#23 Monday Night Konsensus: Social Media is a World University

Oh, it's up to you, Samsa, whichever you prefer. I'm just— while you go through your intro, I'll try to see if I can make the video visible for everybody. So why don't you continue with your intro, and then I'll let you know when I'm ready with the video.

Okay, that's cool. Let's do that. So yeah, so recently we have been working on what we call Voice Twitter. So the point being that in the realm of social media, there is a lot of picture sharing, there's a lot of text writing, there's a lot of communications that sort of comes from the first wave of the social media where the first online services were like IRC, newsgroups and so forth, and then the second wave of the social media has been more about a sort of different type of communities, maybe even less about the closed or enclaved communities and more about broadly open social conversations in a Twitter-like fashion. So now the question is that what the third wave of community online medias would look like, And what we have been thinking about is that maybe there should be more sort of joining the goods of the second wave and the first wave, meaning that bringing again the communities together, empowering the communities, and giving a bit more freedom for communities instead of platforms being dominant in the sense of how the community should do their content management. So with the Voice Twitter, what we want to do is to give a place for people to share their voice, which we understand as voice blogging. So you can do your chatting on the go, much like you would do a webinar. Very easy, just go ahead, invite your community to comment, and then basically pull together the conversation out of that. That maybe it could be like #consensus or #blockchain, and then people can join in and follow and contribute for the conversation going on. So that's basically what we have been working on and looking forward to, to hear more thoughts on how it should evolve. If you, Niko, want to shoot the video, if you have it there, that would be Would be maybe good.

Yeah, yeah, actually I just got it ready here. And then, yeah, that's— I'm super excited about the product that you have, and that's precisely why I invited you to the show, because I figured it's something definitely worth sharing. And I would also really encourage the audience to participate in this one, maybe throw in some tough questions, ideas, whatever you have. And yeah, I think we can have ourselves a nice talk. And I do remind everybody who is watching We are launching another show, a new show today after this. So definitely you want to stick until the end and then probably catch the next one as well. So without further ado, let me just mute myself and I'll roll the video. Hopefully it will work. Hold on a second. It appears that the video sound didn't work, unfortunately. That's probably the stream issue, but I have dropped the link on that video in the chat. so everybody can just check it on their own time. A picture tells more than 1,000 words and video more than 10,000, I believe. So I think that's probably worth to check it. It's just 1 minute or something like that. I do hope that the sound was not permanently messed up by me fiddling there. I do apologize for that. If you want to encourage our show, please leave us a like and do subscribe. And I will try to lead us straight to the topics. So guys, we're talking about voice Twitter here. That's pretty awesome, especially for a field like crypto, where we try to mostly raise awareness and try to get people to acknowledge new ideas and overhear new ideas and kind of plant these seeds. I feel like this is a very powerful tool to kind of reach the new kind of the regular people that maybe have never heard about crypto or stuff like that or any other topic. But of course, since we are on ConsenSys Network, we are mostly concerned about how this relates to crypto. And I do see some overlap here. And I just wanted to start the conversation by saying that. And maybe we can go— Samsa, would you care to weigh in here a little bit more? And then we can just

Yeah, absolutely. Basically, the thinking that I have in terms of Voice Twitter and having the conversations is that basically once we get used to using our own voice and engage our community in the voice conversation, it actually also helps to have the conversations when we are on the go. And the question is then that how could we have the mechanisms to actually make sure that we get the rewards needed for the content we contribute, and what does that sort of economics of conversation look like? How we build the next generation of community media? And I mean, that's the question that really drives my question and thinking there. So I mean, open for the conversation. And I mean, the big question to me is that what would that sort of conversation look like? How can we have this sort of massive global conversation arena with voice?

That is a very interesting question. Why don't we— Rico, why don't you start first? Give us your thoughts.

That sounds great. Thank you for having me this evening. And Samson, it's a pleasure to meet you. I was just reviewing your Twitter page, and I appreciate everything you're bringing to the table. This is a first for me. I've never heard of Voice Twitter. It sounds legit. It does sound a little scary from somebody who doesn't like to have his information out there in public. But I guess in a sense that's where we're going, is being able to actually use your voice to talk to people. That's incredible. I mean, I talk in text sometimes because I've got other things I'm doing, so that's great as well. But Twitter and talk, I mean, this is gonna hack— I mean, this is gonna be a whole new level of voice in the world. It's exciting. I think that this new generation is gonna probably get it more than we will. we do. But yeah, it's going to leave room for more things than just hashtag. There's going to be so— I mean, this hashtag is probably going to be some slogan or something. I don't know. I just sent out a tweet to @Jack, the CEO of Twitter, and see if he checks in. But this is all new to me, so I'm kind of going to be the one asking a lot of dumb questions here. So I've never heard of this. I literally just got into Twitter. Maybe a year and a half ago once I started getting into Bitcoin, just to follow who's online. So yeah, let's— I'm kind of curious what everybody else thinks about this voice Twitter thing.

