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We are chatting today with Dr. Christina Ram, who is an absolute force for good. She is empowering women and entrepreneurs and science and technology and development of products like, she's just an absolute inspiration. She is a CIS entrepreneur, humanitarian whose work spans biotech, health, innovation, environmental sustainability, and the founder of over and leader of 20 companies committed to transforming health and wellness through cutting edge science and conscious consumer solutions. So I welcome today, Dr. Christina Ramm. Welcome to Modern Thyroid and Wellness, the podcast that explores the intricate dance between health, wellness and thyroid, unraveling the threads that weave our vitality together. I'm your host, McCall McPherson and, and I'm so thrilled to guide you on this journey to optimal wellness. So Dr. Ram, thank you so much for being here, for sharing your time with us, your wisdom, your knowledge today. I really appreciate it. I'm so excited to dig into this conversation about health and leadership and making the world a better place and legacy. So let's dig in. I know that you yourself, like myself, have endured serious health challenges. Lyme disease, cancer. Can you tell us a little bit about how that journey shaped the direction of your work?

Yeah, I, you know what? I think it shaped everything about my life and probably more than my personal health was my children's health, to be honest, because four kids and, and going through health issues with them was really difficult. And personally as a person, I think I can deal with it. But when it's someone that you comes out of your body that you're responsible for, or even if you adopt a child or you're taking care of someone, it's a lot. For my personal health story, I just knew I wanted live and I knew there were different ways to live. I knew that my family, my mother's family was Cherokee and Choctaw Indian. I knew, I knew a lot about herbs. I grew up on a farm. I understood that there were natural things. I also worked for the top pharmaceutical biotech companies, so I understood there were other solutions that were synthetic that could probably help even more initially, but long term, I understood the side effects. And of course, I don't think you really know that unless you're working inside the pharmaceutical and research and development, because otherwise you're training doctors and nurses, nurses and people, and they hear what you're teaching them. Right. And so there's a long process that goes through that. You go to the FDA and then you have to get things approved and then you go to the insurance companies and studies are studies. Some of them are done in this country, some are done internationally. People don't Realize that there's different criteria. And for me it was really a wake up moment. I loved working in pharmaceutical and biotech. I have great relationships. I did not end a job in those countries negatively ever. It was my decision to try to work on things naturally. And I think the reason that was my decision is I didn't want to spend my life on like if I go to a doctor right now, they're going to prescribe 13 medications, right? For things that I have. And I understand that. And I understand that the pharmaceutical, biotech and medical professionals have saved people here. I also understand they saved them in Nigeria where they use natural things. And I also understand they've saved them in Malaysia. And it's actually very ignorant for people not to understand that. We kind of cut in our medical books here. Huge chunk of the international. And because I've worked in 92 countries with 57 presidents, I've been exposed to healthcare professionals everywhere. And I. So I think for me that made me want to do that. Does that make sense? Like, I would never. I was into art, I was into music, I love to dance, I love to do all this, this fun stuff. I would never have traveled to all those countries or put my life to work, the hours of that I've worked. Or to be honest or to learn business. I was not into business. I was a very bohemian artist person that just wanted to have fun. And that changed me. It made me want to learn. What are they doing in other countries? What are they doing here? What's the real story? Understanding that a textbook is not the real story. Right. A textbook is something that someone else taught us and we selectively choose certain parts to then pass on to generations. Right. And of course, if you've never lived in Nigeria or spent time there learning from a doctor and they cut that out of our textbooks, how would we know? Right? No, I think, I think it changed a lot about me. It didn't make me negative either. It didn't make me angry. Like I hear a lot of people that get angry about the health care system. It made me understand different decisions, it made me respect different choices. It made me understand that it was ignorance that was hurting people. I don't want to use the word stupidity. If you don't understand something and you've never been exposed to it, how could you treat a patient with that if you've never heard about it? So it really, it really shaped my life to be a globally, I would say 80 to 90% of my career has been international, not in the United States. So it really, I think that changed my life. I don't think I would have ever have done all of those things. I think I was such the student. School came easily to me. So I. Before I got Lyme disease, I could take any test. I understood so much. I lost a lot of that memory, right? And so that really impacted me too. Understanding and I think that was like a gift for me to start understanding. Not everyone has an Iodetic memory. Not everyone has the ability to look at a math equation and know the answer or science. So losing that part for me also benefited me because it helped me learn in different ways and it helped me understand people better. Do you know what I mean? Because before that I'm like the a student that just wants to take the test. I want the teacher to call on me and say, great job. And then I wanted to have fun after school. I never had to study, I never had to do homework. Then when this happened and I became so sick, it was much more personal. And I think it changed everything. I really do. I do not believe I would be the person I am, nor would I ever have started these companies and worked this hard if it hadn't have been for a health for me. Like, because my biggest thing was I think other mothers and other doctors and other scientists should know what's happening in Malaysia and should know what's happening in Lebanon and Syria where I spent quite a bit of time. They should know, right? But it's not something that you typically learn in medical school or like I went back to Harvard and studied for three years in nanobiotechnology. You're not hearing all of that. Do you know what I mean? You're at a great school, you're learning great things, you're around great people. But I do think that completely changed my life because it made me understand the importance of my life. But it also made me love people more because it made me understand they deserve to know the answer. They didn't deserve just to know what's happening in their city or by their healthcare provider or by me. Like, I don't have all the answers. And anybody that's arrogant enough to act like they do, they're lying to people. Right? And so that, that changed me because it really humbled me. It made me realize I'm not that smart, I'm not that great. I don't have all the answers. But there's world full of people out there that do. And that's what how I really believe it changed me.

