Mark Rosenman -Author Of 6 Books Shares Some Great Stories!

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Welcome to another episode. Today. My guest is Mark Roseman, and today we're going to hear something really special. We're going to talk about Mark. Mark's had a really neat career in the broadcasting area, writing books, sports and radio personality. He's been on tv. He's done a lot. Mark, great to have you today.

Absolutely. My pleasure, Michael.

So we go back a few years. I know you've written some great books. We just want to hear your story because we know you're a sports fanatic. We know that you are. I don't want to get into. This is not really a sports show. But we know you're a big Yankee fan. I'm kidding. I know you're a big Met fan because I know you used to do the. I know you did a lot of the fantasy Met things. I happen to be from Detroit, but I'm, I'm a Yankee fan and I. But I'm a big baseball fan. But we won't hold that against each other. So just share with me a little bit about your background. What was that passion for sports that you loved? And tell us a little bit about yourself.

So it's funny. So the passion from sports actually comes basically from the anniversary of. It was a couple of days ago, end of August. My dad took me to a Met game. It was 1968. It was the Mets versus Cardinals. And Archampsky happened to hit a grand slam in that game. And I was 8 years old and to see the Shea Stadium scoreboard at that point, I mean, the special effects were just like rainbow colors on the outside of the scoreboard. But it was a grand slam. It was something I always remembered. And it was the thing that actually spurred on my love for sports. And then obviously the New York Rangers first game I went to was Rangers scored, I think, nine goals in that game. So the two games I went to really hooked me. So who knows, had the results been the other way, maybe I wouldn't have been as passionate.

Well, that, that's great because arts are if anybody. I, I happened to meet Art last year. I did a TV commercial with him and he's such a gentleman. Then I, we went out for dinner and I sat across the table from Art, and he's a very quiet, modest guy. He hit one against the Cardinals and he played. He's from St. Louis. That's where I believe Art's from arts for that St. Louis area. But what, what a gentleman. What a nice guy. And I remember you and I had the conversation that we, we remember our sports heroes, or you can call them idols. I mean, was. Was Art like an idol? Or tell me, tell me, who was your idol in sports?

Wow, that's a tough one. So my, I have to say that my idol in sports probably was Willie Mays. And not because of, you know, when I saw him play was. He was a shadow of himself, but he was one of those players that transcended generations. It was a player that my father enjoyed watching. And then when we would go to games, he would tell me all about him. So I guess Mays is probably my first idol. Willis Reed was another one, just because of what he meant to the Knicks, Roger Bear, Brad park, just so many of them growing up, it was, you know, the athletes back then were bigger than life. So you could pick anyone from any one of the New York teams and you couldn't go wrong.

So I recently told you like I did a story. One of my stories is Pay it Forward, one of my podcasts. And I remember when I was a little kid, I was nine years old, and it was the biggest thrill in the world. So as I was went to the Detroit Tiger baseball game and happened to be a rain delay. It was against, coincidentally, the New York Yankees. And my father asked my father, hey, can I run down in the corner where they were playing Pepper? So if some got a baseball fan, Pepper's where they gather in a little circle and they just keep the ball going in the air, whether it's with their glove or a bat, I believe. And I was hanging over and one of the New York Yankees gave me a ball. And I still have that ball today. And it really made an impact on my life. And that the story about paying it forward was after I. When I made as a professional athlete, my dream was to play baseball or hockey. I always said, I'm going to give a puck to a boy and a little girl at each game or if I ever play baseball, I told my father, I'm going to give somebody a ball. So what has anything impacted you when you were younger?

Just the games itself, for sure, and just the way the athletes were. And then later on getting into the broadcast field, more so hockey players than any of the other Sports, just the realness and the ability to connect one on one when you would sit down and interview the players. But the sports itself and obviously the 1969 Mets as a nine year old, you know, watching your favorite team win a World Series, the 1978-79 Rangers, their march to Stanley cup finals and obviously 94, those are the things that impact when your teams win. 1969, the jets winning a Super bowl, the Knicks in 69 and 73, those were the impactful because I was 8, 9 and 13 at the times those championships were being won. And then being a long suffering Ranger fan finally when the drought ended, those were pretty impactful for me.

So I find it interesting, you know, with like, like with your background, you've been on the radio for, for many years. You, you've written these books which I want to talk about, I want to talk about each book and the mindset behind, behind the book. But you know, for me I, I know I understand hockey really well and a little in baseball I know the players. But how do you keep up with all the sports? Because you're like a sports expert, like you know about everything. How do you, how do you do that?

