Patrick Quinlivan - Irish Dancer- How He Worked To #4 In The World!

Mike Hartman, performance mindset strategist. This is Develop the Mindset of a Champion with former Stanley cup champion Mike Hartman. Welcome to another episode.

Today.

My guest is Patrick Quinlibon. Patrick is a former Irish dancer, one of the best in the world, and I've known Patrick for a long time, since he was a little kid. Patrick, so great to have you here today.

Oh, thank you so much. It's great to be here as well, too.

So we do this thing called stories to develop a mindset of a champion, and the listeners would really love to hear your story.

Sure. Absolutely. Yeah. So I'll start right at the beginning. So I was born in New York. My parents born to Irish parents. My mom immigrated from Ireland, and my dad was born in New York, but his parents were from Ireland as well, too. And I lived in the Bronx up until I was about 5 years old or so. And after that, my dad's job got moved to Charlotte, North Carolina, which is where I ended up moving to and growing up and where I went to high school and things like that. Now, over the course of growing up, I would say one huge aspect of my life was Irish dance, as you had mentioned at the beginning. And I began Irish dancing when I was probably about five or six years old. There was a local dance school that opened up right in the area as we moved down. And I started taking lessons as I was about 6 years old or so. And I would say, you know, kind of at the beginning, I wasn't that serious about Irish dance. I think I enjoyed going because I had a lot of friends. I enjoyed, you know, running out of class afterwards and then going out to play football or soccer in the field that we had out in the. And the back and stuff like that. But, you know, you know, when you're. When you. When you're born into an Irish family, you almost. You almost always have to take Irish dance lessons at some point in your life. So it was just. It was just something that I did at that point. But, you know, as I started to get older, I started to realize that, you know, I could be good at this. I remember, I think there was one day when I was about 13, 12, 13 years old, I had this sort of revelation that if, you know, I practice and I work really hard, I think I could be good at this. And I just, you know, you know, kept with it and which is, you know, what I kind of. What I tried to kind of go for. So I started working, started training. I started, you know, implementing other things that I could do. That would help my dance career. So my guy started training with you as well, too, and it all ended up paying off. I would say I had a pretty successful Irish dance competitive career. The highest I placed was four fourth at the world Championships. I placed as high as third at the national championships. And I had won eight regional championships as well, too. And now I competed right up until I was about 21 or 22, which is most of the time when people tend to, you know, stop their competitive Irish dance career. And at that point, there's usually two sort of career paths that you can go if you want to stick with Irish dance. One path is to go into shows on Broadway, such as Riverdance or Lord of the Dance, and there's plenty of other show opportunities that you can go into. And then the other path that you want to stay involved is to start teaching. And I decided to go with the teaching path. So I worked really hard, studied for many months, and obtained my teaching certification and began teaching. And I've been teaching ever since. Now, in addition to Irish dance, I also was pretty good in school. I went to the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, where I got my Bachelor's of science in chemistry. And then after graduating, I moved to New York City, where I obtained my PhD in chemistry from Columbia University. And after moving to New York, I started teaching with the Lynn o' Georetti Quinlan Academy of Irish Dance. So L, O G Q, or it's the acronym that we go by. And I've been teaching there ever since. And we've had lots of success since I've been there. We've had a world champion, a national champion.

We've.

We've had numerous regional championships and solos. And in addition to that, I've also helped kickstart our team program. So we've had numerous regional titles and national titles and our team dancing. So that's sort of my story in a nutshell, I guess you could say.

Well, quite a resume. Now, I'm not sure if you remember this, but do you remember how we met?

I think it was through a trainer that worked for the New York Rangers. Right. It was Murph. Right.

Well, we did, but we didn't, because we had. When I was talking to your father, I enjoyed many great conversations with your. With your mother and father. And going back, it was Dr. Scott Green Apple in Charlotte, because at that time he knew I was doing mindset training. And then we added the physical part in. Yes, I have a couple of these Irish dancers I want you to meet. And I said, sure, So I met you, and there was somebody else that came in. I can't remember who, who she was. So the two of you came in, and I said, well, of all, like, what is Irish dancing? I. I heard about it. I didn't know about it, and I wanted to see it. So I said, give me a demonstration. So you had the fastest feat I've.

Ever seen in my life. Thanks, I appreciate it. Yeah.