Yeah. So many parallels between our journeys too. I mean, mine was like one of pain to purpose as well. And also like looking for answers for my own. I have a medically complex daughter with a super rare genetic disorder. And it's true, like we learn this information and then we can share it and we can make it more accessible for others. And there's change that can truly be created from that is powerful. And I'm. I can only imagine too that your journey led to your businesses like you were building the solutions for yourself that now get to serve all these other people.

Yeah, yeah. And it was probably again going back to me, it was because I lost a child. Right. And I had another child, cancer. So that's what drove me more than even my own personal journey. But that impacted me because those are my kids. Right. And so it's not a flippant story. It's not. It's like people before have said, why would anyone go to this much school? Why would they? And the answer is, if you've had a child that. And you are in the medical profession in science or medicine. I did get my medical degree in Kasman University in Africa, but I've never practiced as a medical doctor. I have treated patients in investigator sponsored trials with IRBs and FDA because of what I've done, the pharmaceutical. But, but it was really me wanting to understand how I could help my child. So I understand what, what your path is. And we each have different paths and not one's more important than the other. For whatever reason, God took my path international and then the government and then different stuff like that. But I was talking to one of my good friends, Karen Floyd. It's hard to explain to people because. And she's gone to as many countries as I have. But that's not typical. Right. If that stuff wouldn't have happened to my children, even if it were just me personally, I don't believe I would have taken the path to learn. And I'm sure you're that way if you have a daughter or son that's like that. I mean you have, you feel a burden to understand as much as you can. So you can teach other people, you know.

Absolutely. Well, thank you for all your work. I can only like I know from your, one of your supplement lines even like I think about your journey with lime and your inability to focus as well. I have exhausted all types of focus supplements and I gotta tell you, yours comes out on top. Zone in is 10 out of 10. So thank you personally for that.

I did that for myself again, so I say I'm not selfish, but a little bit. It was that for. For me and for my children. I wanted a sexual functioning. I wanted something to improve sexual functioning for women. So this is going to take a little bit of a different time.

I love it.