Well, I think that idea is great. And I mean, I'm not really a big fan of social media exactly. I did start a Twitter account myself maybe month or two ago just to check out some news and all. But I think this voice Twitter has some— it could be a big thing. I mean, like, I, for example, like to send voice messages much more than texting and typing messages because it's so much faster. I can do it on the go and it doesn't take so much time to get my point out. One thing that I just love on voice messages are that Well, I usually tend to talk a little bit too much and maybe a little bit slow, but with voice messages you can go on and speed it up, and I just love it. I think that that's a could be a great thing for the future.

That's a very interesting point. You you sorry sorry Alexi just. Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah, I think the voice is very interesting from a UX perspective. Like, I think in the future we're going to interact a lot more with voice with our computing devices. And we have devices like Apple has the HomePod and Google has also those smart devices that you can talk to. So I think voice Twitter for these kind of platforms would be very interesting.

Yes, absolutely. And I do have the same problem as Rafael here, is that I always talk way too much and way too long about all this stuff. So one of the amazing features in, for example, the Telegram chat is it is possible to kind of lock in the the recording of those voice messages. So you do no longer have to press down with your button all the— with your thumb all the time on that button. And although this is quite nice from UX, my friends don't like it because now they get like hour-long voice messages, which might be tough to listen to. So absolutely, this is, you know, having more of a voice, literally a voice in this sphere, is quite interesting. Because a lot of the nuances of conversation are missing in just texting. And it is, after all, just text with some emojis. Well, emojis are actually quite a nice form of condensed language that do convey a lot of information. But nevertheless, I do think that having a true voice is really nice to have.

Yeah, isn't it like some kind of fact that most of what people are talking, it's really about the way they talk and how they pressure each letter and all that. It's not really about the content, what they're saying. I think it's just like something like 10% of the message you are giving out.

Well, I actually had a question for Sampaa. I was just kind of curious, is it gonna be like you actually hear the person's voice, or is it gonna be translated into text? Because of the what Raphael just said, yeah, it's all about voice accents, tones, the way you speak things, the way you ask things, the way you emphasize different words, especially if it's a different language. So that's gonna be— this is gonna be cutting edge, guys. This is really gonna be interesting if it's multilingual. So yeah, I'm kind of curious, does it record your voice or does it just turn it into text?

Yeah, that is indeed an interesting angle there, that what is the way to actually then listen to others having something to say. And basically, it is very much so that our brains have very adapted to listening others to speak, meaning that the moment our brain sort of gets these airwaves in and the processing starts, one of the first things to happen is emotional detection. Meaning that we sort of try to interpret that whether this is a friendly voice, whether it is something else, and basically then to sort of build the mindset that, okay, am I supposed to be interpreting the wordings as some sort of threat or something as neutral or something that we should be excited about. What is the tone of the voice that is coming across? And then that sort of tunes us in to the conversation. And when we go into text format, then it comes back to smileys and so forth. Which then sort of loses us in the sense of conversation. And the smileys are not quite able to capture what the emotional processing does in terms of actual tone of the voice. So meaning that while converting the voice to text comes with the benefits of being able to read when you are not able to listen, But then on the other hand, we get lost with the actual tone of voice. So I'm not sure if it would be a plus or minus to be able to convert in the text.

I'm going to jump in really quick if no one else does. I also had a question. So now a lot of people on YouTube— on YouTube, excuse me. A lot of people on Twitter are anonymous. And they like it that way. But if you use a voice and it's portraying the person's voice, wouldn't that make it non-anonymous? Because now the person would know— I mean, somebody would know. Everything that is being digitized right now has KYC. It's got this whole information of how to record what you're saying. Google's always recording what you're saying. Facebook has an AI that's recording what you're saying. It's been said to have Samsung's, same thing. So It's— I don't know if you're a developer in it, but wouldn't that make it non-anonymous if you heard the person's voice and you could actually— I mean, if you knew the person's voice and they tweeted it and you heard the voice, then you would know that this person is either that person or not. You know what I'm saying? It wouldn't be as anonymous. I reckon, I guess, in a sense, in the first beta testing, I don't think it's going to be voice recognition of the actual recording. I think it would probably be a switch text. where the computer reads it, but who's to say? I mean, if it does give you the recording, then that's a whole other level of— I wouldn't say intimacy, but yeah, I guess you would say intimacy. It's a very non-private—

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there is the question of intimacy, but on the other hand, that is the sort of— maybe it is both the joy and the curse of voice. voice, that it is in fact quite intimate, because especially when people are listening to others speak in the privacy of a headset, for example, then it's sort of known that this privacy of listening to others talk boosts the emotional reaction because you have more sort of permission, the space to experience the feelings. And yeah, then of course there's the anonymity part of it as well. But maybe if someone is very concerned with the anonymity, maybe you would use text-to-speech to begin with, so then it's not detectable for your own voice.

It looks like Aleksei has a question as well.

Yeah, I think there are technologies already that can like convert your voice to another voice in real time, so you could mask your voice or something.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say also, that yes, voice recognition is possible, and especially when you go on and put many messages, it could be traced to you, especially by the subject and all. But yeah, like Aleksei said, I think there is some kind of translators already for those who need it. And anyway, even if it's just— even if it's a Twitter that it goes from sound to text, it will be still a cool app. It will be kind of like, you know, some kind of book where you write all your thoughts or something like that.

