258: Behind the Words: Unveiling the Spin and Subtext in the Jonas-Turner Divorce

In almost every celebrity scandal or PR crisis, every move, every statement carries weight, often telling a story that transcends the words we read or hear in the media. Last week it seemed like everyone on social media was smarter than the team behind these PR moves. He's calling the paparazzi on himself. Like yesterday there was a shot of him with a. With a three year old having lunch. There's a spin here that I don't understand because I think there's a prenup. Welcome to the Indestructible PR Podcast. I'm Molly McPherson, your frontline crisis communication strategist, here to turn crises, bad news and scandal into lessons in resilient reputation building. Each week I go beyond the buzz, finding trending news and pop culture moments to unveil the PR mastery or blunders that shape the perception you see online. Join me as we go behind the headlines. Last week the world watched as a very high profile relationship unfolded into drama as the news leaked out over the possible divorce of Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner. First came the leak, then came the opinion, then came the official statement. When they announced the divorce through their joint statement on social media, they were asking for calls for privacy and respect. The whole narrative was polished, but it was certainly a counter to what everyone witnessed over the weekend. So let's peel back the layers of the carefully chosen words, the orchestrated PR moves to expose a deeper story that might be lurking underneath. A story driven not by the end of a marriage, but by the underlying currents of moves. How do people change perception in the midst of a PR scandal? This isn't just a story about two celebrities. It's a story about perception. In this episode, let's explore the telltale signs of a planted story and a sculpted statement that might suggest a narrative more complex than what is portrayed. A narrative where PR spin may have played roles behind the scenes. But first, before we get started, if you want to join me in a conversation about this topic and other types of topics that we see in the news and on social media, join me in my PR Confidential community. I will answer your questions. So a lot of people ask me questions all over social media. I don't have as much time to do it. There's because I'm not on my phone all day, contrary to what you might think based on my social media posts. But I am on my computer and every day I devote time to answering questions in that community. So you can head on over to 5me mollymcpherson and join the PR confidential community. I have a free tier, but I also have an all access PR Insider tier as well and that one has the community where we are going to have monthly chats about the big news stories that we see in the little letters that we learn about them. Not only that, in the community, I'm also offering trainings and a lot of the different topics that I talk about and explore. So if you work in public relations, crisis communication, marketing, leadership, and you want to learn more and also get access and discounted access to a lot of these trainings, then join me in that community there. So on September 12, so that is the night this podcast releases, I'm going to have a live video chat chat in the community, all access PR Insider community in the PR Confidential website 5Me Molly McPherson. So join me. If you're listening to the episode today on the release day, join me tonight at 7pm Eastern Time. All right, let's talk about what happened with Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner. I'm going to look at it from the aspect of, of public relations, public relations, spin, publicity and crisis management. I am doing this way late in the day. Today was supposed to be a day firmly dedicated to one project, and then yesterday was the same thing. But instead I just received so many calls, media, press, calls about the story. And I had to take them because this isn't just your everyday celebrity news story that I'm commenting on. I'm not going to be the person that comments on that. But these are the questions about the PR spin behind and I am forever fascinated by spin. You know, it's what I do for a living. I debunk the spin, I highlight the spin. I don't believe in the spin, at least not in my work. But when I spot it, and when I spot it in a celebrity story, I'm gonna call it out. That is, if I have the time to post it on TikTok, which I did last week. But so let's look at first the timeline of this divorce and when we first started to hear it. Now, this was an interesting one because, okay, full disclosure, this is not a story I am looking at, you know, myself. I am not tracking what Joe Jonas and the Joe Bros do on a daily basis. I am someone who is, you know, working in the space, you know, of pr. But when it does intersect and it's something I have familiarity with, well, then I am absolutely all in. I have no problems with the jobro. So let's start with my disclaimer. I like the Jonas Brothers. My kids did not fall into true Jonas Brothers fandom when they were young. I was certainly aware of them. They like them now. And I have late teens and early 20s. They're all college students, and they, you know, like their music. And the JoBros have a