@Bitcoin_Mermaid - How Finding #Bitcoin Rescued Me. Once BITten 365

And in French, would it be, uh, it'd be like pastis, I suppose, in French, right? Okay. So like an aniseedy, like zambuca. Is that along the same kind of thing?

Oh, I don't know. I don't know what that is, but so they mix it with water and it's, it's sweeter. It looks like a vodka. But when you mix the water in, it becomes white. It looks milky. It's just really interesting. But yeah, so that was the main drink. But I guess lots of them drank beer and other things. So it wasn't like we didn't only drink rakija. On the second night, there was a big rakija moment.

So this is one thing a lot of plebs like to learn about. How you transitioned from working in a fiat job to landing yourself with a Bitcoin job. Many people out there are trying to do the same thing. What was your journey? How did you make it happen? What could you advise other people to do?

I like the last question, but first of all, I don't think I ever really had a fiat job. Like, at least not like really, really, uh, I mean, I like last year I had a job for like a couple of months in a bar. It was like one or two nights a week I would work there, but it was only like a couple of months. And actually I keep on forgetting about that job because it really doesn't even, it's not even really on my radar. And before that, I didn't really ever have, um, like once I worked for a bicycle mechanic, but that was also over this, in Switzerland, you, you get like free money off the state if you're poor and you don't have a job and you don't have studies and you don't have family and blah, blah, blah. And that is kind of my situation. And so I do get this money from the state and then they force you to like work in something. So I was working in a bicycle mechanic store once, which was awesome. I loved it. But it was also kind of over them, and it wasn't like it wasn't like something that I found because I needed a job because I wanted to have money. I mean, yes, all of that was the case. But so then I took the bicycle mechanic one because I was like, okay, I really, I mean, I don't want to participate in this society. I don't want to like they can all go and excuse my language fuck themselves. Um, so bicycle mechanic. Okay. Yeah, I'll do that because I feel like it's something personal. Like I will enrich my life through knowing how to fix a bicycle. I think that's awesome. It's like basic mechanics. I love mechanics. It's so, so it was more like I looked at it for as a personal growth thing. And like, I tried to look for jobs because these social services, they force you to, to look for jobs. They're like, uh, yeah, we give you free money, but you gotta like show that you're willing to reenter this society.

Right.

And I was like always looking for jobs, but I never found anything. Um, and then the few things that I was like, okay, yeah, I could imagine, like I'm kind of agreeing with their values that they represent. And I could imagine working there, but it never worked out.

Mm-hmm.

And I'm really happy actually now that, that is like that because, um, it was never like 100%, like, yes, 100%, I wanna work for these people. Like, I, I believe in their values and, and they're my values. And like, this is how I feel with Relay, like, or with Bitcoin in general, with having a Bitcoin job in general. It feels like I can finally be in it 100%. like with all my being, with all my strength, with all my energy, like everything that I am is in there. And it's just because I feel like I'm doing music since 16 years and I'm doing music to make the world a better place. That's it. Like there's anything I would have chosen would have been for that reason. And that when I chose what to do with my life and I chose music, That was the reasoning behind. I was like, okay, like I need to do something where I feel like I'm at least spreading a message if I'm not, if I'm not literally like working on some machine that is going to clean the ocean or like, I don't know, some other crazy technical stuff that is really what I would have liked to do, like some engineering or something like that, which I didn't get the chance because of my complicated childhood and family and no money and just everything really hard. And so in the end, Like, okay, music is something that is also like helping me. So I'm going to do this. This is, seems the best way that I have in my toolkit to try and achieve what I want, which is a better world. Like, so when I started to hear about Bitcoin in 2015, it was like, oh, finally. This is the borderless money that I have always been dreaming of since I'm— since I can remember, like 4 or 5 years old. Like, I just thought, like, well, I don't believe in borders, and why should there be different money types? Like, just doesn't make sense. And if it doesn't make sense for a 5-year-old, then it really just doesn't make sense, right? Mm-hmm. If even a 5-year-old can say that, like, what the fuck? So, so, uh, yeah, when I heard about Bitcoin, it was like, oh, finally this is here. And then, and then I just always felt like I'm not enough. Like, I'm not, I'm not good enough to actually work in a Bitcoin company. I don't have technical, uh, background. Uh, I don't have business background. I, I, yeah, like, who, who is gonna like want to hire somebody? Like, I know how to clean, how to cook, and how to play music, and that's basically Well, yeah, a few other things, but, but so 2 years ago when I got into Bitcoin more intense, uh, intensity, and then like 7, 8 months ago when I deleted everything else like Facebook, Instagram, which I wasn't using for years, it was just like sitting on my phone and then sometimes wasting my time, like randomly once a week I would like look into it and be like, what, what, what am I even doing here? So I got into Twitter and then everything changed. Like, I found the Orange Pill app and that's basically the reason why I went to Lugano. And thanks to that, everything changed because I met Max Keiser in Lugano. And then, well, soon after that, I met Julian Lindinger here in Winterthur at the startup night. Which is also through Twitter that I saw that he was there. And I really wanted to meet him already in Lugano and I missed him there. So I was like, oh my God, like literally a week later, he's like 10 minutes from my home. Oh my God, definitely I'm going there. So I went there, there's like, I don't know, 300 startups and I went like directly to Relay, the only reason why. And in a way, I would say that that is kind of all thanks to Orange Pill app because I wouldn't have went to Lugano. Lugano if it wasn't for the people. The first few people that I talked on, on Orange FinLab, they were like, oh, did you come to Amsterdam? And I was like, no, it's so sad. They're like, oh, but are you going to Lugano? And I'm like, what? And so that's like how I, I, I discovered that Lugano Plan B is not just this, uh, movement that Lugano has to integrate Bitcoin, but it's also the the conference, which I kind of, I didn't get that until that point. And so like, it was a week before it happened and I was like, should I go? Should I go? Okay, right. I even packed my guitar and I just left there with my Dollar Apocalypse song that I wrote for Max and Stacy. Right. And yeah, then I just, I didn't know what was gonna happen when I get, if I was gonna meet them or if I was gonna be able to play them the song or anything. But I just did, and and it all worked out, and it was fantastic.