Well, being the conspiracy theorist that I am, I honestly think this has been out for quite a while. This plays into what I was just talking about, the idea of the applications that these artificial intelligence search engines and this new technology that's being put out, unless it's put out by Purism, is recording your information, that honestly locating where you are. And if they know that you're using your voice and they can GPS track you, then I mean, it's quite interesting. I mean, you don't have to be like at the real person. You could just be like, this is really me through voice activation. I think it's going to get there. And if it's not there already, it's going to— this technology exists. So I mean, Twitter is— they are known for shadow banning in the States. They are very left-sided, I guess you'd say. A lot of things that you want to say get shadow banned. I know that I get shadow banned. I've seen it happen. And it would be interesting to see somebody try to shadow ban your voice because that's true. Well, in America, it's— you take away the second right, which is the freedom of speech. So it's going to be interesting if this does go through, if it's going to be somebody's voice or it's just going to be a computer, you know, reading your information. And yeah.

Yes, all great points. And I maybe just want to elaborate on how useful this can be. Yes, it can be scary, absolutely. But after all, it is a tool. It can— Research this way with any PDF document, you can actually, and you can let— you can turn it into an audiobook with something like, for example, the @VoiceAloud reader, which is a free app on, on Android and iOS. And with this, it gives you the power of any PDF document that you want to, to get this content as a direct mind download, so to say, for, uh, for all the knowledge that, that is in there. Plus you can use this time to be somewhat productive while getting educated. So I'm a big fan of audiobooks, and, and using such a text-to-speech engine has improved the, the amount of knowledge that I can take in by several orders of magnitude. So I, I cannot recommend this enough to at least check it out. And, you know, this is a tool. Yes, it can be used for, for great suffering, and, and it can be used for censorship And it can be used for excluding people out of this market. But as any tool, it can also be used positively. And this is where I see the best potential.

This is turning out to be a great conversation already. And yeah, I just wanted to move the conversation along and get to the next topic because we have the the next show starting after this as well. But yeah, let me just tell you, I really appreciate the panel and all the ideas you put forward. And we are all pioneers here in spreading the word. And this is precisely what we need to focus on the protocol level as well, how to spread the word. And all good points like how voice has become a very important tool for us to absorb, or rather medium to absorb this information. Like for example, the speeding up, it's Like, I do that all the time with audiobooks and PDFs and YouTube videos. I do 1.5x nowadays. First I started with 1.25 and now 1.5. And I do think that's a very interesting point with the voice tweeter. If there's such a speed-up function, and there should be, and then that's going to greatly, greatly expedite the quality we can absorb information as well. as well as the speed and how much we can fit in our day. I'm going to allow one more round of comments here. Aleksi had something to say, and then I want to introduce the next topic. Aleksi, why don't you go first, and then if you guys have something else to add to here, and then let's move on.

Yeah, I want to emphasize again the whole UX aspect of voice. And the voice is just faster. That's why I think it's going to win.

Yeah, absolutely. The fastest way to, like, you know, if you need to stop a man from getting hit by a train, what, are you going to text him? I mean, you know, you're probably better off using your voice. And it is personal, like Samsa as well. But then again, so is using your real name. So is— we are all— well, most of us are using our real full names in the public and our faces. That's also quite intimate, and it has its upsides and it has its downsides. And also, like Max said, there's a tool— I mean, different kinds of tools and different uses for tools, misuse of tools. And I do think this is a tool with great potential. And to that end, I want to shift this topic kind of to the— I put kind of like this clickbaity topic for this show, which is social media is world university. And I kind of want to elaborate on that with the next point that I want to bring forward to the panel. So could social media become a free university of sorts, or has it already to some degree achieved that? Why don't we start with Samsa again and then the panel can do their thing?

Yeah, it's indeed an interesting question that how things will evolve, and there's of course a huge amount of initiatives going on globally, different ways of building online debate environments and constructive debate environments. and so forth. And somehow to me, it seems that the sort of underlying question there is that, what is Web 3.0? It's something like 10, 15 years ago when, when, or whatever was the year Web 2.0 manifest, but that sort of claimed that, okay, we are going to go into the era of dynamic websites, and dynamic websites are going to take over the dominance from the sort of static websites and online communities. And that really happened. So now the question is that what is the Web 3.0 gonna look like? What is the major paradigm shift? Decentralizing— decentralization, of course, is there on the table. And so is the community curation models, that how do we as a community build new knowledge? Wikipedia is maybe a leading example there, but there are sort of new forms of more community-curated where you create space for more than one viewpoint. And I guess that's the question, that how do we have these multiple viewpoints represented as we move on?

Max, you wanted to jump in?

Yes, absolutely, because I really want to hammer home this point of how important it is to, to realize that we live in the age of information, and information is a non-scarce good that can and is being shared freely and openly without pretty much any cost to the content creator. And this means that we now have the possibility of going out and and sharing all our accumulated knowledge, all our accumulated understanding, and go out and share it with others. We have the Library of Alexandria in our own pockets, and nobody, absolutely nobody, can stop you from using this library to get educated about any topic that you like. Any topic. You can reach the experts in the fields. And talk to them if they are still alive, or watch their recordings and their history if they have already passed. So we have the opportunity of connecting to the experts, and not just some random dudes who might know a little bit, but the truly experts in any field that is of interest. That is so powerful, and that will change everything, and that already has changed everything. There is no way of putting this back into the box, and this is going to be such a liberating tool for humankind.

