Guy Kawasaki & his youngest son Nate Kawasaki - Off the Lip Radio Show

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Yeah. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another off the Lip radio Show show number 815.

I didn't know you could count that.

I mean, you know what? You know what's making me smarter? Reading your book. There you go. Huh? If you read Guy Kawasaki's book with one of them, you become a smarter person.

Did you say smart or smug?

Smarter.

Smarter.

Yes. I'm here today with his son. Nate is in the house. We invited him to be on the podcast because we want to talk to Nate about growing up in Pleasure Point. That's coming up very shortly, but right now we're sponsored by tonight, Liquid Death.

And Chris Burnish.

And Chris Burnish's book.

And Kenny Arimoto.

Oh, Kenny Arimoto. And the one and only the king, Bob Pearson. Bob Pearson. Okay, let's celebrate and say cheers to all.

Yes.

Cheers to Bob.

Cheers to Kenny.

Cheers to Kenny.

Cheers to Chris.

Cheers, Burnish. And who else? Who do we forget? That's it.

Yeah.

And Wyatt. Thanks, Wyatt, for. Did you just kick Wyatt's ass at chest?

Yeah, I did.

How? You took him down?

Yeah, I did. It took a minute, but, yeah, I did.

You had it won, then you were backpedaling.

Yeah, yeah. It was kind of stressing, but we pulled it together.

I have a question. This. This stuff here, this Liquid Death, did they sit in a room to think up this name for this? They think that would be a good selling name for water.

Well, I don't know. It's doing quite well. The beauty of this is when most people see you drinking this, they think you're drinking beer.

I know, right? They think you're drinking like a strong, like ale.

So I like to drink this as I'm writing down 38th with my board. So people thinking, ah, that cook is drinking beer before he's going out. No wonder he drops in on everybody.

You admit that, do you?

You.

You have to admit. Okay, let me ask you a question. We're going to talk surfing right now. We're not talking apple. Not bullshit. Top three people you like. Top three people that you love to drop in on.

Neil, Neil and Neil.

No hesitation in that. There was no hesitation in that.

Straight up. You can say Paracarin or No, Neil, Neil and Neil.

Madison.

You don't drop in on Madison. Really?

Well. Madison is chicken and she sits on the inside. Yes. So by the time I get to her, I fall.

Yeah, because you're exhausted. Surfing. Question number two. How close do you think that you've actually gotten to the nose on a board? Because we know that your mission in life is to get to 10 toes. If you get to 10 toes right over the end of the surfboard, how big will the party be?

It'd be like, we'll do it at 49er Stadium. I have gotten to the nose many times.

When.

Let me finish.

Okay.

I have gotten to the nose many times. I just never stopped.

He just go off the end.

Well, so I need a. I need to have a photographer who stops.

Yeah.

And then I can see just before I fly off.

You know that picture you sent me, a new paddle boarding has now gone viral. That was a mistake on your part. That was a mistake on your part. That was ammunition.

I brought that over on my Tesla. No, I don't have a Tesla.

When did you teach him to surf? Or did you teach him to surf?

Okay.

What's the story behind you surfing?

His surfing ability has absolutely no relation to mine.

No, I can second it.

None.

Yeah, no, I hated the water. Did you really hated water until I was maybe 12 or 13.

Right.

And just stepping in the water and trying to get chest. Chest deep. Other than that, I did not like surfing. You didn't like it even in Hawaii? Like, we had uncles in Hawaii that are teaching us how to surf.

Yeah.

I just start crying. Oh, Brad, go to the beach, then.

Don't. Don't come out here if you want.

To learn how to surf. And it's like, oh, that's not gonna help either. Right.

Right.

Yeah. Took me a minute.

So what changed? How. How does that change?

I kind of. When they would go to Cowles, my dad and my sister, I'd force myself to go a knee, like, an inch or two deeper. Every time we go with a board.

Or without a board.

Without a board. Until I was on my tippy toes. Then I'd bring out the board.

Okay.

What would you. Over here. Dad wants to get it. Dad wants to chip in here.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, once, me, Noemi, and Nate went to college, so me and Nui, we're having a great time. Yeah.

And what happened? Camera check. Yeah. Okay.

And Nate is by himself on the sand.

Yeah.

