounds heavier and you're going to love it. I would have, I would have, I wouldn't have believed you. But it's, yeah, it's just different. It's a different kind of body composition. So it was a very slow and gradual process. And my point in sharing all that is that when you go through something in life that tears you down psychologically, it resulted in the loss of someone very close to me. And I reached a point where I ended up getting grief counseling over this. So when you experience the low of lows in life, if you fast forward and you think about a coach telling you you have to eat a cup of rice and 4 or 5 ounces of protein at each meal, somehow that eating that rice and that protein and prescribed amounts doesn't seem so difficult. You know what I mean?

So true, so true. And that's like, so we use adversity in our coaching. We use it all the time. That, that's, it's amazing how certain things could push you. Some people say, well, you have to hit rock bottom. And I don't know if you hit rock bottom at that point, but I do remember you had that divorce and it really set you back. But the good thing is that the one thing that's important is you recognize that. And then you put your efforts into something that was like going to help your body. And I know women are thinking, boy, if I lift too many weights, am I going to get bulky? You have to remember I live with a dietitian, so I know I'm learning a lot about, you know, I, I have to sneak those extra cookies in. I have to, I, you know, I don't get my sleep. And you know, she would say, you know, you're not sleeping well. Yes, I am. No, you've been rolling around and you can't look at your phone. So, you know, when it comes to nutrition and fueling your body, you're like, I've used this line a lot. Your body's like a machine and not properly fueled, it will break down. But you took it To a level now where you're training, I mean you're, you're training at a higher level. How many hours a day does it require to bodybuild? Just like coming out of the gate? Because I don't know anything about bodybuilding. Nothing. So you have to help me a little bit coming out of the gate.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You might be surprised. So I only train about five to six hours a week in my off season or my growth season. And a lot of people think, oh my gosh, you must be in the gym 10 or 12 hours. No, the gym is honestly worth 20% of your physique. Nutrition is worth 80% of it and that's whether you're gaining or losing weight. So the nutrition has to be very intentional. You have to make the most of that pre workout meal and the post workout meal and certainly every other meal of the day. And very true too. Women are not going to put on a super huge amount of muscle just by eating. Normally you have to be in a caloric surplus. But it's also a matter of optimizing your proteins, your carbs, your fats, your big three macros in order to do that. And quite simply, most women just don't possess the testosterone that will grow muscles. I will say too, I am natural, I don't take any steroids, I don't take anything that would unnaturally inflate these muscles. And part of the reason is because I do have one kidney. So my health absolutely trumps my ability to step on stage in a tiny bikini. So that's the other, other piece of the equation. But it's really just again five or six hours a week. And it's really not that different when I'm in season and cutting. And that's the other piece, you know, in the off season we're working really hard in that caloric surplus, keeping calories clean. Because I'm going to put on some weight off season, right? And I do try to keep a pretty tight window between my in season body and my off season body. You know, for me again at 5 foot 6, my off season body, my high weight is probably about 143. My stage weight is 130 right now. But in the off season we're gaining. The idea for me is to put on as much muscle as I can by minimizing the gains in fat. Because then when it comes time to lean out during my 10 to 17 week prep, we're stripping the fat off the muscles and there's no growth happening when you're when you're in a caloric deficit, when you're quote unquote in prep, does that make sense?

No, it does. And so, so just to go around that question a little bit because we talked about your body and you're taking care of it, it's a, it's a, it's like a full time job. How does this affect, like, I know women, I'm not gonna categorize it. Women or men? Men are competitive. Women are competitive.

Sure.

Hot. Like when you, when you're interacting with people and, and spending time with them and all of a sudden you're, you know, you have a, you know, a T shirt on and you know, you have muscles that the, the, the average female does not have or the average male. And did they, do you feel that they could be uncomfortable around you at times or intimidated?

Probably when that happens the most is when I'm pretty close to show date because I'm not gonna lie, my forearms get pretty veiny. So yeah, so that's probably the point at which I get stopped in the grocery store the most. And people, you know, kind of do a double take and they're like, oh my gosh, what are you doing? But honestly, it's again, you know, I get more questions and curiosity more than anything else. I can't say I've had too many uncomfortable moments. And that's honestly because when you look at a bodybuilder, you know, particularly us females, and I compete in figure for those of you who know the sport. So I'm not huge to look at in person. And that's the illusion when we get on stage. I mean, when I get on stage at £130, I look a lot bigger. But it's an illusion because we've stripped the fat off the muscles. So. Yeah, that's usually why it's not just such a wow. You know, it's not like looking at Schwarzenegger.

