Courtney "Goldie" Jackson: No One Was At the Auditions | TURNING CORNERS

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Jackson.

I like it. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. You got it on one take. I love it. What's up, Miss Courtney Goldie Jackson? I am so excited. I'm so excited to see you. First of all, thank you for doing the show.

Oh man, thank you for having me.

No, I promise you, I promise you, I'm so excited about you. Listen, because One, I've always been a fan, uh, whether you know it or not. We've talked, you know, before, but what you don't know, and I'm gonna say this on camera, I'm serious, what you don't know, it was 2006, uh-huh, season, uh, 1, episode 7. He was the 4th person to get kicked off, and me and my partner used to like you because you were so damn funny.

I think you got the math wrong though. Okay, I don't think I was the 4th person to get kicked off. I made it to the final 4. Oh yeah, no, I made it to the final 20.

Final 4? Yeah.

Okay, okay, give me right.

Girls, okay, your girl made it to the final because it was, it was, it was, um, the lady that got spit on, uh, New York, New York.

She's—

that got— she, she did that before that because he got spit on on Sunday, I mean on Thursday.

Uh, New York, it's so nasty to me. I hate that. I hate that happen.

You know what, that was, that was nasty. But, but the thing about it was you were so fun. And I was like, even back then, I'm like, she must do comedy, she must do comedy.

You know what? And so when I did the show, I had just started doing stand-up, but officially I was doing stand-up comedy before I did Flavor of Love. And I only did it because I figured it was gonna help me, you know, in the comedy game.

Yeah. So if you don't mind me asking, how does that even work? Like How do you get on the show like that? Like, I'm quite sure it was a lot of people trying to get on that particular show.

Uh, not at all.

Oh, for real?

Not at all. No, won't nobody trying to be on that show. Come on, it's Flavor Flav.

I mean, it's exposure, like you said.

Well, I was thinking about it that way, you know what I'm saying? But, and I, and honestly, I don't know over the course of them auditioning how many people did. I know on the day that I went, it was only 3 people in line, and it was me, the girl that I came with, and some other random chick, right?

That's crazy.

So I don't know if, you know what I mean, I don't know if they had like certain like times that they allotted for people, but I just know when I was there, it won't be 3 of us in line.

You know what, it was crazy. You still look the same. No, I'm serious, you still look the same. Black don't crack unless you do crack.

Unless you own crack.

Yeah, unless you own crack.

Thank you. I mean, I think my grandmother for that. She put me on game with, you know, Pond's cream, right, on my face.

Okay, all right, all right, shit, come through then.

Oh, Pond's, holla at you, girl.

Listen, I know, I know, right? I just, I just think that's so dope because again, we're gonna deal with the flavor of love and all that stuff later on, but I got a question. When did you fall in love? If you're gonna find out I like movies because a lot of shit I get, I stole from movies.

Oh no, I love movies.

When did you fall in love with comedy?

Uh, I know exactly when it was. Um, I can't tell you the year, but I went to see Martin Lawrence's You So Crazy at the movie theaters with my cousins, and I was sitting there looking up, and I like— I, of course, I had watched, you know, stand-up comedy my whole life. I'd seen Richard Pryor, I'd seen, uh, Eddie Murphy. I mean, I've seen, you know, stand-up before. Before, but it was something about that particular night when I saw Martin and, you know, crazy, right? And, and I was just like, my mouth— I know my mouth was open because when I'm really looking at something hard, my mouth be open. And I was looking up at the screen like, oh my God, I want to do that. Like, that is so— what he was doing was so amazing to me. And I've been in love with comedy ever since.

So, okay. That's one part. Because I fell in love with comedy watching Eddie Murphy, Delirious. I think it was 1983. And everybody in the living room at my auntie's house was like mesmerized by this dude in these black shoes and red leather with the little tiny belt. And I was like, what the hell? But he was doing stuff. And at that time, for my voice change, I can do impressions pretty good. And I was like, yo, I want to do that. But the second question is, when did you fall in love with the stage?

Oh, uh, I don't know. I think maybe from the first time I got on stage, which was in Los Angeles. Really? Let me tell you, I just moved to LA. I had only been in LA for one week, right? So I'm looking for a job, right? And I'm walking up and down Sunset Boulevard and I'm looking for a bartending job because that's what I was gonna do, right? And then I see The Comedy Store And I go, oh my God, like I completely forgot I needed a job and money, right? I just saw The Comedy Store and I was like, I gotta get on stage, I gotta go. And so I went and put my name on the list and I put Courtney Jackson from North Carolina on the line, right? All of it, all of it. Because I heard people from out of town get on stage easier, quicker, right? And so I did get picked that night to go up and do— and we were on, uh, not the main stage but like the side.

That was your first time doing comedy?

My very first time doing stand-up comedy was at The Comedy Store in Los Angeles.

Damn, girl. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's amazing.

I had a pretty decent set, you know what I mean? It was a quick, probably quick 3 minutes or 5 minutes, maybe no more than that. And, um, and I met a guy that night who introduced me to Black comedy in, in LA. And so we went from there and we went to some other spots that night, and I was like, oh yeah, this is it. Yeah.

You mean to tell me that the— you didn't do comedy, you wasn't on stage in your hometown? Nah, because that's where a lot of people normally do it, because they have their cousins show up and their mom and dad gonna be there, whatever.

Because like, I'm from, I'm from rural North Carolina. I'm from a small town called Raeford. Okay. And, um, and even though I lived in other parts of North Carolina, like, I didn't know anywhere to get up or like, you know, go to get on stage and do stand-up. So I always said like, when I get to a major city, um, I'ma just find somewhere to go. And what better place to go than a Comedy Store?

That's— yeah, that's crazy.

It was tight.

But, but even that, LA is LA.

Yeah, LA is LA, right?

So you have people that's like, that's normally their goal is to go to LA and do comedy.

Yeah, I mean, listen, what do people know about me? I'm fearless.

I see that.

I'm fearless. Like, if it's something that I want to do or I say I'm going to do, I'm going to do it. Because why not? You know what I mean?

So have you been like that your whole life? Yes, absolutely.