space in my heart because they were, you know, fellow award winners of, you know, the ad Age. You know, I received an award where it was the career Maker, you know, award, and they. For, you know, my TikTok and the Joe Bros. Received that, you know, social media, you know, image maker award for their, you know, work on social media as a band. Grand winner, you know, was Drew Barrymore, who we all love. So I do have a space in my heart for them because my name was right next to their name, and I thought, oh, my gosh, how's that for? Well, okay, it's the Alphabet, but still love them. And Sophie Turner. Okay, full disclosure, I could not get into Game of Thrones. I couldn't. I tried, but the problem was I always watched it too late at night, and you have to listen, and it's the accents, and I'm. I'm not disparaging it. I know it's a great show. I run to songs on the soundtrack, so I feel like I know it. But I'm not deep into the Game of Thrones, but I am fully familiar with her character and all of it enough to speak about it. All right, so let's go into the timeline of what happened here, and let's look at this from my perspective, which is, you know, public relations, looking for spin. The first time that I even noticed, it was a call out from someone tagging me on social media. And it was one user in particular who mentioned to me that. That the timing of the news about Joe Jonas was suspicious to him because it was on the Friday of a long weekend. And he indicated that, you know, I learned this, you know, from Molly B. McPherson. And when I saw that, I went, hmm, what's going on here? Because I'm always down for these Friday plays. And sure enough, we were witnessing news about, you know, a couple where a divorce would be surprising to people who perhaps don't follow blind gossip. But I'm gonna come back to blind gossip in a moment. But this idea of the Friday news dump is a strategy that goes back in time. This is nothing new. People might be new to it because I talk about it on TikTok and on Instagram, but there is historical context to it back in the days originated, you know, straight out of Washington, D.C. political circles. You know, anyone working in that area, you know, of the government and News and that relationship between the two, when there was a bad story that needed to get out, it wasn't one that was hidden. But they wanted to release the news. They were going to deploy a tactic to bury the news. It's a way to release information discreetly. If you release it on a Friday afternoon, it's less likely to be picked up. So it loses its novelty over the weekend. Because on Fridays, when you're looking at traditional news media, we have editorial meetings that are at 10, they're at 11 in the morning. Whether it's newspaper, local news, national news, at a network, whatever it is, they're sitting down for that mid to late morning editorial meeting. Like, okay, what's going on today? What is going to be our lead story here? What's going to be top of the fold story? And then they discuss the news and then the news is gathered throughout the day. If it is a Friday, everybody is at the end of the week and everything is being put to bed. And if you have a newspaper or if you have a broadcast coming out, there's really not a lot of incentive to break big news on a Friday because that's going to require someone to work overtime and work on the weekends. And they already have everything in play. Like the newspaper already has a layout and the script is already written put in the teleprompter. So we can't insert a story and give it all the research that it needs. So by sending it out on a Friday, whether it's a press release or a statement, people usually have to scramble on that or the press has to scramble. And what it gives is the weekend now in the traditional news media days. So let's say, let's go back to the 90s. I was working in Washington D.C. back then. I lived and worked by that schedule. When I started my day every day as a director of communication, my clock was set by the media. I knew when to pitch the press and I also knew when it was too late to pitch the press. Even if I wanted to send something to a reporter, I knew the Times not to do that. Even now I know the cadence and the rhythm of reporters when they do their stories. So when people reach out to me, I gotta get back early. Because nowadays it's that 24 hour news cycle and they wanna whip that story out in a day. And in some cases it has to be vetted, you know, through legal to make sure that everything that's written is okay to be printed, that there's not going to be any type of legal blowback. But now the Friday news drop is still deployed, though, even in 2023. Now, when I do posts about it, I've mentioned it a few times on TikTok, so people associate it with me, which secretly I absolutely love. I love to be known as someone who exposes a move, a move that is in my industry. And have I deployed that in my lifetime? Oh my gosh, not by choice, but, ugh, one time it just comes back to me. I have PTSD about having to deal with this. And when I was back working in Washington D.C. trying to navigate, ugh, you know, bad stories. But these stories now being dropped in a time of social media. A question that I get a lot is, does it even matter anymore? Is there such thing as a Friday news dump when there