Now, do you train different body parts? Because for what I do is my workout and I, I'm very simple. I, I do a yoga, a body stretch. I'm boring you. You would laugh if I don't even lift as much as you. Because I do bands and body weight. But I do believe in weights. Everybody is, you know, whatever, whatever that exercise or training program that they're on and it works for them. I'm, I'm all behind it, but you. But do you train like certain body parts?

Great question. I do, I do. And you know, I train my back the most because honestly, I don't See my back. So I've spent 25 years ignoring that view because I just don't see it. So at this point in my Life and at 47, it is no easy task to put on muscle. So I've been training my back probably two to three times a week, heavy, to try to get it to catch up with some of my other muscle groups. Because it really is about skills, symmetry. And I've been, you know, fortunate enough that my legs are pretty well developed again. I have a history in dance, gymnastics and cheer, so I'm lucky that way. But there are certain other muscle groups that need to catch up and it's, it's a real balancing act. But like any other sport, you know, if you practice certain skills and you have some strengths and you have some weaknesses, your weaknesses become your strengths when you bring, when you give them more attention. And I think that's very true for physique too. I lean out a little bit differently each season, which is always kind of a fun experiment too. So, yes, more back training. But ironically, the body parts that I get the most compliments on, my shoulders and my calves, I train the least genetically, they just happen to appear.

So I talked to a couple bodybuilders and I'm sure people will ask you this question, like when, when I moved to Charlotte, a great place to live, great people, but somebody would make like a hockey joke or ask a question and they just didn't know. So I'm going to ask you a question that I just don't know because I'm sure people ask you, they would say, okay, Jody, how much can you lift? How much can you bench? How many people have asked you that question before?

That's the thing, you know, I don't know, Mike, I don't bench, I don't bench. I might do some push ups. So here's the other crux of being 47, right? You don't get to 47 and be an athlete most or all of your life without a few dings and injuries. So during COVID I actually push up myself into a front delt or shoulder injury. So I'm not doing any push ups or any chest work right now because of that. And the thing about bodybuilding, at least in the figure division is, you know, we're were viewed looking at different angles, you know, front, side and back on stage. Nobody asks you how much you can lift. So it's literally about smoke and mirrors. You want to create the illusion that you lift a lot, but you might or might not be able to Well.

I know people that body build. I have friends that lift weights. And there's a friend of mine here locally, and he's actually a psychologist, psychiatrist. And this guy's huge. And I, he, he's on Facebook and he's benching £585. And, you know, he pushes it up once, and it's very impressive. I think it's great because that's his outlet. That's what he loves to do. Now, it's not me. I could not even do that. I don't. I used to tell people, they used to say, how much can you bench as a hockey player? Well, I said, if you use that motion, it's a cross check. But we never lifted that kind of heavy weight. So, you know, so it's, it's, it's your love, it's your passion. Now, is, Is it lucrative? I mean, I know it's not just about money, but it's your passion, but is there money at this level?

It's, it's, it does not pay the mortgage. I will say that. No. I, again, I'm a natural bodybuilder and I do it as, as my hobby, some would call it hobby building. It's just a slice of my year. And similarly, you know, I'm a health coach as well. So the company for which I coach, we say that we help those who are prepping for life as well as those who are prepping for stage. So 15, 10% of our clients are prepping for stage. The vast majority are prepping for life. So for the most part, I help people with weight loss, but I think my body pretty much follows suit, you know, 85. Well, actually 100% of the year I'm health coaching and I'm, you know, living my, my lifestyle. But it's only a small 15% of the year that I'm actually bodybuilding. But I love it so much, I'll keep doing it as long as I can. It does. It'll pay for the suit, the very expensive bedazzled bikini suit in some cases. I compete at the pro level now, and I've been lucky enough to qualify at both the Master's level as well as the Open category. So the difference between the two is age. For the Masters category, I think I mentioned earlier, I won my first pro card in the Master's category, which meant that then I could go and step on the pro stage. So in 2018, I did compete in my first Masters pro show, and I took second. I was really proud of that. It was a stacked category. And since then I've also won an open pro card, meaning I competed last year against ladies of all ages, so some in their early 20s, and there were a few, I think in our category who were in their 50s, so a wide range. And I won that as well. So now I'm actually qualified to compete at all age levels in natural bodybuilding for the company is called ocb is. Is the federation for which I compete.

That's. That is great because you're an inspiration because you went from. And maybe we could learn from this or not even. Maybe we could. We all of us should listen to this because there's a lot of moms out there, a lot of divorces, a lot of setbacks. This whole thing with COVID and you've. You found a way to take your game to the next level. And I. And I envy that. I think that's great. And I'm sure there's moms. And because people get negative, they're going to say, well, how many calories do you eat a day? So. And I.