So I looked at it, and then I said to you, it's important if you really want to do this, because at the training center, we train hard. At that time, we had major league ball players coming in. We had hockey players, we had young athletes, we had corporate America people that just wanted to stay in shape and go through the whole performance life program. And I said, it takes a lot of time. You have to remember that. It takes effort. And if you say you want it, that's one thing, but do you really want it? And you looked me right in the eyes and said, I want to be one of the best in the world. I said, okay, let's start. And we started. And in the beginning, we worked on your conditioning, we worked on your mind, and we did some imagery. I think we talked about that before, about some of the imagery that we did.

That's right. Yeah.

And you made it, and you had. You were coachable. And this is why I want to people to understand, because you had a really good plan going in. So do you. Do you have a plan for. For, like, with what you're doing now in your everyday life? Have you taken what you've done with us and. Because, you know, everything was about a plan going.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I. If there was. I would say if there's one of the biggest things that I learned from Irish dance, it's about how to set up a routine and how to stick to that routine that you have and apply that to almost any. Anything you have in your life. So I would say, for example, with Irish dance, I knew what my routine needed to be for when I was training for the international championships or the world championships. I had dance class three to four times a week. I knew that I had to practice at home in addition, on top of that, and I knew that I needed to do some cross training as well, too. So a big part of that was training with you, Mike. And then also as well, too, I knew I needed to eat a proper diet, eat an athlete's diet and stay in shape that way. So that was definitely the biggest thing that Irish dance has taught me, is how to stick with that routine. And that transfers to almost every, you know, part of my life as well too. You know, an example I'll give you is school. I remember one of the hardest classes that you have to take when you're a chemistry student is organic chemistry. And I remember the first month of that class, I had no idea what I was doing. I. And then I kind of sort of told myself, all right, let me calm down, let me try and figure out what my routine was. And my routine was. There was problems in the back of the book. I had to take those problems out of the back of the book. I had to do those two, three times. I had to go see the teacher on office hours every Tuesday at 4 o' clock or whatever time it was. And I had a study group as well too. And that's how I got through that class. That's how I was able to get A's in that organic chemistry class is by sticking to that routine and working through it.

So, so that's what we discussed. We talk about a plan, and that's exactly it. So when you came in, your plan was just to be number one in the world, but we had to really implement something with structure. And this is the case with a lot of people. I talk to people on all walks of life. So we could apply Irish dance to working in corporate America or applying it to, to being a dentist, whatever it is. Because you need to really be focused in on that structured plan. And when you came to us, I don't know if it was that structured. It was more of the plan of making it, but we needed something behind it. And anytime we have an athlete that comes to us or somebody, let's say, in real estate, and I'm thinking off the top of my mind, we recently had somebody come to us and said. So I asked him, what is your plan? Well, the plan is to sell as much real estate as possible and make six figures out of the gate as they just finished their real estate exam. And I said, you know, that's not a true plan. A plan is what's something that you just talked about. A plan is setting up these, these structured programs in place. The plan is to get up in the morning and take care of your mind, body, even eating well, even a realtor has to do that, or a dentist or any athlete because you have to take care of your mind, body or you're going to be tired. And who wants to buy from a tired salesperson? Or how can you perform an Irish dance if you're tired? And then you talked about the structured plan as far as, okay, I'm going to really understand what I'm doing. You really took that chemistry by storm. You took the bull by the horn because you were prepared. And part of that plan is really preparing, whether it's knowing I'm just throwing this out in real estate. What is encroachment, understanding it really well and being the best at it. So give us advice of like, okay, you were one of the best in the world. What bit of advice can you give to somebody who works in corporate America to being an athlet? Like, how do you become one of the best in the world?

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So, I mean, having that plan, I think is super, super important. But I think another big aspect of that is I think you have to, you have to embrace that plan and I think you have to really, you know, fall in love with the process of doing that. There was one Irish dancer who recently had passed away, and I remember that that was one thing that he had, he had always talked about is you have to fall in love with that process. You know, it's, you know, it might be frustrating here and there, but, but, but really enjoying and really embracing that plan. Falling in love with each aspect of everything that you do, and know that that's how you get to your ultimate goal. So I think that's just as important as following your routine is falling in love with the, you know, the process of what's involved and how you can get there. That's ultimately how I think you'll achieve your goal.

