What is the Purpose of Clinical Rotations?
16 Sept 2026 · 33 min
In this episode of Generations MD, medical student host Stephanie chats with her mother, Dr. Sarah Davis, about the purpose and evolution of third‑ and fourth‑year clinical rotations. The conversation weaves personal anecdotes—from a childhood bike accident to a teenage job at Carl’s Jr.—into a broader discussion of how rotations have changed over the decades (longer blocks, night calls, in‑person grading versus today’s shorter, more book‑focused, pass/fail formats). They debate whether rotations exist primarily for exposure to specialties, for competency assessment, or both, and how early career decisions, research pressure, and residency competitiveness shape the experience. The duo also examines the economics of specialty supply‑and‑demand, the impact of standardized tests versus subjective evaluations, and the historical shift from a single‑year internship to the modern, highly specialized residency system. Throughout, they balance humor, nostalgia, and critical reflection on the current medical education landscape.
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And I said, "Go to hell!" And then I peeled out of the parking lot in my 1983 Nissan Sentra. You told that.
Hi everybody, and welcome to the podcast. This is Generations MD. My name is Stephanie, and I'm joined here by my colleague, Dr. Sarah Davis, who's also my mother.
Glad to have you here.
Glad to have you here. I've been. Spending some time in the emergency department, uh, this morning.
Hopefully not as patient.
Hopefully not as a patient. You would assume, right? When like a med student or doctor says that. And I, when I was driving home and I, I was thinking about this, and I don't know if I've ever said this story on the podcast, but I remember one time I, when I was a kid, I was in probably like 4th grade or something, and you guys weren't No one came to pick me up from school. Like, and normally you guys were always— I was like the first one to leave every single time because like you were just there and we had to bike home. And it was like you didn't have to wait in the carpool line because you're on bikes. So, so like, you know, I would just, you know, normally it was Dad. I would just see Dad and then walk outside and get on my bike. But then—
Take off.
Yeah, exactly. So, but then this time They're like, oh, like, uh, sorry, your parents can't come to pick you up. Like, they're in the hospital. And I was like, oh, okay. Like, they're in the hospital.
You thought we were working.
Yeah, I know. And I remember the teacher saying to me, like, sitting me down and being like, they're in, you know, they're in the hospital. Like, I don't know exactly what's happening. And I was like, no, they're working.
What do you mean?
Like, it's fine. And then it turns out this is when you got in that bad bike accident. Mm-hmm. And you were. I don't remember exactly what happened, but then, but then you guys did eventually come to get me and you're like, and I was just like, hey, what's up? And like, then I was filled in that you were actually in the hospital. So I'm glad I didn't really know though.
I know, it's probably better. And honestly, I wasn't in the hospital. Right?
Why did somebody tell me that?
Why would they do that? I just scraped up my hands really badly. And so I went to the health center where Uncle Pete worked, just because we'd be able to kind of get in there and get supplies. I just had to get the wound cleaned out. It wasn't even like— we weren't even stitching anything up, or like, it wasn't— I certainly was not in the hospital.
I remember them saying that you were in the hospital.
Why? Why would they do that? You know, although probably Dad called, and that might have been what Dad said. You know, sometimes Dad has a flair for the dramatic.
Right, right. He's like, uh, sorry, uh, we can't come for pickup.
She—
my wife's, uh, just in the hospital.
Yeah, she got into a bad bike accident and she's in the hospital. Yeah, that's— yeah, but see, okay, that stands out that that's like the only time that we didn't come to get you, right?
Oh yeah, no, for sure.
What great parents we are.
No, I know. Sometimes like I wanted to go to after-school care or whatever because Yeah, we will not have other people taking care of you. Well, yeah.
Okay, so, but one other story about, uh, elementary school is we ran into your 8th grade teacher.
Oh yeah.
Over the weekend. And, um, I'm not gonna lie, I think when we said that you were in med school, he looked a little surprised. Oh my God.
How would—
like, he didn't even—
you think he even remembered who I was?
Yeah, yeah, he did. No way. He was a strict teacher, okay?
He was a strict teacher, and I did SparkNotes every single book that, um, was tested on that year. I did not read a single one. Of Mice and Men, still never read it.
