259: In the Hot Seat: Analyzing Fallon and NBC's Reactions to Damaging Exposé

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Every episode of the Tonight show starring Jimmy Fallon opens with a curtain being peeled back to reveal the affable host as he bounds his way out to greet his audience in studio and at home. This week on the podcast, pulling back the curtain and peering behind it to sift through the wreckage from the recent Rolling Stone expose about the Tonight show and its host, showrunners and staff. Let's discuss what Jimmy Fallon and NBC had to say about this PR wrinkle. Come take a seat on the couch. We back. And now here he is, Jimmy Fallon. In the whirlwind that is the entertainment industry, where rumors and innuendos and allegations are constantly swirling, it becomes paramount for a media organization and celebrities to foster environments and brands that are grounded in respect and safety and inclusivity. Recently, another talk show became the epicenter of a storm following a scathing expose on the Tonight show starring Jimmy Fallon by Rolling Stone. It was yet another moment that put the spotlight on a talk show and the host. The revelations from the Rolling Stone article written by Christy Lee Yandoli paints a disturbing portrait of the work environment at the Tonight show, where toxicity not just festered, but became ingrained in its culture. Numerous past and present employees echoed an unsettling chorus of distress and stress. And speaking of a work environment that was marred by bullying and intimidation. And there seemed to be a persistent lack of empathy and understanding from the higher ups, the showrunners, and including Fallon himself. And in the face of these serious allegations, such as employees experiencing suicidal ideation due to the work conditions and the use of guest dressing rooms as crying rooms. That was a poll quote that almost everyone saw when they read this article. The responses that followed from NBC and Fallon seemed disconnected from the gravity of the issues that were raised in the article. Let's look at the damage now. When an expose is rolled out and find its way all through social media, it shakes the foundation of whatever the subject matter is in that article. And in the case of a talk show host, it's not only going to be the head of the show, the face of the show, it's also gonna be the inner workings and the network itself. So it casts a long shadow over the legacy of the face of the show, in this case, Jimmy Fallon, but also these types of exposes serve as a harsh reminder that the people who we invite into our homes via television screens or our phones, our iPads, not always as they appear on television we have witnessed this before, when Ellen DeGeneres went through it, when James Corden went through it. It starts as rumors and whisperings. It used to be confined to blind gossip columns, but now it becomes part of the conversation on social media. And then these hushed conversations become much louder. When. When other people pick up on the conversations and then create content around these conversations, the press can't help but pick it up. And then the alleged misconduct, all the anecdotes, the unflattering experiences dealing with these people, and just the exposure of bad behavior, it comes all out and everybody sees it. The risk is profound when this happens, because when a celebrity who is considered by many people to be a fun, affable daily companion and a source of joy, when they're unmasked as someone who's strikingly different behind the scenes, it creates the crumbling of a carefully constructed brand. In the case of television shows, the viewer trust erodes, reputations are shattered, and then the cloud of skepticism begins to hover not only on the person, but on the industry at large. It calls into question the authenticity of media personalities and even the people who they interview. What is happening behind the scenes. Audiences do grapple with this disconnect. When the person who they look up to, when the person who gives them joy and makes them happy, when, whether they watch them on television or buy their albums, Lizzo, when there is a gap between the on screen or on stage Persona compared to the real individual behind the person, it can create a lot of problems. It not only tarnishes that career, but it also brings in this cynicism and this disillusionment among fans, whether they're viewers or listeners. So it's going to impact the music industry, like in the case of Lizzo and the television industry, in the case of all these talk show hosts, it is a stark reminder that ethical boundaries and creating a respectful workplace environment is important to a lot of people. And it doesn't matter if you're a television network or if you're a store that sells televisions. Are there TV stores anymore? I guess we could call that Best Buy. But when you don't have that type of a workplace and it's toxic, those types of stories tend to leak out. So in addition to the trust being lost and the affection from the audience, you are also creating a trust problem. And when you've lost the trust, you've lost everything. Now let's do a little analysis on the response. First, let's look at NBC's statement on Jimmy