You got to play them the song?

Yeah, well, Stacy didn't have time, but Max was there. Stacy was working and talking and being being her important usual self. Yeah, and Max sort of said at the to the movement, the Satoshi Gallery, he was standing there, and then. Uh, I appeared and we had already met before, so it wasn't like the first time. The day before we met and then that day he's standing there and it, yeah, just happened. Improvised. There is a, on the Orange Peel Jam, um, YouTube, the video is up, the one with him at Lugano.

Orange Peel Jam. Yeah.

Yeah. That's YouTube.

So one thing, um, I like talking about on this show is, uh, how people were predisposed to Bitcoin without even knowing it before Bitcoin was even released. And you've hinted—

Wait a minute.

Yeah,

wait a minute. Like, I mean, like that question, but I just remembered the other question you made that I kind of didn't remember, didn't answer. So like you said, what would you say to people that want to get out there?

Yeah. What would be your advice? Okay. Yes. Yep.

So like, just put yourself out there. Like just Give it your all. Like, if that's really what you want, just like, just scream it out there into the world. Just go onto Twitter, read the tweets of the important people out there, and follow the, the Bitcoin maxis, uh, that you would like to work for. And then just like their tweets, comment their tweets, just be positive, just be supportive, and just Don't have any expectations. Like, uh, like, are you— like, for me, it, it, it is that. And I'm like, I am, I'm in it for, for the long run. Like, this is it, you know? We're gonna die on this hill. Like, fucking, I don't care if I get, if I get paid more or less. I just need to survive. And I'm doing this for hyperbitcoinization. I don't do it for Julian Lininger or for Adam, even though I love them and they're great and I love that they're my bosses. But we are all working together on something so much bigger than us, and it's not about the money, it's about fixing the world. And yeah, we have to survive, right? But I think Bitcoiners look after each other, and if, if they see that you are there and giving it your all, they're going to look after you and you're going to get some sats some way or another to survive. And I, and that's, that's, I think, the important thing.

Yeah, for sure. And you've had a smile on your face the whole interview so far, so you're clearly in a good place. Yeah. So like this idea of what was happening in our lives before Bitcoin was even released that predisposed us to finding Bitcoin. And you already said at 4 or 5 years of age, you didn't believe in borders, couldn't work out what this money thing was, questioning life. I mean, the state must hate you. Because they don't like people like that, especially in Switzerland. Is that where you grew up? Yeah.

Yes.

So you're supposed to be in school, not questioning, doing as you're told, following the rules. This is one of the, you know, being gaslit into believing you're the most neutral country in the world, one of the richest countries in the world, the banking financial center of the world. You know, all of this nice cushy stuff that gets fed through the education system and force-fed down people's necks and into their brains and programs them. You were clearly already fighting that with every fiber of your body. Why do you think that is? And, you know, what, what are you happy to share with, you know, some of the situations that, that led you to really understanding Bitcoin?