Just like there's a thyroid issue. If there's a hormone issue, you're being impacted sexually. Right. And so for me, protecting. Because every time you talk about sex, majority of people will think of a vagina. And I'm not trying to get off topic or penis or like, but you know this. There's much more involved in that. And so I really wanted a product that would increase performance. And then because I had two kids that were labeled ADHD and possibly autistic, I wanted to make sure they could focus and I didn't want them on medication all day. And not that I'm judging other parents that do this. I say this constantly. I don't other people that make different decisions than me at all. I think people deserve to have the option. But I wanted to have energy. I didn't want to be on Adderall and I'm. I have to be on constantly and I get tired. I didn't want to take. What was it that everyone used to take? Is it phentermine? Like, do you remember? Yeah, I don't want to. I remember though, being so tired and one of my co workers giving that to me and thinking, this is just great. Like I feel great. But then I wanted something natural and zero in. Makes me feel natural without the hype. But it's a slow. I mean, you're really focused on it. And I just kind of kicked it up a little bit. I just went back into manufacturing. I wanted to even make it more. It is increasing performance and cognitive functioning. But I did want to add a little bit more of the sexual functioning because it wasn't doing as much. Women are not like men. Like, Viagra works and it was first a cardiovascular drug. And then they realized, okay, people are dying on this, so let's switch it. And then they're like in the middle of the testing, they're like, but they are getting an erection, right?

They're like, we'll use it for that.

We'll use it for that. And of course that was like, I was. I was there when that was launched. And that was like one of the funnest things you can imagine that that help really, really improved marriages in some instances didn't. Because the problem was then some people thought, well, I can just leave. But in most instances, it really improved people's lives. And I wanted something like that for mothers because I have to tell you, once I became a mother, the. The feeling of exhaustion was so intense that it was like. And you can't complain about it. Like, who do you complain to? Other mothers that are feeling the same way.

So true.

And then you have a sick child and you probably don't remember this, but I'm older than you. People didn't even want to talk about hormones. If you mentioned, like, thyroid hormones, no one even wanted to hear about it. It was like a secret, like, we're not going to talk about this. So anyway, the zero in was, for me, something that could really help me and my friends and also could help with children. And if you said to me, well, does that increase their sexual functioning? Here's the thing about estrogen and testosterone and you're a subject matter more than I am on. On things like that. But women have to be in the right frame of mind. Women have to be able. It's not just a physical 1, 2, 3. It can be sometimes. But truly there is a difference psychologically. And my first background was psychology and how. How women handle things. Children just need to be able to focus during the day. Right. But I'm glad, I'm glad you, like, zero in because for me, that was a key factor to improve humanity. It's like so many times women get left out.

Not like most of the time, actually.

I think. And I'm like, this may not be a Chanel bag or a Prada pair of shoes, but it can make you feel better during the day. And so. And I didn't want something that was addictive. It was really important to me to have something natural that would help people. So it actually, the more you take that, the more it's really helping your body regulate. Yeah.

Really? Oh, my gosh. I'm so excited because I already see the effects. Yeah, Hands off. Because truly, truly, I have tried all the natural ways because like you, I try and work out extra productivity basically during my workday. So hats off. Yeah. What? I know that one of your passions is transparency and wellness manufacturing. I want you to tell me why that is so important to you and to why other people need to know it's important in general.

Yeah. So like I. So when we first started, I've worked for a lot of manufacturers. People don't know that. I actually even went back to Cornell to study manufacturing. I wanted to understand. I don't build manufacturing. Just so you know. I'm not a contractor. I am a scientist that goes in and make sure that you're doing everything correctly. And I'm a formulator. Right. And so I can work in clean rooms. And one, one of the things that I realized was that the United States does have what's perceived as the highest level of manufacturing. Like if you have on your label made in North America, some things have changed. But truly, even though your other markets are trying to get in and take over manufacturing. And by the way, my goal, because I saw this in the pharmaceutical, when I was in the pharmaceutical, we were manufacturing the United States. Then we started moving everything internationally.

Yeah.