I wouldn't say about everything. My two main focuses really are baseball and hockey. I do keep up with football. As far as basketball. My co host, that's his passion, so he kind of keeps an eye on that. I will watch the playoffs, but it's very difficult if you're keeping abreast of the Stanley cup playoffs to coincide with the NBA playoffs. It's tough to keep in track with all those. So it's not a job for me, it's a passion. So I'm watching the games because I love the games. It's not a job for me, it's something I love to do and you know, I can watch a baseball game at any time. I love when spring training comes around and you hear the sound of the announcers doing a spring training game or when I'm down there in Port St. Lucie, just the atmosphere, you know, the renewal of another season, clean slate, all of that. So it's not a job. So it's easy to keep up with it because I enjoy it.

You love it. It's something that you have passion for. And I thought it was important that you know, I have a lot of different people that come on the show. Many professional athlet to entrepreneurs, people that have been on even reality tv, to sports psychologists. And I thought it was important to have you because I want to know the Mindset behind writing a book, it's so hard to do. People tell me, hey, I want to write a book. I want to write my autobiography. Even my own daughter, it's been going on five years and she's still trying to get that book off the ground. And I wrote a short story book. I don't even consider it. I mean, I did something. It's a self published little thing. But what you did, how did you, besides the seven books, tell me about the first. What was the mindset of the first book and why did you want to write that?

It's funny. So over the course, at that point, I guess it was about 14 years of doing the radio show. I'm on every single major sports publishers email list. So every single time a new release comes out, we get a book. And, you know, I've read thousands and thousands of these books and never really ever dawned on me to want to write a book. I sit next to Howie Carpin at the Ranger games, and he's also the official scorer. So I run into Howie a lot at Met games when I'm covering Met games, and he's the official scorer. I had gotten this book and it was called Facing Mariano. And it basically was this book where a guy just interviewed, I'd say, about 100 players that face Mariano Rivera and just put their reflections of what it was to face Mariano, some of the things they did to prepare what made him so difficult. And my thing is I like to interview players. I'm not really first and foremost a writer. I'm more, I'll watch a game, I'll go into the locker room, I'll interview. So interviewing is more my thing. Howie Carpent is a very good writer. So I was sitting with Howie, I said, howie, you ever want to write a book again? Because he'd written a few, he said, yeah, I go, I have an idea. And at this point, it was the 10th anniversary of the NHL shootout, and I said, you know what we should do? We should do a book on the shootout. The history of the shootout, how it evolved from the penalty shot, you know, how it in international play, in the Olympics, you know, obviously Corey Hirsch against Forsberg, that's a big one. Different penalty shots in playoff games and how the rule came about and then how goalies prepare for it and how shooters prepare for it, and who has the advantage in that. And then we wanted to go a step further and talk to general managers and see if they could pick a player that they wanted on the roster just for shootouts and for Goalie, who would they be? And for coaches and such. So Howard thought it was a great idea. And it turned out being a perfect storm as the year we were doing it was a year the Rangers went to the Stanley cup finals. So every single round there were hundreds of scouts, hundreds of GMs up on the press box. And in between periods we could just go and interview them. Then it was fun tracking down the first penalty shot in a playoff game, speaking to Corey Hirsch about the, you know, that moment against Peter Forsberg in the Olympics. So that's how that book came about. We pitched it to a publisher, they liked the idea. They said, yep, go write it. And you know, my job was basically doing the interview. So that was a home run for me because it was just doing interviews.

And thinking of that. That's something different because I've never, you know, you would never think in a million years is somebody going to write about that. But there is a lot to talk about that. Like, like it's one on one. So you have the goalie who's there and it's always the goalie's fau fault when you lose the game, right? Doesn't everybody just look at the, you look at the goalie, that's his fault. But the goalie has to be so prepared and the goals and then, then the person taking the penalty shot. So it's, you have to think, okay, you're thinking before, am I going to go in fast? Am I going to slow down at the blue line? Am I going to go in with speed? Usually you might know the goalies weak spot. So sometimes that goalie will give you a little bit. Then all of a sudden they're so quick and they said to the, I, I've learned from, from guys that I played with and I might ask you this question if you ate your rent, but I was going to ask you, who do you think is the best penalty shot guy? Let's start with the, I mean, when it started we're talking penalty shot. Not, not even when it was in effect. But, but from back in the 80s, let's say 85 on, I've talked to a lot of people and this name comes up all the time. It's one of the best penalty shot people in the game.