It is definitely because I did not grow up here, like, or at least not always. Like, I was born in a hippie community in South Spain. I think that says it all. You know, hippies are very anti-money and anti-government and definitely anti-banking and credit cards. And, and they are also anti-borders and they believe that we are all the one and the color doesn't matter. And they believe in all the colors of the rainbow, right? And it's like this, uh, this, this mentality or these values. were just there. Everybody, every child heard their parents talking about this. And, and then you just, I mean, at least for me, it was something that I, I guess I still am very observant and as more hypocrisy there is, as more I start to question things. And in this hippie community, there was a lot of hypocrisy as well. Mm-hmm. Not just in the outside world. And I could see like both and it's just, yeah. So I questioned a lot of things. Like for me also, since I'm very small, money is not the problem. Like I always, like I never really understood it. I could say that even now I still don't really understand it, but like money. I always thought when I was little, yeah, if you have a lot of money, it's your choice what you do with it. You can be an asshole or you can go and save some polar bear or some forest or like whatever you want, right? If you've got loads of money, you can do loads of things. You decide where that money goes and that has a lot of power. And so I was never really agreeing with this. Yeah, this hippie mentality, this anti-money thing was not something that I could relate to. Even when I was small, I saw that there was some sort of hypocrisy behind it. As in, you're a hippie, you're saying anti-money, you don't want this, you don't want that, but you do still participate and you do still use money. So it obviously doesn't work without it completely. So it obviously isn't just evil. Like, there has to be some other thing that we're just not getting yet. And I guess that now I understand that the problem wasn't the money. The problem was the soft money, the unsound money. And now I would even say that if money is real and hard and sound, it's actually like an incredibly beautiful thing. And not something ugly and horrible and evil, but actually something amazing and beautiful that like opens up so many opportunities and, and possibilities.

It's, it's amazing to think that, yeah, like a hippie community, they would be the perfect people to orange pill because hard sound money leads to peaceful civilization.

Yeah.

And, um, you know, uh, a community that, that can trust each other. Whereas, I mean, they're, they're right into to not believe in the fiat monetary system.

Yeah.

But they're missing like that, that thing that, you know, it links our species, this idea of a medium of exchange that we all agree upon to, you know, express value to each other. You got some orange pilling to do in the hippie community. You know what?

I don't know. Are you, are you, have you checked out? I did, I did kind of, yeah.

Well, how long were you there? How long did you spend growing up there?

Well, I was there like 100% until I was 6.

Well, I mean,

100%, like we always came like for a month or 2 or 3 to visit, you know, Switzerland or grandparents anywhere, or even like other people, just, just like there was traveling. That's what hippies do, right? But, um, like our base was there in El Morion and in this hippie community and I had all my friends there and I felt like I was living there. My heart was there and that was my home. But then when, with 6, uh, yeah, we started, well, like my parents, they were fighting ever since ever.

Mm-hmm.

And when I was 6, um, my mother was already gone. And at some point my dad decided to leave as well. So I, I had to leave with my dad and Then at some point my mother came back and then I had backwards and forwards in Switzerland and Spain and this and that and the other and like the fucking nightmare began. And yeah, it's still, it's still happening. The nightmare is still happening.

Oh, sorry to, uh, sorry to hear that. But, um, on a brighter note, Lauren's just walked in to, uh, to ask you her question. Hang on a second. Say hello to the Bitcoin Mermaid. So what is, what is your question?

Well, why are you a mermaid?

Oh, that's a good one. It just like, I guess, was my destiny, or maybe I have always been a mermaid. It just happened. Slowly things started to come, like things of the sea. And then my, my leggings, my mermaid leggings, they're the like last thing that happened. I used to have green hair and yeah, it just happened.

Are you a mermaid?

Um, last time I checked, no, but I am a Bitcoiner.

Yeah. Woo.

That's so good. But maybe, maybe there is a mermaid inside of you somewhere. You just have to find her.

Well, when you go swimming. What other questions do you have?

Why did you join OrangePal app?

Well, because it's the coolest app in the world. I love it. It's that, yeah, I'm a Bitcoiner too, and sometimes I get a little lonely because there's not that many of us out there. And I'm like, I really want to try and find the Bitcoiners that I have close to me, and maybe we can meet up and take some orange pills together.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, are you going to, are you going to be in Prague for the conference?

Well, I would love to, but it's a little bit too much and I don't really want to go on my own. Like, um, I've got so much work to do for Lugano Plan B for the orange pill jam. Launch party.

Okay. So when's Lugano gonna be this year?