I really believe those controls aren't in place. We have what's called gmp, but our GMP goes through the FDA and the Department of Defense. Right. So when, when a, a company becomes GMP certified, it's important. And then NSF is another certification that I'm finalizing in our manufacturing. The truth is you can go buy something and it could not have the GMP certification and it can still be sold internationally. So think about this Roots. One of the companies I work with, their products, they're in 90 countries. They have to go through their registration and compliance and get retested. Wow. So it's a lot. If you have a company that's put. And think about this, you know, this about life. You're a pa when you're in healthcare and medicine, there's always a potential for lawsuits. There's all. And if you're in 90 countries, you're dealing with 90 legal systems. Right. So it's, it was a huge lift. And from a business side, I just want to go back to this. That's why I started understanding business long ago. Because I understood if I'm a scientist or in medicine and I don't understand business, I'm never going to be able to make these changes. Right. And so just when I took over manufacturing in January of this year and the state of South Carolina is helping with giving me the space, a hundred thousand square feet for the third manufacturing. Because we have one here in Nashville now we have one in Vegas. Some of the stuff I uncovered was not accurate. Right. Like if I have a certificate, a certificate that says kosher or organic, then I'm going to test it. Right. And a lot of manufacturing plants don't. And here's why I think it's important people talk clean manufacturing, I talk remediation. And what I mean by that is it's not enough for me to work in manufacturing and clean the vitamin C and clean the grains. You have to test and retest and then you need to make sure that it is the purest form and goes through different processes. So I have 18 patents filed, we have 78 more to file. And then we have 3,000, over 3,000 trademarks on processes on how to clean. So it's, it's hard because you can go to Walmart, you can go to cvs, you can buy stuff off the Internet. How are they really making the products you put inside your children? How are they making? So what if you're taking a grains product or an oil that has mercury in it? What's the point? We all need, we all need Omega 3. Right. But if there's, if there's mercury at a high level. Right. Of that, then there's a problem. Right. Because you're just giving yourself that. You're trying to get the Omega 3 because maybe you shouldn't eat fish all day because of the microplastics and the mercury, but who's cleaning it? And so I just decided I want this to be something that my children can take every day or my best friends or my parents who are 83 and 84. And it means spending a lot more money.

Yeah.

But it means, for me, for us it's meant our margins are really a lot lower than most manufacturers. But for me the margins are still there, the business is still there. And as a scientist, it was the only, the only way because I was really focused. Some of my patents got approved for reversal of aging and the skin, hair, nails. Yeah. And I really. When you talk longevity, you talk anti aging. If you keep putting heavy metals and toxins and I don't know if you know this, but I'm sure you do know this. A plant can hold on to E. Coli or salmonella, bacteria and fungus and parasites can be in vitamins and minerals and plants. Wow. So for me it was a major thing. Yeah, it was a major. Like when people eat a salad, they can get sick from the salad. Right. Because of the spinach has stuff on it. So this just became something really important. And then when I realized that organic, some things that were organic actually had GMO seeds planted in organic land, that was another eye opening experience. And that's really how the coffee came into play for me. Because I wanted coffee I could drink every day. They didn't have my toxins or heavy metals or pollution. So that was really important. I mean, for me, because of having Lyme disease and cancer, having children with health issues, the last thing I wanted to do was to be a scientific inventor that did those things. I mean, I wanted to be as pure as possible. I can't make everything perfect. It's like if you and I were going to make spaghetti today, we would both try to get the most organic, the healthiest. But it's not perfect. It's like clothing, right? You do your best. It's like medicine. You do your very best. And so my goal is to keep getting better. And now we're getting into the medical device space. I've always been in the data analytics space because I feel like you need to look at the data and see how you should treat patients. And I also believe we should gather that data internationally. But you and I both know how hard that is. I mean it's, it's a much bigger discussion and a lot harder. But I'm sure I'm a lot like you. If you've had a child that was sick, it becomes important, right. It becomes, it becomes more than a career. It becomes just the right thing to do. And that's how I approach manufacturing. It actually has been a lot of work. And if you ask me if I'm thankful I did it, I'm gonna tell you, it is so much work because of all the details.