Well, it's funny because the, the actual chapter was because of Pete Weber. You know, Pete Weber asked me at the end of interviewing him about it. He said, you know, if the game's on the line, who do you want as a shooter? Who do you want as the Goalie. And it was such a great question. We actually made it a chapter. And in speaking to all of the guys, and I'm pretty sure this is the name that you're probably going for, they basically all unanimously went with Mario Lemieux. And, you know, Craig Ludwig told me the best thing. He said that one time, you know, Mario got a step on him at the blue line, and Craig had jumped on his back. And he said Mario didn't even feel him. Went in with him on the back from blue line, in on a breakaway, made three moves with him on his back and still scored. So that's right. I go with. Mario is probably the best in one. You know, breakaways, boy.

Yeah. Going back in those days, there was, like, about 400 players plus in the league, and you picked it. And even through Today, there's like 800, I think. But you're right. Marielle Lemieux. And the reason I knew that is because I played in Tampa with Wendell Young, who played in Pittsburgh, and they used to do, you know, after practice, they'd play like, they'll do little shootouts, and they'll play. You know, we're on the air. Let's say they played for a steak dinner, and Mario was unbelievable. And it's hard. Like, usually a goalie should stop you nine out of 10 times or maybe eight out of 10 times. I don't know the exact percentage, but Mario, that's who. That. That was my choice. And that's what everybody said. Peter Taglio, Letty, who I played with in Tampa, said the same thing. They said there's. There's nobody even close to him. So. So you got. You got that? So tell me about the second book.

Well, before we move on to the second book, the most interesting answer to that question came from Glenn Sather. I asked Glenn, game on the line, who would that be? The player you want taking that penalty shot. And of course, I. You know, he's the general manager, coach of the Edmonton Oilers dynasty. I thought for sure he's going to go with Wayne. Even though Wayne was not a great shootout guy, a breakaway guy, I figured, how can you not say Wayne Gretzky? And he said, mike Bossi. And I was like. I said, glenn, you're the GM of the dynasty. How do you coach Mike Bozzi? He goes, no one was a better pure goal scorer than Mike Bossi. Three weeks later, I happened to be interviewing Mike Bossi, and I told him that. He said, yeah, how come he didn't pick me then? It was pretty funny that's funny.

That's a great story.

Yeah, it was, it was a lot of fun. The book was a lot of fun. So the second book was very interesting. So obviously when you able to pitch a book to a publishing company and they accept it and you get it done and it gets published and people buy it, there's a little more confidence, a little. You stand upright a little more when you're talking about the next project. So the next project was an absolute, absolute accident. And it was great because we were in the midst of downsizing. Both my kids are adults, are out of the house. We had a four bedroom house we're getting ready to sell. And when we first moved from Queens out to the island, I had this wall unit built in my house. And on top of the wall unit was this fake, like, reveal. And I had stored all my old Betamax tapes in there because at that point when we moved, Betamax was dead. And I had no idea what I was going to do with all these tapes. So we were there. When we were taking the wall unit down, I totally forgot about him. And all these Betamax tapes come crashing down on the ground. And I reach down and I pick up the first one. And the first one I pick up is 1985 New York Mets, opening day. And I'm saying to myself, oh, man, I just hope this is on there. I ran to the garage and I still had a Betamax. And this happened to be one week after Ralph Karner passed away. So I have this Met game. I get the Betamax. I spent like two hours trying to hook it up, because even the cables that used to hook up Betamax, not the same to the smart TVs, whatever. And I'm fast forwarding through the game, I'm fast forwarding, and there at the very end of the Met game is Kiner's Corner, which was a New York Post game staple here from all my childhood. And this was the one. Gary Carter happened to hit a home run to win the game. And the first thing Ralph Karner does, and because he's known for this, he always made mistakes. And he goes. Our guests today on Kaina's Corner are Gary Cooper, Mookie Wilson. So then he tries to explain himself out of, you know, making the mistake instead of just going on, he says, oh, Gary Cooper. He said, you know, I'm thinking of Gary Cooper because Glenn Close sang the national anthem and she's in the movie the Natural, which reminded me of Pride of the Yankees, which Gary Cooper was in. So it was just like this whole convoluted story of why he mispronounced Gary Carter. But I was thinking, you know, Kiner's Corner was such a big part of any Met fans DNA. And nothing had ever been written about Kiner's Corner, the actual show. So since it was on for three decades, I figured, let me track down 10 players from every decade that happened to be on Kyranard's Corner, what their remembrance was. It also had undergone various different set changes, which set they were on. They also gave out different Prizes going from $25 Getty Gas cards to leather jackets and just. And then speak to him about the reason they were on. So in speaking to a guy like Barry Lyons, he happened to be on Mother's Day and he was so happy. He had hit a home run on Mother's Day and he very, I think it might have been his only kind of corner appearance. And his parents had a satellite dish back home, so they were watching and he got to say happy Mother's Day to them. It was just really great stuff. So that's how that second project came about. And it was, it was called down on. It was really a lot of fun.