I'm with you. I'm on board with that. It's a very liberating tool. It's very exciting. But it literally— you guys, we're gonna be connected. I mean, I thought Twitter people were connected online all the time, but with this voice Twitter, I mean, if you literally have like a Bluetooth piece in, then you can just click You click a button and you can talk, and the next thing you know, you're streaming your voice on Twitter. Yeah, it is powerful. It's exciting. It reminds me of a lot of movies that have come out where people are literally living dual realities. You've got an online world, which I think we all know what that is right now. It's just a bunch of accounts with who we appear to be online. And then you've got your real life. It's not as exciting. Maybe for some. I find it more exciting, but I think the online world is— it's a hard thing to grasp. And I think with this voice activation Twitter thing, it's gonna be even closer to being able to grasp it, being able to understand that we are becoming the AI in a sense. We are becoming the World Wide Web just through our voice now, it seems like.

Yeah, maybe that's the first form of being cyborgs, that we have one ear in the internet all the time.

Yeah, I've been thinking about that same thing too. I mean, like, we already have the phone, it's connected to the internet, it has all the information, it can make calculations that we can't even think about. And, you know, it can find information more than we could even fit into our heads. So we just have to now fit this phone into our brains in some way or something like that. But yeah, I do agree that internet is bringing so much knowledge to people and I mean, it's huge. And this kind of voice Twitter thing, I think it would be really great also because I mean, like everything is speeding up these days. I mean, like everybody has to go on and do more and more stuff. Everybody's becoming even more hurried. And so these kind of voice messages would, I mean, I think it would give you information much faster than, for example, reading a book. Or, I mean, I like to study a lot from YouTube and listening for stuff speeded up. Like Niko said, 1.25 or 1.5, and you, you just learn how to listen to that. I mean, these days I can't even try to listen in a normal speed. It just seems way too slow for me. And this is the way we are going all the time, and this voice tweeter could be a great thing on it.

Yeah, I just wanted to jump in real quick and point out that actually Elon Musk said in his recent interview with Joe Rogan, which I highly recommend you watch, it's very entertaining. He's talking about AI, for example, and he's saying that we are already cyborgs, just like Max and somebody else here pointed out that we have the Library of Alexandria in our, you know, hand. Basically, it's an extension for our brain. We don't need to remember things. I used to remember tens of phone numbers. I barely remember my own now, and we do have a brain extension, all of us, already. And yeah, that's— I just wanted to quickly chip in with that, and definitely check that interview out. Oleksi, go ahead.

Yeah, I was thinking about the education aspect now that all the information is free and education is free, what will happen to the formal education, like going to school and universities? How are they going to be valued in the future? And I heard that some companies like Google and Apple and the like of that are already dropping out the requirements for formal education.

That's another great point, and that's true. I noticed the same thing, and I think big companies are— it is going to be a trend. People are more and more interested, entrepreneurs are more and more interested in what the individual can actually accomplish rather than which schools they sat through and what kind of student loan did they accumulate. I feel like that world has kind of died after internet. But go ahead, Rico.

Wow, it's— yeah, you're absolutely right, Niko. It has kind of— it's definitely shifted a paradigm. It's calmed down in a sense, but it's also become alive in a different mindset. It's a side brain, I think, that we really— you're right, half of our head does live in a technological world. And I was just thinking, yeah, so if you can start to download this stuff, I mean, Who's to say you can't just insert a memory chip and download it into your own self, in a sense, and read it later, listen to it while you're eating dinner, and you're just listening to it? I mean, that's literally what audiobooks are. You're just like taking in information while you're doing something else. You know, it's multitasking to the max. And here's what I was thinking. If they have this technology for Twitter, who's to say banks, businesses, credit card companies, flight companies, hotel places are going to be like, okay, And you're going to say, Google, book me a room at the Westin, and then they do. And it's like everything is done through voice. Your voice now becomes your thumbprint. This is the turning point, you guys. This is really exciting, but it is scary. It reminds me of almost Ghost in the Shell, in the very first scene when that guy's downloading information, and it's his daughter singing a song, and she learned some different African language, and it's just like— This is— we are— we're not— I don't think we're gonna get to see that, but maybe we will.

Very Matrix-y. Reminds me of Matrix.

It is definitely very Matrix. It's, uh, yeah, it is this pre-Matrix right here, you guys. This is scary stuff, but, uh, exciting.

Yeah, I think, uh, one big thing that there is is that we already have this information, but our brains just can't, uh, use all that information or get it or process it in fast enough time, for to say. I mean, we have to, like Rico said, we have to go on to the internet and to your phone and play this some kind of information. You cannot just, you know, get it to you and know already what there is. This would be the next step for what I think when we become this kind of real cyborgs and when we can really put these chips in our heads. But yeah, I think that's the problem. We are the problem. We are not available to get all this information and process it quickly enough. But we have already the technology for it.