Right.

And anyway, it's.

You wouldn't want to go back and start again if you had to.

You could, you probably couldn't make me to be honest. Right, Exactly. I'm already here and so I'm doing it like every time I check a box I'm like, well this other thing's wrong. So let me change this. So I've really. People probably don't always like me right now because I'm trying to make things as, as healthy as possible as quickly as possible for the world. Because we've already been exposed to enough negativity.

Totally. And, and in this time, toxins are inevitable. Right. Like even if we do our best, we make our best Spaghet, we do all the things, inevitably we are exposed to toxins all day, every day. I'm curious, what are some of your favorite science backed ways to detox safely, effectively?

Yeah, I just did this with our whole, our headquarters. I just left our headquarter meeting. Clean slate is a zeolite that I worked on. But I took the silica out. So it's interesting. I was just in L. A and we were talking about. Human beings have the most energy. We're like an antenna. Right? So when you have like our cell phones that we all have, you're really. When you talk about toxins, well, this is communicating with me, right? Because So I developed a zeolite that was like a silica understanding and pulled out the silica, cleaned it and put a multi process in embedded trace minerals and vitamins into it. So it would go into the body to help break apart toxins that shouldn't be there. Not by going into past the brain barrier into the cell, but communicating with it through natural mechanisms. Because as a scientist I worked on human monoclonal antibodies, different types of vaccines, different things that we would develop. Everyone understands that that's possible. Right. You've heard all the different debates with everything. But when you talk about natural, most people don't understand it's possible to do things naturally too to help clean your body. You do understand when you talk about brushing your teeth, you understand about taking a bath. Clean slate was so important to me. I did not know we would launch it the month the pandemic happened. I had actually developed it in, in 2015. I changed it in 2019. I wanted because one of, one of the initial formulas that I did that I still love, that's really good for water. And I'm getting ready to apply for a remediation project with some of the major government entities to try to remediate the land, air and water. But I wanted something that would also help people supplement. Because the problem with detoxification is you can strip a system. And even when you talk about the thyroid, you don't want to strip everything. Right. And so what I kept finding were zeolites that I felt like were stripping people's bodies, chelation therapies that I feel like can really help people but can hurt people. Right. It's like everything, there's both sides. So clean slate honestly is my favorite formulation. And just most people don't know this. There's a lot of other formulations out there that I developed in that space, but I don't use them. And it's not that I don't like them a lot, it's kind of, it's. I'm sure it's like you, like a lot of times you'll have a client that wants to do something and no matter what you say to them, they're not going to do what you tell them. That happens with me as a scientist, people don't realize that like I can talk to someone and say that's really not the best way to develop a product because scientifically that's not going to help the body. But if a brand doesn't care about the cost or they want to save money. Right, right. Or they think they know more than the scientist because they read it or saw a post on social media. There's nothing I can do. You either lose the business. And so I still try to make it as healthy as possible. But I think when it comes to really detoxification, people have to understand everything we're eating right now. Like you said, even your fish, even if it's in a very clean space. I mean our governments know mycoplastics are in our blood, they're in the fish. It. I do think we're brilliant as human beings. Like we, we're smarter than a mutation. I say that to people all the time. But if you really want to detox your body, the key to it in my opinion is different types of products that don't feel like naturally we're doing it like we used to do it. Like I think our kidneys, our liver, our pancreas are just overloaded. Like one of the reasons you're going to see I just did a podcast with one of the top people in Kentucky and the government talking about that one out of every five children would be born with a, a basically cognitive functioning or neurodegenerative or something because of autism and ADHD and depression. And it's just gotten more and more. And I don't believe that's because of just the parents. I believe it's the environment, the toxic. So doing basic things I think are really important. I am a huge component of Hocl hydrogen peroxide. Like there's things that I don't make that, that I do know help people because your, your goal is you're going to have bacteria, you know, you're going to have parasites are part of all of our bodies. Like I think it's so interesting we until recently, like now in all your pharmaceutical commercials it says let your doctor know if you have a fungal or parasitic infection. Well, news flash for everyone, if you've had animals, right, and everything, you've got them, you know what I mean? It's just that we're not like Nigeria or Uganda because we don't have as high of a level where we're worried about dying immediately. But the truth is they all live there. So detoxing. And I always say it's just putting your body into peace and equilibrium and a lot of that is just getting rid of inflammation. So there's basic things and you know them as well as I do. Like if you're going to eat a lot of carbs and a lot of sugar, well, you're not detoxing like Right. Your body's inflamed. And so for your body to really get rid of things, one of the keys, I know this sounds so simple that I tell people, drink water, drink green tea, gargle Himalayan sea salt. I know they sound basic. Right. But all of those things will really help. Even taking a bath in different types of oils and salts helps the skin, because your skin's your largest organ. Detox. And so for me, it's just every person has to make this a priority. But if they don't know how to do it, I know it is hard. I would just advise people to make sure when they're detoxing they're not completely taking the vitamins and minerals out of their body that their body needs.