I love that everything's about a story. So book number three.

Book number three was another one that I had gotten inspiration from some of the books that we had gotten in the, in the mail for the show. And one of the other companies had done this series of Cubs by the numbers, Mets by the numbers, and they kind of just lumped the history of the team and players by number order. So no book has really done. Been extensively done on the entire Ranger history, you know, starting with every player and just a little snippet about every single player that ever worn the New York Ranger jersey. So it's called Rangers by the numbers. And it was not interview based. It was more a lot of research and just finding stories about games that these guys played and just little known facts about a lot of the players. It was ranges by the numbers. Not as fun as the other two for sure, but it was something the publisher wanted and it was something we did.

Well, I bet you don't know about number 18. Not that, I mean, come on, I was a, you know, career fourth liner.

And you're in the book.

I know I'm in the book, but why did I get. Why did I get number 18? I'm not sure if you know.

Oh, no, I don't know that.

Well, I'll make it two seconds. I wanted to wear number 20. Jan Erickson was. Was gone. I Just get traded from Tampa. And somebody said upstairs, Barry. Barry came down. Barry Watkins, at that time, he came down and said, you're going to wear number 18. And I said, why? He goes, because you are. And little did I know.

Wait, Wait a minute. Does this have anything to do with high.

It does. It does.

All right, there you go.

Wow. But nobody. But nobody know that. Not even a player. It won't. Anybody in history won't know that. But I was told, and I didn't even understand it at the time, like, why they would give me 18. Then it hit me, and then they. Then I was told. And then a kid interviewed me, a kid a guy went school with named Mike Rubin. He wrote for the. Oh, my gosh.

That.

That newspaper that was a little out there. It was a newspaper out of New York City. It wasn't the poster or the Wall Street Journal. It was, oh, my gosh, I can't think of it. And he wrote a story about me growing up, and he talked about 18. And he said, oh, I. I heard you had a wear number 18. I can't think. You don't talk about that. Was that magazine. That's really.

Was it the Dell? Was it the. The Village Voice?

Yeah, the Village Voice. It was the Village Voice. Yeah. Okay, next book here. Let's go to the next one.

All right. So the next book was up until Glove Story was my absolute favorite book. It was called before 94. And that was how. And I was sitting there, and we both trace our fandom to New York Rangers, back to that 7879 team. And over the course of the 14, 15 years doing the radio show, I. I've spoken to every single guy from that team. So I had contacts for every single guy that played on that seven. Well, I shouldn't say every single guy. Most all the stars. So I felt that it would be important that had that 94 team not won the Stanley cup. Because they were also, you know, from opening day, when Keenan showed you guys, the opening day of practice with Keenan showed the players the parade route. That was their goal. That they were expected, especially with mess. He was the missing piece. And, you know, they had not done well the year before, but that they were expected to win the Cup. The 7879 team never was expected to win the cup, let alone get to the finals. Never, you know, expected to beat the New York Islanders. So our argument was that 94 team lost. That 7879 team would probably be the most beloved team in Ranger history. So we wanted. And nothing's been written about that magical season. So we went about recapping the entire season, but also speaking to every single player on the team, which was cool. I was able to get in touch with every guy that played one or two games, including Dean Turner. So it was a lot of fun, A lot of fun speaking to him. Lots of great stories came out about it, doing the research, which is incredible. There actually is a very unique link from the 78, 79 team to the 94 team. So the book actually started with the end of the prior season where the Rangers lost to the Buffalo Sabres in the preliminary round in three games. The only game the Rangers won was an overtime game that Don Murdock scored a goal in. Before the overtime, however, a woman gave birth at Madison Square Garden and it was in between the Ranger locker room and the ice. So I had to track this lady down. As it turns out, the woman, her son is an NHL agent who actually this client is Brian Leach. So his sister was born at the 78, you know, Madison Square Garden. And later on in life, you know, he had clients on the 94 cup winning team. Another great story Pat Hickey told me in the Islander series, he went across after the morning skate to the bank and he walked in on an armed robbery and he thought he was going to die. They left the robbers, no one got hurt, but he was so happy to be alive. He said that when he was skating the pregame skate, he was in this total different zone they had ever been in. Just some really cool stories that came out. You know, Pat Hickey told me about Fred Shiro stories that I didn't know. It just brought more insight to my favorite team. And it was a really, really fun project.