Fallon. It was a statement that You've seen a million times before. It is a cut and paste, mad libs type of a statement. There's just blanks there that you fill in. When I read it. I don't even think you need to be trained in this. You just need to pay attention and you can see that this statement, I'll call it a pablum statement, it's just nothing. There's some filling to it because they said something, but it's pablum quote. We are incredibly proud of the Tonight show and providing a respectful working environment is a top priority. NBC statement read. As in any workplace, we have had employee raise issues. Those have been investigated and action has been taken. Where appropriate, as is always the case, we encourage employees who feel they have experienced or observed behavior inconsistent with our policies to report their concerns so that we may address them accordingly. I mean, are you listening to that? Are you listening? I don't know how many times I've written the word priority. Top priority. I talked about safety being a top priority. When I was working at the cruise lines at the head of communications, safety was a priority at fema for a lot of my clients, safety is always a top priority. So this one is no different. But this NBC statement is just generic. It's lacking any depth, it's lacking any engagement. You know about the concerns that were brought to light. There were a lot of serious issues in this article. The reporter interviewed 80 people, 80 current and former employees at the Tonight Show. So that number is significant. But however, as they expanded in that statement, sources at NBC emphasized that the majority of employees at the Tonight show are content with their day to day roles. And that the Rolling Stone article, which interviewed two current and 14 former employees and represents the perspectives of less than 1% of late night programs, nearly 300 current staffers, so they got that number wrong. But whenever there is a statement that is breaking down a number like that, that is an exercise in framing and framing away likely from truth. NBC knows that there's a problem there, there's a toxicity problem there. But whenever we see those numbers now you can get those qualifying types of ratios for good. For instance, if you work in emergency management or if you are helping, if you're in any type of situation where you are helping people or you are part of a big news story, that's an emergency like a disaster. So if you are explaining, for instance, we're looking for this lost boat and the search area is the size of Connecticut or in a lot of the stories about the Titanic, remember the Titanic sub? Oh My gosh, that seems like a lifetime ago. Oh my goodness. But that was June, because I remember where I was when that happened. They would show the size of it, you know, so when you talk about it to help paint a picture for a person to understand the story better, it's the same device, but when you see it in a statement, that is a response statement to a crisis, it is the device that it's used to diminish or minimize the charges, which is exactly what this NBC statement is doing. Because what that argument brushes over the fact that any instance of toxicity, regardless of how many people report it, warrants serious attention and it can't be shrugged off, even if it was one person. Imagine a story where one person came out, put their name behind it and talked about that environment, how awful it was. That story would be just as powerful and just as damaging if you had 80 anonymous people behind it. So that type of argument fails to capture the essence of a positive and nurturing work environment. It's just one that goes beyond the satisfaction. We're talking about empathy here and that we're inclusive and we're growing, but in the most bare bones, basic way, the statement doesn't cut it at all. But I think there's a reason behind that. More on that later. So let's look at the Jimmy Fallon apology. Now. The day after this story in Rolling Stone was published, it was reported that Jimmy Fallon got on a zoom call with his staff. As the man at the helm of the show, he found himself at the center of these allegations. And so he felt that he needed to apologized to his staff. We don't know if it was his idea, someone at the network, but he needed to go to the source of the pain, which was employees. He didn't get all of them because some of them, you know, many of them were former employees. So while an apology has reportedly been issued to the staff, what it doesn't address, and at least in reports, what we didn't understand being addressed was that Fallon's inconsistent behavior towards the subordinates there, those behaviors were marked by hostility and passive aggressive remarks. And we heard about a good Jimmy and a bad Jimmy. And I had a lot of people in my DMs tell me that those accusations that became public in the Rolling Stone article and also made their way around social media, a lot of them are true. People had kids who worked on the show and they said, oh, I can confirm 100%, Jimmy Fallon does not let this staff look him in the eye. They do not deal with him or he just blows his lid over, you know, minor things. So that apology, in the context that we all heard