Really? Yes. Getting in trouble along the way. Uh-huh. Yeah, hardheaded. Because I think that's what they call us. They call us hardheaded. Hardheaded. My mama used to be like, mm-hmm, you going to learn when Ma kick you in the ass. And I'm like, who is Ma, right? So, but it just, it was just that what it was, what it was.

And it's crazy because when I first met you, you know, I don't think you had been in Dallas that long, and we was talking at an open mic or whatever. I'm like, yo, that's— yo, you know who you are? You like, yeah, nigga, you know. And I was like, oh, she cool as hell, you know what I'm saying? But the fact that you left one city and moved to another city, that's brave. Like, people don't understand what it takes to pick up and go and move to another city, not just for a job, but to pursue your dream, right?

Because I think people think that, like, I moved to LA for the reality show, which that wasn't the case at all. I didn't know anything about Flavor of Love when I was moving to LA. Me and my cousin, uh, Jasmine, we drove across the country. Come on now, 39 hours, right?

Are you serious?

Yes, we drive 39 hours across country in my little Malibu. I had a Malibu and, um, you know, we got to, I think we got to Barstow, California, which is like 3 hours outside of LA. We get to Barstow and I find out that the place that I'm going to live, I can't live there anymore. Like I had a homeboy from college who said I could come and stay with him or whatever. And because somebody hated on the situation, this girl I knew didn't want me to live, you know, with him or whatever, called him and was like, oh, she ain't got no money. She broke. She trying to come out there and live off of you. And I was like, no, that wasn't the case at all. I had bread and I was planning to be a bartender. So by the time I got to Barstow, I'm like, hey, what's up? And he is acting totally different. He was like— I was like, to the point where I go like, I'm still cool to stay with you, right? And he was like, nah.

Are you serious?

So my cousin get on the phone and go And she going off to the point now she got him to where he like, aight, aight, okay, she can— okay, she can stay the night. The night?

Come on now.

And I done drove from North Carolina to LA. Okay, so yeah, that's how my introduction to Los Angeles was. I had to go.

That's crazy.

Yeah, facts.

That's crazy. So, so while you in LA You're transitioning another city, doing comedy, and I'm quite sure you had another job and everything else. So at the time, your life was pretty busy, or were you just doing comedy by yourself?

So, okay, I say this, I didn't— when I got to LA, I didn't have a job. I had to— I was looking for a job, right? So I would get up every day and go out, you know, and look. So I ended up getting a, um, bartending job. At this place called La Louisiane, right? And this was like one of those like old school, like Louisiana Creole type of places. And, uh, so I, you know, got hired as a bartender there, and I started meeting like all of these— like, it was like a lot of Black, uh, entrepreneurs, millionaires. There was a lot of Black millionaires.

Wow.

They used to come there and just—

you don't mind me asking, what year is this?

You remember talking? '05. This is '05, right? This is the year I moved out. When I said like And so, but it was so crazy because it was like Black millionaires that would kick it, but then it was like a bullet hole in the wall of the spot. And we, you know what I'm saying, we would be like, yo, how the bullet hole get in the wall? And they was like, hey, sometimes niggas be wild. And we was like, okay. But it was a cool, you know what I'm saying, it was a real cool like atmosphere. And you would have live performers, music, um, people, sometimes comics, comedians would come in there and just kick it. Uh, uh, what's my boy with the red hair? Uh, Red, um, uh, Ronaldo Ray.

Ronaldo Ray.

Yes, he used to come in there and kick it all the time, and he would, you know, just talking with that raspy voice. Hey girl, come on over here. Hey, where you from? You know, and it was, it was just real cool. Um, and then I, I end up bartending at another comedy. It was a It was a comedy club called Mix Nuts Comedy Club. And so I was bartending there. I wasn't making no money, but I was meeting all the comics that would work in LA. And so that was cool too, because that's, you know, kind of just getting my foot in the door. Yeah. You know, and I remember it was a picture on the wall with Katt Williams and it said Katt in the Hat. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, oh man, yeah, this is where I need to be. This is where I need to be right here. This is it. And so, you know, just, uh, parlayed from there. 2 months after I got to LA, and I got the show, I got Flavor of Love.

You know what, that, that is crazy because when you think about, first of all, going across town— I mean, no, cross country, right? Then dealing with the issues with a place to stay, but then you being smart enough to say, you know, I like this, let me go into a comedy club, let me go to a place where I know I'm gonna get my foot in the door. People will see you today and be like, oh, she— who she thinks she is? But they don't know what you did or what you have to go— had to go through to get to that. Because correct me if I'm wrong, you're a therapist.

I am, yeah. Okay, I'm a LCSW. I'm a licensed clinical social worker.

You know what, let's talk about that because my undergrads— my undergrads, bam, right there. My undergrad's in social work.

Oh nice.

And I understand how hard that is, um, not just the social work part but dealing with the policies and whatever else you have to deal with. But a lot of people say comedy, and some would disagree, is therapy.

No, I completely agree. Comedy is therapy.

Okay, for sure.

Yeah, comedy's my therapy. I think comedy is every comedian's therapy because you're not just in a room talking to one person, you in a room talking to a crowd of people, telling them all your business, telling them your deepest, most inner thoughts, your, uh, you know, things that you would probably never tell somebody you cool with, but for some reason you're gonna tell the whole room. You would tell a whole room. And I listen, and I've never had a problem with I've never had an issue with getting up in front of a room full of strangers. As a matter of fact, it's easier. It's easier for me to tell a room full of strangers my business, innermost thoughts, right, than to get up and say, tell my family. My family in the room, I'm nervous. Oh man, I don't want y'all to know, you know what I mean? But strangers, it's all good.

You know what, and it's interesting you say that because I talk about some of the craziest things on stage. And normally I'm an introvert. A lot of people don't understand. I really don't like being around a lot of people. I don't like being—

Comics are introverts, really? Yes, yes.

Okay, okay. Because I don't— I personally don't like the crowds. I'm an ex-thug, so I'm looking at everybody. I don't really trust a lot of people, you know what I'm saying? Uh, I mean, I was a gang member until they started shooting, then I quit. No, I promise you, I went to the gang member. Hey bro, I quit. You need to take this shit back. Who do I need to talk to? Who do I need to talk to? I need to get jumped out. Do I need to get out because this ain't working.

