53: Can Thyroid Health Help Prevent Cancer? – The Root-Cause Approach to Healing with Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy

Today we are chatting with Dr. Leigh Erin Keneally, who you all very much requested that I interview. She is a world renowned medical doctor and leading functional integrative physician, treating and healing patients from all over the world. She uses the best of all sciences, including conventional functional, homeopathic, Eastern medicine and modern medicine. Dr. Connealy began practicing medicine in 1986, and in 1992, she founded the center for New Medicine and Cancer center for Healing in Irvine, California, where she serves as the medical director. The combined clinics have become the largest integrative medical clinic in North America and have been visited by over 75,000 patients. She is the clinician and physician who oversees more than one of my close friends and colleagues for the treatment of their cancer. And I am delighted to share this conversation with you. We'll talk about progressive treatments, prevention, mindset, all kinds of things. So let's dig in.

Welcome to Modern Thyroid and Wellness, the podcast that explores the intricate dance between health, wellness and thyroid, unraveling the threads.

That weave our vitality together.

I'm your host, McCall McPherson, and I'm so thrilled to guide you on this journey to optimal wellness. So I'm so grateful and excited that you're joining us here today. Dr. Connealy is here to talk about all things cancer, ways that we can influence our risk, ways that we can help mitigate our risk, progressive treatments, ideas, and we'll even dig in to how thyroid can influence cancer as well. Thank you so, so much for joining us.

It's my pleasure and privilege.

Tell me a little bit. There's always like a story behind why people ended up in a certain subset of medicine. Why it's their passion. Can you tell us how you ended up doing what you do in your work?

So I am number three of six children. I was born in the 50s. My mother started bleeding. And of course you go to the doctor. And at that time, they prescribed a medication called des, Diethylstobesterol. That drug is a very potent estrogen designed to prevent miscarriage and stop the bleeding. So fast forward, I'm a teenager. My parents get a letter. I grew up in Houston, Texas, and my parents received a letter stating that that drug caused a myriad of problems, everything from cancer to hormone problems to anatomical problems, infertility, et cetera, et cetera. Because where it was in the development, it affected women differently. So they told me I needed to go to a cancer institution right away. Well, I lived in Houston, and the biggest cancer institution probably in the world is MD Anderson. And so here I am, a teenager going to get biopsies and a team of 12 to 15 people in my exam room. Back then, nobody went to the doctor because no one had any medical problems. And so I started getting biopsies and all kinds of exams and imaging, etc. And so I had dysplasia, which is abnormal. It's between normal tissue and cancer. There's an area called dysplasia. So anyway, and then I had never had two periods in a row in my life. I had all my children's kind of techno be when I say technically I had to, you know, see infertility doctors to help me get pregnant. I had scoliosis, had 18 hours of back surgery six years ago, had Sheehan syndrome, delivering my twins and just had a very interesting journey all along. And oh, I had an ectopic pregnancy, which is very common in des babies. Anyway, I never became the problem. Everything for me has been a learning episode. And I teach patients that all the time because we get caught up in the label. And the label is not who you are. The label is to give you some context. But our job as physicians, if we can de diagnose patients, because people walk around and they always identify, oh, I have add, I have adhd, whatever they have, okay? And they become their problem and they introduce themselves with that, they identify with that. And so as you know, most diseases you can unravel. I consider hormone problems. Like, that's a problem of the natural biochemistry of our body. So hormone problems are different because it's not really what I would consider a pathology, if you know what I'm saying. It's a imbalance or too little too much for lots of different reasons because I've been low thyroid, but I never thought I had a problem, okay? I just. My thyroid doesn't work and I've tried everything. I've done every. There isn't anything I haven't done to try to fix it because, like, I just always love those discovery odysseys to figure out how to. To fix things. And so. And I'm always just willing to try. Like, I never have done gyrotonic. So I'm like, no, I'm going to try it now. So I did gyrotonics over the weekend. I've heard about it. You know, you're going to have to.

Tell me what that is. I don't even know.

