The Architecture of Ownership: Dismantling Personal Silos at Work
15 Sept 2026 · 20 min
In this episode, hosts A and B dissect Nicole Hollar’s essay “Who Told You That Wasn’t Your Job? A Look at the Walls We Build Ourselves.” They begin by illustrating the common “that’s not my job” reflex and question whether the blame lies in corporate structures or individual behavior. While acknowledging that heavy‑handed org charts and siloed designs make avoidance easy, they argue that structural blame lets individuals off the hook; the real problem is the series of small, personal refusals that build invisible walls. Hollar frames this as a defense mechanism: employees trade influence for comfort to protect themselves from retaliation or overload. The hosts introduce Hollar’s concept of “trading influence for comfort” and the metaphor of the Potter’s Wheel, where each worker shapes only the clay directly under their hands but can still call out wobbling pots on neighboring wheels. Ownership, in Hollar’s framework, means recognizing problems beyond one’s immediate task and flagging them without taking on the extra workload. The conversation distinguishes healthy boundaries (deliberate limits on scope) from unexamined disengagement (silent avoidance that erodes trust). To break the disengagement habit, Hollar proposes an “audit of your silence”: tally every moment of “not my problem” over a week, then reflect on the underlying cause—whether it’s genuine overload, fear of a micromanaging boss, past trauma, or burnout. The hosts stress that personal agency exists within any bureaucratic system; while macro structures can be reshaped only by leadership, individuals can choose micro‑level actions that prevent the wall from growing. The episode concludes with concrete reflection questions for listeners to examine their recent silences, identify what they were protecting, and consider the impact of removing even a single “brick” of disengagement. The overall takeaway is a shift from blaming structures to reclaiming personal agency through mindful, incremental actions.
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Have you ever finished your specific part of a massive group project, packed up your things, spotted an absolute, just undeniable disaster looming on the horizon for the next team in line, and quietly thought to yourself, well, that is definitely not my problem?
Oh, yeah. It's like the ultimate workplace survival reflex, the silent shrug. We just look the other way and keep walking. Right.
You see the cliff. You see the car heading right toward it. But your assigned job was just to check the tire pressure so you clock out.
Exactly.
We have all been there. I mean, every single one of us. But today, we are going deep to challenge that exact instinct. Our mission for this deep dive is to unpack this incredibly insightful piece by behavior change keynote speaker and coach Nicole Hollar.
It's a great piece.
Yeah, it's titled, Who Told You That Wasn't Your Job? A Look at the Walls We Build Ourselves.
Which is exactly why we wanted to bring this to audio. So many of you have told us you prefer to really chew on these concepts through a back forth discussion rather than just scanning a page on your lunch break.
Yeah, definitely.
Whether you are a manager tearing your hair out trying to figure out why your team just refuses to collaborate, or, you know, you're an individual contributor just trying to navigate endless corporate red tape without completely losing your mind.
Right.
This is going to completely reframe how you view your daily choices at work. We're really shifting the lens from what is happening to you at work what is happening because of you.
Okay, let's unpack this. We are looking at why teams avoid responsibility, and the big debate here is whether this isolation, this, you know, stubborn staying-in-our-lane mentality, is a structural failure of the company or a behavioral failure of the individual.
Yeah, and to really understand why people utter the phrase, that's not my part, we first have to look at who we traditionally blame for that behavior.
Which is usually management, right?
Exactly. In modern leadership circles, there's this nearly universal consensus that teams don't collaborate because companies build walls between departments.
Right, the classic obsession with fixing the org chart.
You nailed it. Think about the standard assembly line of knowledge work, right? The design team finishes their UI mockups, and instead of walking it over and having a real conversation—
They just toss it.
Yeah, they essentially throw it over a massive brick wall to engineering. Then engineering writes the code in total isolation, discovers half the design is, you know, literally impossible to build.
But they build it anyway.
Right. They build it anyway and throw it over the next fence to marketing. Everybody just waits their turn.
There's like zero crosstalk.
None at all. And management consultants will come in and say, ah, your problem is the siloed structure. Let's redraw the reporting lines. The prevailing thought is just If you fix the structure, you fix the behavior.
Wait, I have to play devil's advocate here because, I mean, isn't that actually true though?
How so?
Well, if a company literally puts me in a tiny, restricted box on an org chart and my performance review is based only on what happens inside that box, aren't they the ones building the wall?
I see where you're going.
It feels like, um, it's like blaming the residents of an apartment building for the fact that the neighbors in the hallway never say hello to each other.
Right.
The architect built the separate units, put heavy soundproof doors on them, and design the building so you never have to cross paths. So how is it my fault if I just stay in my apartment?
What's fascinating here is Hollar doesn't disagree that bad structure makes bad behavior incredibly easy.