The 21st, 22nd.

October?

Yes.

Okay. All right. Let's put that on the list.

Yeah, you've gotta come.

So many things to get to.

Where are you? Where are you at? Where do you live? Where do you live?

We're in the south of France.

Ah, well then you can come. It's not that far.

Yeah, exactly. We would love to. We want to get to all of them, but they keep stacking up.

Well, next year, next year I'll go to all of them to play music.

So do you want to ask your other question about Bitcoin?

My—

your usual question.

What's your favorite thing about Bitcoin?

I really believe that if we fix the money, we can fix the world. And I think Bitcoin is that fixed money that we need.

Yeah.

Any more questions?

Um, I don't think so.

All right. Well, thank you for coming in.

Yep. Thank you.

Thank you. It was nice to meet you.

Nice meeting you too. Bye.

Right. So, um, yeah, where were we before? Um, you were talking about, uh, yes. Uh, the hippie community and then, uh, being moved around from place to place. Uh, so getting, um, a strong feeling that, that something was up and weird in the world. So when—

Yeah, and also because my life wasn't easy because, well, I mean, I'm sure there's people out there that had it a lot harder than I had. But like, growing up in a hippie community with all these values about peace and love and this and that and the other, I look at the world and I thought we live in this beautiful paradise. And the only thing we have to do is to chill our balls and enjoy. And then I could like look, I'd see all these people fighting and warring and it's like, Um, at some point it became really hard to be happy because everybody else isn't, you know? And it's just like, it's just really, you like come into the room like, hey, what happened? Everybody's like, oh, shut up. We're not in a good mood. Like, ugh. And, um, so that, like, I've, I've always been like trying to find that one place or those people, the, the, the, the, the place and people where I can live that simplicity that I know can be. I just, I just know we, we could all just chill out. And enjoy. And we don't have to fight or worry, or as long as we communicate and care about each other and work with each other, I'm sure there would be a way. I'm not saying we would never argue, but like, like, yeah, just like keep it in check, you know? Like there's a certain limit that if you overpass that, and it's just not normal anymore, it's just not okay. And And I've always been trying to like find that and I've never found it. And it just always felt and it just, yeah, it still feels like that. But since I work for Relay, finally it feels like I'm getting a little bit of a break. But still like everything else, not like the whole world around. I came up with this term planetary close.

Claustrophobia. Okay.

I think this is like exactly like, this is what I felt like my whole life. It's just like nowhere to escape. There is rubbish everywhere. There's contamination everywhere. There's this stressed people everywhere. And I'm just like, I just want to, I just want to like escape, disappear, dissolve myself into thin air. Like, Go to another planet ideally, right? Like somewhere where nobody's been yet. And yeah, I don't know. I'm sorry, I kind of lost a little bit there. What was the question?

No, no, no problem at all. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in there. Well, I guess you could say you live in cyberspace now with cyberspace money, with cyberspace friends on Bitcoin Twitter and Orange Pill app. Where you clearly found your people. Uh, so I'd like, I'd love to know actually, um, how, how many other people have you managed to, to meet on Orange Pill app? Have you used it to be able to go and meet in real life and have deep discussions and find your people in, in the physical space as well?

Yes, I even organized an event not so long ago.

Good for you.

But it was like a last-minute thing and, um, only like 2 people came. Well, one came, like he came with his girlfriend. He wanted us to orange pill her. And then another girl came also from the app, but I actually had met her on the Swiss Bitcoin Conference after we already connected on the app. And I don't know, like actually I get like a, a lot of messages On the orange flag? Well, it like depends. Sometimes there is like a quiet time, but then suddenly I do get like a load of messages and it's, it's, um, yeah, well, I kind of want to use the orange flag for meeting people around in my area. I don't really want to write to people on the other side of the world like, hi, oh, nice to meet you. Oh, when did you get into Bitcoin? Uh-huh. I mean, yes. All cool, but I need physical human contact. Like, I've got enough virtual reality happening in my life. And so sometimes I guess some messages get— go under a little bit. So if anybody of those people is listening, I'm really sorry. Just write me again and I will, I will answer.

Well, I checked earlier and I think we're like 420 miles away. So yeah, here we go. 410, give or take the, the 10 or 15 miles because it doesn't tell you exactly where everybody is. Yeah, I love it. Musician starting the Orange Pill Jam Project. Accelerate hyperbitcoinization with tropical paradise island tunes. Awesome. Gypsy dub, Afro-Latin hip-hop fusion to dance and learn Bitcoin. Yeah, to join, write me a DM.