are no deadlines in social media? Because everyone is still talking about it throughout the weekend. Yes and no. Yes, everyone is talking about it, but the people who are talking about it are not editors. They're not. They don't work at news outlets. Or they may be following it. I mean, they're likely following it and they know, oh, I gotta do this on Monday. Or I know I'm gonna be hit with this on Monday. Or an ED might see it like, oh, that's our story for Monday. I'm going to put that out there on Monday. And the reason why I know this rhythm is because I've dealt with clients and part of my work with them is alerting them to the different gates that we have to get through and what triggers them. And I've dealt with these late week problems and I've worked a couple weekends in a row because it kind of gives us this time where we can strategize. Not that I like to work weekends by any means, but we can follow chatter just like reporters do. They follow the chatter over the weekend just like I do as a PR strategist. I follow it over the weekend, but then the moves take place during the week. And what I don't want to have happen is I don't want the press to pick up the story. So I want this thing to die out over the weekend and so do my clients. But the press is ready to pick up with it. And so there's different triggers for me. You know, the first risk is I tell them, we don't want to breach the wall here where digital news picks us up, because that's always the first one. It's not mainstream media, it's digital. And then once digital picks it up, if enough digital people pick it up, Then mainstream media will pick it up, and then it's over. And I've definitely had clients where we've breached the mainstream media, but by the time it got there, we had already done the work. And so it turned out to be a positive story. Even though they touched on the negative, it turned out to be positive, too. So it worked perfectly. But that is the cycle. People who are releasing stories, they work with the cycle. Reporters work with the cycle, and people like me work with it, you know, as well. Okay, but now with social media chatter, and like, for instance, Saturday is like the peak day for Instagram, you know, I pulled that stat a couple weeks ago. I saw that. So, yes, you're going to get a lot of chatter, but you're not going to get the press. So the timing of this story coming out from Jonas Land on a Friday immediately raises suspicions with me. So I just start paying attention. And that's when I noticed that the choice of one outlet played a part in this, because this wasn't released everywhere. It was just a TMZ story. And when it's just a TMZ story, that tells me that someone just spoke with TMZ to tell their story. So if you go to the TMZ timeline right now, which is a little off, it's when they update their stories as well. But they announced Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner headed for a divorce. That's like dropping a nugget out there. It was not confirmed. And who even knows if Sophie Turner even knew this before it came out? Who knows? Nobody knows what happens behind the scenes, but we can start to figure out what's going on by how the pieces are being played and moved around the board. So then we start hearing different news, and it's reported again now, two days later, that Joe Jonas has filed divorce from Sophie Turner. So what went from hearsay and I don't know, news, Unsourced news. It's inside sources, but we never have, you know, the true definitive word on it. Like, for example, on People magazine, they said an inside source told people that Jonas and Turner were not separated, but have spent the whole summer apart, living separate lives for months. So when you read that, that just tells me, I don't know if this is fact, but I'm reading this. I bet a lot of savvy people on the Internet read that news drop by, people that went, you know, that's trying to be still a very formidable digital online magazine, that the inside source is likely a Jonas source. It could be someone from their team. It could be their dad. It could be anybody. But when we hear inside, that language is important. It's not just a source. It's People magazine is trying to lend as much authority and credence to that source as possible without saying who that source is. So an inside source says that tells me it's inside the camp. But they're not revealing the name. So they're officially not separated because likely Joe Jonas hadn't officially served Sophie Turner or filed the paperwork. But they're already doing the spin. They spent the whole summer apart. They've been living separate lives for months. Language like that suggests that someone is already trying to buttress their side of the story. Now, why do I think it's the Jonas side? Well, because the Jonas side is the one that filed for divorce. And these types of moves and these types of words and language where they're trying to frame it as well, you know what, we weren't together anyway. We've spent the whole summer apart. And we're not going to blame it on Sophie's work schedule, but we're going to say, you know, we've been living separate lives. This type of framing is to shape perception. It's to get the public to buy into the side that, oh, well, it perfectly makes sense. So what could a team do to lend credence