Right.
If you build heavy doors, people will absolutely hide behind them. But, and this is the crucial pivot in her argument, she argues that structural blame lets individuals off the hook way too easily.
Okay, interesting.
The architect's blueprint doesn't build the emotional and collaborative walls by itself, you know?
Yeah.
People build those walls one small refusal at a time.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, the architect might have built the hallway, but the architect doesn't force you to stare down at your phone and rush past your neighbor when you see them by the elevator.
Wow. We treat the org chart like it's the laws of physics, but it's really just an agreed-upon fiction. We've basically, like, outsourced our personal agency to That is a perfect way to put it.
Hollar points out something so simple but profound. She says, that's not— my part is a sentence. It is not a company policy.
That's a good distinction.
Right. You can comb through your employment contract, your onboarding documents, your official job description, and nowhere does it say you are permitted to stop caring about the overall success of this project the moment your specific section is finished.
Because if we look at the causality of it, it's a lot like muscle atrophy. If you put your arm in a cast, and let's call the cast the structural wall of the company, your muscles don't just stay the same.
Right, they weaken.
Because you stop choosing to move them, they actively shrink. We are atrophying our collaborative muscles every time we choose the comfort of silence, and then we just blame the cast for our weakness.
And those collaborative muscles waste away long before leadership ever decides to redraw a box on a chart. The walls are built person by person, decision by decision.
Okay, so if staying in our lane isn't a strict company policy, and it's not actually written in our contracts that we have to be aggressively unhelpful, why do we so willingly choose to isolate ourselves? Like, what is the actual psychology driving this?
It's a defense mechanism, plain and simple.
Really? Just defense?
Yeah. In her coaching practice, Hollar sees this constantly. She notes that this behavior is almost never malicious.
So people aren't just being jerks.
Exactly. People aren't waking up, pouring their coffee, and thinking, hmm, how can I completely sabotage the marketing department today?
All right, right.
They say, not my job, because it feels safer.
Okay, that sounds great in a coaching seminar, but let's be real for a second. In the real world, if I flag a problem to a notoriously toxic boss, I might get screamed at.
Oh, for sure.
I might get labeled a troublemaker, or suddenly find myself assigned to work over the weekend to fix a mess I didn't even create.
Which happens all the time.
Right. So, comfort isn't just about being lazy; sometimes, it's literally about professional survival. How does Hollar address the reality of a genuinely punitive workplace?
She doesn't ignore the reality of self-preservation at all. It is usually someone who got burned for speaking up in the past.
That makes sense.
Or someone who was told indirectly by the company culture to just stay in their box. The fear of being perceived as stepping on toes or overstepping authority is very real.
Right.
But Hollar asks us to look closely at the microtransaction taking place in those moments of silence.
Wait, what do you mean by microtransaction?
Think of a visceral, everyday corporate example. You are sitting in a massive quarterly planning meeting. The vice president of your division, is presenting the roadmap for the next 6 months.
Okay, I'm picturing it.
You're looking at slide 4 and you realize there's a glaring, massive error in the financial projections. It's totally wrong.
Oh, no.
But this vice president is known to be incredibly defensive, and you are just a mid-level analyst. Your heart starts racing. You think about raising your hand.
I can feel the secondhand anxiety just picturing that. You're sitting there watching a train wreck in slow motion.
Exactly. And then you rationalize it. You tell yourself, well, Finance approved this, not me. It's not my department. And you stay quiet. Wow.
Yeah.
And in that precise moment, what are you doing? Hollar calls it trading influence for comfort.
Trading influence for comfort.
Yes. You are literally buying a peaceful Tuesday afternoon by selling away your ability to make the company better. You avoided the friction of correcting the VP, But you also completely surrendered your agency.
We need to linger on that because that is such a heavy, illuminating way to look at it. You're at the negotiation table with your own integrity, like, I will give you my silence if you give me a stress-free afternoon.
That's exactly it.
But the work suffers.
It does. And if we connect this to the bigger picture, this answers how individual self-protection damages the whole company.
Because it's not just one person doing it.
Right. When you look at that one analyst staying quiet about the slide deck, you might think, okay, small potatoes. They protected themselves. But multiply that single microtransaction by hundreds of employees.
Oh man.
Multiply it by dozens of meetings a week over a few years. What you get isn't just a series of isolated mistakes. That compounded silence is exactly the recipe for a toxic corporate culture.
It's death by a thousand silent nods on a Zoom call when everyone secretly knows the plan is flawed. We all helped build the wall, one shrug at a time.
Which is why Hollar says, if you want to know where your power went at work, look at what you've quietly agreed isn't yours to touch.
Wait, if I'm supposed to stop trading my influence for comfort and start pointing out every flaw I see across the entire company, aren't I just volunteering to do everyone else's job?
