When asking ‘why?’ gets you fired

I'll be quiet if you really, that's really what you need.

Ask zero questions.

Actually, just actually I say that out loud and I'm like, I'd be like, what do you, you can't tell me what to do. I'd be like, what? Yeah, no, that wouldn't work.

You're listening to Autha VPN, the show where two work besties get real about working in tech. What up, Jasmine?

What's up, Allison? How you doing?

I'm doing great. I have some coffee here today. You did all the homework for this episode. I just get to show them all.

I did. Isn't it nice? I just wanna say I appreciate you for holding it down the last few weeks. It's now my turn. You brought some heat. You brought some fire the last few weeks. Thank you.

I did my best work. I'm very excited to hear what you have for me today.

So with most of our stories, we're gonna start with a software engineer. All right. So we're gonna call him Avery. Shout out to Lil A from The A. Actually, where are you from? Lil A?

Am I Big A?

You could be Big A. Yeah.

Big A, Lil A.

Okay.

Big A. The A team.

A team. Exactly. So here's the thing. Avery gets hired at this really big company. They make a ton of money and most of their revenue, like the bulk of it is around selling event tickets. So big name, global platform. This is the kind of company that's gonna show up on lists, get covered in tech media. I mean, they're moving around serious money. For this, we're gonna keep them anonymous. We're gonna call them Seat Snag.

Seat Snag.

So yeah, we'll call it Seat Snag, which is actually a lot harder saying it out loud. It looks good.

Yeah.

So Seat Snag.

I wanna say Seat Snag. Seat Snag. Okay.

So they joined Seat Snag at a senior level and they're making bank, right? So they state that their role that they got They're making about $500K a year.

Allegedly. Base salary?

That was— they didn't, they didn't get into details. Maybe it's base, maybe it's like with options or with stock. I'm not really sure, but wow.

You know, good for you, Lauren. They're making bank.

So before we get into like the job, like when you start a job, right, Allison, question for you is like you're senior level at a big company. What do you think are like the first things you do when you join a company? Like what's your kind of mindset?

My mindset is to be a sponge and talk to a bunch of people, see what I can learn and figure out how to start contributing really quickly. Figure out like, yeah, the lay of the land, but also like, okay, let's jump in. Who needs what? Where can I help? How can I like have impact here? Hit the ground running, that type of thing. I don't know. My mindset is let's go get shit done. Thanks for having me. Yeah.

Yeah. Like you said, like a sponge, right? Like that, that totally, that's, that's my thing. So you're probably gonna ask like a lot of questions.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I know nothing. Yeah.

Like your main job is asking questions and consuming. Yes. Okay. So I think we agree to that. That's, that makes sense. So Avery does this right when he joins the company. And the thing about Avery, they give us some context is they're not just someone who asks questions, but it's something they're really good at. Avery says specifically they're not the kind of engineer just to like keep their head down and code. They're someone who likes to understand the systems that they're working on. They ask questions, you know, not to be difficult or anything, but just to do their job really well. Avery literally quote says, I'm someone who likes to understand the tech stack through and throughout, like just hands down, which makes sense. So they're gonna ask a lot of questions when they start the job. And so they start asking for things like documentation around certain features or like Why was this decision made? And Avery's finding it's not really there, which is weird. You know, big company, expect more documentation, but it's not a problem. They just start following up. They start asking people questions. They say, hey, so what's driving this change? Can I see the data we used to make that call? They start asking questions like that. And then someone senior said, do you really need to know everything that's going on in the company? Yeah, Avery kind of took that and was like, something like clicked when he heard this specifically. He said the way his questions were being received just didn't seem great, like it wasn't positive. At some point it actually started to feel like his questions were like causing some friction for him, like at his job. Eventually he has like a conversation with his director, and his director actually suggests making a team switch. Um, so I'm not really sure what their original team was, but they were like, maybe things aren't working cuz you're not on the right team and maybe these skills can go elsewhere. So, you know, the director just casually floated it. It wasn't like a, you need to switch teams and just suggest like maybe there's a better fit elsewhere. So Avery, Avery takes that idea up and he is like, oh yeah, word, let's go do that. And actually ends up getting in touch with their data team. So this team is the one that manages all of the ticketing data, like just flowing through the platform. So before we keep going, like data team is like a hand wavy concept. I just, from your experience, when I say data team that has all the data flowing through the platform, like what do you think they're doing? What kind of data are they handling, would you say?