to that type of argument? Well, if they're living separate lives for months and they spent the whole summer apart, well, who has the kids? How do the kids come into this? Hmm. So now we have September 5th, Joe Jonas officially files for divorce on the grounds of the marriage being broken. And in the filing noted that it is in the best interest of the minor children that the parties have shared parental responsibility. So this was a 50 50. No surprise there with an artist who performs on the road. But there's other things that are happening now. September 6th, you know, Jonas is performing in Arizona without his wedding ring. So that's one day after filing for divorce. So he was performing alongside his brothers Nick and Kevin. And of course, there were fan captured videos, because in concerts, the best way to break news is to do it at a concert. And I just spoke with now one of my favorite digital news reporters. I don't want to out the story yet, but I'll talk about it. But she had asked me about the use of concerts with a particular brand, so I'll probably circle back around to that one when that story comes out. Now the stories and the leaks are starting to happen, you know, so, you know, September 7th, TMZ publishes even new Reports stating that following the birth of Jonas and Turner's second. Second baby girl in July, Turner was, quote, unquote, struggling and, quote, didn't want to leave their home or, quote, be photographed to or go to events. This type of spin is supported by video that people have seen. There was an interview where she said that she's a homebody and Joe Jonas is more social. She was on Conan o', Brien, one of my favorites, you know, talking about the fact that they have different lifestyles. And, you know, she's talking about it in a very positive way, and it's now being spun against her. But read into that. Sophie Turner, a mother, she has two young kids. What does it say? That she likes to be a homebody and she wants to stay home. What that tells me is that's a mom staying home with kids, likely alone. Where's the spouse? So if the spouse were planning these types of stories, there's a lot of work to be done. What makes it difficult is that if you're going to paint a mother as negligent to their child, well, you gotta back it up. You've got to back it up. And the only thing they're backing it up with are media interviews stating that she's a homebody. But I'm sorry, homebodies to me, particularly if their parents. Those are the people taking care of the kids. All right, you're not hiring a babysitter to be a homebody. You're probably happy, you know, being home. Okay, so that is another piece of the framing that I see. So it is not easy to counter a quote from Sophie Turner when she told Conan o', Brien, everything seems to be working out in my favor here because Joe's a real social butterfly, so I struggle to lock him down and have him just spend time with me. It's like prison for him, but it's great for me. Something that I said to a reporter today, you know, about that comment, Joe Jonas probably doesn't even know that that comment was out there or didn't even pay attention to it or likely didn't even know that that was going to come out. If they did, I don't see them going after this whole narrative of her being somewhat of a person who sees parenting a little bit differently. So I think that they worked on this quickly, and it got a little sloppy for them. All right, so now, as we, you know, move through this timeline, this really is a case study in how not to shape narratives. Now, in one of my TikTok posts, and I'll include all three of them. I did a trio of posts about Joe Jonas. There'll be another one where I'll be talking about this podcast. That will be the bonus addendum. But he's trying to shape narrative and corral and herd public opinion when it's almost impossible to do that. And I had stated in One of those TikToks, my first one, if you try too hard to manipulate perception, it's gonna blow back on you. Because people are savvy nowadays, people, especially people on social media, oh, my gosh, they can pick apart anything. And that's exactly what they did. Even after my first posts, a lot of people wrote back or commented, but what about Joe? He was seen in Austin, Texas, wearing a ring. Okay. Then I went back on TikTok again. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about the art of redirection via the tactic of deflection. What better way to say that your fingerprints are not on PR Spin narratives about a marriage falling apart when you show up in concert wearing your ring. How smart is that? And it did work for a lot of people because all those people let me know, you know, some of them said, hey, you're wrong. Your thesis is wrong here. They didn't say thesis, but you're wrong. He was wearing a ring. And some people said, I'm confused. He was wearing his ring. And that's one of the comments that I took and created a new post about it. Like, don't be confused about this. This is just spin. Because we're using now photographs. We're using image as part of the spin. And as it moved forward with the narratives over the weekend, we eventually worked our way towards the end, which was the joint statement that was posted last Wednesday. So this story was a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday story. I