Not at all.
Because nobody has the bandwidth to be the workplace savior. How do we reclaim our influence without taking on the workload of 3 different departments?
This is where Hollar introduces a concept she calls ownership, Which is really the core of how we fix this. It's part of a broader framework she coaches people through called Hollar's Potter's Wheel.
Okay, the Potter's Wheel. Walk me through that metaphor because I am trying to visualize how throwing clay applies to corporate project management.
Picture a literal potter's wheel. You are sitting at the bench, the wheel is spinning in front of you, and you have a lump of wet clay.
Okay.
Your hands are on it. You can only shape the clay that is directly in front of you, under your own hands, within your own reach.
Makes sense.
Now imagine there are 10 other potters in the room, all at their own wheels. You cannot reach over to the marketing department's wheel and start shaping their clay.
Right, because you don't know the speed of their wheel, you don't know how wet their clay is, you're just blindly grabbing at their work.
Precisely. If you try, you're going to pull yourself off balance, ruin your own pot, and probably smash theirs in the process.
That sounds like a disaster.
It is. So in Hollar's framework, ownership does not mean you are responsible for spinning everyone else's wheel. It simply means you stop pretending you can't see what's happening in the room.
Oh, I like that.
Right. If you look over and see that the design department's clay is wildly off-center and about to fly off the wheel and hit someone, ownership means you speak up.
You just point it out. Yes.
You say, hey, your clay is wobbling. You don't get up and fix it for them. You don't take on their workload. You just refuse to pretend you didn't see it.
But realistically, how does a regular person exercise this kind of power? The macro system is so rigid. If I'm a mid-level engineer, I can't change how projects are handed off between my department and marketing.
You're right, you can't. Hollar explicitly states that pretending you can control the org chart is a massive waste of your energy.
Because it's above your pay grade.
Exactly! You cannot redesign the overarching handoff process. That part is legitimately outside your control. But your power in a walled-off system doesn't live in the macro structure. It lives in your micro daily choices.
It's about what you do with the clay in front of you and what you say about the clay you can actually see.
Yes. You control whether you flag that wobbling clay. Yeah. You control whether you ask the hard question in the meeting room while everyone is there instead of waiting to whisper about it to your work best friend in the break room afterward.
We've all done the break room whisper.
Oh, definitely. But you control whether you view your piece of the work as a mere task you are relieved to be done with or as a vital contribution to something larger.
Here's where it gets really interesting. It reminds me of a shared kitchen scenario.
Oh, let's hear it.
So if you're in a big commercial kitchen and you see a massive pot of stock boiling over on a shared stove, bubbles are everywhere, water is hitting the burner, smoke is starting to rise.
Total chaos.
Right. You could look at it, shrug, and walk away because the head chef only assigned you to chop the onions. But exercising ownership doesn't mean you have to stop chopping onions, run over, reseason the stock, and suddenly become the soup chef. It just means you yell, hey, chef, the soup is boiling over, before you go back to your cutting board.
That is the perfect distillation of personal agency. Personal agency lives in knowing exactly what isn't yours to fix. But absolutely refusing to quietly abandon the parts that are yours.
Wow.
You don't have to fix the marketing problem, but as the person who spotted it, you own the observation. Flagging it is your part. Fixing it is theirs.
Okay, but this raises a huge red flag for me regarding mental health.
Go ahead.
If I'm always scanning the horizon for everyone else's boiling pots and pointing out every wobbly piece of clay in the room, how do I not burn out?
It's a very fair point.
We talk about boundaries at work constantly right now. So what does this all mean for our mental health? Isn't staying in your lane sometimes just a healthy, necessary boundary to protect your own sanity?
This raises an important question, and it is actually one of the most frequently asked questions Hollar gets when she presents this philosophy. And her answer is incredibly nuanced.
Okay. What does she say?
She says it is absolutely not inherently wrong to stay in your lane. Boundaries around your scope of work are healthy. In complex projects, they are necessary. If everyone tried to do everything, it would be absolute chaos.
You need some walls just to hold the roof up.
Right. But Hollar draws a razor-sharp distinction here, and this is where we really need to pay attention. There is a massive difference between a boundary you have thoughtfully set to protect your time and focus versus an unexamined habit of disengagement That quietly erodes trust.
A thoughtfully set boundary versus an unexamined habit of disengagement. That is a brilliant distinction. Walk me through what that actually looks like on, say, a Tuesday morning at the office.
A thoughtful boundary sounds like this: I see this major flaw with the marketing design. I'm going to flag it for the marketing director right now, but I am going to be explicitly clear that I do not have the bandwidth to lead the redesign myself.
Got it.
You exercised your influence, you flagged the problem, but you protected your time. You didn't buy the problem, you just pointed to it.