Okay, okay. Yeah. Kind of wondering why he was shocked that you're—
No, I definitively remember I was trying to read the books, but like you had to read so much every night and we had a quiz like every day or something and I just couldn't keep up. And when I tried to actually read them and then I would get, do terrible on the quizzes. And then once I started SparkNoting, then I would do really good on the quizzes. And I was like, well, screw the actual reading. I'm just going to do SparkNotes. Anyway, I would never survive as an 8th grader now with ChatGPT. Like, I would not be like— I would just be coasting through all of those things, honestly.
Yeah, yeah. He was a strict teacher. He had things together though.
Uh, he did have things together. Like, looking back, he was a good— he was, he was a good teacher.
But yeah, that was, uh, that was kind of funny. We just, we told him what, what both you and your brother were doing, and he, you know, I mean, he said he seemed cool about it, but I think there was a, a look of surprise flashed over his face briefly.
My gosh, you're acting like I was a terrible kid.
No, no, just, you know, I persevered. Well, I always wanted to go back to, uh, Carl's Jr. and, uh, curse those people out. Um, for those who don't know, my mom got fired from Carl's Jr.
in high school, college, what was it?
I was in high school. Yes, it was my very first job. I didn't get fired, I quit. I was probably about to get fired. Yeah. What? I was gonna get written up, uh, for the second time, and it was gonna go in my permanent record. And that's when I just said, whatever happens, get out of here. And I said, go to hell. And then I peeled out of the parking lot in my 1983 Nissan Sentra.
And you told them?
I told them.
We can get all our listeners on the Carl's Jr. band though. Um, you know, yeah, yeah.
Carl's Jr. boycott has not really taken off, uh, it's, you know, with the N of one, but yeah. Um, yeah.
No, that was also another— when I was a kid, the Carl's Jr. boycott, I remember we were on a road trip with dad one time and like the only place we could stop was Carl's Jr. And he was like, you guys just like need to get some food. And we were like, how could we go behind mom's back like this and do this to her? Like, I can't do it. Like, I'm not eating Carl's Jr. I'm not gonna do it. And he was like, guys, it's fine. Like, you just need to get some food. And we were like, we were like, oh, like, I felt very guilty about that.
I'm glad you took it so seriously. I probably would have gotten some myself. Yeah, that's, uh, yeah. And then as you got older and you kind of heard the whole story, you're like, I'm not sure that Carl's Jr. was totally to blame.
Yeah, yeah. So just know, if you're getting fired from your job right now, Or if your, if your kid's having issues in 2nd grade. Like, it doesn't— no correlation to them being a doctor or not.
Right.
I cannot speak on behalf of other sorts of success, but I can— but, you know, here we go. N of 2.
Yeah, that's right. Okay, well, I, I have a philosophical question.
Oh God, okay.
Well, what is the purpose Of the rotations, 3rd and 4th year of medical school.
That's an interesting point that you bring up, actually, and something that was on the tip of my tongue that I was about to talk about. And, and that was the rotation that I'm on now, which is my emergency medicine ultrasound, which is an elective. And we are not required to do emergency medicine, but many schools are required to do emergency medicine. Um, rotation. So it's just kind of interesting seeing like, okay, do— and I was thinking about, okay, should— cuz before I'm like, why don't we do emergency medicine instead of emergency medicine? We do neurology, which—
Those are not the same thing at all.
Right, right. And at first I'm like, that doesn't make sense. Like neuro seems really random. Why are we doing that? And like emergency medicine, a lot of people do end up doing that. So like, why don't we get that exposure? But. Now that I'm on this elective, I don't think that it's a necessary rotation for, um, medical school. I think neurology is a better use because it's so different and like having that exposure to a different specialty rather than emergency medicine, I think can help tailor people's career decisions better.
Mm-hmm.
Because on other rotations too, you spend a lot of time in the emergency department.
Mm-hmm.
Like you do get a lot of exposure to it. You're there a lot. I mean, and I run into people in the emergency department all the time. That's where I see all my friends. It's like everyone is in the ED, you know, you go, you're either consults or like you're taking admits. So you get enough exposure to emergency medicine that I don't think it should be a required rotation. Um, versus neurology, I don't ever, I don't even know what they do. So like, I mean. You know, I, I like have an idea, but it's, it's something that is, it's something that you have to apply to. It's not a fellowship thing. So it's something you have to apply to right out of, um, because you could say the same thing with like GI or cardiology or whatever, but right. You, you're not applying to that straight out of medical school. So, um, that doesn't make sense for it to be required. Uh, so I think that, um, Having that, having neurology, I, I don't know, I haven't done my neuro rotation yet, but I think that that is— it makes more sense to have something that is different that you're being exposed to if the purpose is exposure to different specialties.
