4 Jun 2026 · 1 min
Mike Hartman, a former NHL player, argues that a clear outcome should guide you like a north star, but not consume your daily focus. He breaks success into daily wins: preparation, recovery, mindset, consistency. When you nail the process, the outcome follows naturally.
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Welcome to the Healthy Mindset App Podcast, where host Mike Hartman, a performance coach and former professional athlete, brings his passion to help athletes and workplace athletes achieve their dreams and goals while being mindful of everything else in life. Mike also uses this platform to share his targeted assessment application, Healthy Mindset course, meditation, and goal-setting technique for the athlete and workplace athlete. We're glad you're here. Now let's dive headfirst into this episode of the Healthy Mindset App Podcast. Here's your host, Mike Hartman.
Welcome back to another episode, and today I'm going to talk about what we hear a lot nowadays is the outcome and don't focus on the outcome. Uh, Kobe Bryant, when you read his book, he never thought about the outcome, but I guarantee you as a player growing up, his vision was to play in the NBA. He wanted to win a championship. So I'm just gonna try to clarify things. I'm never saying that anybody's wrong. I hear people say, don't even think about the outcome, focus on the process. But I'm gonna tell you some things that helped me and some of the experience that, that I have had along the way. And the number one thing is, if I didn't have a vision when I was young, I never would have made it in sports. I had a vision of playing in the NHL as a kid. My dream was to play one game. And I told my parents, hey, I want to play one game in the NHL. And my mother would say, well, you're focusing on school now. If you're good enough, it's going to happen. But right now you need to focus on school every day. You need to go to college. You need to, you know, to think about the future. And what was that? That's still the outcome. So I still believe, like, number one, have a vision. You need something to shoot for. I use the analogy, if you're playing soccer or you're playing a sport and you take the goals away, it's boring. There's nothing to shoot for. So we always need something to shoot for. And I was on that Stanley Cup team in 1994 with the New York Rangers, and the first day of training camp, Mike Keenan took about 30 of us into a room, all of our players, and including players that were, uh, gonna possibly play for the team that year, or maybe be up and down. But I remember there was 30 of us in there. In fact, we had a neutral site game in England for the exhibition. So we had 2 games against the Toronto Maple Leafs in England. It was 1993. So early 1993, we were going to England. But before we did it, he wanted to show us what it meant to win in New York. And he showed us a big video of the Miracle Mets. Not playing, not playing the games, but actually winning and having that big parade in New York City with millions of people hanging out the windows. And he wanted us to see that. But before we, of course, get to that level, there's so much more that had to be done. It's a long season. It's a long playoffs. It's tough. So from day one, that team had the vision of winning the Stanley Cup. So I believe in the outcomes because on that team we had 6 players, 7 players that won Stanley Cups, and amazing players that nobody even talks about today, uh, on that team, like, uh, Steve Larmer, who played the most amount of games in the NHL. He had that record going for a while, and I can't remember if he still had that record, but I know he got traded to us from Chicago, and, you know, he had that record. Greg Gilbert, who was on and off the fourth line, and a guy like Gibby, he won it with the New York Islanders, and the experience— let's not focus on all the other players that won, but that experience was they saw themselves winning a Stanley Cup. I roomed with Clark Gillies, and Clark was a hero of mine growing up. I got to room with him in Buffalo. And he won 4 Stanley Cups with the New York Islanders. And at that time, I mean, he passed away a few years ago, which was, it was awful for a lot of us and his family. But I asked Clark, what was it like winning the Stanley Cup? He says, well, we knew what we had to do. We knew what we had to do to win. And we focused on that first, but we still had that purpose for what we wanted to do. So I'll never forget that. So put the outcome aside, number 2. So after you have that dream, like, hey, you want to play Division I sports, I want to get a raise with my company, or no matter what it is, you put the outcome aside after setting the goal. So you cannot obsess over it every day. You can't say, oh, what's going to happen every day? When am I going to get this raise? When am I— I got to get to college. I had a bad game, so I'm not going to— if a college scout was there, they're not going to like me. That's when you find yourself getting into trouble and you build that pressure. And then what happens is the focus will drift away from what you're actually trying to create is that success for yourself. So the next thing is to focus on the process daily. I don't care what anybody says, championships are built through daily habits. And that's why for me, I wanted, when I developed our system, I wanted to make sure that number one thing that we did is we help people with daily habits through, you know, through our system that we have within our business. But it was like, it helps with preparation, recovery, practice, mindset, consistency. And I recently saw, it might've been like a year ago, Derek Jeter. He talked about, you know, what his biggest fear was and it was not being prepared. And he had one vision of winning the World Series. That's it. And then if you ask him what was his best years and he'll rattle off every year with the World Series. That they won. And I think the reporter said, what? Come on, really? What about your year? You had, you know, he had Golden Globe. He was playing out of his mind. He goes, no, it's when he won. But he envisioned himself winning, just like every elite athlete does. They see themselves winning and winning a championship, winning, you know, a college championship. I guarantee you when you're watching a Division I football game and let's say it's Michigan playing like last year and they saw themself, that coach before the year says, okay, what is it gonna take for this team to win a national championship? And what's it gonna take in basketball or whatever the sport is? It takes that vision, but you still can't think about the outcome every day, but you still need something to shoot for. And I always liked the, you know, I learned as a player, especially towards the end of my career, even with the Rangers where I was in and out of the lineup, I only played 35 games that year on a championship