Yes, we already do have this technology. And now it is a matter of fact of using it. People have dedicated their lives on building products, building software, building tools that you can use to your own benefit, either to acquire new knowledge or, or to gather new experience, but also to defend what is yours, to defend your rights. And both of this together, the accumulation of knowledge and the defending of this information. And of course, in the context of information, it's the defending of your privacy. It's not that you have nothing to hide, it's that you have nothing to share. And that's why we need strong cryptography in any decentralized network, including the internet, but also in your money. So working on privacy and anonymity to give you a tool to defend yourself It's vitally important because only in that way can we truly experience the full power of this amazing technology.

And one point that came to my mind also is that now with, at least now with blockchains also, but with internet at least, we have this immutability in data and with all this kind of information. Before, it was written on paper or on something else, and it wasn't divisible for everybody. I mean, like, it wasn't a situation where everyone can go on and read that paper, and it would be destroyed or edited or, you know. But with internet and with at least some blockchain technology, we can go on and make this information immutable. And I think that's really a big step. These things that we are talking about now would be, you know, they will be staying here on internet forever. Well, not forever, but for a long time.

Yeah, that's awesome. This is an awesome conversation and good points, everybody. And I think Samsa had to leave, our honored guest here, so why don't we Let Samsa drop in here and maybe give us some final words. Go ahead.

Yeah, I was thinking the world university social media theme and listening to the points here, and maybe it is indeed the kind of question there that is there or should there be some sort of way to assess our common understanding? Because of course, when internet in a way is already decentralized, there are a lot of small pockets of communities all over the world with multiple languages and so forth, and each pocket has a slightly different understanding of where the world is going. And the question is that should there be— is it is it in any way needed that there would be somehow alignment in understanding what it is that it's going to look like? Or is it better that sort of, if we think biologically or ecologically, usually the evolution requires a lot of fragmentation, so it's actually good that there are a lot of different understandings and then we'll see what actually happens? I mean, that's sort of what I how I see the huge amount of fragmentation in the different social media communities. And then the actual learning comes out of seeing what actually in the end works in real life. And I guess voice there can be helpful in a way that when we understand better the sort of emotional state from where people are coming into conversations, then that helps to build the understanding that, okay, are people willing to do that because, or willing to do something because they are excited about it or because they are afraid about it or whatever is the sort of emotional state that people are coming with, what emotional state people are coming into conversation, that might then help to build the consensus in a way that, okay, Let's take this approach now. Anyway, very happy to have the conversation and I'll hang out for a little moment, but then I unfortunately need to drop out.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Thanks for coming. And anytime you want to leave, just drop in and let us see you out first before you go and give you one last chance to promote your awesome new product. as well. And yeah, thanks for the great ideas, and I'm pretty happy with this. Like what you said about the social media, how it works as an educator, or rather a platform for education. Social media helps you see the big picture, like you said, like where's the shelling points of the society, what are people looking at, what are people talking about, and what is the tone. And I do think that the flavor that voice can bring to those conversations will enrich it and enhance the experience and the learning experience further. And of course, this method of learning requires a lot of humility and the kind of like objectivism that you can be critical of your sources and never trust but verify. So it fits the ideology perfectly, like this self-sovereignty and peer-to-peer in education as well as in, as in everything. It should be between, between 2 parties and no third party involved necessarily. Why would we waste resources that way if we can teach each other and we can teach as a collective as well, not just one-on-one? And that's precisely what social media does. At least that's my view. Feel free to jump in.

Yeah, I think social media is great because you don't have to trust just one source. I mean, like, I'm not sure, but a while ago when there was no social media, you just, for getting some information, you had to go on and read a magazine, which the text was pretty long and it was produced probably by one or 2 people, and so you get just one of those opinions. Or you go and watch TV, and there's also this same kind of situation. Or you go on and read a book, but those things are always— you're getting a big bunch of information of one opinion. But with social media, you can go on and get these little pieces of information from various different people and getting all these different ideas about this certain subject. You don't have to go on and read a whole book just to understand it, and if you would, you would understand it in only this one certain way.

Okay, don't all speak at once.

Rico, Max, Alexei, where are you?

For a second there, I thought my audio went dead. That was an awkward moment. That's Do we still have our guests?

Yeah, but again, right here, this shows that there are some important communication skills lost when having such a video conference. And although this video conference is already much better than just being on the phone or just chatting via text, but still here, you know, there is no aura, there is no body language, there's no mimics that you can truly experience. And this means that, for example, right now, like, we didn't really know if other people had something else to add. And usually, you know, when we would be in the same room, we could kind of sense this, right? We could maybe see how someone is taking a deep breath and, you know, straightening themselves to come up with another point. So, you know, this is something that is missing in this digital form of communication. Yet, you know, don't underestimate permissionless innovation. So I'm really curious on how stuff like, for example, artificial and virtual reality might end up changing, you know, these, these types of conversations. And when you have a more immersive conversational experience, what do you guys think?

I think that's an awesome idea, and I'm waiting eagerly to get our next show into VR.

I think we should give Samsa a turn now. He has his hand up. Go ahead.

Yeah, I was wondering what he just said about interpreting the body language and so forth. On the other hand, social media and distributed communities can also be seen from another angle, power is also in, in being able to do asynchronous communications that, you know, one person writes something about his or her expertise offline, and then others will sort of come back to that much, much later and join the conversation when they actually have a good moment. And I mean, that's something that is of course then requiring less interpretation of whatever the body language was going on, because the processing takes time on their own time. Anyway, once more, it was super interesting to be here. Now I need to drop out and have a great conversation.