So I think really I cultivated my ability to just be funny and like loving to make people laugh because I, I don't have a hard bone in my body. Like, I don't have a— I don't have a hood bone in me. Like, I can't fight. I ain't never been able to fight. So it's just like, what we doing? If we got a problem, I gotta talk my way out of this, and I gotta make you laugh.

So Yo, okay, so let's talk about something that, that interests me a whole lot. Comedy's already hard. Yeah, then we're Black. Yeah, so those are already layers that we're dealing with, but you guys, one is even harder. You are a woman. Is it really harder for a woman to do comedy? Because rarely do you see a show full of women. Right, I'll be honest, you might throw one on there every now and again, but I'm, I'm really curious because I hear women say it's harder. I've heard some women say it's not, you just gotta be funny. I don't know.

So I will say this, I don't necessarily think it's harder to be funny as a woman. I think women are just as funny as men, but I think getting the opportunity to be funny is harder as a woman because you have to deal with the politics behind the scenes. You have to deal with men's egos. You have to deal with, uh, people trying to sleep with you, or, wow, you know, the rejection of that. And now they don't want to rock with you no more. Or maybe, you know, it's a— it's just always so many different dynamics that happen behind the scenes that you have to like get through in order to even get to the stage, you know. And sometimes you're dealing with people's biases about why I don't want to hear that, right.

I—

there's a, uh, there's a show that I used to watch, The Talented Mrs. Mabley. Um, I think that's— I think I'm saying the name of it right. But anyway, it's a— it's about this, uh, white lady who goes into comedy. She's a housewife and she gets on stage and she's hilarious, right. And she's on stage one night and she's killing it. And she starts talking about like women's issues, like having a— she talks about having a baby. They go up on stage and they cut her mic. They're like, uh-uh, we don't want to hear that. We don't want to hear women talk about— that's women's stuff, right? And so even though that's like the setting of it is like back in the '50s, still to this day I think sometimes like it's certain things people like cringe. They're like, oh, I don't want to hear you talk about that. Oh, you're a woman, I want to hear women say them kind of things. Like Nah, I'm a person. I'm a human, right? This is my life. This is what happens to me. So I should be able to talk about whatever happens to me in my life because somebody out there is going to, uh, relate to what I'm saying. Yeah.

And what's even crazy about that, I don't know what documentary I was watching, but they was talking about the dress of a woman. She has to think about her dress more so than a man because if she has a certain figure they're not listening to the jokes, they're looking at her body. Or she has a certain hairstyle, or she has just a certain whatever, now they almost sexualizing her instead of listening to the jokes.

I, I mean, I agree. I think that is something that happens. But I think if, if you're funny, if you're relatable, right, it's kind of like, you know, yo, it's like anything else, you know what I'm saying? People will tune in to what you're giving them. If you're giving them something.

If you're giving them something, right?

Same, same when it comes to men. If I see a fine comic, a fine male comic on stage, he looking good, body swole, he busting out the t-shirt, right? I'ma struggle to listen to what he talking about too.

That's crazy.

But if he funny enough, now I don't really care about what you look like because you're making me laugh.

So, so is, is comedy for you Is it— have you found it to be hard on relationships just being an entrepreneur, dream chaser, the whole nine?

Sure. Yeah, I think it's— yeah, I think comedy is hard in relationships because it's different reasons, man. It's like, okay, come on, you know what I mean? Like, okay, when you— when you're with somebody, okay, so typically as a comic you're talking about your life on stage, right?

Yeah.

And when you with somebody, oh, now all of a sudden they might show up in your material. Now you talking about that argument y'all just had, or you talking about something he did that, you know, you think it's funny. And I think people feel— they feel weird about that. They're like, uh-uh, don't put my business out there. But you're a part of my life now, so you gonna get got, you know what I'm saying?

Because we talk about parents, we talk about our kids, we talk about high school or whatever we've been through. But you're off limits?

Yeah, exactly. Like, I'm not gonna say your name, but I might be like, my ex, or my dude, or this person I deal with, or whatever the case. So something that happened with us may pop, it may come out on stage, it might, you know what I'm saying? You better, you better get some thick skin, bruh.

But see, that's what I'm saying. Like, okay, for a man, women—

I'm gonna get in trouble for this—

men are actually more sensitive at times than women.

True.

We don't talk about it because we mask it in a different way. And then because we're a lot of times a lot bigger, we're larger, our voices— we, we, we— hey, hey, hey, Courtney, Courtney. But if you do the same thing as a woman, oh, now you've been emotional, now you're in your feelings. But I've been in relationships where I gotta talk about that argument. I gotta talk about how we sat in the garage for for 20 minutes because you didn't know what you wanted to eat. You said you pick, I pick, you still complain. I'm like, you said I pick. I wanted to go to Applebee's. I don't like Applebee's. Let's go to Chili's. I really don't want you— listen, but if I can't talk about that, why the blank are you here? Because this is part of the process.

So why? Because I don't think people really understand what it is until they get into it, right? They, you know, they like you, they're attracted you, you're funny. So they're like, oh man, she's so funny, her personality is great. And then they come to a show and they hear you talk about stuff that they don't want their woman on stage talking about. Okay, right. And so if you, you know, if your material is more blue, you're talking about sex, you're talking about, you know, whatever, it's like, wait a minute, that didn't happen with me. Who that happened with? When did that happen? Yeah. So now you got— is there some questions now in their head? And it can be tricky, but I would say this, um, I know a lot of female comics who are married. I know female comics who are in relationships, and I think it just takes a man who's really secure within himself and he's really supportive and he understands the creative process. So it's like, but bruh, I'm going home with you. Yeah, so what we tripping on?

And you know what, one thing I noticed about you, and I've always been a fan of this right here, you, you have a, uh, a very outgoing spirit, right? I, I'm not. I'm, I'm— I promise you. Then I'm ugly. So by me being ugly, you already look mean. People be like, oh, he's mean, he's mean.

Deprecation already.

Well, you know, that's what I do. Um, I, I do it before somebody else do it, you know what I'm saying? I got the Eminem effect. But my thing is, you're very good at networking. You're very good at just being likable. Right? Because I, I will honestly say, and I've said this before, there are times I'm not likable, but I have fun not being likable. And then I have to deal with the consequences. Like, Ray, they ain't book you because you're an asshole. Well, okay, fuck it, it is what it is. I go back to the barbershop, you know what I'm saying? But I've seen you out and about, I've seen you, and you are just so freaking friendly to everybody, and it's real. Because you have some people that are friendly and they ain't real.