Well, I was wondering, is it like a data platform team? So they're thinking about how to ingest the data, how to transform the data, how it gets stored, that type of thing, and they're servicing other teams, like maybe other product teams at the company, or is it more of a data analytics team? Because I couldn't really tell. It could go either way potentially.

It's unclear, like what data team means. My instinct from when I was reading was more around like probably more in the analytic side.

Okay.

Like they're actually doing more, like it's not just moving data from one place to the other, but maybe there's a little bit more thoughtfulness, but it's unclear. I could be wrong. Okay. Okay.

That actually, I feel like is a perfect fit for Avery because of the question that he asked that apparently was met with some, I'm imagining eye rolls of like, where did you get the data to make that decision? Like, I, I just remember you saying that. I'm like, this seems like a really good fit if this is going to become like the sort of his job really, like working with that data and helping other people use it.

Yeah, I think that's totally right. I agree with you, like having that question, like where's this data coming from? Being curious, like how to like serve it, but also you think he's data-oriented, right? Why did you decide this so that I can also keep that in mind? He's talking to this data team, trying to see if he can get on there. And he's thinking about these things, the things that we're talking about, right? Like he's thinking about how to wrap his head around the data structures. And so he goes and he meets with the data engineer. Like one of the data engineers on that team. And during that meeting, he brought up some edge cases that he thought of when he was like wrapping his head around this stuff. And so some of the questions he asked were, is it possible for someone to sell a ticket for an event that's not actually happening at that venue? And the engineer just said that they didn't know. He noted this in his head that the engineer didn't know if you could sell tickets that kind of don't really exist or in the wrong place, basically. Yeah. And he ends up meeting with the manager of that data team and he started asking even more questions. Now he's curious after hearing this from the engineer and he says, are you using machine learning to detect fake tickets? Are you relying on agents? I think agents in the context is like what's selling the tickets. There's like third-party stuff. Got it. And what happens if someone tries to sell a ticket they don't actually have? Is that possible? Uh, and the manager, like, responds to this, and I quote, "That's the seller's responsibility. It's not necessarily on the company." Wait, wait, wait, the seller's responsibility?

Isn't the seller in this example someone who could be using a fraudulent fake ticket?

So I think that this company, from what I understand, and this is probably— maybe it's a company like stance. I don't want to speak too much about it, but this particular company does often help with the reselling of tickets. Like, a large amount of them are resells, right? What I'm getting from this is like there's some like foul play or some things happening where people could do something bad with their tickets that they're not claiming responsibility here. Okay, that's on like these two parties. Like, we're facilitating that exchange and that ain't got nothing to do with us.

So like I could be uploading fake tickets to a Taylor Swift show and be asking for $800 a pop for each ticket and somebody could buy them and the company is like, we are not liable if.

Yes, that's what I was getting.

Okay.

This, at least this is what the manager said, which I thought was interesting because it's like, it is interesting, you know, maybe that's the company policy and what they say, but it's a weird question where they should probably still wanna protect their customers. That's a little weird, was my, my impression.

I was just thinking that because as a buyer or as someone who's trying to find resale tickets, if that is not part of their policy, I don't trust this platform. Just like point blank, why would I trust this platform? So that— yeah, totally agree. That seems like a weird policy to have.

Let's see if I could actually find the— so there is allegedly a like guarantee that's supposed to protect buyers from things like fake tickets. This is on their policy site.

Okay.

Yeah, they have like a guarantee and that you get your money back if things aren't right. Like, I'm sure like they won't be legally liable, but they do have some in place to help protect buyers that they continue to come back to this platform. Let's note this. Fast forward not too long into the future, but like pretty quickly something happens and Avery is in an all-hands meeting.

Okay, so, oh my gosh, people, I love when these stories go to all hands. You always know there's something good gonna happen.

Yeah, no, no, I'm not gonna lie, things start popping off. The story is gonna kind of like escalate from here.

All right, yeah, I'm locking in, locking in.

So Avery's in, in all hands, and apparently employees like start voicing concerns about some comments they're seeing on the internet. They're saying on Reddit, they're saying it everywhere. And not like just one or two, but there's a pattern, like there's a big pattern happening. So customers are saying that they bought tickets, they booked flights, hotels, whatever. Apparently they could do that at this company. I didn't even know. But the transfer just never happened. Like the thing, like just something's happening. They were handed like replacements, but they weren't even comparable. So I think this is like the policy of, hey, like you get a— if something goes wrong, here's like a comparable thing. And they didn't get what they paid for. So people are like pissed on the internet, right? And Avery specifically says, I've seen those posts. And he said, I just wanted to understand how the company was protecting consumers. And these were not small complaints. People out here getting burned. A few days after that conversation that he brings up these questions with the data manager, Avery gets let go. He gets fired.