And what happened? You were.

And then some. Somebody stole his towel.

Yeah, Some tweaker just kind of came along and just was, like, picking on me and took my towel, and I didn't know if he was gonna, like, do anything more, so.

Keep it into the ice cream.

I sprinted so fast.

How old were you?

What, like 12?

I don't know.

A young age.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But with that presence, it wasn't Fun. So I just. Yeah, yeah, that didn't help either.

No, that didn't help you surfing.

No, it didn't. And then we had a friend that we met here that was taking out my sister. And even that was still scary. He introduced us to Frosty. Frosty kind of gave me some tips. And then just one day after going to 38th, getting comfortable with like the crowd at 38th and going with my dad and my sister having a blast.

What's a Frosty tip? Give me one Frosty Tip.

Frosty tip. Always smile and always have fun.

Is that what you're saying?

If you're not smiling and you're not having fun, something might be wrong.

Someone we know could take the. Those words are too hard. Angry John, not mentioning any names.

It took Frosty 45 minutes to give him that one tip.

Yeah, well.

Yeah, and then it clicks.

Yeah, well, because, you know, you have to listen to, well, frosty for 45 minutes before you get that tip. Exactly. So when you pump into Frosty, it's a day long half day excursion. Yeah.

I tell all my friends to stop and say hello to Frosty so I can get more weights.

The tactics.

You have to park on 34th or 38th. Oh, I just screwed. Do that for a week.

Well, thank God for Frosty because he has a crime that's uglier than mine.

That thing is butt ugly. That is an obvious crime. The paint, it's pink.

It is pink.

I think.

I think Bob Pearson pays Frosty to serve that crime.

Yeah, probably. So from then on, how did your surfing progress? Did you all sudden at that moment, did you get that surf session, that first one? Did you go, oh, my God, this is fantastic?

Yeah. Basically there'd be nights where I just watched surfing videos. I think it was like Andy Irons and like Bruce Irons was like the first, like, guys I was watching on YouTube. And then I jumped straight to like watching Maverick's videos. And I was like learning about that. Never wanted to get into that. And then getting motivated because of that. I went out to Pleasure Point for my first time.

Right by yourself.

Ran into Chongo.

Was he yelling at you?

It wasn't a chow Boy.

It was, oh, boy.

And I was just like back to 38, you know, slowly getting farther and farther and farther up there, putting in my time and my work of getting to know the crowd.

And how old are you now?

I'm 18.

So you grew up. You started so when you were like 12. Yeah. What was it like? What's it like being growing up in Santa Cruz in Pleasure. What's it. What's it like growing up in Pleasure Point as a kid? Can you give us a.

Now just remember, mom might watch this.

Yeah, I can show the answer, but now. Okay, mom, if you're watching, don't listen to this right now. Yeah. Don't talk about if. I'm gonna be honest with you.

I think I had it a lot easier than a lot of other kids. Why? Because of the support. Right, right, the support. People chirping in my ears, pulling me out of something that could have been worse.

Did you see kids that didn't have a support end up in trouble?

I did, and they're currently doing good. And we are all still in contact. They have jobs, you know.

Would that be on the water and off the water? Yeah, it was difficult. Difficult off the water as well.

Yeah. I think once I'm in the water, it's just like a whole nother, like, thing, you know? And then getting into skating, that helped a lot of, like, of where I want to be, I guess, in life. But just the kids around that kind of was just, like, fascinating. And I met their friends, which kind of, like, didn't help with growing up, and made bad decisions with that. And then just the.

But if you learn how. You learn how to make. If you learn that you make bad decisions, you now know which decisions you can make that are. Right.

Exactly. It's like why we read all these history books.

Right.

To not repeat history.

Right.

I did the things that I don't want to take back, but I now have that in my brain for information of I don't want to be around that area.

Right, right. And perhaps you can help other kids.

Exactly. That would be super rad.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, I know Emmanuel Guzman does that. Summer camp.

Yeah, he did that. He came on my show the other day. I was real proud of him.

Dude, that guy's derby all day.

Right, right, right. He's a good kid, but he's not a kid any longer.

Well, he's like a 40s. Yeah, yeah. I don't call him the kid. You call him.

Yeah, I call him.

You're ancient.