think the attempt last Friday or the Friday before last was the Jonas team knowing that this divorce was imminent. Now, what we don't know is why is there another story? Is there another layer to this that could come out later? Maybe. I'm not saying this, that I know, and I don't want to plant a seed, but I'm saying in general, crises have a way of exposing other crises there. So maybe one or the other was with someone else, or there might be someone who comes out of the woodwork on this one. Whether that's true or not. The wheels were set in motion on Friday, and we had throughout the weekend and into Monday. It was the spin. The spin, the spin, the spin about, let's paint Sophie as the reason why this marriage was ending. It was all her fault. Now, the other piece of it too is, of course, then we all hear about this ring camera. That is the point where I think, this is just me. This is speculation. This is not truth. This is only speculation based on my experience. But Joe Jonas team was trying to use time in their favor in a crisis. And I say this, I don't say it often enough, but it is true. The most critical factor in a crisis is always time. It's always time. You can work with it or it can work against you. And that has exactly happened with Joe Jonah. So I think there was a point when we got to the early week where they knew they were losing it. They looked at the sentiment, they looked at what people were saying, like, okay, now we gotta go all in. And they threw a hail mar. And that pass was the ring camera. Multiple sources who have direct contact with Joe Jonas. So it's not Joe, but it's multiple people around Joe. Tell TMZ that Joe had access to ring cam that he said captured Sophie sane and or doing something that made him realize the marriage was over. What? So a reporter asked me, what do you make of that? And I said two things. The first thing I didn't want to say, but I said it. One, it could just be a subtle threat. You know, Sophie doesn't know. Now she has to think, oh, my God, what does Joe have on camera? You know, Joe could just be, you know, playing the odds on this one and just assuming, okay, clearly he doesn't have anything on ring camera, but he wants to perhaps make Sophie Turner think that he does. And if there could be something, then maybe this narrative will turn in favor of Sophie. But based on the statement, I think that that is not the case. And they filed for divorce because of that. Now, it could be an overt threat to Sophie saying, we've got this and you know what this is? You know exactly what this is, and we're going to release it. If you don't come to the table and have a divorce here, I don't know. But it doesn't feel like that. It doesn't feel like that because in the statement we have the sources and it's the. And. Or it's the and what does that mean? Either say it. Like if it really was something and Joe really had evidence that multiple sources would say that he had access to a rig cam that said he captured Sophie saying something that made him realize definitively the marriage was over, or that he spotted Sophie do something that made him realize this is over. That's different language, right? Other than saying and or no one speaks like that. What are you gonna call tmz? Hey, tmz, I got some scoop. Sophie either said or and did something or she did not, and maybe it's this or not. Stop. No one talks that way, but people write that way strategically. And TMZ also reported that Joe had been in touch with at least two divorce lawyers from the previous week, and both lawyers, interestingly, are in Los Angeles. Yet he decided to file these docs Tuesday in Florida. So then on Wednesday, we have the joint statement. Now, I had posted something to TikTok about the joint statement. A lot of people commented on it and received a different, almost, I don't know, thread of what I was getting to at the very end. But let's talk about the statement. Let's draw nuances from it, and let's read between the lines. So quickly, the statement from the two of us. After four wonderful years of marriage, we have mutually decided to amicably end our marriage. There are many speculative narratives as to why, but, comma, truly, this is a united decision, and we sincerely hope that everyone can respect our wishes for privacy for us and our children. There's a lot to pull from that statement. Now, again, let's clarify. I don't know anything that happened behind the scenes. I'm only looking at at this as someone who writes statements and who's written a quote, unquote separation statement or two in their career. I want to give thought to what I see when I see a statement like this. Now, first of all, let's just touch on the writing. I don't like to publicly come out and dunk on anyone, particularly people who are in my field. So someone who has to write a statement, I don't want to come after them. I want to share my feelings for them and my respect, because it's not easy doing this at all. So, I mean, there's statements that I've had that are public, that have gone out there that I did not like because my words were mangled. And there have been times where my words have gone out there and they've been precise. And what's interesting is I'll see my work sprinkled in social media and when people comment on it. And the best, most meta move is when people tag