Well, for the people that don't know you, because I know you very well, you were a champion out of the gate because you were the type of kid that said, I'm going to do whatever I can to make it. I asked you about, I remember because we go through some of these mindset activities and you told me that no matter what, you don't want to go out on the weekends. You didn't care about any of that stuff. You cared about school and you cared about being the best Irish dancer in the world and whatever it took. So then we got into the physical side. So I always recommend nowadays, because we, we don't do training and we always want to refer people out to somebody that's a good trainer in that area or they should find one. But that's so important, no matter what you do is feeling good. I work with some people at the major banks and I always tell them to make sure your diet is in place, make sure you're and Find a dietitian. I'm not the dietitian. Find a good trainer. I'm not a trainer now. Find somebody that's going to be good, so it's going to be able to really help you. And that's going to go into our rituals. So when you were. We talked about this with. The rituals were something that I call as habitual. I talk about that a lot on our show because people retain 10% of the things they hear. And I really want people to understand the plan, rituals, and goals. So the ritual. We talked about it earlier. You did some imagery.

Yes. Okay.

Share with us that story.

Sure. Absolutely.

Yeah.

And this goes back to something that I learned from you. I remember the first day we did it, and I thought, this is crazy. I was like, what are we doing here? But I remember we finished a training session one day, and you had me just lie down on the yoga mat, and you told me, just close your eyes. Right? You know, try and relax your mind for a second. And all I want you to do is I want you to imagine yourself, you know, winning the world championships or achieving your goal or whatever it is that you. That you want. And we turned off the lights, and we used it as part of our recovery. And I was like, okay, all right, whatever. I'll buy into this. I'll go for it. I remember we did it a few times. And after that, my mindset, as I approached all my different classes, I felt was kind of different. I felt like I had a little bit more pep on my step every time I went into train or to practice or to dance or anything like that. And that ended up turning into one of my rituals. Is any night before a major competition, whether it was the nationals or the Worlds or regionals, wherever it was. The night before, as I was lying in bed, I would lie in bed and I would visualize myself as best as I possibly could, getting up on the stage, trying to make it as realistic as possible. I was, you know, I was in my. My outfit, my shoes were on, the music was playing. You know, the crowd is out there, you know, visualizing every single thing to make it as realistic as possible. And I go through each one of my dance routines, and I'm thinking about, all right, what do I need to think about in this part? What do I need to think about in this part? What do I have to do right here? I bow, I walk up the stage. I literally go through the whole day. I change my shoes. I get up there for my second round, third round, and stuff like that. So that ended up turning into one of my rituals is sort of that self visualization or self, you know, imagery. And it's something that I've kind of kept with my entire life. And, you know, it's. If I have a goal, that's. I try and imagine myself achieving that goal and meditating on it.

So if you can't see it, this is what we share with people. If you can't see yourself being a champion, nobody else will. And when you came to us, absolutely, yeah. You had that energy. You had that why you walked into the facility and said, I'm going to make it. That. That was your words. Word choices are very important. They. People laugh. You could look in the mirror and talk to yourself. Everybody talks to themselves. I'll pause for a minute. See, you talk to yourself. You just said, I don't talk to myself. I'm trying to be funny at the same time, Patrick. But that's true.

You.

It's important that you see yourself being the game, winning the game, playing big. If it's an athlete preparing for a meeting, no matter what you do, you could apply everything within being a champion into your. Your work life and anything you do in the world. And the imagery came. I. I wish I could take credit for this, but I worked with Dr. David Medford from the University of Tennessee, and I did this on one of my shows. I actually stopped everything that we were doing. We had a chef on that was Chef Clemenza. He was on the third season of Hell's Kitchen, and he would get nervous anytime Chef Ramsay was around. And I said, here's what I want you to do. I want you to close your eyes. I said, and imagine you have gold paint from head to toe on your body. And he keeps interrupting me. I said, don't interrupt me. Let me finish. You have gold paint from head to toe, and that means your skin can't breathe. In some cases, they say you could die, but I'm not a doctor. I can't get into that. So you have this. So you're.

You're.

Think about it. You're. You're painted in the gold paint. And then stand up, go to a quiet area where you're not going to be distracted. This could be before a meeting. This could be before anything that. That we do. And imagine that gold paint coming off your body, slowly coming off. And then when it completely comes off, you're ready to be the game. And that's what I tell people.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I do the same thing. At work as well, too. If I know that I have to give a big presentation in front of people, that's kind of what I imagine. You know, as I'm practicing it, I'll practice it in front of the mirror and I. And I think about, you know, you know, how people are going to react when they see this. Everyone has a positive reaction, so. Absolutely. And that's. That's sort of my way of doing it is, you know, going to that quiet place, thinking about it, relaxing, getting in the zone, and then. And then going forward.