I knew, I knew, I knew it. I knew this is where this was going. No, not that level of retaliation. Are you kidding me? Wait, do we know how long Avery had been at this company at this point?

I wasn't able to find that. I'm sure if I'd really dug in, I could find something. Um, but I was under the impression it wasn't for super, super long.

Oh my gosh. This is also just like, I don't know, part of me, I mean, it's heartbreaking, obviously for so many reasons. You're telling this in like a true crime style, so I'm like eating that part up. But obviously this is really sad and shitty, and it just like makes me so sad for Avery, who is just this like really curious human being and software engineer and chose to go into a career that is just built off of curiosity. And then this happens. Oh, I knew it. I'm pissed. Okay, keep going.

It is crazy. And like I said before, I did do some digging and around this timeline that the firing happened roughly, 'cause I assuming that the post that I saw was at that time, as they said it was today, I could find at least just without trying, I found like 4 different big headlines for this company. Funny you said Taylor Swift, there was like a, like legit cybercrime that occurred with 900 of these tickets were falsely sold. They were stolen and then resold. So that made like frontline news. And I think this is probably like a month after this event happened, maybe 2 months after this firing, which I think is really interesting timeline-wise. There's also some woman like ends up suing the company because she bought tickets for a play, like a very big play, and she was denied a refund even though that guarantee I told you, just like they were fake. And like she, she's suing them because she didn't get like a good refund from the guarantee. This is all within a few months of each other around. And I think it's like around the time of the firing. Yeah, I think they got also like fake tickets sold to them. They didn't have real seats, like several seats. There was even another like fourth thing that I found here where someone actually purchased tickets and then they arrived at the venue with the tickets and they were denied entry. So this also happened. So I don't know if they were like false tickets and they, when they arrived at it. And the thing about this type of stuff, right? So these are making like headlines, some of them. Not all of them. Some of them are just like in comments somewhere of like people with bad experiences, but crazy, right?

I imagine from the tours and the shows and all of the things that are already getting a lot of press, especially like national or global tours, like those are the ones that are going to make headlines when there's a lot of people who are getting screwed over. Oh my gosh, that's wild.

Crazy. Yeah, I think the big one was like the big cyber crime. That one was like 900. I can't tell you how related it is to exactly what Avery saw, but there is a lot of correlation. So I wasn't there, and I don't want to like claim that they didn't know or anything like that. That's like a legal thing, that's them.

But we don't have any lawyers on this call. Interesting.

It is very— it's very interesting what had happened here. So we're gonna go back to Avery. Okay, so now we know all of this. This is like just some context that like Avery has some backing here that there was something wrong. I just want to like clarify whether or not he went about it the right way. We don't know, I won't say, but he has some stuff here. So go back, so Avery gets fired and the reason they tell him that he got fired is that they were questioning the culture and had expressed interest in switching teams. And so because of those things, Avery is fired.

I'd be like, first of all, I'm asking questions to help me do my job. And second of all, where's that director at who told me I should switch teams? It's not a bad idea to consider it. So I'm dragging that person in with me.

I don't even think Avery had a chance to like, oh yeah, no, definitely not. He specifically said that he didn't argue. He's just like, yeah, okay.

Okay.

And what I do think a funny thing about Avery, like, funny thing here is he's like, all I was doing was like waving goodbye to the people on the call, basically, like after this call. And he's like, I already knew what this was. And he said what the company didn't know is that Avery already had multiple offers lined up. Like, he was hip. This is what he alleges. He was already like— and he said, literally right after I logged off, grabbed some lunch, and he said, and I quote, I'm going to treat myself to something nice, maybe something on Fifth Avenue or Madison.

Amazing.

Avery doesn't care. He's no regrets. I mean, clearly he can earn $500K. This man has— this man's clearly financially fine. He's confident that he'll find something and he's Gucci. He's like, that's that. Like, what?

So happy for him. Yeah.

But here's the thing, the story does not end there.

No, no, no, it needed to stop.

We needed to end there. What? No, no, no, no. Okay, so, so after this, the firing happens and stuff. So a lot of the story I said to you, I found because Avery took all the story to social media.

Oh, shit.