Thank you.

Thank you, Samsa, for coming. And yeah, you're welcome to the show anytime. And you really have an awesome product, and I hope we can work together on that. Take care.

Thank you, Samsa. It was an awesome talk.

Yeah, thank you, Samsa.

And you know, it's so important to collaborate and to intermingle all these different projects, all these projects that try to make this place just a little bit more delightful. And so it's amazing to have entrepreneurs like Samsa and developers like him who actually go out there and do something, right? And not just sit around and talk, but actually go out there and build stuff. That is amazing. So keep it up.

Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree with that. We need more and more builders like Samsa who come up with actual products that can help humankind. And I do think this is a product that can help the humankind, so I'm definitely standing behind it. But yeah, we still have some time here before we're gonna start with our next show, so I wanted to maybe wrap up the topic with kind of bringing in the monetization of our spare time and the decline of the job market in the future due to AI and all the advances in technology. And at the same time, the population is growing, so it seems to obvious to me that there won't be job security for almost anybody in the future. So we need some ways for people to be able to monetize their free time or basic— their basic actions or whatever they like to do. So could there be something here? Like, we've been— we have Alexei here who is the lead developer for Weeconomy, which is a trading platform that works on top of Bitcoin. And what we are looking for that is basically different links for people, different services or building blocks for people to monetize their free time. And this could be maybe one, like I was actually just got this idea today that this Voice Tweeter could actually be a tour. You could actually sell tours with this. So let's say that you have the Weeconomy app that normally has guitars for sale, meatballs and stuff like that for sale. And then you have a tour. You're actually traveling somewhere, you want to see the neighborhood, and you have somebody who is local who likes to go take some walks and talk by themselves in the Twitter, for example. And then he has built a tour of his favorite walking route through the city. So whoever goes there for a visit could then buy that from Weconomy. and then enjoy their lovely voice on this tour. So this is, in my— I see this as a bridge for the future security of job security as well. And I just wondered, what do you guys think?

I'm so sorry, can you repeat the question? I didn't get it.

Well, basically, is there a way for this kind of social media, especially since we've been talking about the voice Twitter here, is there a way for us to kind of monetize what we do for fun in the future, maybe using these kinds of tools? Like, for example, in the case of Weconomy, maybe actually I'm mostly interested in Alex's point. point in this since Alex is the lead developer of Weconomy and we haven't really discussed this idea yet. So maybe, Alex, if you don't mind to share your idea on this.

Yeah, it's an interesting thought and I think it could be at some point. I'm instantly thinking in developer's terms, like what does it need to actually produce that feature. So yeah, it could be further down the

pipeline? I think that could be a great product for people to make themselves. I mean, like, you know, taking out some coordinates and mapping the places out and recording some certain kind of voice message to that certain coordinate. And when some other people goes on and buys this tour, they could go on and play this, let's say, map and these voice messages. Yeah, I think that would be cool, but I think that would be a user thing.

Yeah,

mostly.

Yeah, like hear the stories of the place where you are or something.

Yeah, just like a tour guide but from your phone.

Yeah, I like that idea. It could be as simple as you go to a cafe and then you sit down for a cup of coffee and you check your app and you check if somebody had a thought there that they recorded, and then you can kind of like be transported to that moment and that thought that the person thought when— while they were sitting in this very chair that you are. So it's a different way to connect with people. I kind of like that.

Oh, now I got it what you mean. Yeah, location-based messaging. Yeah, that would be cool. I mean, like, you know, checking out— you go on and sit on a certain place and check out the messages people have been putting in there, thinking in that certain place, maybe like 5 years ago, how has it changed or something like that. Yeah, I think it will be cool.

Max, do you have something to say about the monetization of one's free time in the future? I'd really like your thoughts on that.

Oh, this is really, really interesting because, well, the question is, you know, what are the incentives of getting shit done? What motivates you in order to go out there and do something with your life? And I am of the firm belief that once you have a fundamentally based mindset, that you then further will experience some tasks that bring you so much joy and so much happiness in life that you do not further need to be incentivized to do that. For example, for me, it's talking about Bitcoin, talking about liberty. You cannot shut me up about that. I don't need to be paid to talk more about it, right? I do not need to be incentivized even more to do so. What a wage is, what a payment is, is that you are not motivated intrinsically out of your own— how could you say that— conviction. of this, of this system or of this task that you're doing. And therefore, someone has to incentivize you to do stuff that you otherwise would not have done, right? There's always opportunity cost involved. So it's, it's always curious to see where, when and where you need monetization and incentives. But I, I agree with all that you said, that you can create beautiful game theoretical structures That although you do not necessarily need the money to be incentivized to do that, but it means that you can even further be paid or be supported in a sense for doing the stuff that you love about. So for example, donations and like the ConsenSys donations for additional high-quality gear. This is something that we don't necessarily need. We're already talking right now without having this incentive. But having this incentive just gives us this extra little notch of doing the stuff that we love and dedicating even more time to this.