Well, the next thing we're going to talk about is goals. So we talk about these goals. Like, tell us what your goal was when you finally made it. Was it winning the champion? Was it winning world champion? What was that goal? Going into things?

Sure. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, I would say the way that Irish dance itself is organized, it's, you know, every year is sort of different. So usually I would set for myself yearly goals and then from there everything but sort of adjust. So as I was coming up, my. My first. When I remember when I first came to you, my goal was I wanted to be a world champion. I wanted to be the best that I could, and that was something that I would work towards. And then we put a plan together and stick with that plan. And then once you're there, you know, once you kind of reach that certain level and you want to. Want to, you know, you've won a competition and you know that you're going to keep winning that competition because you're just at that level. I would almost set like load of mini goals for myself. Of. All right, let me see if I can work harder today in practice than I ever have before. And those sort of little mini goals that I would set myself are what helped keep me at that top level when I was working towards it. So, so, so for me, it was always. I had that big yearly goal. All right, I want, you know, at least this place at the nationals, this place at the world, and then almost on a. On a weekly or daily basis, I would set little mini goals for myself to help keep me motivated.

I'm going to simplify it a little bit because that was great. So I did teach you a little bit, and I'm sure you learned from many, but that is. So we call it mini goals. I'm going to call it a measurable goal. And I talk a lot about that on the show because I want people to really understand what is a goal. So the measurable goal is something that's attainable, those mini goals. I'm going to steal that from you, Pat. Okay, I, I, I've never used that word, mini goals, but I like it. So I'm going to take that, we're going to take little mini goals that are achievable and that's what you did. Okay. I want to be, I want to. If you ran the mile in 10 minutes, if you ran it in six minutes and 30 seconds, okay, I'm going to improve each time. So if you ran it in 6 minutes and 30 seconds, I want to get to 6 minutes and 15 seconds.

Exactly, exactly. And that was one way, that was one thing that kept me motivated as well too is, you know, working towards that big goal. Absolutely, yeah.

So then, then, then we have, so I love that, the mini goals. But then, so I changed it a little bit. But that doesn't mean that Mike Hartman's right. I mean some people have many goals and that, I call it the vision goal. So then you have the measurable goal and then we have short term goals which is three months out. So I remember when you came in and we were about three or four months away from Worlds but I said, we're not going to get to Worlds today, it's going to be three months. So the goal is to each day improve our times, improve our mindset, improve all these little things in detail. So when we're ready for the big dance, we're going to be on our game. And, and that's how you prepared. So those were, we call those like short term goals. And the vision goal is I'm going to be the world champion. And you were pretty close. You're a champion in my eyes.

Yeah, I was, yeah, I was close for it. So, yeah, listen, fourth or fifth or.

20Th year, we're talking in the world, we're talking a lot of people. But what people have to understand is you just didn't come in and you had this idea of a plan. We just had to help you adjust that plan a little bit and you just took it really to the next level. And it's funny, I don't know if you know this, but I had about 10 or 12 or more Irish dancers after you. They said you helped Patrick get to number one. Will you be my life coach? And will you also help us on the physical side? Well, I didn't do the physical side as much and I loved everybody that came in and I said they, they just didn't have, except your, actually your brother and sister were pretty good. They're pretty they had a big brother to look up to.

Yes, exactly. Yeah.

So they, I, I can't, I, you know, I have to keep in the back of my mind I watched them and they were both pretty good too. But I remember that I used to say, listen, I can't guarantee that because it's one thing to want to be the best in the world, but it's another thing to want to put the time and put the energy and study it, understand it. And you could hear it in your voice. You had passion for it. And without that passion, it's not going to happen. And I could tell right away if somebody sends. We used to work with a lot of dentists and realtors and people in corporate America and you could tell right away if they're going to do well because it's all about the good energy that they bring in. And if they're bringing in negative energy right away, we want to help that. We're not going to write anybody off, but we understand that we really have to make sure the number one thing is energy. And you brought that good energy in right away. Right the first day we met you.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. But I mean, like I think I mentioned this as well too is I love the process of that as well too. So it was easy for me to embrace that. So, yeah.

So you're doing this. So tell us a little bit about your life in New York City. Tell us about your job and where are you now with your job. And you said you do apply a lot of of the same methods that we have learned in your Irish dance to what you're doing in your real job today. Share that with all the listeners.