it was like a band aid, you know, it's. It's a deep cutting wound that happened to that show. And Jimmy addressed it immediately with the staff. But typically that wouldn't work. But perhaps in this environment, it might just work. But because now in crisis communication, the depth of the apology is important, the sincerity and the accompanying actions that go with it to correct course. So all of those things are vital. And Fallon's apology was important for the timing. He reached out to where the pain point was, but it seems to lack any commitment to the transformative actions that are needed to guarantee a safe, respectful, nurturing work environment. This was not an apology. It appears that followed the framework. You know, own it, explain it, promise it. He owned up to part of it, which is what happens in a lot of these apologies. I'm just going to own up to the easy thing because I don't even want to address all the other things. And then you explain why that happened and then you make a promise to change. From what we're hearing, there wasn't anything that gave any employee the indication that things were going to change. So what is his leadership role? I mean, he's the face of the program, but who's driving it? Is it the showrunner? Is it NBC? Is it Lorne Michaels? It appears that there's just a lot of passive aggressive behavior behind the scenes at the Tonight show, and Fallon's role and responsibilities are certainly a part of it. And since he's the face of the show, he is going to get a lot of the backlash and he's going to get the spotlight and what it reveals about the work culture behind the scenes. Now, just as an aside, if you follow me on social media, you know that last week I was in New York City, day of recording. I was actually there yesterday, but I was there to do an interview with the network. I'm going to talk about this more later. I can't reveal it right now, but I spent a few hours at a network discussing this topic. Not Jimmy Fallon, but this type of topic. And while I was getting ready to go to that interview, I received a text from Access Hollywood from a producer out in Los Angeles, quite astute. She was producing. This producer was producing because she put two and two together, that I was in New York City and she asked if I could go to 30 Rock to do an interview for Access Hollywood to talk about Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis. I was Running so hard that day. Because that previous weekend, I was in New Jersey at my daughter's soccer tournament. She's in college, and they have that soccer tournament every year. And it was pouring rain. Anyone who lives mid to New England, mid Atlantic to New England, and I think upstate New York as well, and central New York dealt with so much bad weather over the weekend. It was just pouring, pouring rain. So I was tired, I was exhausted. And, you know, when you go to kid stuff, you got to go with parents and there's wine and, you know, all this stuff. I was slugging it on Monday. But when Access Hollywood called, of course I'm going to go. Anyone who knows me personally or even if you have a parasocial relationship with me, you know, I'm going to go. But what that also meant is that I was going to NBC and I was knowing that I was already working on this podcast. It was fascinating to me. And Access Hollywood, even though it's Hollywood, it's an NBC production. So they have a workplace in part of their offices are, you know, at 30 Rock. And so when I went up there for the interview, when I was walking down the hall, I was being led down there by a producer. And to get to Access Hollywood, you have to go through the Tonight Show. You have to go through all the dressing room, you know, the offices, you know, Jimmy Fallon, Questlove, you know, everyone from the Tonight Show. And it was crazy to walk through it. So I did take some very, very quick photos while I was there, because it was truly, not only was it just a crazy moment for me, Molly doing this, knowing what young Molly wanted to do in her lifetime, and here she was at ABC and NBC at the. In the same afternoon was crazy to me. And that I was not working in television, though I did way back in the day at a local affiliate. But that I was there being interviewed for national television is still crazy to me. And it shows the craziness of social media. But of course, I asked the producer who was, who was bringing me down. I said, oh, so here's Fallon. Here's Fallon, right? I just wanted to get him talking about something. And on the other side of all the Tonight show offices, when you go down the hallway, so it's this back, very kind of narrow hallway, and there's the studio. So they have all those studios up there, and then they have all the offices. So that's where, you know, they go out and they do the work in the green room and all this across from. So the Tonight show was all dead because they're on strike. Nobody is there, so the offices are dead. It's only news, really, that's operating still. But across the hall was a new talk show. And I asked the people in my live tonight, this is going to be the midpoint ad break for me to tell you that I want you to join PR Confidential. The night of this recording, I had my first live where we