Oh, well, that is something you're YouTube. Look. So, okay, it was developed long time ago and it's a way of, of doing exercise with your body to get alignment of your body and to use your body properly. It's very fast. Wow. My first time do it. So anyway, I was, I was like, oh, this is very, very, I love this. So. And when you have movement, you don't want to just go, I'm a runner. No, you need to have like an array of movement. Okay. So you might do yoga one day, you might take a hike one day. You need to do weight. You want to use your body all different ways as opposed to like, okay, I'm just hardcore at the gym and everything. So you want to do other things like stretching, maybe an exercise one day. Right. So you don't just get stuck one, you get bored. And you never want to get bored with exercise since movement is one of the most powerful medicines you could be using. Right. So I just, I love, like, I love exploring new self care methods. You know, I just, you know, I love it. So. And because people always are a little scared to see me because they're like, well, what do you want? And I'm like, wait, you're the genius of your craft. I'm here to receive your genius. So I just, like, I pretend I know nothing, which is usually the case. Well, it's not always the case, but it's usually the case. And I just want them to share their genius with me. That's what I did with the gyrotonics and that's what I always do. And, and like, people need to really realize that as part of their journey is to. You want to. I'm okay with questions and understanding, but try to flow with the process. Okay? Don't try to control it. Try to like, as long as the person's not hurting you, you know, go and go along with the process. Do you know what I'm saying? And you can ask me any question you want. Like patients can ask me anything and there's no question. Off limits. And you can have your opinion. Like today I had a patient who did not want to do chemotherapy for her triple negative breast cancer. And she had eight root canals, so she wanted to get the teeth fixed and then do the breast cancer. And I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. You know, you need to start treatment. But I was very calm, cool and collected. And I said, our priority right now is the breast cancer. Your Ki67 is 95%. And she's already put off her treatment for probably a couple months. And I go, I understand. But I said, this is what I think would be best for you, and this is why. And so she understood and I didn't scare her, you never scare people. That's never works. And you explain, like, logically, properly why they need to do it like this. And if I could fix her, I told her, I said, if I can fix you naturally, trust me, I would do it. I have no problems with that. You have triple negative. Your KI67 is 95%. We must get things going right now.

And I love that it's so rare in medicine to find someone that pulls from all the aspects, right? Like it's either completely regular standard of care, chemotherapy, radiation, mastectomy, or completely natural demonizes chemotherapy. And there's rarely people that pull from the array of the entire spectrum. And I think that's so valuable because I think everything has value. And I know in your book you talk about so much of the full spectrum of the things that people should have access to and can control in their lives to be empowered to influence their journey. Right. Tell me you. You mentioned a little bit about your own thyroid issue. I'm kind of curious. If you tell me you can give me a quick rundown, I will.

So going back to. Yeah, your. We should be combining. Well, first of all, as a physician, we should be creating health. That's number one.

Amen.

Okay. Number two, how we get there will be different for every person.

Yep.

Number three, the only treatment protocols a physician has today is a drug surgery, or both. Okay. Never. Why, where, when and how. Okay. So every doctor should be working like this, okay. Because the science is out there, okay? And we are. If we look at the statistics of health care today, everyone is. The majority of humanity is sick. Okay? And so obviously we all need to take a step back, forget our ego, what we want, how hell bent we are on the science or whatever. But we need to examine what we're doing and how do we switch gears. Like this is. I did a podcast with two MDs on Friday, and I was like, we need to get down to the basics. If you're not honoring the circadian rhythm of your existence and honoring the rules and laws of your body, there's no sense in you saving that guy's foot. Because it's going to come back. It's going to come. The problem's going to come right back. Okay? Right. And so we were talking about, like, ethically and financially and everything you. There are ways of do. If we think about, if we just set up communities of healing. Okay. Then they talked about, well, how do you get a patient to do what you do? You go, look, we're partners. Are you willing to be my partner? And if the patient's not willing, then they really shouldn't be seeing you.

Well, and I think it's too. I think it's a systemic issue. I think. I'm hoping maybe we're beginning to shift. But I think people felt disempowered in their health and put their health in the hands of clinicians, thinking that they're going to make them healthy and are mental health medicine. Standard of care medicine is not to make people healthy, it's to help them when they're sick, which are two very different things. And I think I'm hoping. I rather I should say I'm hoping we're in a new era of empowering patients that, hey, you can influence your health and we can partner in this and you can change your outcomes. But I think that was almost pseudoscience for a while, like to. For patients to think that they were trained that, no, no, no, this is all in the hands of your clinician. And now we're coming to the realization that maybe that isn't true.

Right, Exactly. Well, some people are.

Some people are hopefully more and more.