Sure. Yeah, absolutely. So I moved to New York probably about seven years ago and as I said, I went to Columbia University where I got my PhD in chemistry. And then after that I looked at find a job in the chemical industry and I currently work for BASF and I live here in Westchester. And you know, it's almost every aspect of, you know, going to get my PhD, working towards my PhD, looking to find a job. You know, now that I have my job, you know, keeping up with everything, it's all different things that I've learned from my understand. So I'll give you one example is I remember when I was looking to find my first job, I, you know, you would think if you had a PhD in chemistry, it'd be easy enough to get a job. But it took me about six months before I started to get callbacks and stuff like that. And you Know, I started to kind of think about, all right, let me think about my training. Let me think about how would I approach this if it was Irish dance or if it was something else. And you know, I sat down, started, you know, made myself little mini goals of, you know, all right, let me apply to two jobs here today, I'm gonna do two more tomorrow and two more, you know, two days from now or something like that. And just kind of working at heart. Always, always chipping away and stuff like that. And even when I went for job interviews, that was, you know, I started doing some of the self imagery or, and things like that as well too. All right, let me think about how I'm going to say this. What am I going to say? What am I wearing? You know, you know, things like that. So almost everything that I've learned in Irish dance I've been able to apply to my real life work and it's. And I've been successful in it and it's really helped me become the person that I've been today.

I had people yell at me and I'll tell you why. So I'm working with a company and we're doing our performance coaching and someone and I would say, I want you to have the mindset of a champion and I want you to think like an athlete, like a world class athlete. And a couple of people said, I hate sports. It has nothing to do with sports. I just want you to have the mindset. Let me explain. Sometimes they didn't even let me explain. I had to finally say, hey, let me, give me a minute and I'll explain. But it's everything that you said. It's the focusing on the littlest things in details and having that mindset going into something that, okay, this is what I need to do, no matter what it is. So now after a while, they understand. They say, I understand that. But I said, that's how a world class athlete is different than everybody else. People used to ask me, what's the difference between a minor league player and there's some great minor league players. And sometimes people are stuck in the minors, whether it's baseball or it could be hockey. But let's take baseball for an example. What's the difference between a shortstop in the Miners and Derek Jeter? I said, well, Derek Jeter took thousands and thousands of ground balls and he was never, he was always happy, but he was never satisfied. So he was always happy. And I could play a little something for Derek right now.

Very nice.

So Derek was always, always prepared he always had his mind now, as he. What I learned was as he made it and he played 20 years, he. He thought about recovery. So it's recovery. It's not. We could talk about recovery as a baseball player. So what he did was he. He was the first one off the field. And someone could say, mike, are you talking out of both sides of your mouth? I'm saying no. But what he did was he saved himself. He. He built up that recovering energy so he could perform as he got older. So it wasn't like he was the first one on, the last one off. When he was out there, he gave a hundred percent of everything that he had within himself. And that's what it's important for people to understand, is to have that good recovery. Sometimes we have people that want to work and work and work and work. Eventually they're going to get burnt out.

Oh, my God. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm so happy you said that as well, too, because that's something I try and preach to all the kids that I teach as well, too. You know, it's. You know, there's. You get nothing out of doing, we'll say, a particular step or dance ten times. Halfway decent. That, that gets you good at doing something halfway decent. Like you are better off doing. Quality over quantity. Go out there, give it a hundred percent, do it right once or two times, and then you can move on. And you'll get so much more out of that than spending hours doing something halfway, you know, so.

That's so true. And, and that's. It's, it's better to give everything you have. Now, let's not. There's another, there's another example here that sometimes I have parents with just. In the sports world say, hey, my son was in the batting cages for four hours. I said, well, believe it or not, that's going to make them worse. My son was on the ice for eight hours. I said, oh, that's going to make him worse. And they're looking at me with, like, two heads. And I said, the reason is because they're going to develop bad habits. Just like an Irish dance. You can't Irish dance. I'm not an Irish dance expert. Except I thought of you when I went to see the Rockettes.

Yeah.

I don't. They had that. They had great quick feet, too. So I went to see the Rock. It was pretty amazing. In New York City. We went. We went last year. But. But the, the point is, it's that you can't expend all your energy. And if you do the same thing like an Irish dance over and over. Eventually your legs get tired, your mind gets tired. You're going to set yourself up for injury or you're going to set yourself up for bad habits.

Absolutely. Yep.