They—

you can tell fake motherfucker, you know, you can tell. But you are a friendly person. And then if you go to your Instagram, y'all need to go to her Instagram, I promise you, you are with everybody. And you'd be like, damn, how many people do— uh, Goldie Courtney, how many people do she know? Is that just a natural thing for you?

Yeah, because you gotta remember, like, so listen, I grew up as an only child on a phone. Okay, on a farm, right? So, so my childhood dream was to grow up, to be in a neighborhood. Like, I just want to live in a neighborhood. I want to have neighbors. I want to be able to speak to people when I come outside.

That's crazy, right?

So, right, so it's just nothing but like land and, and our house, and it was me and my dad, right? Because my mom passed away when I was young. And so it, you know, I love being around people.

Right?

Our people will, you know.

But, but you also network great.

I try to, but I try to.

But a lot of comics will tell you your network is your network, right?

I say this about networking, right? And I remember sometimes, you know, even though you're with your best efforts, you still don't get it right all the time, right? And I remember I was in LA one night and we— I was at like a networking party and there was a guy, somebody had whispered and told me he was the guy that I needed to know. Like, I needed to get cool with him, and I was like, bet, right? So I go, like, I go up to this dude and I am talking his head off, right? Because I want him to see how funny I am. I want him to see my personality and all this and that. And I wasn't catching it or didn't get it at the time because I'm—

I was young.

And a girl kind of who was nearby, she kind of pulled me to the side and she was like, you doing too much. Like, you're, you're, you're overly selling yourself and you don't need to do that. And I was like, was she hating or that was just— you know what, I don't even know for real. I can't even really say, but I'ma tell you what, I took it as a lesson. And I was like, you know, I didn't like it at the time. I think I kind of felt like she might have been hating that night, but then later on And as time goes on, I processed and was like, you know what, thank you, I appreciate it. Because sometimes you don't like the things people say to you, but you need to hear it.

Do you find yourself having limitations on stage? You know what I'm saying? Like certain— maybe certain topics you don't talk about, or—

huh? I said it's a good question.

I mean, because, you know, I'm a comedian, so there are times where I'm like, uh, Ray, you're going too far. 'Cause I write a joke and I'm like, I can't say that because I'm too— something's wrong with me. Like, and people forget I was a preacher pastor for over 20 years.

I forgot that about it.

And, and when I tell you I got so much church stuff, I'm like, y'all gonna tell me I can't talk about 20 years of my life? Like, I was behind the scenes, I seen things, but I still do it and piss people off, but they laugh.

Why'd you stop preaching?

Uh, I love that you asked that question. No one has ever— well, some people have. Uh, the theology was off for me. Um, if you tell me that God said slaves obey your master, I just don't believe God said that. If you tell me that, you know, a woman who has a cycle is unclean for 7 days, like God don't understand the, you know, the woman's body, I don't believe that. If you tell me that Cain killed Abel and then he was afraid because they was going put a mark on him like ain't nobody else on Earth. Like, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? I just don't believe that. So went to school, got my master's. That wasn't enough. Went to Ghana, went to the slave castles, talked to people, went to Dubai, checked out the Arabic religion, Islam. And I was like, oh, okay, this is all kind of man-made stuff. I, I think the Bible is a great book to read, but if you take everything literally, you're gonna be a damn fool. That's just me. That's just me. If y'all don't like it, it is what it is. But I mean, I see I got to learn to be likable. But, uh, yeah, the preaching thing.

You know what they say, right? You know what they say when you're at a bar, the things, the topics to stay away from. They say stay away from religion and politics.

But those are the two things that affect our lives the most.

Of course they do, but you got to read the room, right?

You know what, I agree. I definitely agree with that. But me as a comedian, to me, and we still on the same thing, to me comedy, we are the last truth sayers in the world. Sure. So I say things that make people laugh, but they be like, nigga, you ain't funny. 'Cause I'll say like one joke I have about if a Black person tell you that they getting dressed, they still in the bed. They tell you they in the car, they, you know what I'm saying?

15 minutes away, it's gonna be 2 hours.

Yes. And that's how I say it. That's how I know Jesus was Black. Because it's been coming for 2,000 years and still ain't showed up. People like, right, facts.

You know what though, like, I shout out to the church because that's kind of where I got my fearlessness from as far as getting up in front of people and talking, you know what I mean? Every, every, every Sunday school, after Sunday school, me and my homegirl had to get up and present to the church what we learned.

I can see you doing that.

And so that, that's how, that's how I got it.

Now I can see you being funny with it. I can see you being funny with it.

Yeah, I mean, at least I don't know about funny with it because it was church, but at least entertaining.

Listen, painting the picture, 12 years, 10 years before I started doing comedy, I was in a church telling jokes at every sermon. Like, I literally had a pastor sit me down because my Sunday school got too big. He was like, what are you doing? Because I was— it was funny to me, you know, when Cain killed Goliath, that he did, you know, I mean, when Cain killed Abel. Did he cuss? He had to cuss a little bit. Yeah, I'm sure you can't say— he had to say motherfucker. That was the first time somebody said motherfucker.

I feel like you don't kill nobody if you don't cuss.

Man, listen, listen, come on now. When somebody—

you don't kill somebody nice being nice to them.

When Samson got his haircut by Lala, he didn't say bald head bitch. He didn't say funky bitch. And I ain't saying it's right, but that's just the way my brain operates, you know what I'm saying?

So, so getting back to your question about do I think is anything, uh, off limits. I don't, honestly, because I've seen— I've watched so much comedy. I've seen so many people be funny about so many different topics, like even stuff that's taboo. Like, I've seen, uh, like my girl, um, I'm forgetting her name, Chantay Wayans, right? Okay, Chantay does a joke about liking being molested, and the crowd, like, you could tell everybody booty clenches. But it's funny the way she tells the joke.

It's funny.

And I'm like, man, so I think if you're, if you skilled enough, you can make anything.