So that leads me to one that I was a physician. I'd finished. I was in medical school. We were doing EKGs ourselves, and I had sinus bradycardia. They're like, oh, do you exercise a lot? Well, I didn't exercise like an athlete. So then I finish and I go to residency, and then I'm working in ERs, in the clinic, and I went to the doctor and I'm like, telling them all my symptoms, you know, cold hands, cold feet, constipation, et cetera. And like, he won't order. He goes, oh, you're just stressed out, doctor. And I'm like, no, no, this is not so. I remember in the hospital ordering my own thyrotropin releasing hormone study. Okay. Which is rare today, as you know. And this was like, literally probably 40 years ago. So somewhere between 35 and 40 years ago. And then I'm like, oh, my God, it's abnormal. Like, nope, this is ridiculous. And I started taking thyroid. And of course, you know, anybody will tell you it saved my life. It turned my turn me back on, right? And so I have been on thyroid for a very natural thyroid. I've always been on a natural form of thyroid, as opposed to synthetic versions or compounded versions. And I have tried every conceivable way to get off thyroid, to, like, get my body to maybe manufacture it on its own. And I was successful probably about seven years ago. And for one month, I was off thyroid. And I was like, oh my God, this is so exciting. I got off, I did lots of like removal of heavy metals and then that just fell apart like it didn't like after a month and I'm like, okay, so I haven't tried again only because I always have too many experiments going on. Now that I am at my age right now, it's like you have to have your thyroid. Your thyroid is like the central conductor of the endocrine system. And so you can't mess around with the, you know, so I'm, I'm doing my experiments and whatever it is. Obviously when you're my age, you're, it's constantly something, you know, this peptide. And I'm very sensitive so a lot of things affect my sleep. So like I have to be careful my experiments because I don't know if it's because my body's clean or what, but I respond to everything. And one of the things is, one of the things that affects me is I won't be able to sleep. My body will be stimulated and probably the environment, we have so many electromagnetic fields now that your body doesn't even know, hardly know what to do every day with, with the EMFs, the pollution, the heavy metals. I mean, we all have to really learn how to practice self care. Because I always tell people like I grew up in Texas and like no one was sick, okay? When I grew up, okay, There was no one ill, no one had add, no one was overweight, no one had diabetes, no one had anything, okay? I don't remember one sick child growing up, okay? And now the little children are sick, the elementary are sick, the teenagers are sick and the young adults here with cancer is like, oh my goodness. So what has really, really changed in the last, I would say probably 30 years, okay? I've been practicing 39. So like when I first started practicing medicine was so nice and easy and it was so like the, like I practiced in the good old days where we had indemnity healthcare which when you went to the doctor, they paid 100%, okay? They paid 100% of the bill. And the patients came to see you, whatever, but patients weren't. The biggest problem people had was losing weight. And that would be like the biggest problem people maybe a little blood pressure, but I didn't see the sugar problems that we see today, the hyperglycemia and the diabetes. I didn't see that. So hardly ever saw cancer. I mean I remember talking to radiologists 25 years ago and they're like, we never read a PET scan. Now it's like everyday occurrence. I mean, now it's every minute a PET scan. Right. And so it's like, interesting. Like, how have we just not questioned what's going on in our world? Like, how do all these smart people and how do all these, like, everybody, like, not question our algorithm and paradigm of how we're doing things? Okay, now I will tell you now, people are waking up. You know, people are waking up. They're talking about health. They're like, I have so many people that come. They aren't getting treatment because they just are scared of the medical system. Okay, right. I have two 21 year old chill. I call them children. They are children. And they have Hodgkin's lymphoma, which is like one probably the most curable cancer, right? Testicular. And this is the most curable cancer. And they were trying to do it naturally. And I was like, oh, no, no, no. Like. And they're both not doing well because they are, you know, And I was like, always partner with a medical doctor who can protect you in your decision. So, like, we have to be the voice of reason and someone that's not too extreme, like, they'll give opportunity to. If I have a woman that is. And wants to shrink the breast lesion, I'll go, okay, I'll give you three months. And then. But you got to be religious and you got to be on it. But we're going to. I'm going to give you three months. And then if we don't make progress, then we have to make different decisions. So. But when it comes to Hodgkin's, like, that is a very curable cancer. And so we, you know, they should have done the chemo. And I would tell anyone who has cancer and they've been diagnosed with cancer do not just do conventional treatment. You must marry conventional with the old ways of doing things. Because really, the medicine I practice is the old way.

Right.

The new, the alternative way is the drug way. Right, right, right. Because a hundred years ago, people were all doing this, okay? Right now, patented medicines came over and took over the whole business of medicine. So they educate the medical schools, the doctors learn a drug for everything. A surgery and some powerful whatever, robotic God knows what. And we are where we are. And illness and procedures and everything are just now like, it's just normalized. But this is not normal. Your body has. It's so, like, genius, right? But if anyone has been diagnosed with cancer, they should be doing both, because being diagnosed is injurious inflammatory, invasive, immunosuppressive period. Right, right. And so relying on just surgery, chemo and radiation, that isn't enough. Especially today because the forces around us are so magnanimous that they are changing the cells in nanoseconds. And so we have to look at it differently.