me on my own statements that I've worked on with a client and they'll say, you know, Molly B. McPherson, what do you think of this statement? I think it's crap. Molly B. McPherson would never write a statement like this. OR Molly B. McPherson, tell me or tell us what this statement means. I already did, and it's right there. You're reading it. Isn't It Funny how TikTok works and social media. Okay, so let's read between the lines. So this statement is designed to express unity and respect. Okay? It just is. It's written that way. But the writing, like I said, is clunky. First sentence, the word marriage is in there twice. After four wonderful years of marriage, we have mutually decided to amicably end our marriage. No one writes like that unless it's heavily edited and more people are involved. Now, my TikTok, I just call this redlining. That's the word that I use. But if it's on a Google Doc, I guess it would be called green lining. But redlining is when you're editing a paper. I, in my college course, I have a red pen and I edit, you know, actual paper. It's the same thing. It just feels like too many people got involved and we came out with that absolutely clunky sentence, then the next sentence. There are many speculative narratives as to why, but comma, the comma should be after why not? But there are many speculative narratives as to why, comma, but truly, comma, this is where this is a united decision. And I do, period. But I didn't write this. And we sincerely hope that everyone can respect our wishes for privacy for us and our children. So that's a good line, because that's good. Now, writing aside, it does follow my framework. Own it, explain it, promise it. You know, own it. After four years of marriage, they're getting divorced. They didn't say the word divorce. They didn't say it. And many times the reason why you don't see the word divorce is because it's a word with sharp edges. Divorce hurts people. Children of divorce do not like the word divorce. People who think, am I going to get divorced? Or when someone gets divorced, it hurts them if they're surprised by it. Or people who think, God, I think I have to get divorced. Like, it takes them a long time to actually wrap their brain around the idea. So the word is a highly, highly charged word. So I don't see any problem with not having it in there. There. It needs to be written with a soft touch, particularly when there are kids involved. So that's why I do respect the soft landing of this message, because they do have kids, and their kids someday are going to read this message. Okay, so reading between the lines, there are Many speculative narratives. As to why, when I see that and what I said on TikTok, that felt to me like it was written in a way originally where it wasn't there. Or Sophie Turner wanted to address all of the negative press about her, and she knows that Jonas Teen Camp did it. She knows that her team knows that she likely wanted to address that. Because I just know that from my work, every client I have who's been disparaged or just dragged online, they always want me to defend them publicly, like, how do we get this out? And I always tell them, we don't want to do that. We don't want to get into the fray and into the mud with them. We just don't. And it's always a back and forth. I feel that this happened here too. But Sophie Turner saying something to the effect, you said I was a bad mother. How dare you. So you need to address it. And they probably came to a place where speculative narratives was agreed upon, because even though it's implied that social media commentary created speculative narratives, you know, which is true, I'm one of them. I'm a part of it. This whole podcast is speculation, but the mud throne and the PR spin from the Jonas camp is likely what she's referring to, because those are narratives. So it's less about speculative, but more about the word narratives. And you, Joe, my friend, are the one who had said through it. So I believe that that was in there intentionally. Also, when I see word choice like amicably and united, the use of terms like that, you know, they're there to paint a picture of harmony and mutual agreement in this decision to part ways. However, when there's so much emphasis on it, it's just. It's a hint to what is likely happening behind the scenes. It's the counter. Okay? It's the complete opposite. So whenever someone thrusts the word amicably, like, even in my work, when someone insists on the word word amicably, it's always because it's not amicable, but we need to tell people it's amicable. So we have to use the word amicable. And in this case, they did it twice. You know, we're mutually decided. You know, it's amicable. They want, you know, unity in all of this, this united decision. You know, they said it more than once. You don't have to go crazy on this. You know, you have a joint statement that in and of itself shows that you're united on this mutual decision. Okay? You don't need to tell us 1, 2, 3, 4 times in there. The more I see it, the more emphasis on it, the more it tells me it's not true. And this is savage behind the scene. Okay? A common theme in crisis comms is respecting privacy. We love this in statements. We want to keep it in statements. It controls a narrative, but it's also there to protect not just them, but their