Yeah, I know I'm ancient. So what. So what changed? What was the time that you were maybe heading the wrong direction, that you changed. You changed it and went, I'm just gonna say, in the correct direction.

Maybe 15 and 16.

Yeah.

Freshman and sophomore year, not attending classes. Not heavy drugs, but just smoking and drinking.

Right.

You know?

Yeah, mom, there are a lot of.

People, you know, there are a Lot of people that you that maybe may not know that came up to me and they were keeping an eye on you. You know, there were a lot of people, Marcel, there was a lot of people who were like, hey, you need to check and you talk to guy. Nate's going up. So there's a lot of people, a lot of people out there who actually cared about you and your well being.

And it's like, obviously. Well, no one knows that. I think about that every single day of these people enter my life. But for the people that don't have that support, yeah. It's like what can we do to make them think that there is.

What do you think we could do?

If that's camps like these camps, skate camps, surf camps. As much as people don't like to surf, like you know, the surf camps. But them getting introduced to the ocean in a most like respectful and beautiful, really nature way.

Right.

You know, teaching them about what the reefs do.

Right.

If that's skating in them. Teaching like where history came. Like the history of skateboarding.

Yeah.

The history of surfing, the history of arts. All different medias from film to painting to drawing to that, acting, those are all arts. And I think if one kid or a couple kids click and think of that little dream that they can be something in this media or this, this skating or this surfing genre, then that's just the start of many, many, many different paths to them.

Yeah. Did go into Kirby, which is a school I was affiliated with coaching. Did that help you admit that school help you and in many ways or did you go ahead? Well, I think you're laughing over there.

Because I hate Kirby. I did not tell anyone where I went. Right. That's sophomore freshman year because Kirby is a private school, you know, and all my friends go to that public school. I've always wanted to go to that public school. And honestly it probably helped me stay out of different friend groups in a public school because who knows where I would be. Right.

Right.

I'm in a private school with these kids that are really smart, you know. And honestly I felt, I didn't feel like I was accepted, you know, I.

Was like at that school.

Yeah, I didn't. Although they're really accepting and they helped me a lot with homework and stuff. Like the support around homework and supporting with anything that you are struggling with in any class is there. But for me as a kid trying to make friends, it felt like it wasn't there. So yeah, I'd skip school on that and be like, I'm over this Dude, Right, right.

I saw the video of you that you did that artwork and it was you presented. Was presented to you or you won an award or what?

Oh, yeah, right. So I did a commission. I believe that's what it's called for my school. And it was if we can get more people that have the interest kind of like me or even more into that school. And my teacher was like Jasper Billings and my chemistry teacher, Dr. L. We all talked and a lot of other teachers, but they asked me what could we do? Like, do you have any ideas? And I was like, I mean, there's a lot of underground graffiti art in Santa Cruz that a lot of people don't know of. So what if we had more of that, more raw Santa Cruz in this private school, you know? So I did.

It must have been a big step for them. It was.

I could tell from them. The eyes all opened up like you were wilding. Like, why am I bringing this ghetto into my private school?

Right.

But I'm being honest. Hip hop came from that too. Punk came from that too.

Yeah.

And I did a piece that said empathy and kind of like blue, orange, red, green colors.

Is it hanging at school? It is, yeah.

And it's on the website now too, which is cool. But I did a whole speech for them and how the same thing, like how I didn't feel accepted.

Right, right.

I kind of just. It comes click.

So art now is the art direction you're taking?

I believe so.

Alright.

Yeah, that so fun dreaming, right? And you get to write these little dreams down and see what you really want to go into. Because I want to do art. I want to surf, I want to skate, I want to film. And like, I know you can do all of it, but, you know, it's just. It's just super, like big up here, you know?

And I want to start your own podcast someday.

You could paddle board.

Don't listen to him. The last photograph I saw of him surfing was on a paddle board. Really? Yeah. With a big smile on his face.

Ten years ago.

Well, I'm proud of you, what you did. I'm proud of you. From what, where you were and how you brought it back around and where you've ended up. And that video I watched of you, because I know that school. I coached there for five years. That's. That's a big deal. Yeah, that was a huge deal. It's not like every kid was up there or something. You did something very special. I'm very proud of you.

Thank you.