were talking about, you know, trending news stories. I had my, technically, my first live in August when it was about. We discussed how to get a job in public relations and marketing. And we have a webinar there. So if you're still interested, just head on over to PR Confidential. The webinar's there, it's open to everyone. And then for the members, the members of the PR Insider group, they have access to the guides that are there as well. But that was my first live. But this tonight was my first. Let's talk about trending news stories. Let's talk about popular culture. And we talked about Jimmy Fallon, we talked about Drew Barrymore, we talked about Oprah. I mean, Ashton and Mila. It was a great conversation. I had so much fun. I started on TikTok live so I could just move people over because I did send out an email today to my list telling them to come on, but I knew I needed to flood it with people, so I did too. Tock Live first. And because I just talked about Ashton and Oprah and Joe Jonas. I have like four TikToks in a row or two or four, I don't know, three or four that have a million views, over a million views. I have to fact check this, actually, to show the complete craziness of social media. Oh, I was wrong. I was wrong. When I was in my hotel in New York City, I recorded a quick one on Ashton and Mila. It's now 48 hours old, has 2.3 million views. The one before that, the Ashton and Mila apology video where I was at my daughter's game and I just had no time. 1.4 million views. A 60 second post where I talked about, oh, my gosh, you know, September, we have these breaking news stories. 2.6 million views. It's the first time I talked about Jimmy Fallon and before that I was talking about Joe Jonas. 2.9 million views. I mean, this is insanity. So in 1, 2, like 5 days, 2, 4, 6, 8. I mean, like 9 million. That's crazy. That's crazy. Here's why I mention all those numbers. It's not to say, ooh, look at me. Look at me and how important I am on social media. Not at all. I look at those numbers and think, what? Why? I can't even imagine 1.4 people listening to me, much less 1.4 million people listening to me. But it shows the power of social media. It shows the power of viral. It shows the power of the algorithm. And so when someone hits a crisis, when they're in the swirl of a media storm, it can become so much greater and so much bigger because of social media. And you mix in like someone who we know, you know, a fan favorite, someone who might be duplicitous, someone who may not be who they appear to be. And you, you have a story that is ripe for going viral. But what's interesting about the Jimmy Fallon story, and this is what I had mentioned in my live, I dropped it to them. I showed them some pictures when I was in the hallway, when I was taking the photos, said across the hall. I asked the people in my live, who do you think's moving in across the hall from Jimmy Fallon? Because when I was there, I asked, I said, oh, what's going on here? Because there was all this hustle and bustle and hustle and bustle. New talk show hint, someone else who went through a toxic work culture problem. They had their own PR crisis. It was a news story. But the difference, the reason why it wasn't as big of a news story. One, it was daytime. But also they nabbed it right away. They issued a statement immediately. Instagram carousel. And also brand wise, this person seems to be just a genuinely good person. And that's Kelly Clarkson. I thought, how interesting. Both of these shows are across the hall from each other. And I'm telling you, across the hall, we're talking. It was so narrow, it almost felt like I could reach my arms out. That's how narrow it was. And that they're both literally in the same space. It's just crazy. And they both went through the same issue. So let's look at a comparative analysis now. You know, what are the industry standards? And in looking at the responses. So I mentioned Kelly Clarkson and what she did. So 11 anonymous employees accused the Kelly Clarkson show, also NBC, of fostering a toxic work environment. It was 10 current employees and one former. So that ratio makes it tough because it's 10 current, that they're overworked and underpaid while at the same time subjected to a work environment that was traumatizing to their mental health. Sound familiar? So the report described employees as lower level Staffers who said they needed to take on additional jobs such as babysitting dog walkers and Uber eats drivers, just to get by financially. Now, that story, when it came out, if you remember, it was a bit of a hit. Like, I do remember, because it was Kelly Clarkson. I thought, oh, Kelly, I love you. I don't want anything bad to happen to you. So I was watching it. And when you splice that story, it's really a story about how staffers are being treated. But again, you know, Kelly's the host of that show. Her name is on the show, but a production company is what really runs that show, you know, and a showrunner. We don't know the true behind the scenes on it, but when you look at the statement by Kelly Clarkson and how quickly the story went away, you know that she really was almost bifurcated in a way, because she doesn't treat the staff like that. Like there weren't