Yeah, that is great. I love to talk about the incentives. And that is precisely what we're doing here, educating people of our free will. We don't want to get paid for this. Our payment is kind of like the better tomorrow that we are all building. And then of course everybody has their own business and stuff, but certainly the education we offer here is free. We take it for free, we give it for free. That's how it works, and I think it works great in social media. Alexei, go ahead and jump in.

Yeah, about the incentivization and monetizing your spare time. I mean, I think it's like these days what gets people out there is like games like Pokémon Go. So if you could like create a similar experience for helping out and getting some maybe crypto rewards for it. I think it would be very popular.

Yes, gamification is a big thing in all, all the apps basically. If you can make using an application that is useful to you addictive, I think you're in pretty good business. And even if the app didn't produce anything necessarily useful to you, it's still— video game industry is huge, so obviously gamification should be a part of every product design. And I really like the idea in this context as well because you can really incentivize people to do those. You can have bounties and people can complete tasks and find meaning through that as well. Like if we go back to the job security, which normally brings people— alleviates the uneasiness when you have a job and you can know you can provide for your family. But then how about in the future? How can we get this? How can we best alleviate the uneasiness? And I think we're going to have some kind of sharing application like this that extends beyond the actual just the— you know, exchanging goods, but rather also companionship.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's something that is very real, that it's going to happen soon, and sooner than most people think. Most people still think— I think, well, I don't know most people, but a lot of people seem to think that if you go to a university and you get a huge loan and you get a degree, then you have job security for life. And I hate to tell that to people, but it's I don't think that's going to happen anymore in any kinds of fields. I mean, you have to be really good, and if you're good, you don't even need universities. So, to be honest, I think most people will be unemployable in the future. And yeah, I think we're going to wrap up here as well. So let's go one more round around this topic, and then everybody can finish up, and then we can welcome our next show. Rico, you can— Go first.

Yeah, well, I just wanted to touch on game theory a little bit. I don't actually— I'm not a gamer, perhaps, you know. I played Game Boy. That's about as far as I go. But I look at life as a game. I think that in a game you're just trying to get some kind of— to get to something, to get to somewhere, whether it's some kind of coins or whether it's like a first shooter game or something. And in a sense, that's just a replication of life. You know, people check out and to go to a game because It gives them that release. You can step out of the seat, you can go play a game. It's all virtual, it's all good. And now it's like people don't realize that your life is, in a sense, a game. And if they can get you early on, if they can get you out of high school, if they can get you into the military, if they can get you into anything where they take away your decision, you have forfeited your game theory options. You are no longer free. You are somebody's bee. You are to be told what to do. And even when you are taking out these massive loans, you literally are trusting and hoping that it goes well. And in this day and age, we— you can't trust anybody, you know. You have to verify, as Max always says. And it's true, right? You look at people in front of you and they've taken all these loans out and they get stuck in a job, and you know what they end up doing? Just minimum wage work or something like that. And you have to test the boundaries. You have to test your options. And that's what a game's about. That's why people play these games where you can literally do anything, you know, like Grand Theft Auto. People are doing crazy stuff and they're videotaping it because it's a thrill. That's the enjoyment of something that's not real. You can let go and jump out of a plane and get into a tank and then all of a sudden go into a helicopter. And it's point in case, guys, this is where we're getting to. It's going to get to the point where that other side of the brain that's in this technological world doesn't want to tap into the reality of what's going on around you. So you have to use the technology in a sense to your advantage. And Niko, you had said earlier that The world has changed so much since the, the day of the internet and since technology. Everything is all digital now, and, uh, you have to be able to hold on to the ground before you get sucked in, because you get sucked in. Absolutely. Whether it's crypto trading, whether it's buying the next shitcoin, whether it's YouTubing, whether— what you can name it, you can get stuck in it, you know, right? Um, even if you're just watching like Netflix, you can just zone out, you know, for like 5 years, I'm sure, and or never come back. People, some people just they get lost and their alter ego is who they become. So you gotta you gotta figure out that where do you find the middle ground? I think in this day and age of change because it's going to happen quick and we are dawning into this game theory of who are you making your own decisions? Are you using things that are going to help you out? Are you kind of just A fish and they're all being led to the boiling pot. I don't know, we'll

see. Whoa, that got really, really deep there, Niko. That was an awesome thought actually. I would really like to continue that. Maybe we can have another late night show with you and talk a little bit more about that. But let's give the other board as well, the panel as well, chance to say their piece, and then maybe everybody can just in the end just tell our viewers where they can find you if they want to talk to you or they want to collaborate with you. And also remind everybody what you guys are mostly about and if you have a webpage or something like that. And Rico, do you want to add that to your exit? Oh, maybe Rico went AFK. Max, why don't you go?