Especially at the school. I Mean graffiti a Kirby. Yeah, that doesn't. That's like oil and water. It doesn't matter.

Also, they put in a ramp.

Oh, yeah. I started a skate club there too.

They did. They put up a ramp.

That was because of Jasper. He was. We'd have conversations up on our roof deck. I'm like. He was like. He was really like, they're listening again. Another person that was listening and I didn't shut out of my life.

Right.

Same with my sister's boyfriend, Dietro. He was one of the people that I really, like, absorbed and, like, you know, heard. But he was like, dude, you like skating. Bring that to Kirby too.

Right, right.

And I was tripping. I was like, that's possible. He's like, why not? So we had a skate club running there too. And it was every lunch, new kids were learning how to skate. Every day, just randos would just come up and I'd be like, oh, I've never met you. What's your name?

Right.

You want to learn how to drop in? No, I'm too scared. Alright, let's just get you on the board then.

Yeah, that's cool. Congratulations. That's awesome.

Thank you.

Your turn.

How can I follow that?

I can't follow that. You must just pack up sharp.

Can I just go eat?

Why? Why? Why is Olive Garden one of your favorite restaurants? Oh, I can't tell. Okay, I want to know why Olive Garden? This challenge has got 500 locally owned restaurants. That's right, locally owned. And you are going to Olive Garden for the salad bar and the cheese sticks.

Okay.

Okay.

There's always parking.

There's always parking. I get that. I get that. Yeah.

There's good wi Fi.

Good wi fi.

You never have to wait to sit down.

Okay.

You have unlimited Arnold Palmer's unlimited salad. They make a special dish for me that's spaghetti, meatballs and broccoli. I try to cool it on the breadsticks.

How many breadsticks do you think? Time you get there and time you leave. What's your best day? What's your best day?

I cut it down to half.

Half of what?

Half of one.

You eat half a breadstick.

Carbos is my kryptonite.

Yeah, me too.

So I can tell. So. And I went. When I go to Olive Garden, I. I work there two to three hours as a waiter. They know what.

I work there two or three hours. What are you, a waiter?

No, no, I tip big.

Oh, you tip big.

So if you know, I. I love to work in a coffee shop kind of setting yeah, so I work at Cat and Cloud over here. Cat and Cloud on Aptos.

Oh, you've made the rounds in the coffee shop grounds.

Yeah.

Verve.

Yeah.

Starbucks sometimes, but that I try to keep local. And then now that I got the passwords for the WI Fi at Betty's. Yeah, that's a whole new ball game, baby.

You got the Betty pause board. That's pretty big. You got the Betty pause for. That's pretty big. That's big. You have Grande. So how many. Has anybody in all the coffee shops that you visit that have coffee and avocado toast in the morning, how many people. How many autographs have you signed? Does anybody know who you are?

Well, I think I'm Jackie Chan.

What's the other Kawasaki? The other guy who wrote Rich Man, Poor Man?

People come up to me. Are you Nate's father? Did you teach him how to hang? Tennis? Took me years to get that. You know, like, a few people recognize me, but. Well, I'm. About a year ago, I lost almost all my hearing, and I don't hide that fact at all. And so people know that I'm kind of deaf. And then now some people don't talk to me because they know I cannot hear, which is a good thing.

So that's why when you. There's a silver lining. So you can't hear anything. You can't hear anything in the ocean.

Yeah, that's why he drops in on you.

I know.

He's all like this.

He's like this.

There's some advantages to being deaf.

Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it's when your wife yells at you, you can't hear her.

But you know what? Like, if it's really noisy, if I take off my implant, shut my hearing.

Aid, Dr. Hester would like that.

I could be in the middle of Captain Cloud 10am on a Saturday morning. I could be in total peace.

That definitely has some merit. There's a silver lining to that. Oh, by the way, we're sponsored by Santa Cruz Soul Surfer tonight. Oh, thank you.

What is this?

It's just a T shirt logo. That's all it is.

They don't make boards?

No, they don't make nothing. It's just T shirts. I like the logo. Yeah, it's pretty cool. So your surfing careers. Your surfing career began when? In Hawaii. Because you don't come across as. You don't look like you come across as being.

I think I started surfing in Hawaii on some vacation, starting on a paddleboard. And so I was paddleboarding for Quite a while.