any stories at all about Kelly Clarkson being the problem. It's how the show is run, and Kelly Clarkson doesn't decide how much lower level staffers are paid. I mean, that's straight out of production. So it wasn't good for NBC. And Kelly Clarkson, just as the face of it, had to speak up about it. Now, compared to the Jimmy Fallon story, it's very, very similar, but compared to it, you know, again, the numbers are a lot lower. But in this article published in Rolling Stone, the complaints were like. One former employee said, I remember going up on the roof of the stage to cry, being like, oh, my gosh, what am I doing? Why am I putting myself through this? Another former staff member specifically said, I think the executive producer, Alex Duda's a monster. I have a friend who's an executive producer who warned me about taking this job because apparently she's done this on every show she's worked on. So there's history there. So employees did say that Clarkson was fantastic and that they would be shocked if she knew what was going on. Another staffer added to that the host has no clue how unhappy her staff is. So that's why the Kelly Clarkson crisis is a little different than Jimmy Fallon, because the Rolling Stone article about Jimmy Fallon paints him in a bad light as well, that there's good days, there's good Jimmy days and bad Jimmy days, and Jimmy Fallon isn't nice to everyone and that there could be substance abuse issues there. There's a lot of buzz and a lot of rumors and blind gossip about Jimmy Fallon struggling with alcohol. I had mentioned on the Live Tonight In PR Confidential that I remember back in, I think it was 2016, when Jimmy Fallon almost lost his finger because he was wearing his ring. And it's called a ring avulsion, where it almost ripped off, like his ring got caught in something, almost ripped his entire finger off. So he was in a cast for a long, long time on the show. But the accident was kind of cloudy. You know, we weren't quite clear about what happened. So in that case, there was just a lot of speculation around it. And I just remember the news stories like, there's no doubt that this guy was drinking. Now, does that make a PR crisis if someone struggles with alcohol? And there's other rumors that he struggles with drugs, too, but those are just rumors and allegations. But a lot of that came into my direct messages, my DMs for social media. So I think universally, everybody is talking about the fact that there's a lot of stories about Jimmy Fallon. But then again, on My Live Tonight, someone was a waitress who waited on him and said, he's absolutely wonderful. Which that tracks as well, too. Right? And so I think it boils down to, you know, people are just human and everybody has their feelings, but sometime when they're celebrities, they get used to being treated a certain way. And when the Persona doesn't match professionally and on air to personal, you know, people just get uneasy with it. Now, the statement that NBC put out is very similar to the statement that was released for Kelly Clarkson. So a statement was shared back then with Hollywood Reporter, a spokesperson for NBCUniversal. So same thing as Jimmy said this quote, tell me if it sounds familiar. We are committed to a safe and respectful work environment and take workplace complaints very seriously. And to insinuate otherwise is untrue. When issues are reported, they are promptly reviewed, investigated, and acted upon as appropriate. The Kelly Clarkson show strives to build a safe, respectful and equitable workplace that nurtures a culture of inclusivity and creativity. Oh, my goodness. It's like the same statement, right? It's the same statement. That's why the attempt at NBC is not a heavy one, because NBC is putting out that pablum statement. They're denying it and same thing, they just diminished it, you know, just like with Jimmy Fallon. Now, I just want to touch briefly on Ellen DeGeneres. So back in 2020, if you remember, it all started with a tweet, and it was from a comedian. And again, I went back to my live and I said, does anyone remember his name? And some people on that live clearly worked in entertainment because they knew they came up with Kevin T. Pork. And his tweet said, right now, we all need a little kindness. You know, like Ellen DeGeneres always talks about smiley emoji heart. She's also notoriously one of the meanest people alive. Respond to this with the most insane stories you've ever heard about Ellen being mean, and I'll match everyone with $2 to the LA Food Bank. And he tagged it that post. As of the third week of September, 11,000 retweets, which are not tweets now, they're posts. So 4,600 quotes, 63,000 likes. And quotes means someone retweets with a quote on top. So here's an example. I worked at Real Food Daily. Served her and Portia at brunch. That's her wife, Portia. She wrote a letter to the owner and complained about my chip nail polish. Not that it was on her plate, but just that it was on my hand. I. I had worked till closing the night before, and this was next morning. Almost got me fired. So Ellen DeGeneres was being, you know, exposed again for not being who she is on screen compared to who she is in real life. Now. That story was BuzzFeed. And