Right? Like his face, his stuff. He said, this company, Seat Snag, they fired me today. Da da da da. He was being very openly critical. He said things like, I can't work somewhere where there's zero transparency into how the decisions are being made. I wanna work somewhere where the management treats people with respect. I wanna work somewhere where I can see how the data-driven decisions were being made. I wanna work somewhere that has a more modern technology stack. That had nothing to do with anything. I think he was just trying to make a dig at the company. He said, I don't wanna get stonewalled. And he said, if a company has bad reviews, believe them. So he is publicly coming for Seat Snag. Yeah, but here's the thing. Avery's story goes viral. He goes viral, right?

Oh my gosh.

Viral has different senses, but there's a lot of engagement on his stuff. Uh, he gets a ton of responses. So before we get into that, like, what do you think people are saying about the story?

Oh. They are 1,000% siding with Avery, and they are 1,000% like, "Ev's seat snag, like, they can go to hell, big corporation, blah blah blah blah blah." I can totally— I was on it. No, I wasn't. Oh, I could see it now. That's my guess.

I mean, that's what I would think, right?

Is it the opposite?

What?

What's happening?

What is happening?

Okay, well, here's the thing.

Here's the thing.

I didn't read what Avery said.

Yes.

So I could see that there's room for, like, the opposite, depending on how—

Well, what do you think someone would challenge for him? What do you think they would say?

I do think there is always, like, there's the disgruntled employee who just got let go, and they're going to say, whatever they need to make them feel better. That's not always the case. I'm not saying that, but I do think there, there are some people who just make shit up to try and make their prior employer look bad. That's a very, very real thing. And none of it ends up being true. Obviously in this case, because there's headlines, right? There's some data, there's customer reviews that are bad. Like this isn't— some people are probably Taking it with a grain of salt, but also understanding, yeah, there's some stuff out there that's actually like being reported on. But I could see that some people would knock Avery a little bit for just being like, yeah, I don't know, this just seems like you're pissed off because of what happened to you.

That's definitely something like people get invalidated on the internet. And once you put something out there, you're succumb to all sorts of opinions. There is like mixed debate. There's people who get it and there's people who aren't. So when he posts this, right, it's under the guise of, I just got fired from my $500K software engineer job, whatever. It happened because I asked too many questions, and then it explodes. He's like, I, I was just trying to do the right thing, and then it explodes. Someone finds him, starts stitching him. Response to this guy's story, um, do you want to name— do you want to name this influencer?

I don't know why I, I saw a name that starts with a D in my head. I have no idea why. So you take it from there.

What do you got? We'll call him Diesel.

Diesel.

Oh, we'll call him Diesel. Okay, okay, Diesel. Okay, Diesel, right? So quote, you wanted to be a hero at Seat Snag. Why did you create a vigilante persona? Basically he's like, you just wanted clout. And Avery's tight. Avery starts stitching him back, but he gets into this entirely like philosophical, political, like presenting like these moral implications there, being like, you're just sitting there and doing your job. This is why the world is this way type of stuff. Not to sacrifice your morals or your integrity, like your principles for bag. It stops there as far as like this battle back and forth. It's possible it could turn up again. I don't think so, but because there was some taunting at the end, like, you didn't even tag me, you talking all on him, talking about me, like stuff. Like, the audience was mixed. I thought it was really interesting because I thought it was just like this random guy, but a lot of people sided with that influencer, but a lot of people also sided with Avery. So to name like a couple things, the one that I thought was the funniest is because Avery's going on these like really long rants I won't lie, like I did think this was funny. Said, imagine this guy's on your team and you ask him to fix a bug and he gives you the speech.

That's really funny.

That I thought was funny. I think this person was like the point in just making a joke, but I thought it was really funny. Yeah. Like the way he was like, man, I'm just trying to do my job. Why are you talking about moral implications of this stuff? Like I thought it was, I thought it was funny. We also got like this. We are really getting to a place where capitalism has rotted our brains and ethics and moral compass barely exists. It's not just a job or money, it's bigger. Like some people are like, agree with Avery. Then there's other people like, this guy's on some hero type of time, like $500K a year and I'll lock my mouth up and throw away the keys. I don't care. I'll be quiet.

Right?