Oh, with Kainoa?

Can you say that louder?

I was paddle boarding quite a while. Okay.

But guess who is.

He was paddleboarding with Kainoa McGee.

Who's Kano Maga.

Big uncle over there.

Oh, okay.

Yeah. Respect.

And then other than that, Kainoa McGee is like the rufo of Hawaii. So I came back here and I was paddleboarding. Jeff Clark made me a paddleboard, all that. And then Calder started humiliating me that I was a paddle boarder, not a surfer. So Calder wouldn't let me really have any peace when I was on a paddle board. So I had to convert to surfing. I mean, prone surfing.

Came a long way.

Do you miss it? Do you miss paddleboarding?

Well, when I get to your age, I'm gonna take it up again because by that point, I cannot pop up.

Do you think. Have you actually had more fun paddleboarding than surfing?

No.

Something wrong with you, dude.

But you know paddleboarding anyway. Paddleboarding, you're always standing, you're always balancing, right?

Yeah.

We're surfing between sets.

You could just sit there being lazy. I've been a full body workout, and you're getting just fat.

I see you practicing your golf swing out there.

I did, too.

That's true.

Huh? Or you poke me. I poke you in my plane. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, you understand. You brought these people here. They follow you. Oh, yeah, it is. They brought the whole Asian surf club to 38th Avenue.

It's only three people. You just cannot tell us apart.

Huh? But you love it, huh? You love it. I mean, I don't think I've never met anybody more stoked than you are. I see you drive down there with your liquid death going, I know you're not drunk. Where the hell is he going? There's no. You can't see anything, and there's no waste, but you still go.

That's because Frosty, Frosty, Frosty ism number one is you go. Even if it's shitty. That way you'll appreciate when it's good.

How's your podcast doing? Which is by what? Let's blow that up a little bit. It's great. The Remarkable People. Is it just Remarkable People.

You mean the website?

Yeah, the name of it.

Remarkable People Dot Com. Yeah. That's my. That's my passion. That's my. I think it's the best work I've ever done in my career.

More so than anything, because it's fun too, right?

And you know what? I think, you know, it's. It's delaying dementia for me. Because 52 times a year I have to learn a new subject. So, you know, one week it's women's rights. The next week is how to heart surgery. The next week it's spinal cord injury. The next week it's traumatology. Next week it's Chris Burdish surfing. I mean, paddling across the Atlantic. So 52 times a year I got to be able to conduct a one hour intelligent expert.

So you should do it like I do, where I could get one hour at one hour guests. And we have no idea what they're talking about.

Kind of lobster shells or something.

Yeah, yeah. They're gonna change. They're gonna change the world. That company, because they make everything. You can take that packaging and you can plant it.

And what do you get when you.

Get nice green trees? No, like the. Like the British book. You plant that book, you go, remember that? We showed us that book. That one that was in that. The one that was in that.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The limited edition.

Yeah. 5000$1. So who's your next guest?

My next guest is a Harvard psychologist, and she had a very famous study that. It's about the power of the word because. And the study was that there would be people in line at a photocopy machine, and her subjects would go up and say, can I cut the line? And they would say, can I cut the line because I'm in a rush. Can I cut the line because I need to make a copy? Which is, duh, that's why you're here.

Right?

Or can I cut the line? And what she figured out is when you say the word, because it triggers real, like, kind of agreement. So Nate could say to me, dad, I need money because I want to buy a new surfboard El Camino. I cannot.

There you go. Surfboard El Camino, bro. Yeah.

And then when people hear. When hear the word because they have a much harder time resisting. Right, Right. So, like, you know, I cannot come to work because it's low tide.

That would work, right?

So I cannot clean my room because it's low tide. I'm lazy.

I'll remember that.

How much of your life has changed with the tide? Is your whole schedule changed because of the tide?

I swear to God.

Why?

Absolutely yes. No. Because I schedule my meetings, my conferences, everything. My interviews.

High tide.

By the high tide.

You know what?

When I was in school and I couldn't drive. Nate, I'm gonna pick you up a little later. Because of low tide, I want to.

Step a little more.

I sit in There.

Did you make a kid wait while we were catching waves?

It was a good day. So you know Madison.

Yeah.