And, and that, and I love that because sometimes people will try to do something like, you're not there yet. Because like Dave, he came up with the alphabet people, and the way he did it, at least I wasn't offended, but he was so cold with it how he broke down every letter, but he had the skill set to do that. And I think sometimes people would do stuff, I'm like, that's not where you at. And, and I can honestly say one of the reasons I'm able to get away with jokes in the church, because I was in it for so many years, I know how y'all think already. Now I don't never say nothing crazy, you know what I'm saying, like, oh, y'all going to hell. But it's just, that's my thing.

I think you, I think you, you, you go as long as your crowd is enjoying enjoying that part, what you're talking about. If they, if they riding with you on that journey, keep going, right? But you don't want to offend. You don't want to like, you know, hurt feelings. And that's just my take. I know comics that don't care about offending. They like, it ain't good unless half the crowd don't like me.

And you know what, I think there's a balance to that because people still pay their money to be entertained. Now don't get me wrong, Some people gonna be offended at anything you say. With that, if I know I've done my best to word it right, say it right, or whatever, I'm not tripping. But there have been times, and I'm gonna be very honest, there have been times I'm like, Ray, shut the fuck up. Like, but I do that at open mic, and open mic is where I test it. I'm like, I ain't doing that one on stage, right? Yeah. Or I do it at the barbershop and everybody looking at me, I'm like, okay, my bad, I went too far, right?

I mean, I like, I like getting to the edge. You know what I mean? I got a joke about like, where all these fine pastors come from? Got them. I can't take it. I'm dealing with a less than Holy Spirit up in this thing. Ah, okay. So I mean, you know, it's like, I think any—

but it's relatable because I promise you some women in church, come on, okay, come on, you know what I mean?

Come on, I can't— ah, I'm trying to do good up in here. I'm trying to get right, y'all. Come on, pastor can't look better than my man. Ah, well, I'm like, where these— where the old pastors go? Where the ones that used to wear robes, you know what I mean?

Why you do robes?

These new dudes up here with skinny jeans on in the pool pit. Pastor Malik, like, chill.

Pastor Malik with a gold in his mouth, but he missing that side tooth because, you know, that's, that was, that's gangster. So as a woman that's, that's not married right now, uh, I'm curious because I heard the men say certain things No, no, this is good, this is good. Uh, how do you feel on this new trend about 50/50 relationships?

Meaning what though?

Okay, because some people say it's all right for a man and a woman to go 50/50 on the bills, on whatever, whatever. Some women say no. Oh my God, I'm having a visceral reaction to what you're saying right now. Okay, okay. So some women say, now you're the man, you're supposed to pay all the bills. My money is my money, your money is my money. And I'm like, that's some bullshit.

So, you know, I think different strokes for different folks personally. Okay, I'm gonna go on like kind of how I was raised, my household growing up. Like, you know, my dad took care of the big bill, like the mortgage, the house note. You mean my mama took care of the smaller bills. Okay. You know, and then, you know, sometimes he looked out, sometimes she looked out. I, you know, I'm not one of them to say, oh, a man got to pay for everything. I don't think that's fair. You know, sometimes he need a little break. You feel me? Like, I don't think a man should pay for everything, but I do. I don't know. I think it's a lot. It's a, there's a power dynamic in the household. Okay. And I think if a man doesn't like hold down a good chunk of that, he don't feel right. You mean, like, I just don't think he, he can walk around the house and, you know what I mean, talk that talk and like, you know, grab her by the neck. Like, you can't grab me by the neck and you ain't paying nothing. Come on, bruh, what are we doing?

And the flip side of that is, because I think that's fair, because what you said was the way I was raised. I'm gonna take the big bills. 'Cause I'm gonna take a little pressure off you, but at the same time, you gotta look out for me. Like, say we go out to eat, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, yeah, baby, I got it, you know what I'm saying? Like, to me, it's not about 50/50, it's whatever it takes to make 100, right? So I don't think a man should be in charge of everything, and I don't think a woman should be in charge of everything. But if even if you make more money than I do, I'm going to try my best to make your life more comfortable because I know that's important to you.

Yeah, because a woman— okay, so a woman might make more money than a man, right? And people feel like, oh, oh, with him she need to— no, no, no, no, no, because I'm still expecting you to be a man. We're still expecting you to go outside and cut the grass, right? I still want you to, you know, take out the trash every day. I'm still expecting you to, like, if something break, I need you to fix it, at least try, you feel me? Like, at least try, or know somebody that knows somebody that can come and take care of it. Like, I still need to look to you for certain things to hold this house together. So I mean, I don't know, I think people like, they, they, they focus too much on money, and I think a lot of it should be more so on effort.

I like that.

Yeah, I like that.

So yeah, so, so do you— how do you deal with, um, being a comedian, being a person who has a master's degree like you're doing your thing, right? Like, like you're really, you're really doing your thing, you know? But how do you deal with people that are— if that you find hating on you and they don't understand your story? Like, even the person you're dating might be hating on you a little bit because, you know, who she thinks she is. No, I'm just saying, I mean, it does happen.

It does.

Because I've dated people that was in competition with me. I'm like, what are you doing? Like, let's do this together, you know what I'm saying? But like, with networking, I would go out and I'll do a show afterwards. I'm trying to sell merch, I'm doing this right here. Why are y'all in her face?

Network.

What a shirt.

Networking is hard with your person, I will say that, right, from my perspective. Okay. Um, other people might be able to make it work. I think if, if both of you are in the, in the business and you both are networking at the same time, it's beautiful, right? It, it, it works when one of you is networking and talking to everybody and kicking it and the other person is sitting in the corner mean mugging you. Yeah, that, you know, that, that won't work. So sometimes you do need to like leave that person at home for certain things.

Yes, yes, right?

And I mean, I'mma keep it real with you, I flirt. I'm a flirt, you know what I'm saying? It don't mean nothing. It don't mean nothing.

Okay, that's interesting. Okay, now wait a minute, Goldie, I—

but I'm a flirt and I feel like, I feel like It's just kind of in my nature. So if I'm talking to people or whatever and my dude is there, he gonna be looking crazy.

But you say flirting. Now see, now I'm acting like Shannon Sharp. Hold on, Skip, wait a minute, Skip. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. But I'm saying like, all right, flirting, that means you touching the shoulder, your hand went across the man's chest. That's flirting, girl.