Yeah, so actually, to join— What's the project?

What you got to tell us?

It's just music. It's just Bitcoin music. Well, it's just really cool music with Bitcoin lyrics. And yeah, you didn't hear any of my songs yet?

I, I, I wanna say most likely, but where would I have heard them?

Well, I shared them on Twitter. Of course they are on YouTube, uh, on SoundCloud and Wavelike. But like, I guess you would've heard it on Twitter or like some people retweeted it, like Max Keiser retweeted the songs. Um, and yeah, you can just go to YouTube and listen to, there's 3. Already released.

Okay. The YouTube channel is Orange Peel Jam. Yeah.

Yes. The Orange Peel Jam Project is like the full name, but if you the handle is Orange Peel Jam, so everywhere is Orange Peel Jam.

I'm going there right now. The Orange Peel Jam Project. Subscribe and then videos. Here we go. Toxic Max Immelist. Yeah. Okay. Dollar Apocalypse, the Orange Peel Jam project. All right. Okay. And then there's the video of you actually playing it to Max here.

Yeah. Yes.

Excellent. 3 months ago. I don't think I've seen these, you know.

Oh, wow. You're in for a treat.

Which is crazy. And You know what, actually, shout out to Pubby and Anders. I'm sure you know the Toxic Happy Hour on Twitter, on Spaces. If not, follow @PubLord and @Anders. They threw the Toxic Happy Hour party that was sponsored by Swan in Miami, an afterparty the first day, and they had this rooftop setting in an outdoor cinema in Miami. So you've got the most amazing kind of view and whatever else.

And they were playing my song there.

Did they?

Yeah, they were playing my song there because one of the, the girl that I met in the, in the, um, the Swiss Bitcoin conference, she's also on Orange Pill app and she was here at the meeting that I did, the Orange Pill, uh, the Orange Pill app meeting, app, whenever.

Yeah, the event you threw. Yep.

So, and she's like a super, like, she's my biggest fan. She's so sweet. You, um, like saw my other podcast with the rabbit hole stories,

right?

Rabbit hole. Yeah. And, um, yeah, she loved it and she loves my music and she was at Miami. Mm-hmm. And, and she, she played the song on the rooftop terrace. I mean, I don't know if it was the second night or the first night or whatever, but she, She sent me a video of the song playing on the rooftop on the subway.

That's amazing because what they did, they had on the big cinema screen, they had a 1-hour feature-length movie of Bitcoin Twitter memes. And everybody sat down. Well, a bunch of people sat down. You could sit on these really comfortable deck chairs and just watch the big screen out in the open air with a beer and whatever else, cocktail, whatever it was you wanted. And sure enough, all of the memes started coming out and everyone was just laughing. And you realize how much you've missed over like the, the last even 5 years because you'd be sitting there and I was actually sitting next to Carla of the Crypto Couple at one point and her memes were coming up and she was singing along to them next to me. I'm like, this is so freaking cool. But then I would turn to her, I'm like, I've missed this meme. When did this one come out? I have no idea. I missed this one too. There's so much content out there that people have missed, but then some of the classics you remember from years and years ago. So I would, once I get a chance, I'm going to go through your songs and either I've seen it and it clicks a memory and I can pinpoint a time in the past that I remember it dropped, or it's brand new and it's It's gold. You know, I love all of the things that go out there in the Bitcoin world, in the content creation world. And also the first night, I think the night before the conference kicked off. So after general, after the industry day, the Lightning Ventures guys were putting on Roccomoto where they had all different Bitcoin musicians playing just in like an open mic night in a bar. We missed it. We didn't get to go, but I heard great things. Knut was there playing and singing and a bunch of other Bitcoiners. So this is something really worth putting on any conference, like the night before or a closing party. Just get all the Bitcoiners that can play and can sing, and just get them up there just jamming together. It's amazing.

Well, I'm actually, uh, organized. Well, my, my, my, as you will hear, my music is not a, um, microphone and guitar situation. It's a selector and DJ situation and like big pumping, uh, speakers. If we can get like a, a, um, How was it called? A sound system, you know, like, like a proper dub sound system. That would be the ideal because that's what I do and we do dub.

Well, Mark from, uh, the Princess Hotel in Germany was an ex-pro DJ, right? I don't know if you know him. He'll have all of that stuff.

Yeah, well, I don't know what he has, but like, uh, sound system, most people don't have a sound system because It's like you make it yourself usually.

Right.

And that would be the next step at some point to make an Orange Pill sound system, like, uh, to build it from zero and like have it like get the truck to go with it. So you'd like move the truck with the sound system and yeah, just go to, I don't know, just make Orange Pill. Maybe that's a stupid idea. I don't know.