I could not agree more. Tell me some of your favorite ways to adjunctively or by itself. And I know it's individualized with each patient. Tell me some of your favorite ways to incorporate these other alternate ways of treating or managing a cancer diagnosis in conjunction with chemo without whatever it is.

Right. Okay. So first and foremost, I really go on. I go over someone's entire existence from the time in utero to where they are now. I go over how they live every day, Their sleep, their water, their eating. So like, if you have glioblastoma or pancreatic cancer, I'm going to give you ketogenic eating. Okay. Whereas if it's another kind of cancer, I'm going to give you a different eating plan. Okay. Then I exercise is very anti cancer, right? So then I go through their mouth. Like your mouth is the gateway to the rest of the body. Like infections in the mouth can cause pancreatic cancer. So if you don't get rid of the infection in the mouth, how are you going to get rid of the pancreatic cancer? Right. So then I go through root canals, you know, mercury, all that. Then I say, what has been your stress for the past eight to 10 years? So I go over in detail that. So I understand. And that's usually a lot of the times, probably the. One of the biggest things that's going on. Okay. And then I go, okay, we're going to do very comprehensive blood test. Oncologists typically order a chemistry panel in the cbc. But I go, you need to know everything about the patient. So when someone has cancer, they may have usually have many other problems going on besides the cancer that's contributing to the cancer. Okay, we got to check all your hormones. So thyroid, you're an expert. Thyroid is. Has to be checked on everybody, okay. And especially more in this day and time because of the environment. So very. And then I check CRP and hemoglobin A1C and vitamin D and Nagalay. I check their entire immune system. I check viruses, I check autoimmune diseases. I check growth factors like veg, F&TGF beta, all these growth factors. Then I do an environmental pollutant panel on the patient because a lot of times I'll tell people okay. You have toxicity. They always look at me like, what? And I'm like, okay, we're going to show you. I think a lot of people now know because plastics is in the news every other minute now, but that's only one at about 2 million toxins. So. So I told, we're going to do environmental pollutant panel, we're going to do a methylation panel. We look at your blood under the microscope because the, what's, what's happened to the blood prior to Covid is very different than now. I check everybody's spike protein because if you have a high spike protein, we need to neutralize that. And then so very, very expansive blood test. Okay. And I check heavy metals and everything. Then I do a nutrient assessment. I check all the intracellular nutrients. Okay. And heavy metals. Everybody has heavy metals. Okay. Mercury, lead, cadmium. The highest thing we see is aluminum. Okay. So I'm looking, I gotta look at all my clues. I gotta look at like what's below the iceberg. The lump or bump is just the top of the iceberg. But we need to look down below. So then I will assess. Now usually if a patient maybe has already had treatment and they come in, usually I'll put them on a purification program that's just not eating. It comes with the eating plan. And then I used. You probably are familiar with standard process. So I use their 21 day purification. I've tested about 25 different programs and I find that is probably the best. Okay.

I love it.

So then I either tell them to do sauna or baths. Some people don't have saunas. So I have them do a bath and I give them a recipe of Epsom salts, baking soda and clay. I usually give everybody hydrogen water. I usually tell people to do vitamin C and pancreatic enzymes and probably something to alkalinize their tissues. Then though, my targeted treatments. If a patient has cancer and we want to combine it with conventional. In my clinic, I do low dose chemo. So low dose chemo has been around for about 70 years. So cancer cells have insulin like growth factors on their receptors. So we give insulin to the patient, bring it down to the therapeutic moment, which is about 40, so that the chemo goes to the cancer cell, preserving the other cells.

Wow.