I like that. Like I said, everything's about a story. And sometimes the backstory or the story that you hear later, it's like, holy smokes. I. I didn't know that. And I'm sure you probably after you wrote the book, I'm sure there was even probably more stories that, that come out because certain people, I'm sure you have guys that talk and you don't have to tell me who. And there's other guys that you know that you can call them mouth, New York, their mouth would be going. And you have some guys that won't say a word. And I've been around players like that.

Right.

So we have another book, last one, right.

Two more actually. So the next one was Glove Story. And it's interesting because the 79 book sells the most of any of these books. I Don't know why. And I'm saying to myself, I said, this is one team 40 some odd years ago, one fan base. It's amazing to me that it keeps selling. I said, if we do something more universal, I think the sales will be even better. So we pitched this idea called Glove Stories. Father Sons and the American Pastime. I had coached my son in travel ball from the time he was 9 till the time he was 18. Nine years traveling the country, various tournaments, different stadiums that we played in. And I felt that that father son bond is somewhat universal to people that coach Little League or coach travel teams. But we also wanted to speak to the fathers and sons that made it in the majors, like Maury and Bump Wills, the Griffeys, the Boones, the Bells. So we used my experiences with my son in travel baseball. But he was also turning 30. So I wanted for the first time in my life to actually play on a team with him. And this goes back. It's funny how these little things, you know, set a little germ, you know, illuminate in your mind for years. When I moved out to Long Island, I joined the nnha, which was a National Novice Hockey Association. It was a league run by Gordie Howe. And the first eight weeks you trained to play hockey. And on week nine, Gordy and Marty Howe came down to give a clinic. And I actually played in this clinic on a line with, you know, Mark, with Gordy and Marty Howe. And it's funny, whenever I see Mark Howe at the press box, I said, you know, you're the only how that I've never skated on a line with. But I thought it was so cool that the two of them were teammates and they were able to do that professionally and the Griffeys were able to do that, the McCraes were able to do that. So kind of as a running theme through the book, Josh and my experiences form the spine of the father son relationship. So for his 30th birthday, I took him down to Met Fantasy Camp and we played on a team together. And it was the single greatest experience I've ever had at Met Fantasy Camp ever. Being a teammate with him, it was my worst statistical year ever down there. But couldn't care less. It was just the joy of seeing him out on the field again, you know, playing the game he loved growing up and being a teammate of his. And fast forward to the end of camp, he actually won the batting title there. So he got this huge trophy and it was just a lot of fun. So it was really. That was a rewarding book for me. It's interesting because I think any father that's coached his son in travel ball would find it very interesting. Yeah.

Can I call you George Plimpton? Most people probably don't even know who that is.

Yeah. Wow. You know what? You just nailed it, because, you know, I can send you a picture. Next to my five books are the entire collection of George Plimpton. Yeah. Because George Plimpton is my idol. He immersed himself open net, you know, he also took batting practice at an all Star game. He also played for the Detroit Lions. Yeah, George Plimpton's my idol. It's funny you say that.

That's funny. That's really funny. Okay, so tell me about the last book.

All right, so the last book, over the course of the 15 to 16 years doing the radio show, one of the things I found universal, that whenever you speak to an athlete and you ask them about that first game, those memories are so vivid. I remember Jim Lewitz even telling me what the weather and the temperature was that day. Just the vivid memories they have of their first. So being a Ranger fan and having that database of phone numbers, we wanted to do a book called you never forget your first, the collection of New York Rangers first. And we talk about the first day they got drafted, or their first hockey idol, the first time on Madison Square Garden ice, their first playoff game, their first goals, the first time they were traded, the first time they returned to Madison Square Garden. So we interviewed 61 former New York Rangers to do that book. And that was. That was awesome. It was, you know, people, you know, Sean Avery was unbelievable. You. You tell a great story. Tommy Laidlaw, the day he was drafted, he basically said he was in a. A stables, you know, shoveling horse crap when he found out that he was drafted. So a lot of fun. You know, Dave Maloney's first fight in the NHL, he got into three fights in the same game against the same guy. And, yeah, I said, dave, I said, really? So what did you have against the guy? You say, I could beat him up. That's why I went with him two other times. So. But it was really great stories. Dave Maloney, you also talked about the first time he was on David Letterman. You had, you know, just so many different people. Sean Avery talking about his first movie role. Actually, before he was a Ranger, he played a New York Ranger in a movie. Lots of fun. Mike Richter talking about that Stanley cup game. And the second he got to touch the Stanley Cup. So one of my Favorite projects as well. And now I'm working on the same type of book for the New York Mets.