Yes, guys, as always, I have a great pleasure to talk to you all, and I just love this educational network of not like-minded, but individuals that want to support each other and want to help each other on this path towards this discovery of the truth, which is amazing. And Rico— sorry, Niko, tough to differentiate your names. I love what you said earlier, that you need to be— or that it is nice to be addicted to the stuff that helps you. And, you know, when I check my average view hours on YouTube, it's scary as hell because it is way too much. And thinking about all the other podcasts and articles and all that stuff. I am addicted to doing Bitcoin research, but at least it is research, or it is something that, in my opinion, propels me forward. And that is, that is a beautiful place to be in, because not only do you love what you're doing so much that you cannot stop, but what you are doing propels you further even so much more. So I love this. I love this rabbit hole that you just continuously fall down. And conversations like these are just so, so precious, and I treasure them quite, quite a lot. So guys, thank you very much for having me. It was a pleasure to talk to you. And if you want to find out more about the stuff that I'm doing, you can go to Twitter @HillebrandMax. And my personal website is towardsliberty.com with a bunch of book resources to Bitcoin and Austrian economics. And then I do put out a lot of content on the World Crypto Network. So lots of stuff there talking about Austrian economics, natural law philosophy, and of course open source software and why all this is so important in Bitcoin. And this is kind of my stick and I do love talking about it. And of course, I also have here the show on ConsenSys Future Money, which is fantastic and a great honor to have this show here on this cool network. And always nice to, as I said, intermingle. So, you know, keep it up, guys. I'm really looking forward to what the future brings. We're getting ready here in this bear market of crypto, building, you know, building up stuff so that in the next bull market, we are ready for the onslaught of new people coming and seeking education. So I'm honored to fight this fight alongside you all.

That's awesome, Max. Thank you for those words. And as always, it's a pleasure to have you and all your knowledge to our disposal. It's great. What a wonderful resource also, your website towardsliberty.com. Definitely highly recommend it. Alexei, why don't you tell everybody your final thoughts on the topics and if anything was overlooked, and then just let everybody know basically what do you do and where they can find you.

Yeah, thank you guys all for having me. And I don't know, I already pretty much said everything I have on this topic. So it was a great conversation and a lot of good, good thoughts and points made by everyone. About me, you can find my information On my website mindy.io, or you can go to the project Weconomy website, which is one of the projects I'm developing. It's a sharing economy on the blockchain and with Bitcoin. So maybe go check that one out. You can also find my information there. Thank you, everyone.

Thank you, Alexei. And do definitely check out Weeconomy. It's a pretty cool project, and what we try to do is help Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies get to mainstream. And I think everybody can agree that that will help everybody. Raphael, why don't you give us your final words and where can people find more about you?

Well, there were so many good points from everybody. And well, thank you really much, Niko, also for inviting me again to the show. It's always a pleasure. Well, I was thinking about when you said about these people going to school and expecting to get a job. And this is a thing that I think that how the world is changing, that it doesn't really help that much anymore. if you go to the school and get some certain kind of education. These days you have to just keep evolving all the time and learning more and more stuff all the time. And usually people don't have that much time to go to the school and learn everything from start to finish. So that's why internet is so cool and a great thing. So you can go on and look out for a specific thing that you want to upgrade on yourself or, you know, what you want to— in where you want to evolve. And another thing about this social media being like a world university is just, this is just one of like a simple stupid thought, but just for example, I'm not a religious person or anything, but if these stuff that are written by people years ago, if it would be in some kind of internet or a social media type of thing, there would be some counterarguments. There would be so many people talking about these things and not just one version of it. And that's what I think is the most important thing about this world university called internet. That there's all kind of comments. I mean, like usually words are written about about the perspective of the winner, but in social media we can hear the both. And yeah, well, that's just my thought about that. Yeah, you can find me on Telegram with the nickname Crypto Rave and. Yeah, you can find me on Twitter too with that same name, and that's pretty much about it. Thank you so much.

Awesome. Thank you, Rafael, and thank you, dear viewers, for sticking out with us. I think we still have 12 live viewers, which is excellent. We have 7 likes, so if 5 of you can just go ahead and hit the thumbs up, that would be awesome as well, or thumbs down if you didn't like it. I do believe we lost Max and Rico already, so it's just the 3 of us here now. And I think we're gonna get ready for the next show, and I want you guys also to stick around and check out the next show. It's gonna be about trading. It's gonna be in Finnish, so at least you can check out the TA, the charts, if that helps you. And if you are by any chance TA analyst and you would like to make some English TA videos, do contact me. And otherwise also if you want to contact me about shows or whatever, if you want some information, I can try to help you. You can reach me on Twitter, OmniFin, double N at the end. Also on Telegram, I run the ConsenSys Telegram groups with a bunch of great admins, and I do believe that the Best conversation, at least in Finnish, will be found on those those groups that we moderate. Very proud of those groups. So do join us over at Telegram. You can find it at Consensus RY for the Finnish chat and Consensus EN for the English chat. So please do join us there. Like and subscribe and get ready for the next show. And thanks for watching. See you next time. Oh, Niko.

One more point. Yeah, I think Rico is still online. And one thing that I forgot is that if people are getting pissed off about our sound quality or video quality, they can just go on and donate on the BTC address on the corner of the screen. And also remember to check out our ConsenSys Shop. where you can go on and buy some products with ConsenSys logo. Yeah, that's all. Thanks.

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding because I always forget. We actually have a merchandise shop for ConsenSys merch. At the moment you can get— it's basically Spreadshirt, so we get like a small cut if you buy some shirts from there. But if you want to support us regardless, at least it will be nice to see people wearing those in the meetups or livestreams or whatever. So definitely Glad you brought that up. So yeah, like us, and, uh, hopefully we'll see you soon again. Bye.