Right. So that's the question: is the purpose of rotations 3rd and 4th year to learn about the different specialties so that you can decide what you want to do, or is the purpose to just see what those different specialties are like to learn about them no matter what specialty you're going into. Like, if you want to be an internal medicine doctor, is it important to have done a surgery rotation so that you can understand the mind of a surgeon a little bit better, um, or just understand more what goes on in surgery? Um, I don't know. I don't— I mean, or maybe it's both of those things.
Or is it competency? Like, in order to get your medical degree, You have to pass these rotations. You have to understand all this stuff. So like, you have— so I guess you do, in order to get this medical degree, you have to have some form of knowledge of all of these specialties, right?
But I don't know, I, I have always thought that it was to just get exposure to different things so that you can decide what kind of doctor you want to be, but Really, after talking with your friends a lot and just the way that things have kind of changed in medicine, I feel like, you know, for so many people, they have to decide this so early in order to get the research that they want in that specialty and other things that I feel like, you know, I mean, you guys are barely into your 3rd year and a lot of your friends are already like, oh yeah, you know, I know what I want to do. I guess there's still the opportunity that that might change. But, but again, for a lot of the things, I feel like you have to— you just have to already have, you know, done a lot in that specialty, been really interested in it from long before you ever even start your 3rd year.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like you could say the same thing for your major in college, right? Like, the idea is you pick a major and, you know, maybe I, I wanna I'm thinking about being an engineer, and then I start taking these engineering classes, then I'm like, oh, this is not— I'm not really vibing with this. Okay, well, maybe I want to go be a doctor, but I'm already in my— at the end of my sophomore year, and I already did all these engineering classes. I can't really like pivot to the— to a whole nother thing.
True, true. I think there's some majors that you can, uh, kind of, I don't know, come back to, come down to. I don't want to say down, but like some majors are—
Right, like if you wanted to do civil engineering originally and then you switched and now you to do like software engineering, some of those early classes were still similar. There's stuff like that. Yeah. But not totally like, then you want to be an English major.
Yeah.
It's even if, yeah, even if it's like, okay, or I was a psych major, so I can, I'll, I'll take on the psych major stuff. Like even switching into being a psych major, it's like, yeah, you could like from an engineering major, it's like you could do it, but still, then you still have to take all these other classes that you didn't take before.
Right, right. And they don't— yeah, you can't count one for the other. So yeah, that's good. That's a good analogy. And that, that was true, even, you know, even when I was in college as well. So, but yeah, I don't know. I mean, what's so crazy is that when— like, Dad talks about this all the time because he's an internal medicine doctor and he works with lots of surgeons and A lot of these surgeons do not remember like one single thing about medicine. Like, and, and we're all like, you know, they took all of those tests, they learned all of that stuff, and it is nowhere in their brain at this point.
Well, what about surgery? Do you remember stuff about surgery?
Well, okay, so that's a good point too. It— in the beginning of when I was First, like, um, when I'd first become a doctor, it was helpful because we also did surgery rotations in family medicine during residency. So I had my surgery rotations in med school and in residency. But the— so it was helpful to know, you know, when you're sending your patient for, you know, a cholecystectomy to have their gallbladder out, and you know what happens during that surgery, and you know kind of what the recovery is, it's helpful because before they even see the surgeon, I can give them some— Information about it. So that was true for a while about some stuff, but, you know, a lot of that does change over time. And so sometimes I'm like, okay, I'm not really sure what the recovery is for some of these surgeries now. I still have a pretty good idea of, you know, at least what goes on. And so I think that's a little bit helpful, but I don't know. I, I'm not sure if, like, It's like you kind of think about it, like in residency it does make sense because I was learning surgery as a family medicine doctor for being a family medicine doctor.
Mm-hmm.