Absolutely. I've seen that happen on so, so many occasions. One, I want to pivot because I just want to pick your brain myself. But I know that you are, and I don't know the exact stats on this, but I know you are living in a very male dominated field and you have made incredible innov, been incredible change in the wellness community. I want to know one, what it's like being a woman in that situation and two, how you have felt and obtained the ability to rise above that friction and create everything that you've created.

So that's a great question. Thank you for asking me that question. Today was a good time for you to ask that too because we just developed a partnership and they, they sent me down these amazing people that I'm getting ready to work with that would like to stay anonymous right now. But they, they, I'm the first female that they've worked with in their inner circle. And they, they said, you are the first female that we've decided to work with in this kind of position. And I asked why, I said, why? Why am I the first? Because unfortunately, sometimes women can be a distraction. Sometimes women can be. The gossip is not something in a, when you're in a CEO position or you're in a very male dominated world, they don't want to deal with it. They don't want to get from someone and tell them in five paragraphs how long something took or how difficult it was or complaining. It's just not part of their world. Because when you reach a level of here, when you really obtain that, I think that's when you get a decision. When you get power and money, how are you going to use it? Are you going to do something good? Are you going to do something just for yourself? Are you going to help humanity? And in Healthcare, it is a male dominated world and I feel like more women need to be in it. I think in business on the level most female CEOs only last two years in health care, there's so many lawsuits, there's so many different issues.

Less than 3% ever hit a million in revenue.

Less than 3%. So I'm glad you know that. Listen, do you know that that only 7% of the patents were written by women and less than like 001 of women had more than 2. And if you ask me why, I mean, I have a daughter, I have three sons and a daughter. I don't know the reason why. But I'll say this. Some of the men that I've worked with in my career were absolutely horrible to me. I've never said that on an interview. They were absolutely horrible to me. I mean, like, you know when someone makes a sexual comment to minimize you, I don't like that. Like, it may be funny, but it's demoralizing and I don't need that. I don't make those comments. Right, right. And, and then when everyone laughs, okay, maybe that was funny. But the point is to make me feel less of a person than I am. So I don't like that. And then I also don't like, like one of the comments I've heard throughout my career is I'm either a really good person and I care about humanity or I'm a really bad person and I just want to make money. And my comment is what? Tell me, explain that. Because a lot of people have a hard time understanding a female that understands business and is going to do to really make things happen and stick with it because it takes work. And it's like if a guy's doing it, it can seem like if a woman's doing it, it can be she's a bitch. Right, Right, right. Or. Or another thing I've had women and men tell me is is really good. CEOs don't cry and they don't show emotion. I had someone tell me the other day they'd like to teach me how to speak in public. I've spoken in 92 countries on stage. It's just. And it's not just men. Do you know what the interesting thing is? Women hurt each other. I hate it too. And more.

I hate that more.