So we do that once a week. And so the, if a patient though does conventional, like today, the patient, I told them to get conventional because her Ki67, which is the proliferative index, was so high. I said, you need conventional chemo for the aggressive nature of this Diagnosis. And then what I have all the patients do is I have them do a special natural IV drip after the chemo. I also, the day of the chemo, I do hyperthermia on them, on the body part, whatever's affected, which is heating the body up. You have three heat shock proteins, 27, 72 and 90. So that kills viruses and cancer. And then I give an IV drip of curcumin, which is turmeric, which is the spice. And I activate it with the Weber indolaser light, because all your cells have biophotons. So you're turning on the machinery of all the cells so they could heal the body. So we do that. We do PMF with all of our IVs. I do a sundry of IVs. I do IV ginseng, IV dichloroacetate, IV artisanate, IV ozonated glycerin, IV sodium viagar. I do all different ones depending on, you know, what I think the patient needs. I do ultraviolet blood irradiation with ozone. So what that is actually, that was an FDA approved procedure 70 years ago for T cell lymphoma. 7, 0. Okay? So because it's a simple, easy, inexpensive process, you know, it doesn't get notoriety. So that is a way of killing the bugs, okay, that are usually contributing. So cancers has lots of other bugs involved, like usually viruses. The other bugs are candida and parasites, and almost everyone has a sundry of those, okay? Because not that the patient's so bad, it's just that our immune system is so challenged. But in a cancer patient, their body has become acidic. And Otto Warburg, 100 years ago, I got a Nobel Prize. That cancer cell is acidic when your PH is directly connected to the voltage or energy of the cell. So when your PH goes down, when it gets acidic, then the voltage or energy of the cell automatically is decreased. So that causes hypoxia, which is low oxygen. When that happens, everything bad happens because oxygen's the number one thing you need to survive. And so as soon as you get hypoxic, viruses, bacteria, fungi, parasites, talk, everything flourishes bad. And so this environment is continuing on. You're fermenting, simmering cancer. You don't know it, though, because your body's constantly trying to take care of you. And so your body is continuing to ferment this cancer. I say ferment because it's acidic process. And so you are, you know this. Everything doesn't change. And you get angiogenesis, which is blood supply, and then the cancer stays alive. And grows until you feel it one day. You either feel it in your head, feel it in your lung, feel it in your tummy, somewhere it's big enough to feel. And so I'm all about prevention, early detection, precision and personalization. And I know because I've been doing this 39 years. And one of my mentors had sarcoma. And I met him 27 years ago at an A4M conference. And he had sarcoma. He refused conventional medicine. He was 22 years of age. For people listening, sarcoma is a tumor muscle and or bone. And so he went and traveled the world to figure out all everything. And now this was about 50 years ago. And so he met all kinds of people. He learned all about everything from everybody. Conventional doctors and both doctors. And, you know, there were doctors a long time ago that were trying to change the system. Like if you look up bioelectric, you know, the doctor, orthopedic surgeon that talked about electricity, body electric. So he was an orthopedic surgeon teaching electricity of the body, right? So he met this doctor, doctor, very famous doctor in China, who actually is still working. He's in his 70s and his whole family for about 500 years have made herbs for cancer. And so he utilized his herbs to help himself. So then he worked with an acupuncturist in Sarasota, Florida. And he would determine the acupuncture points and he would determine, like, what a patient needs and what imbalances their body had. And that would determine, like, is it the breast, is it the central nervous system, is the pulmonary, is it genitourinary blood, et cetera? And then the environment for cancer is acidity, toxicity, deficiency in pancreatic enzymes, viruses. Now, at the time, he taught me viruses. But now I've learned that fungus, parasites and other fungus really contribute to the picture of cancer. And then immune system challenges, we've learned this way. There's a famous star. I don't know if you know, Dr. Vol, electroacupuncture according to Vol. Well, Dr. Vol was an MD and physicist and he used to teach practitioners, doctors, acupuncturers, what the acupuncture point system was and what it meant by hand and how to do it. Okay. So years ago when I was practicing, I interviewed an acupuncturist that taught, was taught by this. So then the girl who does it in my clinic now, I told her, you've got to go learn with the last living MD that was taught by Dr. Ball. So she's gone to many teachers Just like I've had many teachers, you know, you have to have many teachers to learn your art and healing. And they. They're not always all doctors either. So anyway, so you have acupuncture points on your body, and people don't realize that that's your electrical wiring system. And so when you put the probe on the point, you see the flow of energy or lack thereof. And so it's kind of like you're forecasting and predicting so we can prevent cancer right now. Okay. But that's not where the money is. So the money is in big hospitals, billion dollar facilities, and treat cancer was so, so interesting. Last week I interviewed an oncology nurse and she was moving Vermont to California. And so I said, so, like, you administer chemo to patients and everything? And I said, so what have you seen in all your history? She goes, the worst thing is they all come back. And she almost like, kind of withdrew, like.

And I was.

I was like, oh, my goodness. At least she's honest.

And at least she recognizes it and.

Recognizes herself so much. Exactly. And I said, yeah. So I told her, we have an opposite paradigm here. We don't want our patients coming back. We need to fix them and teach them how to stay fixed. And so anyway, do you know what PMF is? Pulsed electromagnetic field. So we use that for. For all of our patients. Hyperbaric oxygen. All of our patients, we do eboo, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

Even cured my long Covid. I shouldn't say it out loud.