So she's she, she's like virtual assistant producer.

Right.

And then when we say, okay, you know, now we're going to interview Tony Hawk. We schedule Tony Hawk at High Tide San Francisco. Yeah, it's because we use the word because. Tony. We're scheduling at 1pm because it's the worst time to surf.

So we always ask our seasoned guests. Seasoned which gray haired guys like you and I certain questions. What is your most memorable day? Surfing?

It was the day that you cut my legs out and gave me two shin splints.

Okay.

We have some of the best videos.

We do.

There's so many.

We should have a library. It should be in the museum.

We should start an Instagram account.

I know, I know. Neil. Neil Guy's Frolics Follies. What was your best day? Surfing. So your best day? Surfing.

Every day is my best day. Surfing.

What was your best day at Apple?

My best day of Apple.

The only time bringing the Apple was.

Probably watching Steve Jobs introduce Macintosh. Yeah, that was a magic moment.

What date was that?

January 24, 1984.

January 24, 1984. January 24th, 1984. So, right, so the next day you want to go market that thing, right? Yeah.

What a day. What a day. Like double overhead barrel.

Yeah. Would you.

Yeah.

Would you go surf the surf ranch?

Not for two grand.

No, I don't.

I mean.

Let me ask you, what do you, what do you, what do you really want to accomplish? Surfing?

You want to hang ten?

You want to hang ten?

Maybe the day I hang ten, I quit surfing.

No, no. How many, how many boards do you think you purchased over the years?

Purchase or got.

Let's just put, let's put them all together. Got a lot free, by the way. No one, it's just, I don't get. No one gets more free shit than you do.

It's true.

You know that. Yeah, no one gets more free shit than you.

It's true.

Okay, so how many boards do you think? And they put them all in a lump in a pile.

Is it my boards or family boards?

Yours?

My personal. I probably have 15.

Yeah.

But honestly, the problem is I have 15 boards all between 10 and 11ft. So they're all the same. I cannot even tell the difference.

And you bought. Actually. And speaking of speaking about fins, how many fins do you have? I saw a fin the other day that if you laid it down flat, you could have had that spaghetti and Meatballs and broccoli on it. A fin is.

Fin is bigger than this.

Meatballs of broccoli on that fin. It was that big.

Okay, so.

Or how many fins you've had and then you've lost from running people over?

I lost very few fins. Really?

Okay, let's just take that question. I like that question. Let's take a little further. How much of your shit is lying in the bottom of the ocean?

I would say there's two Apple watches, three GoPros. Everyone's running down the street with snorkels. Yeah, everybody's out there, low tide with their scuba gear. I lost a lot of stuff.

A lot of stuff, huh?

They're all. I wouldn't. They're all like in Capitola right now.

Yeah, they probably pushed down over there. Yeah.

Yeah.

I lost a lot of watches and.

And go.

Pearls.

Gone.

But worth it, though.

It's well worth it. Right?

So, I mean, so seriously, Neil. So surfing.

Yeah.

You know, so you need a two, three hundred dollar wetsuit. You need a, let's say twelve hundred dollar surfboard, Long board, fifteen hundred. Need a fin in a leash, you know, so like everything's 1500, right? How much does a set of golf clubs cost?

Set golf clubs are expensive. Just ones like a driver is like 6, 700 bucks.

No.

Yeah. Okay. Set a golf club. Nice set of golf clubs. 5,000. 4. 5,000 what? Yeah, and then you. But the thing is. And you have to pay to play every time, right? So here is free surfing. I cannot believe one thing. Surfing is free. That's the beauty.

Skiing is the same thing, right.

It's expensive.

You got to pay 200 bucks to ski here. And you got to drive six hours.

Right.

Surfing. Surfing is God's gift to mankind.

God's gift to Guy Kawasaki. Things change.

And then. Okay, Neil. But also, like, I guess you could do it in golf or tennis maybe, but what other sport can you participate in with your son and daughter at the same time?

I know because I surf with my son and all.

Have fun.

There's no sport you can. I can't. Maybe golf, but no, there's no sport which you can have, you know, enjoy that much with your kids. And you have to catch a wave. Just go out there and be with your kid for an hour. Quinn and I sat there, I'd go, Quinn. As much as I bitched last Saturday about surfing with Quinn, I didn't need to when I go home, but I was driving fast. I'm like, why am I bitching? I just spent an Hour with my kid sitting there.