Whereas in med school, like when you're doing your surgery rotation, you are working with the surgeons. You're looking at everything through the eyes of the surgeon, which is good if you think you want to go into surgery. It's good to kind of live that life for a little while. But if you know, A week in that you don't wanna do that. It seems to me it would be nicer if you could approach that more from being whatever specialty you wanna be and what, what that looks like, what you need to know about surgery from that perspective.
But you will learn that on that rotation, you know, like I think the purpose, I do think that you should, there is a purpose in doing all of these rotations to understand what goes into, yeah, doing the different types of surgery. What people do when you're— yeah, when you're talking to an OB-GYN, like when you're— I don't know, I think it is important to understand—
Some stuff of what's going on with patients.
Some stuff of what's going on. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Even if you think—
Or like then at that point, then it's like, okay, then they shouldn't go to medical school, they should go to orthopedic surgery school. Like, you know?
Well, yeah. And a good analogy for that is being a podiatrist, right? So they just— they don't go to medical school, they go to podiatry school and they just Learn stuff about the feet, and I have no idea really what goes on. I know that they learn a fair amount of underlying stuff, but it's only 4 years from the beginning until you're practicing rather than going through and doing all of medical school and then doing a whole residency. And so I don't know, I'm not sure. And I guess they just knew that they wanted to only focus on the feet.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Um, but yeah. Okay. So does that hinder them in their practice that they didn't go all the way through medical school? I don't know. I mean, I think you could argue it maybe yes, maybe no.
I don't know. And yeah, when you get so subspecialized to certain things, then it's like, okay, do you really need to have gone to medical school for all of that? I do think that it all— I, I think because you're working with all these people and And it does help your learning a lot.
If you—
I do think it makes sense if you're gonna get this MD or DO, right? By the end of it, you need to have some— you need to have an understanding of the main specialties, which highlights the understanding of all these different body systems and stuff.
Yeah.
And I think rotations is the way that you do that.
Yeah, well, in this—
How did it start? Like, why did they start doing— like, how did they—
Right, so, and that's what you kind of go back to, like, okay, what's the history? I don't know all the history, but, um, I will say that's a difference that I've noticed between the rotations that we did and the rotations that you guys do, which may be, you know, some of that may be school-specific, but our rotations were longer and we spent more hours on those rotations. So our surgery rotation was 3 months, yours is 2. Our medicine rotation was 3 months, yours is 2. Um, and we did take, you know, like in surgery, every 3rd night call. Um, so you were there all day, all night, all the next day. I'm not saying that that was good.
No. Yeah. But also you guys didn't have to take these tests.
Well, but that's what I'm getting at. So what has happened is it shifted. So it's more book learning and less in the hospital. Which I'm not sure is like that great either. I think it's fine to have those things shortened down if we're saying like, okay, if the purpose is just to kind of be aware, to have some general knowledge of internal medicine, I think 2 months is fine. I don't think you needed to do 3 months, and I don't think you need to have all of that call in there as well. But it seems like that's sort of— that's kind of sorting the shift. The— and so, because I just kind of think about like the number of hours that we spent like on our internal medicine rotation versus the number of hours that you guys are spending, you're spending probably, I want to say like 20 to 25% of the time that we spent doing that. Now you're spending that other time studying. I'm not saying you're wasting time. I'm not saying it was harder than what we did, but it definitely has cut down The amount of time that you guys spend on these various rotations doing these things, which may, you know, and maybe that makes sense, and maybe that is what people are looking at is like, okay, how much time do you really need to spend doing that if that's not what you're gonna be doing? And if it is what you're gonna be doing, you're gonna spend a whole bunch more time doing that in residency and later on.
I definitely, I don't, I think a couple of things. One, I think there is a point to— I remember talking to the surgery people about this, and as toxic as this sounds, I do think that there is a point in, in spending the amount of hours in a hospital that you will spend in residency to have a more full understanding about what the specialty does before you decide that you wanna do it.
I agree.
And I mean, 4th year when you do your sub-I, that's essentially like what you're trying to do. But at that point you've already committed that you're gonna do this, this specialty. But so like, I do think there is a purpose in kind of that. I don't know if like you need to do, you know, 3 months of it. I feel like being able to get, I still think that you can, I think a shorter amount of time doing the rotations is probably fine and gives you enough exposure to decide if you wanna do this or not. But I do think like, you know, trying to spend as much time as you can there and work like you would be working gives you more of an idea of what it's actually gonna be like.