Very good. Yeah, yeah, no, I heard that before. So we are just incorporating. We use repurposed drugs for cancer, which there's over about 380drugs that help fight cancer and basically interfere with the whole cancer progress progression process. And so there's no one size fits all, number one. Number two, all the things I do are not injurious and they're not immunosuppressive. The worst thing we do is the low dose chemo. But we have our patients all doing so many things to counterbalance everything. Whether they do a biopsy, whether they do PET scan. There's always a protective support when we give a patient a prescription that has harmful effects. Like it's our job to protect the patients.

Tell me a little bit when you mentioned prevention, right? Like we can prevent this from happening in so many cases. Tell me five things that people could do to help reduce their risk of cancer in their everyday life.

Okay. Well, the first and foremost thing is your day starts when you go to sleep. So if you don't sleep well, which is over 50% of the population, that's where healing happens. And sleeping pills are not the answer. So don't take sleeping pills. Don't get on that kick. I know people sometimes do it, but I always am usually successful in getting them off. And so you've got to focus on, on your sleep. And it should be. People think like you're, oh, six or seven hours is okay. No, it's really about nine hours. Okay. Yes. And so it's about. There's a great book out, I mean a great long time written. Go coat lights out. And so because of light, because of phone, because of computer, we're all addicted to staying awake, doing whatever, okay? And I can be guilty myself sometimes, but I do prioritize my sleep. So then we have to drink purified water like you cannot drink out of the tap. You have to get some kind of purification system somehow. Otherwise you're buying plastic water bottles or whatever. So you can't do. You have to invest in some water, some kind of water purification process. Then you need to be very selective about your eating. Like you, you can't go and buy box stuff at the grocery store. Like, you can't, you know, like, you can't just go buy instant stuff. Now I know they do have good things on the market today that you can buy that are healthy. But you need to eat foods that are going to nourish, strengthen and heal your body, okay? You need to eat foods like that are real, like real foods and not buy packaged foods. And don't buy beef stroganoff and think pasta is going to, going to get you by. And you don't buy cereal in the morning. Like, I never ate cereal in the morning. But a lot of mommies go for something fast and that is, it's not good. So you need to eat foods at nourishing and there's so much out there today on how to eat, okay? Luckily, I grew up on bone marrow, bone broth, sauerkraut, pigs feed, all things liver. I mean, I grew up like that, okay? Raw milk, okay? That's how I grew up, okay? My mother was fanatic. There were six kids she was fanatic about. We ate only at home. We were never allowed to eat at school or anything like that.

Yeah.

So I grew up like that, okay? And fortunately, because I knew it, it was already in me when not, you know, when people start talking about all these things, I was like, oh, I, we've been doing that forever, you know, and so then people don't move. And you've got to. You have 800 muscles. You got to look every opportunity to move because that helps your brain, your heart, your lymphatics, your oxygenation, everything, Everything. So people need to move their body and everybody. See, I didn't grow up in computers and technology, so I normally naturally move all the time. Because I tell you, find the joy in washing dishes. Find the joy and wash. Doing your laundry. Find the joy running up and down the stairs. For another thing. Like, don't. Like, you need to be moving every opportunity you can. Okay? And don't look for the convenient place to park. You need to just take any moment to move.

Okay, Exercise snacks. Pause and just do a quick exercise. Right?

And then sunshine. Like, I grew up outside. Now today we're under lights and under. Oh, my God. It's terrible. Okay, Terrible what we're growing up in, the lights today are terrible compared to what we had. But you need to get out and get sunshine because sunshine is going to give all your cells energy. Like I was talking about earlier, the bio photons, the light. You have lights in your cells.

We're like batteries.