So that's, that's something that, that we learn. And now even in, in the world, to the real world, sometimes we don't have a choice. People have deadlines, they have to get their work in. But the more recovery have, the better. So do you have. I have a couple stories. I have a couple Patrick stories. Okay, but do you have, do you have a favorite story that you could share with our listeners that could, that can give us some good share, like one of your championship stories? We love to hear it.

Oh, let me see. I think you know what it was. I mean, I think I'll share the story of when I got fourth at the World Championships. So it was also special to me because you could almost say that. So with Irish dance, the World championships always moves around to different venues and stuff like that. And this one happened to be in County Clare in Innis, which is, funny enough, the county that my mom is from. So all my family was able to be there. And at the time, I knew I was working hard, I was training, but I had no idea of how well I was going to end up doing. To me, in my mind, I just kind of went out there and gave it the best that I had had. And I'll never forget the way they announced the awards and the scores in Irish dances. They put it up on the big sort of screen that they have in the room, and they go through all the individual scores, and I just remember them calling out those different scores. And I had gotten a second place, and then I got in a third place. And I just remember being like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe this is actually happening, you know, and it's because of all that hard work that I did and then just turning around and seeing, you know, my mom was just crying because she was so happy and my dance teachers were crying, and it was so funny. It was. One of my dance teachers was, was crying and. And there was another parent that was sitting there and they thought that that person was my mom because she was so happy. So. But I mean, and it was just. And you know what it was from that point forward, it kind of gave me the confidence to know that, you know, what this is. I, you know, if I set my mind to anything, I can do this. And, you know, that was just, just for me at Irish dance. But I realized many years later it was. That wasn't just Irish dance. It was. I think if I set my mind to anything I could, I could almost do anything else in life that I tried to do.

Well, you played into this perfect. And we didn't even talk about this. I can't exaggerate this. So when you are finally that, that's a great story, by the way, and that's something you'll take with you for the rest of your life. That's something that you'll always hang on because that's the feeling you get when you win. It's not just about winning a medal, but it's about all that hard work that you put in. And you said, boy, now I'm ranked. I'm being one of the best in the world. I'm a champion. And all the times that your parents, you know, took you to lessons and yes, your father scraped every dime to help you because I remember some of the stories and, and talking to your, to your mother and everything that you did, you could look back the rest of your life and nobody could ever take that from you. And that's what part of being a champion is. It's not about, like I said, just winning that championship. It's about winning. I remember I was watching here, this was 1994 week with the New York Rangers and they, they're having it on non stop and msg and they showed the parade and I was ready to cry. My girlfriend said, yeah, she said I had tears in my eyes because I was watching some of the players. It was a hot day. I'll never forget that day. Just for so much that happened, it was, it was a crazy day and it was like 90 degrees and Mayor Giuliani was giving us the key to the city, which I gave to my son as a kid. And I. She said, does it ever get. Don't you ever get bored of this? I said, no, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly. I know, I know because I remember that feeling that I had as well, too. And, you know, that's. That's what I would use to motivate me sometimes if I was having a rough day or, you know, wasn't getting it done. You know, I just go back to that feeling in that place, you know.

Well, I was going to tell a Patrick story and we'll conclude with this because I tell people it's just not about everything you do you should give your best at. I know there's a lot of things I'm not good at, but when I Do it. I should give 100%. And I've used this line. I have to say it slow because someone said, I don't understand. Let's say you're tired, don't feel good, or you're sick and you had to go into your competition, or you're going to a meeting and you only have, like, 60% in your body because you don't feel good, but you still have to give 100% of that 60%, no matter what it is. So someone said, can you please explain that slower? And I said, that's probably the best. That's best way I could explain it. But I'm gonna tell this quick story. So I remember you are finally done with the Irish dancer. Was nowhere else to go except to help and lead people, which you are a great leader, by the way. And just, you know, there was nothing to do. So I get a call from you, and you say, can you show me how to train like a hockey player so I can get bigger?

That's right. I don't.

I don't forget anything. I said, well, I could help you. I said, I'm not really doing a lot of the training, but let me give you a program. Let's figure something out. And you stuck to it like there was no tomorrow, because you wanted. Now you were done with the Irish dance. Now you want to increase your strength. You want to put some size on. It was time to you to do whatever you wanted. And you had the same work ethic as you did when you were in Irish Dance. So that, to me, says a lot about you. Patrick. Patrick, it's been so great having you on the show. I enjoyed it, and it's always great catching up with you.

Oh, thank you so much. It's great catching up with you too, Mike. Thanks again.

Thank you.