I hate that more. And I feel like it's like the older women are jealous of the younger women that are younger or prettier and the younger women just want to learn from the older women. But then sometimes they'll use the women that are trying to mentor them. And so my whole thing, which is why I speak a lot about female empowerment and women, is I really want to change this. I want to invest in female businesses. I want to and I have in my past, I want to support women. Not that I don't love men. I have three boys I love more than anything, I have an amazing husband, but I have amazing friends. Like the new group that we just partnered with, they're such great people. And when they were talking, I kept thinking, they told me why they didn't, hadn't worked with them and then they told me why they were going to work with me. Because it's no bs, I'm just going to get the work done. We're going to get to the point. I don't have time for gossip or not liking. Like let's say one of my male partners brings in a 20 year old girlfriend and he's 60, okay, if that's who he wants. Or 21, sorry, 22. You know what I mean? I'm not here to judge. I am here to have an ethic, ethical, moral compass though I'm not going to do things that are inappropriate and I'm not going to stay at a party where inappropriate things are happening. And that's what I'm going to say. I think you have to as a female make those decisions. I don't think things have changed as much as people think. I think there's still racism, I think there's still people with your gender. They're still biased. But I'm glad I'm a female. I'm sure you are too. Like I don't feel sorry for myself. I'm thankful that I'm here and I'm up for the challenge to help other women and I really believe this will be and to be working with amazing men too. Right. And I would say where I am right now because of the men that I've been in front of, it's been amazing. But in my past, just so you know, pharmaceutical, biotech, they were great to me. But when I stepped in to be a CEO, that's when like people started going after me. Yeah. And it was hard. The transition was hard. They cut my, my education, who I was as a person and I don't need any of the education. I have to be honest, I didn't. I mean I went to South, I was a graduate assistant in school, kept going back to school. But the truth is there's a lot of men out there. I know you know, this, that are like marketing and talking about science, but they don't even have the medical or research or science background.

So many.

Yeah, it's so, so. And I think I'm not mad about it, but it's frustrating that women that do have it are questioned. Yes. I want to see more women talking about these things and getting the audiences to listen to them where it's not just about marketing, but it's really getting to truly the, the, the ways that we can help people. And that means there are products that compete with things I've done that I've made that are better sometimes than mine. And I have to be willing to be honest with people and humanity. I can't say everything I make is going to cure everyone. Right. That's not true. That's not accurate. And so I, I love meeting women like you because the truth is we've got to have more and more women that are standing together, not to hurt men at all, but to be strong and to be able to voice an opinion.

And I think our ability to lead and be in leadership is unique. We bring a unique skill set that men can't really tap into. And so there's a lot of power in that. So leading by example is an incredible, incredible way to build up and influence the next generation of female leaders. So thank you so much for your work, for all that you've put in to the health and wellness of other people, but even for female empowerment and progressing us so far on this journey. So thank you. And thank you so much for being here today and for the time that it took for you to share your message with my people.

Thank you. Thank you for your time, too. And I look forward to interviewing you. And I'd like to. I'd like to ask for a favor. I would like us to be able to disagree on scientific topics and learn from each other, because when we were in school, that's all we did. I remember my professor saying, you don't get an opinion because you haven't graduated yet. I was working on my PhD and they were like. But I really loved. I loved debating and learning. A lot of times I was wrong. Right. Sometimes I'm right and sometimes I'm not. And the reason I'm asking for that favor is I think if we can get women together that are willing to do that. And I have a very good friend, Annabel Morgan. Her husband's the next president of the Grammy board. I think Gramps Morgan, great person. We disagree a lot. And Annabelle and I have been friends for such a long time. One of the basis of our friendship is we never get mad at each other. We just have different opinions. Because she was trained at Vanderbilt. I mean, we just were trained differently. And it's, it's. I'm asking for that favor because I think we can learn and I think we can help in health if we'll do that with each other.

It's the foundation to evolving. Right. I'm always willing to do that.

Thank you. Thank you. And thank you so much for today. I enjoyed it.

Me too. Me too.