Listen, listen, I ain't say all about that touching.

That's flirting.

Okay, I'm, I'm, I am touchy-feely, okay? So I might pop, I might hit your little arm, I might hit your little arm. That's it, I'm gonna get your little arm, that's all. I'm not gonna be all on your chest now, that's too much.

That's flirting, okay? Right, okay.

But if you're in a relationship, listen, I've been told smiling at a person is flirting. Listen, I got teeth, I got a nice smile. I'm a, I'm a—

it depends how you smile.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, you do that smile that you do for me because I just cut the grass, then I'm gonna feel right.

But I'm not, I'm not gonna be disrespectful. That's my thing. I'm not gonna be disrespectful, um, to the person or in front of my, my significant other.

But not saying I don't agree. And see that again, like you said, that's networking. This comedy thing is hard because there are times you have to be extra friendly.

So how is that different than flirting, Ray?

No, I'm agreeing with you. Okay, like I'm saying, like there are times where you're extra friendly, but you can like, uh, damn, you know. And I've had situations where it's not necessarily Chris Brown picture, but you know, I've taken a picture and the girl do that, she grab my arm, and my, and my, my girl sitting over there like, I know this bitch didn't do what You know, but that's— I'm like, baby, that's part of the thing. Shit, I'm not the fuck it. So then when I do a show without her, that's— that image is in her head.

Yeah, yeah, it's tough. It's tough. Okay, sometimes you got to have the same conversation over and over and over again because for what, you know, for whatever reason, you put that little, that little doubt in that person's mind.

Yeah.

And, uh, Yeah, yeah. So he's gotta have trust.

So here's a question, because you, you've been doing this for a while, and I know one thing I know about you, you're about your business, and I love that. You're about your business. How do you deal with promoters, club owners that don't pay you, or they come up short? Because we've all been through it.

We have. Luckily, thank God, knock on wood, would. I don't— I have not had one of those situations in a really long time, right? Um, but you know, it does— it has happened in the past. And, um, yeah, I would say, uh, you, you definitely angry, you definitely want to fight, right? But, uh, and you might, you know, tell that person exactly how you feel about them at that particular time. Man, I'mma tell you, I had a promoter, comedian/promoter, that took me to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, right? We drove from Chicago to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. We did the show, right? There were 30 women, and I know because I counted, there were 30 women in a section, and all of them was like, Cody, we came to see you. And at the end of the night, he told me, ah, baby girl, we really make the money that I thought we was gonna make, but I got this here for you. And he gave me like a portion of what I was supposed to make, right? And I was pissed, but what could I do? I rode to the show with him, so I had to eat that. That was, that was the most quietest ride back to Chicago.

What could I do?

What could I do? I couldn't fight him, he was my ride.

Okay, and see, and that's the other thing. I guess it's a little different for men because I'm whooping his ass and probably take his car, you know what I'm saying? That's another layer because I've had— listen, I was at a church and the church, the pastor didn't pay us, and I was like, nigga, what the fuck? Like, like, and I knew we wasn't gonna get paid.

I—

something told me we did the show on a Saturday. No, listen, motherfucker, it was on the Saturday we got paid. I mean, we did the show, people all around the wall standing up. I'm like, all right, we're gonna get our bread tomorrow. Then they said, we're gonna— we're gonna pay out tomorrow after church. We gotta come to the church. I don't know, y'all ain't coming to your church. But the dude that I roll with, it was his parents. I hope you're watching. And I was like, okay. Then they gonna bring us in front of the church, want to lay hands on us. And I don't know you, right? And I'm like, I don't believe in people touching me. No, nigga, you ain't go—

the laying on of hands.

Come on now, come on. And they gave us not even a portion of what we agreed to. And I got out that truck after we had loaded everything up, and I saw that— I saw that check. Oh no. First of all, okay, I went back in that thing. Where the pastor at? It was like, who's this guy right here? Where the pastor at? Where? And he's, oh, hey Doc. Now ain't no Doc shit, nigga, you know what I'm saying? Oh, Reverend. You know, I ain't no Reverend right now, nigga.

It's Ray.

Run me my money, nigga, you know what I'm saying? And when I tell you the deacons came and they were standing outside the door, like, nigga, fuck y'all. What y'all— that's, that's, that's old Ray. I don't do that no more. I do contracts.

I'm glad you've grown.

I do contracts.

I'm glad you—

now you got— yeah, you got— I got paperwork. You know what I'm saying? But at that particular time, I was still kind of new to the game. I was a barber. I mean, I literally closed down my shop to go to Clarksville, Tennessee from San Antonio, like a 10 and a half hour drive for less than $100. I was hot in the fish grease, you know what I'm saying? But I learned the valuable lesson: get your deposit before you even leave the city, right? And normally, depending on the person, I might get paid before I perform.

More.

Depending on the person.

And on the person, yeah.

You know, am I—

because it's, because it's a business, okay? Right? It's still a business and you still have to treat it like that, right? This is something that we love to do, right? But still, I mean, at the end of the day, because if you don't demand that respect, that people won't— like, I had somebody told me one time, it was so real, they said, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate.

Oh, I like that.

Yeah, so, and, and I, I like that.

I like that, right?

You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate. So you have to like handle it as such because, you know, you wouldn't call somebody like a DL Hughley and not have all your ducks in a row. You wouldn't try to book somebody like that without the deposit and the contract and make sure they got their because you respect the talent.

Wow.

Right. And so as the artist, we have to treat the business the same way.

I love that.

You know what I mean? Like, you respect yourself first. You do. Because now they have to, because you, you set that boundary for, you know, for, for how you operate.

I love that. And, and setting boundaries is a big deal for me.

Huge.

Like, I, I'm is a Virgo thing, I don't know. I'm real big on boundaries because I try my best to respect everybody. And Birdie Mack— Faison Love said, because Birdie ain't here, God bless him— but Faison Love said he told Birdie, told him, you don't have to respect me, but don't disrespect me, right? And that's just how I feel. Like, you ain't got to respect me, that's fine, I get it, you don't like me. But when you disrespect me, oh yeah, I'm gonna make sure that you don't do it again, right? But as I get older, I'm like, Ray, you can't keep going to jail behind stupid people.