Yes. And so it's so beautiful. And so we need to get back to how sun is good for you. And then I would say probably the number one thing is to set your mind. Set your mind in the morning, reset it a couple hours later. Reset it a couple hours later. Be conscious of the recordings you are saying to yourself because we, you know, you probably know that book, the Body Keeps Score. And we all had trauma and drama. I don't know a soul. I've never heard her story. They didn't have drama and trauma. Never in my whole life. Okay, Right. You can't look at that as bad. You have to look at the drama and trauma. Is your teacher to elevate and enlighten yourself. Do not become the problem. Do not become a victim. My mom didn't do this. And she. Whoever, somebody, everyone, we can blame it on everybody, but we inherit 50, 15 generations. Okay, so you don't inherit just eye color, skin color. You inherit 15 generations, emotional drama and trauma. Seek that out. Seek it out. Like, seek it what it is. And reframe the unfavorable perception to elevate yourself, turn it into a solution for your life. Turn it into the teacher of your life. And I have had my own trauma. I'm sure you've had it. I've just never met anybody that didn't have it. But turn it into a triumphant journey. And that has to be done daily and throughout the day because we tend to go back to our old way. I would say the most hard, most difficult thing in your life is the battlefield of the mind, and it gets the best of us, okay? So when I say, you got to wake up with, I am invincible, unstoppable and limitless, okay? And then you've got to, like, turn every problem into a solution of affirmation. Okay? So, like, I'm looking for a new step. I go, thank you, God, for bringing me the best and brightest people that are going to be able to execute my mission. Okay? So instead of saying, oh, my God, I can't find anyone, you know, whatever, I turn everything into an affirmation. And affirmations always need to be said as if it's already happened. Okay. You can't say it like it's going to happen. No. Right. No, it's happened now. It's happened right now. And so I turn any problem into a solution, and I say it, and then I reset. I have to reset during the day because always go back, like, everyone. I don't care how, what kind of guru they are that we always go back to those old subconscious recordings, okay? And then when you're driving home, time to reset again before you go to bed, time to reset again. So you've got to do it, but you're, you know, like, you go to the restroom. That's idle time. Okay? Be doing affirmations. Okay. And talk to yourself with absolute unconditional love. Like, I love that. Yes. Love yourself like, no one could possibly do. And if we were taught this, like, all early. Right. It'd be amazing. But all of us had trauma and drama. Probably never going to change. Okay. Because it's part of the human experience. Yes. Enlightenment. I would never be good at what I do if I didn't have suffering. Anyone. Anyone can read a book. Oh, this sounds really interesting. But living it. There's no book on that. There's no book on living the experience, Right?

Yeah, that was going to be my next question. If people have, like, stress that they can't get rid of, how do you deal with that? And that's a perfect way to work through it. You know, I think about my daughter who has really significant health issues that incorporates into PTSD because of experiences. I'm like, well, I can't change her health issues. That's my reality. But I have to. I love the thought of changing my perspective on it and trying to restructure my neurochemistry in that way, because I can't necessarily shift the situation, but I can shift my perspective. That's really powerful.

How old is she?

She turns 10 in a couple weeks.

Right. Okay. So you just say, God, thank you for the divine wisdom and clarity and discernment and whatever's going on. And also thank you, God, for her learning how to help herself because she's 10. Okay. Thank you for the divine direction that I need to know to help her and support her properly. And then as a mother, because we're so connected through that invis. Invisible umbilical cord cord, we have to say, okay, we have to make sure we're declaring victory but not coddling, because that never works. Okay, but you want to, like. And you like Helen Keller. I always use her as an example because she was deaf and blind, but her parents never treated her that way, and that's why she became so famous. Okay. So you can't ever talk about the problem like it's a problem. It's not a problem. It's a solution in the making. And literally it is. It's like, oh, my God, if we could just all, like, learn that and we. I know. If you could fast track to her healed self, but. And everything usually happens for a reason. Literally. Okay. And. But you want to, like, not make it a big deal. Like, you don't want to make a big deal. Like, this is a learning episode. And no learning episode is fast. I've never seen one. Right. And I always tell people, I don't have anything. Easy, quick, fast, Because God wants you to learn whatever you need to learn so you can help your fellow man. Right. So if you don't learn the lesson and lessons throughout this process. And so, I mean, I know you as a practitioner are. You probably know how to help her. Right. Children tend to not listen to their parents. All right? Because it's not what you taught, it's what they've caught. So all you can be is the model. You always want to be the model for your children. And it's not easy. Like my patient today, she came in and I asked her about her stress. She goes, well, my children are stressful. And I said, did you just hear what you said? You just lowered your vibration and your children's vibration by some saying they're stressful, they can be challenging because challenges are like growth. Right. Whereas stress means it's never going to end. Right? Right. So I told you, I want you to make sure you're aware and conscious of what you're saying. Okay? Because if your kids heard that, they would automatically Think bad. Like, oh, God, this is what I'm doing to my mom. Right. So we don't want to say that. And children are your miracles. Your miracles and miracles of many different things because they humble you beyond anything you can imagine, if you know what I'm saying.

So they're our biggest growth opportunity.

Yes. And so. But you want to, like, say, okay, God, thank you for the lessons you're teaching me right now and the lessons you're teaching her right now also.

Yeah, I love that. I was going to ask you, too, how you do your work. It's heavy work, but I think I know now. I think I know how you manage all of that. And it's quite impressive because it must be difficult to keep the headspace that you have on a consistent basis enough to continue to pour into people and not get burnout or distance yourself from the reality of their humanity, which I think medicine kind of entrenches and trains us to do that. So it's very impressive and it speaks a lot to your ability to manage and monitor your own headspace and thought lines. For sure.