Right.

And I wouldn't even know. And it's funny, people ask me, hey, what do you do? And I said, well, I train smart, but well, how many calories do you eat a day? Do you count them or is it.

Oh my gosh, mine. Well, let's see. Right now I'm actually doing a little mini cut because we always need goals and I'm not competing in an official show this year, so I still wanted to do a mini cut or mini shred. So right now, again, started right around 143 pounds. I'm shredding on 1650 calories a day. In my off season, my intake is probably around 21, 20, 200 calories per day.

Yeah. And you have to be dedicated so we could tell mom. So I want you to give us a tip and share with our listeners just a little bit about what they could do, even on a small level, to improve their body and their overall wellness. Can you share a little bit with us just how to stay healthy or get to the gym and at least get their one foot in the door to start something like this?

Absolutely. I think the vast majority need to give themselves permission so often. And because I coach primarily women, what we tend to see is they allow themselves to fall down the priority list and they need to give themselves permission because when you take care of yourself, it doesn't have to be at the expense of everyone else around you and you can show up better and it enhances your life. So that when you're around others, you can be more present. So the way that I normally say that to my moms who are trying to make a change is it's okay to be a little selfish so that you can be selfless. So that's number one. Number two, we tend to see a lot of ladies come to us who are under eating and they don't intend to, but there's so much value in fueling your body regularly throughout the day. Now, I know, don't get me wrong. And I'm the first one to tell you there's a million ways to get from point A to point B. I mean, you can lose weight through a number of different methods. We happen to favor a whole foods single ingredient for the most part approach, something very balanced, something sustainable. So as they're working towards that, I would say don't be afraid of the food, but then also look to the quality of your foods. There is such a difference when, you know, if I'm competing, like there's a difference in the way that potatoes and rice sit on my body looks a whole lot different than if I'm eating pop tarts in my 1650 calories. Right? So quality matters and we do. So I usually encourage women to really educate themselves or get that education elsewhere. On, okay, how many calories does my body really need per day? And it is the biggest mind flip, Mike, because when I turn around a meal plan and I deliver it, people normally are blown away and they think, oh my gosh, am I going to lose weight and lean out on this much food? And the answer is yes, because your metabolism can be retrained. So those are a couple things, you know, besides that. Go for it. You know, I see so many ladies who kind of sit around and they're like, oh my gosh, can it really happen? Can it really happen? Yes, it can really happen. And that's honestly one of the things that I love about my my calling my more than anything else. And that's when I'm able to help someone exceed their own expectations about what they can do. So it really is a team approach. Find that accountability partner or trusted advisor or someone in your life who you can partner with and somebody who really lifts you up and supports you towards your goals. I didn't get to these stage accolades on my own. Like I said, I mean, okay, but like, that's when you really excel, is when you surround yourself with who I call your wellness team. And then quite honestly, I mean, something that we talk about day in and day out is you have to find ways around your own bs. And we all have the bs. They're the stories that we tell ourselves to keep ourselves in the. In the easier but not so productive habits. Habits. And if you can unlock your own bs, you can unlock your physique to the next level for sure.

And we didn't talk about the word, but it's the mindset. And this was. Jody, it was so great having you. Now, now I don't want to embarrass you. Is there a place that people could see what you do, like Instagram, your website? Is there anything that we could take a look at or our listeners to just to learn a little bit more about you?

Absolutely. Thanks for asking. So, yes, I work for a company called KK Wellness Consulting. So they can go to kkwellnessconsulting.com and not only can they meet me there, they can meet our team of 15 coaches who, yes, just like me, we wake up every day and mindset absolutely matters. So I'm glad that you said that too. It has to be part of the equation. The other way that I can be reached is at jshakely s h e a k l e y k wellnessconsulting.com or I'm on Instagram, Facebook as well, but you'll find me on Instagram. Achelywright S H E A K L E Y W R I G H T wow.

Well, this was great. Very insightful. I learned a lot. For me, I'm going to stick to my body weight, working out because I'm boring. But it was so great to have you and thanks again, Jody. It was really nice.

Thank you very much, Mike. And I think that's, you know, in closing, I would just say that, you know, fitness is something different for each of us, but keep going for what you are, you know, personally respond to. And the functional fitness that you do or the bodybuilding I do, everybody has their own personal equation. So keep looking for it until you find it.

Very well said. Thank you, Jodi.

Thank you, Mike. Take care.

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