Like, why are you doing this? Like you got the bag, shut up. Some people are saying what you said, like asking questions is literally part of the job. Like you did the right thing. Don't mind this guy that's like coming for you. Some people I thought was interesting. They said, I understand both sides. This is what not having a scarcity mindset looks like. So because there's so much security, you can do these things. It says you're able to turn down amazing salaries based on principle because another high salary is easy to get. So I did think that was really interesting as like a point of, what do they call that? Like a privilege. Like he has some sense of privilege here because of like where he's in his field, where he has money probably saved up. And I think this is really interesting because I think a lot of people, not even just in tech, but definitely in tech, are faced with moral dilemmas and we're like, we're taught like in school, for example, like this stuff.

Yeah. But they can't do anything about it because they're stuck. Yeah. The second that you said he opened his sort of online bashing of SeatSnag with, I got fired today. I was making $500K a year. I was like, oh yeah. That's immediately the thing that came to my mind is just like, there are gonna be a lot of people, the majority of people, most people looking at that and saying, wow, must be nice. Like, I could never do that.

Yeah. Yeah. I think he, he missed the message there by including that. But I think when you're in industry, like, it's unsurprising that you're faced with like things that are bigger than you, like powers that just be, especially when you're in a major corporation. I haven't worked at one in this way, but I can imagine like even just in our small company, not in a moral ethical way, but there are just some things that are just bigger than you cannot change individually. You can do things as an individual, but with some company like this, like you really become a cog, a number, a single engineer, and it's like, just do the thing and stop.

The interesting thing too is that I imagine there's probably a lot of people like Avery at this company who probably feel like cogs in the wheel, but they have similar ideas and thoughts and they're just like, yeah, I don't know, what can I really do about it? This is just how the way things are. It's just interesting cuz like, I know he's not alone, but at the end of the day, not a lot of people can do what he did. Essentially, they don't have that security. And so it's just, ugh, it's tough. I would've loved to have a fireside chat with Avery, the CEO of this company, to just hear it from the person who's running things. But yeah, corporate America is corporate America at the end of the day.

I don't think Avery was pushed out with the concept of we're trying to hide this thing and we're actually trying not to. I don't think that's, from my impression or my best guess, I don't think that's what it is. I think there was a culture here. That did not celebrate this or find a way to use this in some way. And maybe Avery didn't. Let's— maybe we'll give it room. Maybe Avery could have been better about how he brought these things up. I'm not trying to pick any side here. Let's say that he did all the right things and whatever, and like it was pushed out, like, because of this, like, culture thing. I think it really highlights how engineering culture and, like, how we build software really can influence because the company was probably— that's not a good thing. Like bad marketing. I don't know what their shares came down or I don't know it like what the financial impact of these things are. You have people suing you in the news. That's not good. Yeah. Competitors are going to eat that up. I bet they threw out marketing stuff like, we are guarantees actually work. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like this wasn't good for Avery. This wasn't good for the business. So like, I think that showing like that responsibility of having a healthy team culture, some people think it's, oh, this is just like some soft, oh, it's just about being like, everybody's happy in engineering. But actually I think like that health is like what brings diversity of thought and helps protect the business. I think bringing those ideas and thoughtfulness in and like encouraging that and putting it in the right place is so important as like an engineering leader. Because this type of stuff can happen. Or there was stuff going on, they're like, this is not the time, we know. I don't actually know, like maybe they were on some weird evil corporation type of time, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna assume that's not what was happening.

I agree with you. I feel like it probably wasn't that because even like the detail from Avery trying to ask questions to his teammates, I'm like, they're not all in some huge conspiracy coverup thing about how this company's actually like stealing money from consumers. That's not like the data engineer isn't part of the CEO's master plan, right? I totally agree with you. I think it's probably just more of a cultural thing, but you're absolutely right. It's things like this where you want people asking those questions cuz it's almost like you're doing your own like business, like threat risk, I guess, by trying to like think about it from all angles. And this is not so much engineering, probably more of a product thing, like the Facebook like button and how a lot of data has shown that since the creation of obviously social media, but like specifically likes and how attached human beings and especially teenagers have become to receiving likes as like validation for themselves and their own mental health. If there was someone in that room that was like, hey, this is actually a really bad idea and we shouldn't do this. We shouldn't have numbers associated with a thumbs up for people. I always wonder if there was ever that sort of discourse or if it was just like unanimous, let's ship it, let's do it. And it's just like, look at the impact that has had.

I mean, maybe there was, but they got fired.

Plot twist, Avery was in that room.

Oh, oh, yeah.

