The OWN IT Podcast with Nicole Hollar

15 Sept 2026 · 20 min

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In this episode, hosts A and B dissect Nicole Hollar’s essay “Who Told You That Wasn’t Your Job? A Look at the Walls We Build Ourselves.” They begin by illustrating the common “that’s not my job” reflex and question whether the blame lies in corporate structures or individual behavior. While acknowledging that heavy‑handed org charts and siloed designs make avoidance easy, they argue that structural blame lets individuals off the hook; the real problem is the series of small, personal refusals that build invisible walls. Hollar frames this as a defense mechanism: employees trade influence for comfort to protect themselves from retaliation or overload. The hosts introduce Hollar’s concept of “trading influence for comfort” and the metaphor of the Potter’s Wheel, where each worker shapes only the clay directly under their hands but can still call out wobbling pots on neighboring wheels. Ownership, in Hollar’s framework, means recognizing problems beyond one’s immediate task and flagging them without taking on the extra workload. The conversation distinguishes healthy boundaries (deliberate limits on scope) from unexamined disengagement (silent avoidance that erodes trust). To break the disengagement habit, Hollar proposes an “audit of your silence”: tally every moment of “not my problem” over a week, then reflect on the underlying cause—whether it’s genuine overload, fear of a micromanaging boss, past trauma, or burnout. The hosts stress that personal agency exists within any bureaucratic system; while macro structures can be reshaped only by leadership, individuals can choose micro‑level actions that prevent the wall from growing. The episode concludes with concrete reflection questions for listeners to examine their recent silences, identify what they were protecting, and consider the impact of removing even a single “brick” of disengagement. The overall takeaway is a shift from blaming structures to reclaiming personal agency through mindful, incremental actions.

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