Oh, that's great. So a lot of great stories. I remember we had, I played with Dean Kennedy and he grew up. He. In fact, a funny story with Dean, and I'll tell it quick because I want to just wrap up and I want, you know, I want people to know where they can get, get some of your books. But Dean Kennedy grew up on a farm and the closest grocery store was 60 miles away. He's a farmer. In fact, his father told him, you're playing 10 years in the NHL, which that was his goal. You're quitting, you're not playing any, you're coming back to work at the farm. And he's doing that today. Well, I was a young kid playing on the Sabers with him and he was telling me that New York was just too big for him. He played for, for the Rangers. It was just not him. So Buffalo was more of his style or a smaller town. Then he starts talking to me about farming. And I said, well, the only difference is you don't get a great workout or how do you feel? Because he farmed in the summertime. One of the guys that just took his summers and his dad made him.

Work on the farm.

So I said, oh, that's great. But when you do your workout, he goes, before we, we start. I go, what do you mean? We start at 4:00am I start my workout, I'm done by 6:30, we're done by 3:00 clock and we farm. I go, wow. I said, you get a good workout in the farming. He says, well, come on down. And I opened my mouth, you know, like, yeah, sure, call me, I'll come. He goes, you promise? He goes, I'll tell Dad. I said, sure, give me a call in the summer. Well, month, end of the summer, Dean calls me, says, hey, we have a plane ticket for you. I said, what do you mean? He goes, yeah, well, we get up at 4am we'll do our Buffalo saber workout and then we'll farm all day. I said, oh, Dean, I don't know. I don't know. Hey you. Hey, on the farm, your word is your word. And you gave me your word you're coming down. So that's, that's. And I don't know if you ever interviewed Dean, but he's a, he's a hard nose, tough guy. Played with the Rangers when back in the day. Real tough guy.

That's a great story.

Yeah. So everything, everything's a story. Everything's a backstory. Mark, I've always enjoyed talking to you, listening to you. I know you have. I don't want to announce it now. Get in trouble. I know you have plans to. I'm not going to announce it, but I. People should be aware that you're going to be doing a lot more in sports with some big name guys. I'm not going to say it because I didn't ask your approval. So we'll leave it there. I'm also want to hear where, where people can actually, actually get a copy of your book because I have two of your books here in my library, you know, thanks to you. And please share with everybody where can we get your books and tell us.

A little bit about it so we can get all of them on Amazon or if they want an autograph copy. Feel free to friend request me on Facebook or at sportstalkny on Twitter DM me and instant message me. I'd be happy to send copies autographed, personalized, along with a video message if you so choose as well that we're all about connecting with our audience as well. And that that's, you know, I'll never forget Steve Zeppe who covered the Rangers for many years when we, when Howie and I were first in the first process and I know that Steve had written a couple of books. He says you never do it for the money. It's just about, you know, connecting with the fan base and you know, being able to have conversations with the fan bases. So that's what we enjoy. We enjoy people reaching out on Facebook or on Twitter. We kind of want to use social media for that. The good, the good things about social media not toxic zone it's become these days.

Well, you know what I love about all your books? Like it's everything is of course it's a story. It's like hey, the story of all the numbers of the players or, or before 94 or the Mets. And it's not so much the game because we could go back and watch games. I mean we don't. You said the beta and the videos we don't have remember used to plug the vhs. But it's, it's great to hear the behind the curtain, behind the scenes. Those are the things that I think makes sports and if you talk to any player, I can't say speak for every player. I mean but if you, if you talk to 90 of the players, they'll tell you they don't miss the game as much as they miss the, the players the fans, the stories, the guys. And I think we're privileged that you can put all this into several different books. And please don't stop writing because I know they love you in New York. Mark Roseman, Great, great to have you. And I'm going to announce, not now, maybe in a month, two or three, the big plans you have to that you're going to be bringing out to many, which everybody will love. Great having you. Thanks again.

Totally appreciate it. Mike, speak to you soon. Thanks so much.

Thank you.

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