Right. But I always pray about what I'm doing. Okay. Because how do I know all the answers if I don't ask for them, I'm not going to get them because I know what the standard of care that's easy, that's already in a book that's on ChatGPT. But I need the real answers. Okay. Yeah. And so I always say, God, thank you for showing me the way. When I have any meeting or anything, I go, God, you are going to make this meeting harmonious and wonderful, and it's going to be a peaceful situation. So I would say that what helps me is my constant affirmations, prayer. And I realize that I need know. And I know that I am going to make that person's life better today. I know that. I'm absolutely confident of that. Some way, somehow I am going. Like this patient today, she needed answers, and I gave her answers of reality that, yes, you need to put your teeth on this. They're very important. That needs to be done. But right now we're going to prioritize the treatment. And remember, the chemotherapy is just a bridge. It's not forever. It's a bridge to get to the other side with all the other things that you're going to be doing to nourish and take care of yourself. And so it's. And then I told her, you know, you probably need a port. Oh, my. A port. A thing in your chest. And I Said, yes. And I said, why can't they just use my veins? I said, yes, they can. Okay. Chemotherapy is hard on the veins, but they can do that. And I said, but the port will also make access to you much more comfortable for you. So you decide as you go through this process if you want to use your vein. But I will tell you that most of my patients have ports and find them very comfortable. And so. But she was Adam, you know, which I understand. She doesn't know. So I think she just need clarity of her direction. And I helped her get clarity because she was kind of here, there, not sure. But I didn't fill her with fear or trepidation or anything. It's like, we're going to start here and then we're going to get this. You're going to meet with the oncologist. We got to get the rest of the imaging, but let's start fixing you now.

Absolutely. Well, I think I'll close with one more question. If you could give people advice who maybe are struggling with cancer, a newly diagnosed cancer, their husband, a loved one, their child is struggling with cancer, if you could leave them with one thing today, what would that be?

Well, I always believe you never give up on anybody. Like, you never give up on yourself, and you never give up because that one next level lesson is always a gift. And if you have cancer, like, devour reading lots of books and do not think just surgery, chemo, radiation is the answer, because there's 99 other things that you got to be doing. Really educate yourself. Okay? I always tell people, don't take my word for everything. Go and read and study everything that you can possibly read and study. And now we have so much education now with podcast and everything that you can learn so many things just on your own. I know people who have taken my book and just like, it changed their life.

Like, I want you to tell us about your book too.

So, you know, so it changed their life. Just following just the things I tell you to do in the book. Because whether you have dementia or cancer, the book book has invaluable direction. And so even if you don't have.

Cancer, if you just want to protect yourself from cancer, right? Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. Because we have a new podcast and it's called Cell. And one of the questions, patient came in, her husband had testicular cancer, but she said she supported him through the process. And she read my book. She says it completely changed her life. And she says, but now he doesn't want to be. She said he had a reality he doesn't want to be with her. And I said, wow. And I was like, well, you. One thing is you can't make someone love you, so you have to understand that you were the gift for him. And you, you know, did a very admirable job because we do need other people around us to help us. Us, okay, be moral support, physical support, educational support. We need all kinds of people around us to help us, whatever the condition is. And so. But I don't ever think that you're losing. Don't ever think that. But I will tell you one thing that I will preach loud and clear because I've been saying it's kind of an emergency, 911 for over 20, 10 years, and now we're kind of beyond, you know, how feel like. I feel like I've been saying that for a very time in my life. And everyone needs to realize where we are and where we're not. And we all need to be focusing on helping ourselves get healthy and help others get healthy and whatever that looks like now. Everyone's not going to listen to you. Not everyone's going to listen to you. Not everyone's going to listen to me. That's okay. When the student is ready, the teacher will arrive and. But we are all inter and interconnected. So someone else affects you, you affect somebody else. So if you get yourself healthy, you're going to positively affect them. I love that we need to create this contagious revolution of getting this world healthy.

I love it. That's beautiful. Tell us a little bit about the cancer revolution where we can find it.

Right. Well, you can find it Barnes and Noble, any Amazon Health, I mean, in other bookstores. And I wrote this book. The first book was written and thrown out. Then I wrote Cancer Revolution and that was 2000, end of 17, beginning of 18. But so much changes.

Yeah.

So that's why I updated the book. And so it just came out like three or four weeks ago now. And so it has very good updated information on it. New other things to take care of yourself. So share it with everybody, your friends even, like you said, it's not just a book for cancer, it's a book for really any disease process.

I love it. Well, thank you so much for your work, for pouring into your patients, into educating all of us. And you're just an inspiration. So thank you.

Thank you. Well, thank you for having me.