Yeah.
On the other hand, just about like the studying and the tests and kind of that, I remember I posted a video about this and, and I said something like, you know, it doesn't really make sense like that you're not spending as much time in the hospital, you're just learning. And then an argument was made, well, there needs to be some sort of standardization of these medical schools because I mean, even from rotation to rotation and, or rotation site to rotation site, like I would be on the same rotation as my friend. Like we're both on internal medicine and I am having a completely different experience.
I'm.
You know, I'm only seeing, um, like, I don't know, I'm only seeing heart failure patients and that is all I'm seeing. And then my friend is only seeing cirrhosis patients and it's just urosepsis or something like, and I don't get exposure to any of those pathologies, then how am I? And I guess for some reason I'm expected to know all the pathologies and all of the things in that specific specialty, and that's why the tests, so it's kind of standardized.
Yeah, and we did, we had tests at the end of our rotation, and we had Boards Part 2 that had all of that in there. I just think some of that was not quite as emphasized. It wasn't as big a part of your grade on rotations. And the other point to that is that if you are getting graded just by, if your whole grade in internal medicine or surgery, whatever it is, is based on your evaluations, that can be really tough. You know, those are very biased in very— in different ways, and it depends on your experience. You know, some people give out really good evaluations, some people don't. So I think that that's the— I mean, that's the reason for having those tests in there is now you've leveled the playing field so that everybody has as much chance to do well on this test. So, you know, I'm not— I'm not totally— I'm not criticizing it. I'm just wondering about it. Especially because, you know, just as AI and all of this other stuff comes in there, you just don't have to have all of this knowledge all in your head all the time.
Yeah. And I do— I mean, a lot of schools are switching to pass/fail even for rotations. That's been slower. A lot of schools are pass/fail first and second year, and then they still have graded system for third and fourth year. But now a lot of schools are just switching to totally pass/fail. So, which I think is fair because it's like, okay, you need to pass the test, you need to know enough, you need to, you know, that's the standardization, right, of all of it. And then plus you need to be able to, you know, you still need to be evaluated by the people that you're working with. And then, um, you can still have comments that residencies can read, uh, that.
Mm-hmm.
You know, kind of show, did you stand out, did you not, sort of thing.
Right, right.
Which I think makes it fair.
It does. The downside of that though is that for competitive specialties, what are they going to do? Well, now you just got to add more research in there because how are you going to distinguish yourself?
Step 2.
So you're right, you have research and Step 2, and those are your only ways to distinguish yourself.
Which I think you have to do that anyway, even if you— your school is Graded. Like, I don't think— like, because now if your school's graded, you have to honors everything, plus have a bunch of research, plus do really good on Step 2.
And I mean, and the whole thing, it's just— it all just gets so far away from like, what are we doing here?
Exactly. That's the thing. It's like, wasn't the point of 3rd and 4th year to figure out what specialty you want to do, right? You want to do— but then it's like, that's the other thing is now Looking through applications and going through this whole process and all of this, it's like you have to play this, you know, you do everything right your whole entire career. You do, you know, you take, you go to college, you spend gobs of money on undergrad, you get straight A's all through undergrad, you go, you, you know, do great on the MCAT, you get into med school, you do really good your first and second year, you pass Step 1, then you do really good on all your All your clerkships and you do really good on Step 2, and then it's still like you just have to— it's still just, you have to play this game and, and do all this stuff just to do the one job that you want to do.
Yeah.
And I don't understand. I really, I don't understand the job market economics of Being a doctor. I understand these competitive specialties make more money, so more people want to do them. So then, like, it makes it harder. But I just—
it still just—
Really makes sense.
And it is a little supply and demand. I mean, if you are an orthopedic surgeon, you don't want the market flooded with a whole bunch of orthopedic surgeons, you know. Um, you want there to be competition for those spots because you don't want that many other people Competing with you, especially for things— and I don't know that orthopedics is a great example, but something that is like, there's only a need for X number of people in the country to do some of these things. And so if you have a whole bunch more people doing it, um, there's just— there's going to be more competition, and then you're going to get paid less.