No, it's not. It's a great idea. I'm already thinking of 2 people that would love to make you Well, to be able to help you with it. And that's Max DeMarco, who's Pleb Music on Twitter. He would have a good bunch of contacts for you. And also Roger 9000, who's based— he's an Australian based out of the UK. He does all this wacky funky music based to the backdrop of memes. He interweaves all of the memes with his music. It's amazing. And Seeing it live is cool as well. There's gonna be.

You've mentioned these two guys, and before you mentioned one or two other things.

Mark from the Princess Hotel in in Germany.

But before you mentioned the guys that do the spaces and the stuff.

Oh, the toxic happy hour guys. Yeah.

Could you remember all these things and just send them to me in like a message afterwards? Now yourself.

Absolutely. And in Avon Valley in the UK, last weekend of July, over the 24th of July, there's a Bitcoin conference going on, family conference going on in an adventure valley, adventure wildlife park, excuse me, Avon Valley. And they're going to have Dominic Frisby bringing his band. Roger 9000 is going to be there. There's going to be Joe Martin. from Bitcoin Twitter as well, who's releasing all of his album on Fountain. So music is creeping into Bitcoin conferences for sure.

That's so cool. It's amazing because I only know about Pleb Rap and actually one more on Wavelake that I discovered that is also doing Bitcoin music. But like, that's like the only 2 I know. Like, and I've been trying to find like Bitcoin musicians and music and like going through Twitter and trying to actively ask people, hey, do you know any Bitcoin musicians? And I didn't really get any, nothing back. But—

Right.

I did know that Knut Svanholm, he was a musician. I used to, or like he, I guess still is, but he mentioned that on the Rabbit Hole Stories podcast, he talked about his past, and I was like, oh my God, that's so cool. I really like the way he thinks and what he's got to say and how he talks. And then that was just like, obviously, of course he's a musician.

There's a lot of very talented Bitcoiners out there, that's for sure.

Yeah, I'm always so jealous because they know how to do programming and play music. I'm like, oh damn. Maybe one day I'll know how to do programming too.

Well, I can do neither or even sing. So, you know, don't feel too bad. You're way ahead of the crowd. Well, I should ask you, like, the final question as we start wrapping up. If you had one orange pill left to give to somebody, who would you give it to and why?

Well, Just one. I said take it myself just in case that I everything. No,

double down.

No, I really don't know. I mean. Is there any hope left for these people? Would it be more dangerous if they get orange-pilled? Um, but yeah, I don't know, like some Jamie Dimon or some Christine Lagarde or someone like that. Maybe Donald Trump, but maybe not him because I don't know. That's the thing is like these people are, Would it like, would it actually be more dangerous if they get orange pilled? Or does getting orange pilled also mean that their psychosis would heal somehow?

You would hope so, right? I mean, it certainly changed the wiring of our brains. Anybody that's really interacted with Bitcoin for any length of time certainly feels that kind of rewiring.

Definitely, but on a kind basis. Like, my brain has been fucked up, but my heart has always been kind and pure. So what does it do with somebody who, who has an evil heart and a fucked up brain? It's just like, yeah, I don't know. But yeah, I think someone like that, and now I would just like stay and make sure that it's all—

you'd be the shaman. You'd be like that. Yeah,

just in case they let you go even more crazy, so they don't.

Oh yeah, you just leave them on the on the boat and get everybody else off onto the lifeboat.

Yeah, exactly. It's yeah,

it's just I mean how far down the rabbit hole have you gone with like the Bank of International Settlements, for example, and And all of that craziness when you start looking into the central banking and how it was all devised in the first place?

Sorry, one word. I just didn't—

All of the central banking, how that was all, you know, put together in the first place back in the early 1900s. Have you gone down all of that kind of deep, dark history?

Yeah, I am. Still have a little bit left of The Bitcoin Standard, but in the beginning of the book, it already talks about all of that. And yeah, I always get like the dates confused and what exactly was what, but somehow I think I've got like a picture of kind of what is happening.

Yeah. Which you already felt intuitively.

Yeah. And I think this has been happening also already since before, right? Already, like in, in Rome it happened a few times, like similar shit. Um, so yeah, I, I guess it's, but sorry, what was your question? I am—

I just wondered how, how much you dug into like, uh, who those, because you were talking about the, the evil psychotic people that run the world. Yeah. I just wondered how far you'd, um, gone down, you know, read The Creature of Jekyll Island or The Secrets of the Federal Reserve or any of these kind of books.