But yeah, there's so many good reasons why you almost want to keep— and I'm not, I don't mean to call Avery annoying, but I will for the sake of this argument— the annoying people around who are like asking all these questions and you just want to be like, shut up, I just want to do my job. But also, are they raising a really good point? Are they making you think about something differently than you previously saw it as? I don't know. Hmm. You can choose to see that as an asset or something that's annoying that you want to just get rid of. But at the end of the day, you're right. Like, it did damage to everybody.

Who knows? Maybe they were already knew about this stuff. Raise it before this stuff happened. Or maybe it was already like, I have no idea. But like, from Avery's perspective and the way he shared it, it just, it's crazy. It's unfortunate. It seems like he's doing all right. So I think that's why I'm like, eh, like, he'll be okay. Yeah. But I do have follow-ups. I did look into his stuff and he did get hired somewhere else. I don't know where, but, um, okay. It was actually funny because he did it in a taunting way where he was like, oh, I got fired from my another job. And you're right. Like, I just, I really should stop asking questions. And he's like, psych, I'm doing great. Like, I was like, this guy, who is this guy? I thought it was really funny cuz I was like writing like the, what was ha— what happened to him. And when he put it out, I was like, come on, Avery. Like, come on. Like, really? You know?

Um, Avery, Avery can do that. Yeah. But see, that's the interesting thing is like, I don't know if Avery's new company knows about all of this drama, or maybe they do and they're like, we like people who ask questions here. But it's just like someone else's loss is another's gain. Yeah.

Wow. I don't think SeatSnag, I don't think that they would, it would be a good idea for them to respond because it would probably bring more attention to this and it's, I'm sure it's dying down and things like that. Also sounds like they have bigger problems like lawsuits to deal with. I'm sure this one engineer is the least of their problems, at least for now. Who knows? Avery might write a tell-all book about his time at SeatSnag.

I was wondering if you were gonna say that Avery is being sued.

No, that would be interesting.

I, for some reason, that popped in.

I mean, maybe if he signed like an NDA or something, I don't know. Yeah, well, I—

when you said it went viral, like whistleblowing or something, maybe.

I don't know. I don't know.

I think technically— oh my gosh, I love when we end up talking about law on this show like we know what we're talking about.

We need a lawyer on speed dial. You have any lawyer friends? You should just start calling them in the middle of the podcast.

I do, actually. Honestly.

Really?

Yeah. Everyone practices different kinds of law. But yeah, like technically I think you could sue someone for slander or I don't know. Somebody let us know.

Actually, I think it would hurt them. I think it would hurt them more though. 'Cause then it would put him from being like a little blurb of a small little viral moment to like to being like massively viral, right? Like I think they definitely have more of a following and things like that. I haven't looked into this company's thing, but I'm sure if they commented on something that can get attention.

And then does it raise more questions if it's this gigantic company is suing this like one single employee? Like why, why are we so pissed? Why are we so pissed?

Yeah, I don't think at all.

Is there some truth there? Um, yeah. Wow. Okay.

Yeah. But yeah, that's where we end the story. I just wanna say, just to close things off, Seat Snag, if you wanna hit me up, pay me $500K a year, I'll be quiet if you really, if you, that's really what you need. Honestly, I will not even look at my screen while I work. If you want, I'll just, I'll look the other way.

Ask zero questions.

Yeah. Actually, just actually, I say that out loud and I'm like, I'd be like, what do you, you can't tell me what to do. I wouldn't last 2 seconds. There, I'd be like, what? Yeah, no, that wouldn't work. No, no, I would not last a moment in that company.

Money isn't everything.

Oh, but it'd be so hard. That's a nice check, I'm not gonna lie. I'm like, if I just shut up and I just lock in for like a year, you know what I can do with that? Like, come on. I'm like, yeah. But to put my ethics aside, I don't know if I could do it.

No, listen, I said at the beginning of this episode, me and Avery, the A-team, I'm sticking with Avery. I'm seat snag. I don't want an offer. Stay outta my, stay off my LinkedIn.

You're on a yacht and you know, just, I wish I could put my ethics aside. It's almost unfortunate cuz it would be great. I wish I had that ability. But it's unfortunately, I, it was not bestowed upon me.

Yeah. And it would be great for me because then I'd have a friend with a yacht. So like, yeah, yeah, we're really missing out.

Don't ask me any questions about what happened to your tickets. Don't ask me anything.

I don't know.

All I do is move data from one part to the other and I don't, I don't think about the data. It's just No business outcomes. I just code in my hole, you waterfile style.

All right, well, on that note, should we go and not do any of that at our actual jobs?

I'm gonna go. All right, see you, Allison.

All right, see ya.

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