Oh, that's just right. But I mean, that's a part of it. Think about that with interventional radiology, because that is needed. It really is. But it's so competitive. And I guess that's just like a supply-demand thing. They make it super competitive. But it's like, in the hospital, there's so many— like, there's— they do so much.
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. Yeah, that used to be done by other specialties that now is done by interventional radiology.
I argue does it. Yeah, like a lot of little GI things and stuff. But now PAs are doing a lot of that stuff too. Actually, I was talking to a PA about it and she was like, well, we can do a lot of that because it's needed. And they're like, okay, well, we're gonna have— so, and then you're not letting these people into residency to do it. So then it's like, now you need somebody to do it. Okay. And let me just train this PA to do it.
Right.
That's like, it just doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
Yeah.
And you know, the whole thing like, oh, we need primary care doctors, blah, blah, but we're not gonna pay them very much. Well, then nobody's going to do it. I mean, you could increase the number of primary care doctors for 5 years from now easily. Number one, pay them more, pay them a lot more, and then slash the number of residency spots.
Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, pay them more, slash the number of residency spots. All of a sudden, everybody, I always wanted to be a family medicine doctor, you know, they could have zero interest All that time. And then because, because it pays a lot, then it becomes competitive. And if there's not a lot of spots, it becomes competitive. And because of that, it becomes prestigious. And then once it's prestigious, then that's what everybody wants to do. It's just, I mean, you take a bunch of super Type A people and it's just like, they're just a total experiment. You can, they're going to do like, all you have to do is shift around a few variables and they will do exactly as predicted.
It's so true. It's so true because it's like, Yeah, I wonder how much is spots changing and that sort of thing rather than actual, I don't know, influx of people applying to cert, because, you know, those specialty competitiveness change all the time. So I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, we talked about that. Derm, everybody wants to be a dermatologist.
Okay. Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, I don't know. I wonder how it would be if, like, if it was just you got your MD and then you went and applied like you would normal jobs rather than the residency application. Because you, you would still have to build your resume in certain ways in order to get a job and all of that.
Yeah.
But it's just then you, you're able to play the market. Rather than the market having full control over you.
Yeah, it's true. You can look at like, um, getting into MBA school, right? Like, you can't— you're never going to get into one of the top MBA schools by graduating right from college. You have to finish college and then you go work for a while, and then you do stuff in your actual job, um, that shows that you're a competent person and you can do things. And, you know, yes, I mean, you've got to have your transcript and Then, you know, you got to have your connections, all of those different things, but then you apply to get your MBA. Um, but yeah, we can't in medicine. We, number one, we're running out of years, so we can't really— we can't do that. But, you know, I mean, and so we're talking about like, what's the purpose of the rotations? And if you look way back in history, remember that the whole path was you You got your MD, you did a 1-year internship where you did lots of different stuff during your internship, you got your medical license, and you went out and practiced. And that's, that's what people did, and that was what the general practitioner was. And then, you know, then we started having these different specialties, and all of that just sort of evolved over time. I mean, so that by the time I was around, there, there really wasn't I mean, there is still such thing as a GP, I guess, but you can't get privileges anymore 'cause it's not a board certification. So that's when it became like, no, it's a 3-year residency for family medicine. You gotta get board certified in that in order to be on the insurance plans and to get privileges at a hospital for anything, all of that stuff. But I don't know, it's like, it wasn't, the system has evolved. It wasn't designed to be— Like the way that it is now?
I mean, they're, they're really in, and it evolved away from this, but I'm trying to still go into it with the perspective of it's such a unique time when I literally just get to show up and learn. And that's my whole purpose is to learn. And it's been, it has been really fun to be able to do that. And having to, yeah, go home and do a lot more book studying and have kind of the stress of the grades and All this stuff definitely takes away from that. So—
But you're still, you're still enjoying it.
Exactly. I think like at its core, I think that third year of medical school is like a really cool, special thing.
Yeah. Well, okay, that's good. Anyway, uh, join us next time where we will dissect all of medical school and, uh, recommend all kinds of different changes, which will probably just Mess everything up.
We're just talking to the abyss and not even gonna do anything about it. So no, no. But, uh, you can find us on TikTok @generations.md and my mom @drdavispgy30, and on Instagram @generations.md. And if you have any questions, you can email us at askgenerations.md@gmail.com, and we'll talk to you guys soon.
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