team, sat out a lot, and I was hurt quite a bit, but that wasn't the reason why I didn't play towards the end. I'm not gonna, you know, leave that, you know, false pretense. I'm not gonna leave that, oh, you were, I was injured, I didn't play, but I was sitting out. I was a, what is called a support player. You come in the lineup, You play 3 games, no matter how well you play, you might sit 5 games or you might sit 2. You might play 10 in a row and sit 8. It was tough. So I always had to be prepared and I knew that I was going to say to myself, even back then in 1994, I said, I need a win of the day. I need a good practice. I need to play hard. I need to train after the practice didn't go the way I wanted it to. I needed to get into that training room and do extra on the bike, extra conditioning because I didn't have my legs. And sometimes we didn't have a choice. Choice, and other times it may have been optional, but I made sure I did it every day. But I always made sure I was going to have a win of the day. So instead of worrying about the entire season or focusing on what didn't go well that day, I wanted to make sure that I would do— I would outwork everybody. And you could take the same approach into corporate America. The win of the day, what was it? It's been tough. I work with a lot of realtors And I hear that this is the toughest market. Sometimes nothing's happening. Sometimes the phone is ringing and it's tough. It's like you're on an island by yourself sometimes, even if you have support from the company. So even being that realtor, you have to say, what was the win of the day? Well, I was introduced to a contact. Now what? You have to follow up. The outcome will work out for itself, but the goal is that we want to actually sell that property, right? Sell that home or whatever it may be. But you still have to think about the process. And the next one is, this is where it says, is staying present under pressure. They call it mindfulness, which to me, we didn't talk about too much in the day, but to me, staying present under pressure pulls people into the future. I learned that. Like, I watched our teammates in New York, even back in the '90s. I watched what it took to win. I saw it, but the great performers always bring themselves back to the moment. Okay, we had a tough night. Let's go. Let's get ready now. Let's have a good meal. Let's focus on tomorrow. So when adversity would hit your team or even your team in corporate America or your own company, you have to trust the work that's already— that you put in and the work ahead of you. I had a— I was working with a baseball player and his dream was to play one game of pro baseball. His name is Will McGarryon. He played Division I. In fact, on the terrible note, his coach was in the helicopter with Kobe when that helicopter went down. So he transferred. But I love this guy. And then he said, my outcome is what I want to do is I want to be part of— I want to be an exercise physiologist. I want to be an exercise scientist. I want to be something around exercise. And he goes to a team. And when he gets to that team, I think a new coach came in, the one that did not recruit him to go to that other school, and told him he's not going to play much. So now he's a regular player in California, goes and plays on a different team in school, and he was— he's pinch running, he's not playing. And instead of burning a bridge, because the outcome was, yeah, I want to play one game in pro baseball, which he did, he played rookie ball But the point is he had that vision and then he also wanted to not burn his bridge within his— he wanted to be an exercise physiologist. Well, now he's working for— I think he's working for Boston College now or Boston University. And he took on a job and he's training athletes, the football team, the baseball team, many sports. And then now he's working his way up to even possibly going beyond that. But the outcome was it wasn't working out for him. He didn't want to be negative because he didn't— he knew what he wanted. He wanted that game of pro baseball and he loved training players. His dad worked for the New York Giants. So I think he already had that work ethic. Just a great kid. I love this kid. I can't call him a kid anymore. I worked with Will for several years, but his work ethic was unbelievable and all the adversity that he went through. Losing his coach, not playing, not sure what's going to happen, he ends up doing what he loves to do now. So we always have to think about it, we have to shoot for it, and that leads into my next thing is keep adjusting. Goals could stay the same, but the path may change. All of a sudden it's not working out somewhere. Maybe a good example with Will, he's in a position where, you know what, they, they're bringing on somebody else, so maybe his path may change. But you still have to keep thinking positive. You still have to be grateful for where you are. I heard somebody say recently that, you know, use it as motivation. I'm not a big motivational person. Yes, we like motivation. When I speak to companies, the first thing I tell them, I'm not a motivational speaker because that's a rah-rah speech, then they leave. But I love to instill a system so you have this system and you want to see yourself being successful and that's where the outcome comes in. The other thing is enjoy the journey. People ask me all the time, what was the number one thing as a hockey player that you wanted? I said I wanted to have fun. I just talked to Don Luce and Don was the— he drafted me to the Buffalo Sabres. He's one of my most favorite people in the world. He called to see how I was doing. And I wanted to talk. Okay, 10 minutes, I'm great, Don. Now, how are you doing? Because he was one of the best development coaches I've seen. He was, he does that now. He did it with the Philadelphia Flyers. He did it with the Toronto Maple Leafs. He did it with the Buffalo Sabres. And he calmed me. I remember it was training camp in Buffalo. I was 19 years old. He pulled me aside. He said, okay, you're playing well. Keep up the pace. And I said, Don, I really want to make this team. I want to play for the Buffalo Sabres. I'm ready. He goes, well, just take— that's a good way to look at it. Look at that. But number one, focus on where you are now. And I'll never forget that. I talk to Don every now and then. Just a super person. I can't talk enough about him. And the last thing is let the outcome be the byproduct. The best performance often happens when you stop forcing the results. Yes, we, we want this great outcome, but commit to the process. The outcome will take care of itself when the daily work is done consistently. Remember that consistency, and you're going to have ups and downs, but it's all how you deal with it. I hope this has helped. Any questions, please feel free to reach out, and I wish you all the best.
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