BuzzFeed spoke to one current and 10 former employees on the show, the same number ratio as Kelly Clarkson, all of whom asked to remain anonymous, fearing retribution from the talk show and others in the entertainment industry. So they said that they were being fired after taking medical leave or bereavement days to attend family funerals. And one employee who claimed she was fed up with the comments about her race essentially walked off the job. Others said they were also instructed by their direct managers not to speak to DeGeneres if they saw her around the office. By the way, same accusations about Jimmy Fallon. And that was in my dm. So many people told me directly that Jimmy Fallon did the same thing. So now that was not Rolling Stone. That was buzzfeed. But isn't it interesting in those three stories from Rolling Stone? Rolling Stone, Jimmy Fallon, Rolling Stone, Kelly Clarkson, and Ellen DeGeneres in Buzzfeed that they all center around the same type of toxic workplace? All the employees are anonymous. All the employees are essentially saying the same thing, but just different anecdotes. It's all so similar, isn't it? Do you want to know a very interesting through line about all three of those stories? They were written by the same reporter, Christy Lee Yandoli, the name I mentioned at the top of the podcast. Who wrote the Rolling Stone article about Jimmy Fallon also wrote the story about Kelly Clarkson that was in Rolling Stone magazine. And she also wrote the story for Buzzfeed about Ellen DeGeneres. It's the same reporter. How crazy is that? Well, not so when the stories are so similar. As an aside, I had to look her up. I thought, oh, my gosh, did she write about James Corden like I needed to? How far does a through line go? She was writing about those three because those were very specific. And what it feels like in those three articles when you compare them together, the similarities that she likely knew. She's based out of Hollywood. She's a Hollywood reporter. She's done a lot of work, and she did. I looked into her. She graduated, I believe, from Syracuse. She went to a school in New York, so I think it was Syracuse. That's a comm school. So it's making sense. My apologies for not knowing precisely. But I do remember that she was a woman's studies major. So a woman's studies major graduated from Syracuse. Writing this article in Hollywood absolutely makes sense. All of it fits. All the pieces fit together perfectly, because a women's studies major is going to understand injustice. They're going to understand how minorities are treated. They're going to understand power struggles. They're going to understand, you know, the history of maybe women working in environments like this. So it makes perfect sense that she would be the reporter that would write these types of stories, but for her to be the one reporter to write all of these stories. So think about all the stories that you've heard about talk show hosts and toxic environments in the past three years. They've all been written by the same person. They were all originated by the same person. Isn't that crazy? It's just crazy.

Let's get to it. As you may have heard, this summer, there were allegations of a toxic race work environment at our show. And then there was an investigation. I learned that things happened here that never should have happened. I take that very seriously. And I want to say I am so sorry to the people who were affected. I know that I'm in a position of privilege and power, and I realize that with that comes responsibility, and I take responsibility for what happens at my show. This is the Ellen DeGeneres Show. I am Ellen DeGeneres. My name is there. My name is there. My name is on underwear. We have had a lot of conversations over the last few weeks about the show, our workplace, and what we want for the future. We have made the necessary changes, and today we are starting a new chapter.

So because of that. Because she did write all of those stories. That's the reason why I think, think NBC does not place as much emphasis on the rehabilitation of getting through this crisis because they're looking at it as just one person.

As some of you may have seen, last week, there were stories about me being banned from a restaurant. And at the time I considered, you know, like tweeting about it or Instagramming about it. Like, whenever these sorts of moments come my way, I like to adopt quite a British attitude of sort of, you know, keep calm and carry on. Things are going to get written about me. Never complain, never explain is very much my motto. But as my dad pointed out to me on Saturday, he said, son, well, you did complain, so you might need to explain. Look, when you make a mistake, you got to take responsibility. So I thought I would, if it's okay, I would share with you what happened. So a couple of weeks ago, I was in New York with some friends and we went for breakfast at one of my absolute favorite restaurants. It's a place called Balthazar. And I genuinely, I love it there. I love the food, the vibe, the service. If I lived in New York, I'd go every day on the proviso that, you know, they would let me in. So we sit down, we ordered, and my wife explained that she has a serious food allergy.