Like, can we also choose people that are dead already to orange pill with that one left orange pill?

Why not? Like, you know, it's a completely hypothetical question.

Because maybe like somebody like, like Thomas Edison or even Colon, like that would have stunned people that needed to be orange pilled. But yeah, Thomas Edison, I think he fucked up a lot of what we think to be true today. Fucking bastard. He would have been a good person to orange pill. I think a lot of things would be different right now.

Do you want to elaborate on, um, on that?

Oh, well, he just stole, uh, like 150 patterns from, from Tesla in like half a year. Like the first half year that Tesla went over there, he was working for Edison and, or like the first year or something. I think the first 6 months he was working as a street worker and then the first year after that for Edison. And Edison stole like 150 patents of him and, and like he didn't invent the light bulb and shit like that. So it's like, oh, this, this part of history is totally based on a lie. Mm-hmm. Just as Just as the financing books that that they are studying, no? In the last like hundred years in in or maybe not hundred years, but yeah, in America and all these big universities there basically basically we get fed all these lies and people think that they're true. Like they think like Thomas Edison invented the light bulb. Yeah, like yeah, people need to spend money if not we get inflation. Like what what the fuck? Like who Who the hell wrote this shit? And who is so stupid to just go and believe it? Like, it just, yeah, makes me really pissed off.

Yeah.

I love Tesla. He's like, for me, like one of the greatest people that have ever existed. And I think it was so horrible what has been done to him and the way like his life ended. And you know, Edison burned down Tesla's home twice. Like his whole home, he just burned down his whole fuck, like, sidewalk. It's just, yeah.

Well, yeah, you're right. And that's why I say, you know, the, these education systems, they, uh, there's, there's not a curriculum there, there's an agenda. And that agenda is to feed you with a bunch of bullshit that has been, uh, the, the narrative has been crafted in such a way to have you believe in certain things and just be able to parrot them. Like, World War I started in 1914 because Franz Ferdinand got shot by Princip, the Black Hand, a Serbian terrorist. Yeah, just everybody recite that at the same time. Good society done. It's like, no, everybody's learning the same thing from the same pages, slightly different depending on which border, you know, in air quotes, that you are surrounded by. And we just need to be free of it because it is just an indoctrination machine.

So yeah, fuck patterns and open source everything, like Jack Mallers. And then we don't have that problem anymore.

No, we have free market open competition where things get better and cheaper at the same time. Who would've thunketh it? You know, it, it,

yeah, that, that's something we were talking about with Julian when we were walking down the market in, in Istanbul, because there is all these cheap suitcases there. Like literally every, every shop has like hundreds of fake suitcases. And I was saying like, if you use so many raw materials to produce a lot of trash that breaks after 2 days. Yeah. You even you need even more raw materials to produce that trash again. But now what happens is that the guys that are actually trying to make good suitcases, they also need to pay more for the raw materials because there is less because so much like 80% of them get used for shit crap, which if you would produce good stuff out of it, you would have to produce let's say 10% instead of 80. So you suddenly have like 70% more raw materials that would make the price go a lot lower. So you'd find, you'd have like some dude that's making a really good suitcase and it's actually not that expensive because he doesn't have to pay a liver for the raw materials that are so expensive because there's 80% being used for shit. So it's like, this is unbelievable. Yeah.

That's what fiat money does. Fiat money that gets printed into oblivion. and random subsidies to certain sectors is, it's just, there's, that is where the evil really lies.

So what Julian said is like, if you have, yeah, fiat money creates, so inflation creates cheap and loads of products. And the opposite, no, if you've got hard money, you also get less but higher quality products. So yeah, you have less rubbish basically.

Yeah. And that product will just be iterated and iterated upon by entrepreneurs in the market that see that product and know that they can make it better because there isn't a patent on it and because it's not subsidized, they can go out and compete. in the free and open market and make something better for cheaper.

And if you have to pay it out of your own pocket, then you're going to think twice about if you want to plastic wrap the food that you're selling, or maybe it's not necessary to plastic wrap it. Maybe I can just sell like tomatoes like that. Like maybe I don't need to put them on a cardboard box around plastic. Yeah. Suddenly, I think that, yeah, I, I believe it's gonna change everything. And I know, um, lots of Bitcoiners do not agree with me on that level, but I do believe that Bitcoin will solve most of these things. And the only things that Bitcoin will not solve is just, well, there is always gonna be a psychopath somewhere, and that is not, something that can be solved with Bitcoin or medicine or no, that's just like, um, a mistake in the production. No, like if you get a computer and there is a chip missing, well, the thing is just not going to work or not going to work properly. And you cannot, you cannot like reprogram it and then it works. It's like you need to have that missing part. And if it's not there, that's just it. And then I think that there is people that actually do have missing parts. So. That is something that we always will have to deal with. And, but it will be easy to recognize and it will be less.