children. We want them to have that protection and privacy. They deserve that. Their kids deserve that. And that's why with divorce statements, they're weighed a little bit differently, because there are kids involved. So this could have been a more harsher statement, but because they have young kids, they want it to be softer. And for that, I respect it. But when I see speculative narratives, to me, that subtext, okay, that is subtext from Sophie's team addressing that mud was thrown. This whole statement is neutral. Fine. But you've got to come clean on that. Now, let's look at the public reception and perception of this whole sordid affair. From the Friday drop to the carefully constructed statement. Was it all crafted to present a dignified exit from the marriage, or. Or was it to influence the public's perception about both sides, one more favorably left one? Or was it work to influence the public perception about both sides, one in a more positive manner and the other less so, based on. Well, the reception on TikTok is, oh, my gosh, the needle is way over on Team Sophie. Most of the response that I saw. Now, I know it's weighted because of algorithms, but most of the response was for pro Sophie. I did get a couple, you know, Jonas in there, definitely. But the reception has landed on the Sophie Turner side. Also, because of the amount of press calls that I've received just about this topic. Everybody wants to know about the PR spend behind Joe Jonas. Everybody. Which makes sense because that's what I was talking about. But still, all the questions were leading to why did this not work for Joe Jonas? And the reason why I feel so strongly about this is because of the spin that's witnessed in the beginning of it and also the inference from the silence. Sophie Turner maintained relative silence through all of it. All of it. And what I said in my TikTok post was this. Whenever there's a divorce, so whether it's in the celebrity realm or in the personal realm, in the private life, people that you know could be your parents, could be your friends, could be you, look for the person who is not spinning the stories. Look for the person who's silent on a lot of these issues. That's likely the person who is respecting not only themselves, but likely children, but also is just respecting boundaries of kindness. The person in a divorce, an acrimonious one, that is spinning, that is telling narratives. So in a celebrity realm, you're getting drops to TMZ and People magazine, but in the personal realm, it's Facebook, you know, social media. Maybe they're not outrightly stating it, but there could be one parent all of a sudden, the absent parent. That parent was never around. But all of a sudden on Facebook, there's a million photos of that parent with their kids. Parent of the year, Disney parent. I'm always with my kids. That's what you'll notice in these divorces. Someone is spinning to reshape the narrative. Look for the person spinning. Look for the person shifting the narrative, whether it's with their own family or kids. Social media, I'm the best parent in the world. And then dropping these little stories about that other person. Person. Oftentimes in divorce, there's just control, you know, and some people did mention, like, well, my mom blabbed around town when my dad cheated on her, and, you know, she didn't remain silent, but I don't think she was wrong. She was still the victim. Yeah, that one's true. That it's like a different scenario because here we're talking about when someone kind of plots that divorce, when an affair is discovered. Yeah, you can do one of two things. I mean, still being silent would still be. That would be a power move. But it's understandable if someone is going to go nutty because. And just start blabbing it and, you know, kind of do the hot wash of, oh, my gosh, I've been cheated on. You know, that's hard to keep in sometime, I think, for some people. So I understand it. But it's in the silence. All the power lies. It is in the silence. And so let's now move on. Let's look at why that is such an effective solution, no matter what you're doing. So whether it's a celebrity derailment of a marriage or some relationship, so some friction out there that's happening or conflict or it happens in the real space, what is it that people want to see? A publicist is going to give the same advice that a therapist would give in counseling. It's the same advice. One would be crafting a united front, which is what Joe and Sophie did, but only at the very end. All of this would have gone away for Joe Jonas. None of this would have happened for Joe Jonas. If he decided to do the divorce in a united way, he didn't. He chose, obviously, to drop this on Sophie. I mean, clearly. Or maybe he's already talked about it and she didn't want to do it. Who knows? We don't know behind the scenes. But Joe Jonas did not decide to go into this divorce with a united front. What that created was a lack of coordination in the rollout of it. So for celebrities, there needs to be that united front. And even you, if you're listening and you're going through this, any type of conflict that you're dealing with, or even from a business perspective, it could be a separation from a business partner. It could be a separation from someone in your business, some public split. You know, Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis, you know, whatever it is, or, you know, this generation's version of it, have a united front. Even if people don't necessarily believe it, the fact that you're both saying it and working together mutually on it lets people know, like, okay, we got it. You guys don't want to talk about it or deal with it. We're going to give you that, and we're going to let you move through it. The second piece is always to prioritize privacy. Again, in the celebrity world, if they have kids, especially, emphasize the desire for privacy, especially as it concerns children. But it also encourages these boundaries and also kind of gives you a little bit of a pass about not having to talk about it, because I've told people it's private, don't want to talk about it. So the application and personal matters is you can make a conscious choice to keep details private. Don't talk about it. And you can even do this if you're in your 20s and you're dealing with a breakup. Or even teenagers. Hey, hello. If you're a teenager listening to this and you're dealing with a public breakup, or let's say in a breakup, someone cheated on you. Oh, my gosh. And you were thrown sideways by that. Completely sideways. You thought you were dating the nicest, most honest person in the world. But then there's cheating involved. Oh, my gosh. And you know what? People are starting to find out about it. Like, what you want to do is tell everyone, hey, this is when you're in your 20s, your teens, and also if you're in your 50s, you want to go to a mountaintop, get a microphone while you're live streaming, and tell everybody what happened. You want to do that. It's understandable. And Joe Jonas almost did this in his PR Spin, you know, that's what he was trying to do from a PR point of view. But if you do that, you're going to be at the same level. The true power move is to ignore it. And I know it's hard. It's very, very difficult to do. It's incredibly difficult to do. But I've seen it in action. I have counseled people. I have counseled someone who went through a brutal, brutal reckoning when they found out that someone who they cared about deeply betrayed them. And publicly, more and more people were learning about it, and it was brutal. Just like, stand tall. Stand tall in silence. Because part of it, too, when people want to hear about it, or I heard this, I heard this, I heard this, I heard this, it's true. Part of it is they just want to know. They want to know the gossip of it, and it could even be close friends and there could be. You know, it's not for schadenfreude. Like, they really want to be there for you, but they also want to know the scoop. Refrain. Just refrain. Silence is the most important move, and it goes hand in hand with privacy. And the last piece of it is word choice and tone. So the importance of it, it significantly influences public perception if you're in the public space, but also in the private space as well. So see how you can write to craft respect and positivity. It's more dignified when you want to get through a trying time. So whether you are faced with an end of a marriage in the celebrity realm and we're watching it, or a change in professional circumstances, or if it is a personal matter, you're going through a divorce, or you're going through a breakup, and it's a public breakup, and it's ugly and it's messy and everybody's talking about it behind my back and I didn't know it. Think grace, think respect. If you can. And if you have to write a joint statement, if it's in that realm, you want unity, you want unity. I promise you, it helps you navigate the choppiest of waters. Because public opinion can be brutal when it's against you. But if you are sensitive to why people want you to talk or why people want you to get into the muck and into the fray, you're going to be able to get out of it. All right? In every single episode, I include one indestructible PR tip. It's a practical takeaway to help you build your indestructible reputation in the midst of conflict and rampant gossip that one indestructible PR tip stands tall and in silence. So in times of turmoil, remember, truth tellers have the luxury of sitting comfortably in the reality that they know the truth. They don't need to engage in the back and forth to prove their stance. On the contrary, the people who fabricate or twist truths, or in a relentless cycle of spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, they're constantly working to mold the perception to align with whatever narrative they want. Here, silence is not just golden, it's powerfully resolute. It offers this fortress of integrity that also shows that you are unshaken by this you are indestructible. And there you have it. I'm eager to hear your thoughts on the Jonas Turner split, the statement, and what you think about silence so you can join the conversation by checking out social media posts about this topic and let me know what you think. But you can also head on over to the PR Confidential community. Give me your thoughts. Give me your questions head on over there right now. 5 Me Molly McPherson I'm going to be answering your questions about this week's episode or anything else that I see by way of PR moves. So whether I'm uncovering them or you, let me know. Thanks for listening everyone. Bye for now.