Listen, listen, can I tell you I've never been to jail before? And like, it's a little piece.

I think you better than somebody. You think you better than us?

No, wait, wait, listen, it's a little piece of me that just want to go just so I can do the research.

Knock on wood, nigga. Don't play.

Jesus, I don't want to go. Lord, I don't want to go. You feel me? That's why, Lord, that's why I watch documentaries, just so I can get the, you know what I mean, get what the experience is without actually going. My cousin went. I got a cousin that went to jail. She said she enjoyed herself. She had a good time. I said, cuz, they ain't try nobody get on you with nothing. She was like, mm-mm, girl, I was in there looking crazy. They didn't try nothing.

I've been several times. It's not fun. The number one thing that people forget about jail is that you gotta wear somebody else's drawers. You don't, you know, ain't no fresh drawers. So you got drawers with stains in 'em. It's blown out in the back. It's nasty as hell. It's nasty. It's bad enough to make you spray it over. Are they—

are they clean? They just didn't take the time to get the stain out?

I mean, it's jail. They just— they just had— here you go, here you go. And the longest I've been in jail was 9 days. I went in there for tickets, and there was a time where you do 3 days and whatever tickets you had, they just wipe them out. San Antonio switched that shit, right? Because I was like, I had $1,000 worth of tickets. I'm like, shit, I'm just gonna— well, nah, nigga, you're gonna sit here a little longer because this is your third time doing that shit, right? And they lost my paperwork 9 days, I was going crazy. I'm cussing niggas out. They like, nigga, you ain't gonna be here long, nigga. I ain't used to this. There's too many dudes and y'all jacking off in the shower. Sorry, I didn't mean to go there, but it's just some nasty stuff. So jail ain't nowhere you need to go.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't ever want to go, right? Right. Real— I just, you know, because I do comedy, so I like to have experiences under my belt.

Well, just pick up a man from jail. That'd be close enough. Ah, pay bond, you know what I'm saying?

Look, I used to work at a, uh, at a psychiatric residential facility for boys. And I think that's as close as I was gonna get to like that experience. But even that was crazy. Like these little kids was, you know, they was fighting every day and I was the teacher. You know what I mean? So they would come in there and I didn't care what they did as long as they sat in my class.

I can see that.

And listen, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, Okay, y'all just quit fighting just for 5 minutes so you can learn this word. It was like during slavery where you just teach them a word at a time. That's all they got an attention span for, one thing at a time.

But, uh, so, so, so watch this. Disrespect, all that. Have you ever had a person steal your joke and how'd you handle it?

Yes. Uh, I do. Listen, I don't— there was no way to handle it. I was at home and I was watching them on HBO.

You lying.

Yeah, so, and I super respect that person, so I'll never say a name, right? But I know, I remember exactly the night that they saw me do that joke, and then I saw them do that joke on their That show.

So do you have to retire the joke now?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, uh-uh. I still do the joke, right? I just put my own little twist on it and, you know what I'm saying, jazz it up so it's mine.

Because, you know, people will say— and I don't know, well, yeah, if, if you do a joke and then somebody bigger than you does the same joke— for instance, when I first started doing comedy It was on accident, actually. It was 100% on accident. I was at the Improv and I messed up on the joke and I didn't say it right, but they didn't laugh. So I had the note cards in my back pocket and I said, I can't say it no more. And I threw it, I threw it in the audience, just, you know, just being Ray. They fell out laughing. I said, oh, I ain't gotta do this. So I started doing it again. Like, that was my thing. Then I saw a hilarious comedian My name was Dion Cole, and I'm like, first of all, shit, because he like, you know, he's one of them guys that's just funny as hell, right? I'm like, I can't do that no damn more. So I stopped doing it, right? And part of me is like, man, I was doing it before I knew who Dion Cole was, but I had to stop it because some people would say, oh, you trying to do what Dion Cole does, you know what I'm saying?

So I think it's different. Dion has like a notepad had, and with, with his pencil or whatever, you had no cards, you were tossing them in the crowd.

I was throwing them in the crowd. It's different, it's different. But you know, I think the ego of a man— like, I don't want— never want to be— and listen, I'm not nowhere on his level, right? I think he's a brilliant writer, comedian, the whole night. He's a great actor too. I saw his new movie he was in. But my whole thing is I never want to be like, oh, he stole that, you know what I'm saying? So when I see people that steal jokes, I'm like, ugh.

But you know what I heard? I heard a comic say, a female comic, she said, if somebody can take your joke, it's not written well enough. Ooh.

Yep.

She said it needs to be way more personal, so personal that nobody would even think about trying to take it. OK. OK. Yeah. My girl Corey Bell said that.

So listen, you go to your man's house, right? And this is somebody that you've been kicking with for a while. You like this dude, he likes you, like everything's going good, and he puts it down in certain areas.

Ray, you just quick get out my business.

Now I'm saying horizontal fellowship, horizontal fellowship, right? You go to his bathroom, and just so happened you see a honey pack in the trash can. Do you bust them out or do you just keep that to yourself?

I don't know, I'm talking about that. Nah, nah, me, me, nah, I'm like, bruh, bruh, what, what? Oh, this what we on? Oh, this what we doing? I do it. Oh word? Oh, oh, why you ain't tell me though? Why you ain't tell me? I could have, I could have stopped and got a Gatorade or something. 'Cause I ain't know you was on that.

Wow.

Yeah, no, no, no, no, I gotta say something.

So is that— is that okay? Not because I'm the same way. I'm— I, I can't help it. As— but now he's embarrassed because he's trying to please you. Or, or is it cheating? Is it— is it like, you know, a, you know, a weightlifter using steroids? Is it cheating? Or that's just like, hey, it is what it is?

I'm saying, okay, listen, because I be dealing with older dudes sometimes, so I already know, right? Sometimes it ain't, it ain't all the way, you know, gonna do what it's supposed to do. Okay, so you might need a little help, bruh. Okay, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want you to have to need help all the time, but you feel me? Like, every once in a while you might need a little help. So I, I'm not tripping. I'm not tripping. I would rather be a conversation. First so I know, so I can get my mind right.

No, no, hold on, hold on. So you actually think a man gonna sit down with you like, Courtney, uh, just want to let you know, uh, stopping at the gas station and get these honey packs. Ain't no man gonna ever do that.