Yes, it'll be easy. It'll be easier to recognize. And instead of that, because today in, in the way that our society has been set up, those people get elevated, you know, like the, in the classic corporate world, like the, the office psychopath all of a sudden is running the floor. You're like, huh, how did that happen? It's because they Have zero empathy and they can fire whoever they want when they want. And they have that yearn for power, so they will do anything to get it. Whereas if we, and because the fiat incentives are more money, more money, more money, that person will reach the top. Whereas you flip that on its head, we can self, you know, sort ourselves out and look, well, that guy is clearly He's not here for the thing, for whatever we are building, for the team, for the love of the product, for the love of the service. He's here to get to the top by any means necessary and trample all over everybody else. Like Edison, who you talked about before, right?

It's so nice.

With, when we flip that on its head, those incentives go away. And you self-sort and these people get shunned from society again rather than elevated.

Yes.

And this is where that, that Bitcoin does fix that. You know, if there's a problem, Bitcoin will fix

it. Yeah, totally. Totally. Oh my God, it's so nice to hear you say that. Yes, that's exactly what I believe. And it will take some time, of course, maybe even some hundreds of years, but We're on the right path.

Or maybe it just takes a decade because people wake up very, very quickly. And when they wake up, there's no going back. When your eyes are open, they're open.

Samson just tweeted this morning. He said, people do not realize how fast Bitcoin can flip. Like in a couple of days, maybe weeks, it can double or triple in price. Like people do not realize. but that is possible. And I was like, oh fuck yeah. And, and if that, if that is possible, then yeah, it is also possible that it might just take 10 years. And then, because I mean, these people are old and they are dying and the new generation is coming and—

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

And the new generation will be free because, you know, the, the stackers, the, the people that hold the Bitcoin, when we do have that, well, everybody's got a point, you know, Bitcoin's going to soar through a certain point where they can turn around and say, Oh, I don't have to work 10 hours a day anymore for this fiat lifestyle that I'm trying to, you know, just run 1,000 miles an hour to stand still. I can now step away and provide value to a Bitcoin project or start my own Bitcoin project like you with your music or whatever it is. It's just getting to that point. And so all of a sudden, every $10,000 that the price appreciates in Bitcoin, Goodness knows how many people are being freed in the Bitcoin space to walk away from their fiat job and start giving back to the ecosystem, building an app, you know, whatever, whatever it is, doesn't matter. Orange Pill app, perfect example. Mateo now is in a place where he can build Orange Pill app, bring people together. The events tab on that app now is so populated, it's incredible. There is so much going on. So yeah, remain bullish, remain hopeful. Anybody listening, Bitcoin Mermaid is here to tell you that it's going to be fine. We got this.

Yeah, totally. I totally believe if anybody can do it, then it's us and we are doing it. So I always say like Bitcoin gave me back hope, but when El Salvador adopted it, like hope, that was it. Now it's a reality. Now that's just it. There's no reason to doubt anymore.

Bitcoin is reality. There you go. New tagline.

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right. It's been great to hang out. Nice to meet you. We'll look into whether we can get across to Lugano and then we'll be able to meet in person. If not, hopefully we'll be able to meet in person at some other point. And thank you for giving Orange Pill app a whirl. I'm glad it's really helped out and you're going to meet more people. And yeah, thanks. Thank you. for coming on. Let the people know the best way to contact you and where they might be able to find you. And if you're doing any more meetups, where they can find the details for that.

Thank you so much, Daniel. I can only say the same. It was so nice to talk to you and meet you, and I'm so happy to help Orange Pill app in any way. Just let me know. I'm here. And I want one of those hats. And to contact me, yeah, over Twitter is the best way, just Bitcoin Mermaid. And yeah, you can follow me on YouTube, on SoundCloud, on Wavelake. If I do any other events in my nice little home, I will be posting them on Orange Pill app events, and there you can also contact me with my handle Solarpunk13, I think it is, on Orange Pill app. And yes, I would be very happy to get in touch with more Bitcoin musicians, obviously only Bitcoin-only musicians, and Yeah, hopefully we'll see each other soon. Okay.

Thank you so much for coming on, and yeah, we'll definitely meet in real life. Take care and have a good day.

Bye.