And the unexamined habit of disengagement— what does that sound like?
That sounds like, well, I see the flaw in the marketing design, but whatever, I'm just an engineer. Not my problem. Good luck to them.
Ouch.
Yeah. Right. You didn't protect your time in that scenario. You just abandoned your agency. One protects your focus and maintains your integrity. The other actively erodes collaboration and trust across the entire company.
So, if someone is listening to this right now, and I know I'm feeling this, and they realize, oh wow, I've been doing the unexamined disengagement thing for years, how do they actually fix it?
It takes some work.
Because you can't just flip a switch and suddenly be the bold truth-teller of the office. Generic advice like speak up more never actually works.
No, Hollar completely agrees that generic advice is useless here. You have to get under the hood of your own psychology. She suggests a very specific mechanical step to break this pattern.
Oh, I love specific steps. What is it?
You had to do a literal audit of your own silence.
An audit of your silence? How does that work?
Try this. Keep a sticky note on your desk for one week. Every single time you catch yourself thinking, not my problem, or every time you see an issue and choose to stay quiet, make a tally mark on that sticky note.
That sounds confronting.
It is. Don't judge yourself in the moment. Just track it. At the end of the week, on Friday afternoon, Sit down and look at those tally marks. Look at how many times you traded influence for comfort. And then you have to get deeply, uncomfortably honest with yourself about why.
Because the cure for the silence depends entirely on the disease causing it.
Exactly. You have to name the real reason behind each tally mark. Was it a healthy boundary because you were truly overwhelmed with your own workload?
Which is valid.
Very valid. Or was it a fear of overstepping because you have a micromanaging boss? Was it trauma from a past experience where you did speak up and got humiliated in front of the team?
Also valid.
Or, and this is the toughest one to admit, is it just a genuine lack of interest? Have you simply checked out of your job?
Oh man. Because if you're just burned out and don't care anymore, the solution isn't to try and force yourself to speak up in meetings. The solution might be realizing you need a new job or like a really long vacation.
You have to name the real reason underneath the silence in order to fix it. Because while company structure absolutely shapes your behavior, and let's be abundantly clear, leaders are strictly responsible for building good, healthy structures.
Right.
Personal agency asks a totally separate question. Within whatever imperfect, walled-off bureaucratic structure currently exists in your workplace, where do you still have a choice?
It's the ability to hold 2 conflicting truths at once. The company might be a bureaucratic mess with terrible org charts, and I still have the choice to not add to the mess today. I don't to be a victim of the org chart, even if the org chart is flawed.
Both things are true at once. You're operating within a system, but you are not completely powerless within it.
This has been such a paradigm shift. We started this conversation by looking at how incredibly easy it is to blame the corporate structure, you know, the invisible walls, the rigid departments, the whole throwing it over the fence mentality.
Yep.
It's so satisfying to just point a finger at senior leadership and say, well, they built this broken system, so my disengagement is their fault.
It's the ultimate path of least resistance. It requires nothing from you.
But through Nicole Hollar's lens, we've moved away from that structural blame and zoomed all the way in on our own personal agency. We've dissected the micro choices we make every single day.
The microtransactions.
Exactly. Those moments we choose comfort over influence, the moments we confuse a healthy, necessary boundary with a toxic habit of just checking out.
And that brings us to the real challenge for you, the listener. Hollar has some specific reflection questions in her article, and I want to pose them directly to you right now as you're listening to this.
Get ready, everyone.
Think about your last week at work. Think about those tally marks on the hypothetical sticky note. Where have you recently told yourself, that's not my part? And I want you to really ask yourself, was that actually true, or was it just more comfortable to believe?
Oh, that is a tough mirror to look into.
It's meant to be. Think of a specific time recently when you noticed a problem forming completely outside your lane and you said nothing. What were you actually protecting by staying quiet?
Wow.
Was it your time and your mental health, or was it just your ego? And finally, if you stopped waiting for an engraved invitation or official permission to weigh in on things beyond your assigned piece, what is the worst realistic outcome? Is it really worse than the current situation of letting things slowly fail?
It almost never is. We completely catastrophize what will happen if we speak up, but the slow, agonizing decay of staying silent is almost always worse for everyone involved. I want to leave you with one final thought to ponder today, building on everything we've unpacked from Hollar's framework. If every not my job shrug adds a tiny brick to the invisible wall dividing your company, what would actually happen if you decided to remove just one brick tomorrow?
Just one.
What if you flagged one shared problem, asked one difficult question in a room full of people, or simply refused to walk past that boiling pot in the kitchen? Would anyone even notice you did it, or would you suddenly find yourself looking at a completely different, much more open view of your workplace? Because if you test it, you might just find that the wall you've been hiding behind isn't nearly as solid as you thought.
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