What were you bitching about?

There's no waves. Oh, I go, Quinn, you dragged me out. He dragged me out. Come on, dad. Let's go. Okay, he dragged me out there. I complained. But really, I shouldn't complain because I got to spend some time with my kid.

Exactly. Otherwise you'd be in a fricking hot yoga place sucking in all that Covid. I don't understand that.

Let me ask you another question. Your. Your paddling speeds, the speed that you paddle to catch waves, how does it. How do you do it? Where you double the speed. When I'm trying to catch your wave, it's like all of a sudden, you come. Like, normally you'll catch your weight like this. And then with me, it's like, you're free. Fierce. Come on. You're fierce.

That's my. That's my Japanese spirit.

I call it the seal out of water. You know how, like, seals are like this, bouncing.

The two arms.

Oh, you do the two arms? The grandma. Yeah, he. He calls it the grandma stroke.

The grandma stroke.

Yeah.

But you're not supposed to do that.

No, it's kish. Really, I don't.

Now you tell me.

You do it. That's right. You do it. And then you do that thing with your hips. Yeah.

The seal out of water.

Seal out of water. You got this whole thing going on. It's like, what the hell's he doing? I had no idea. We're gonna take a film next time. We'll take a film.

It's so self conscious.

How can you paddle with your arms? Like. It's amazing, right?

Yeah.

You're like this. And your whole worm, your whole torso is going like this. Paddling. Amazing.

Hey, but do I catch the wave?

Yes, you have to catch the waves. How can you not catch waves? Those boats, those damn boards you're riding. We can sit here in piston mode all day long. Thanks for the time.

Stand up, paddleboard on those things.

What? I know. I know you can. Yeah.

I can prone surf on your paddle board.

Yeah, you can. Yeah.

The opposite. Yeah.

And then get hit by Angry John. Yeah. Well, Angry John, we salute you. Thank you for being angry. Thank you, guy. Thank you for the time.

That's it. It's not one hour yet.

You want to keep going? Keep going.

What else we got to talk about?

What else we're talking about.

We got Bob, we got Frosty. Well, we got Olive Garden.

Would you ever get a board from somebody else? Would you look at it? Would you look at a Doug Hout board or would you?

No, seriously. Okay, so I have. I have an Andrini.

Yeah.

I have a Yator.

You. You want. You waited and waited and waited for Andrini. Neil, call him up for me. Call him. Well, how long does it be? You know, ride it.

I made a design mistake because that Andrini. I asked him to make it 9, 11 so that I could take it on United Airlines. I should have asked for something like 10, 6, or 11.

Really?

That's a mistake I made. Not.

You can't write it. Nine, six. They need to think of waves.

Not the way I paddle.

No grandma paddling.

So I got Andrini, I got a Yator, I got a crime.

I've never seen you ride the crime.

That's because you think I'm frosty out there.

Probably.

But seriously, I feel guilty when I'm not on a Pearson Arrow because I think, oh, shit, this is gonna be the day. Bob is driving on East Cliff, and he's gonna see me on a Yator, like. And he's never gonna.

I got a news for you.

He's never gonna make.

I got a news for you. He don't care.

He's never gonna make flan for me again.

He made flan for you. Oh.

If you think Bob's boards are good, you should taste flan. Oh, man. Yeah, Absolutely.

If.

If this shaping thing doesn't work out for Bob, he can be a. He can go work for Gails.

Do you remember when I first met you? I think I first met you at Bob's house at a party he had. Weren't you there? This is probably, like, what he has.

The super bowl party.

It's a long time ago.

His birthday party.

I thought you were Donald Takayama.

That is hilarious.

This is five years after he died.

Wow. I thought you were Donald Takayama. That's who I thought you were.

I thought you were Daniel Craig.

I sure am. This podcast comes to dying in. All right. Thanks, Nate. Thanks for being out there. Always, huh? Always, Mr. Kawasaki. Thank you for being my friend. Thank you very much. See you tomorrow at the. Another. We have another show tomorrow night. The Summit Sisters, playing at the same time in advance.

If I drop in on you. I'm sorry.

Ciao.