So three television hosts find themselves in similar circumstances. They all grapple with the feedback and they all grapple with the negative publicity. But they all have different levels of crisis. But the reporting style is consistent. So Yandoli, I mean, anonymous sources, former employees, she's reporting on the lack of trust that's happening there. They're all about hostile work environments. They're all about this underlying culture, fear. They're all about the serious impact of employee welfare, both mentally and financially, and just these poor working conditions. It's highlighting these deep seated issues within the production environments in these shows. So it's not just the network, it's not really a network. And it's not just the host. It's the production environment. But the hosts are taking the hit. So we have to reevaluate these types of crises, which is the reason why I think Jimmy Fallon is gonna get on through. He's gonna slide right on by. And that's because Jimmy Fallon to viewers and fans is still the affable guy, right? He's well received in the public. He doesn't have that Ellen problem of being like a truly nasty person. If there was a Kevin T. Porter TW about Jimmy Fallon. And there were 63,000, you know, likes and 46,000 replies to it. There's 72. Those are just the quotes. There's like 72,000 replies to it. He would have a much bigger problem, but he doesn't have that. He does have challenges in his behavior. He may have substance issues. That's not confirmed at all. But I believe he's going to be able to get through that because he does have a better brand. Now let's just talk about moving forward. It is five days after that expose, you know, came out. Wait, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. And what's interesting that some people noted, you know, on the Live and also on TikTok, that the Strike Force 5 podcast, so that's Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, John Oliver and Seth Meyers, you know, got together and they have this podcast now, a new one was uploaded on Tuesday. Wait, you mean I compete with Strike Force Five? And they did not address the accusations against Jimmy in the Tonight Show And a lot of people were talking about that on Twitter. But the reason why it was because it was prerecorded. So we'll have to listen for next week. Oh, next week. So Strike Force 5 is going to come out the same day as this podcast. So I won't be able to talk about it here. But you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to wait to do my TikTok and then I'm going to wait to see. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to upload this podcast and then I'm going to go to Strike Force 5 and see what Jimmy has to say. So there may be an addendum to this. Okay, so what's the solution moving forward? What can they do? You know, where do we go from here? So in light of the current situation, you can't overlook the importance of NBC and Fallon taking the steps that go beyond the statements and apologies for any other industry, any other sector, you would need to do that. Because when there's a deep rooted problem that requires some type of a solution from investigations and taking everything seriously, I mean, those are serious allegations. It would be wonderful if Fallon really addressed all of it publicly and if the Tonight show or the production and NBC really showed a commitment to not just a one off effort, but sustained effort to building a culture that supports and nurtures talent. And instead of stifling it with intimidation and fear, let's see how that's being done. We never saw that with Ellen, but Kelly Clarkson did Explain that. Also, it's incumbent upon NBC and Fallon to embrace this moment not just as a crisis, but as an. An opportunity to bring back that respectful culture. Like, can you show us that things have changed? Because people are going to watch Jimmy Fallon every night. They're gonna see him laughing and being Jimmy Fallon, but they'll wonder, hmm, what's going on behind the scenes? Now, for anyone else, this is going to be the portion. Let's just call it the learning curve. How does this relate to you? So we're talking about viewers here, we're talking about industry insiders, but what about your sector, where you work? I mean, do you work in a place with a toxic work environment? Do you run a place with a toxic work environment? What would you do if someone came out and said something about where you work? You don't want to take a page out of the NBC playbook and come out with, you know, just a simple band aid of a Pablum statement. And you don't want to do a Fallon and only, you know, speak to the staff. You really want to make public changes because if this is public information and everybody knows it's a public crisis, you want the response to be public as well. So don't fear the expose, because it's already coming out anyway. Now, maybe Rolling Stone isn't going to do something about you, but people are talking about about you. And it's going to affect hiring, it's going to affect sales. It just is. So if you can be more open about understanding and accepting that there are problems in the workplace and making those changes, that is a terrific way to be able to get through any type of crisis. So I'm curious what you think, what should NBC do about Jimmy Fallon? What does Jimmy Fallon do? Did the responses cut it or not? So I want to hear from you. So jump over to PR Confidential. The link is in the show notes. So this is my online space now. It is a place for subject matter experts. That's what's a little bit different than Patreon. It's a platform for people to go if they have questions and lives and just an environment of inclusivity. And I want to foster environment where everyone is welcome and I want to take everyone's questions. So head over there, ask me questions, what do you think? Give comments. I would love to know. And of course, you can reply to social media as well. However, in PR Confidential, especially in the lives, it can be a space for more candid dialogue when we start chatting about these things. All right, in every episode, I leave you with an indestructible PR tip. It's that one practical takeaway to help you build an indestructible reputation. And here it is. If one person has an experience in some environment that you have created, one person is enough. And whether that's the workplace, maybe it's school, maybe it's a classroom, maybe it's some type of group, anything. If it's public facing, if it comes comes out and it's public, the social media environment has a way of taking their words and their need for justice and it is going to be fast. What the downfall, Jimmy Fallon's Protected by NBC and perhaps Lorne Michaels. But if it happens to you, who's going to be your savior? So the response be swift, be quick, respond, respond appropriately and make sure that people know that you're going to change and that that environment is going to be a positive one. That's all for this week on the podcast. Be sure to chime in with your takes across my social media accounts and of course, NPR confidential. Bye for.