Uh, I'm proud. I have done that. Men have done that. Really?

Wow.

Really? Yeah.

Listen, it's funny because somebody just came to your mind.

I like dealing with honest people. I like people who are honest, right? Especially when it comes to something like that. Like, let's keep it all the way live.

But I can't, I can't imagine a man saying, look, uh, what time you getting here? Because I gotta take my pill. That just don't even— that don't even sound right, even if it's true.

Listen, that's because you were Virgo. Okay, okay.

Because me personally, I don't think it's cheating. Me personally, I think that's just smart. Like, I'm trying to win.

I don't think it's cheating.

I mean, say, man, but let's just—

okay, for instance, let's just say I'm tired. Right, let's say I worked all day and I'm tired and I'm gonna give you a little something, but I ain't trying to be all up all night long like that. Don't do that, bruh. If you got a strong 10 minutes in you, that's all I want. Come on now, let's not go— let's not go the distance because I'm tired and I gotta get up and go to work.

Okay, so it's funny because, oh my God, I love comedians. Like, I have been having such a great time talking to comedians because we all think alike. You know what I'm saying? And I love what you said because one of the greatest jokes I ever heard was— I don't even know if it was meant to be that way. It was on Harlem Nights, and she said, Sugar Ray, yeah, let's make love all day. I mean, all night, in the morning stuff. He said, how about we just do a good 10 minutes and go into a deep coma-like sleep? I said, yeah. And she was cool with it. She's like, meet me halfway. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I just, I just, I love comedians because y'all say what's on the— y'all, we say what's on our mind. Okay, one more. Yeah, because I'm stupid. You like the man, you think he's cool, uh, you had his house, and all of a sudden you don't just see a roach, you see a roach that's about to take off and fly. You talking about like one of them, uh, water bugs? Yeah, they call them water bugs depending where you at. We call them cockroaches. But it's about to fly. And then he walks into the room.

I'm gone. I'm gone.

No, no, I'm gone.

I don't care what the plans were. I don't care what he was talking about. I got to go. No, I got to go. Because listen, either or, OK? Let's be clear. If it's a roach, then it's probably a little nasty in here. And I don't need to put nothing down, including myself. Right?

Okay.

If it's a water bug, I feel like water bugs just be in people's cribs sometimes, right? Because they, you know, depending on if you live near water or whatever. But I can't though, like, I can't do a water bug because like, ah, they make my skin crawl. Like, it's too big. They too big. They walk like, you know what I'm saying? Like they are animal. Like, ah, ah, I gotta go. I gotta go. You can't kill them. I Yeah, I hate them.

That is so funny. That is. And you say you can't kill them?

You can't kill them because if you try to step on a water bug, it's just gonna go flat on you. Like, you feel me? Like, I can't say—

I, I'll be honest with you, I'm so scared of flying roaches. Yeah, like, I would— I don't know if I should say this, but fuck it. I scream like a, like a person getting raped. I, I don't— I don't— I scream because when they fly, I don't care how tough you think you are. If I see my homeboy— God bless the dead— he got butt naked because that roach went in his shirt and this big old just started stripping. He started stripping. He was scared. And I was like, , you are too big to do— but, but that roach is something else. Are you gonna— you gonna say something to him? Are you gonna roast his ass?

I know you might— I might spray a whole can of Raid trying to kill one water bug because I can't—

and you moved to Texas—

let you— and that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And they be, they be, they be sneaking up on you, man. You be chilling, a water bug, like, you know what I'm saying, roll up on you like, I don't need it, I can't do it.

That's crazy. That's crazy. Well, listen, I want to tell you thank you for your time. Thank you for coming through.

Um, I had a great time.

I, I really appreciate you more than you even know. Um, I've had a great time. The thing I like about women comedians is because, like I said, there's an extra layer of fearlessness, and I love talking to different women in this. And off camera, we're going to talk about some other stuff because, like I said, I love your grind. I love what you do. Please do me a favor, look at that camera right there. And give people your social media stuff. Let them know where they can find you, where they can book you. Let them know how they can get in touch with you, your years of experience. Let them know who the fuck you are. Because no, because some people say that's just Goldie. No, nigga, that's Courtney. Because before that was Goldie, that was Courtney, you know what I'm saying?

Uh, all right, y'all, well, uh, like I said before, my name is Courtney Goldie Jackson. Um, you guys can reach me, um, via my social media. I'm always on Instagram, and my Instagram is Goldie_98. Um, a little bit harder to find on Facebook, but still, uh, Courtney Jackson on Facebook. Um, but yeah, y'all slide in my DMs, hit me up. Um, you can even email me. Um, you can email me at, um, oh shoot, I'm blanking on my email. Um, Anyway, hit me on Instagram. Um, y'all, I am a comedian, uh, I am a therapist, so I also do speaking engagements. So if you want me to come out, be funny, um, if you want me to talk to people about mental health, I do that too. Um, and so yeah, y'all holla at your girl, man. I'm in Dallas, Texas, uh, but you know, I'll be everywhere. If the money there, I'm there. I love it. Love it. Thank you.

Hey girl, I appreciate you. I appreciate you.

Everything that you've done.

Another episode. Another, another episode. Courtney Goldie Jackson.

That last part again because I couldn't remember my email.

Okay, go ahead.

Go ahead.

Um, you good?

The one that I want to give.

Okay, I know how to edit. I'm good.

That's what it is. Okay, good.

Okay, however you want to do it, you're good. We still recording. All right, cameras are— wait, my effect. Yeah, there you go.

What's up, y'all? Like I said before, it is Courtney Goldie Jackson, um, comedian and therapist. Uh, so y'all please, uh, follow me on my social media. I am always on Instagram, so my Instagram is goldie_ 98. Um, I'm on Facebook, a little harder to follow because I got such a regular name, but on Facebook it's Courtney Jackson. Um, and y'all also can email me at goldies with an S good T at gmail.com. Hey man, I'm out here, man. I'm in Dallas, Texas, but I'm, you know what I'm saying, I'm everywhere. If the money there, I'm pulling up. So y'all holla at me.

I do spoke—

I do a speaking engagements. Um, I come talk to the children, I talk to kids, I talk to women's groups about mental health issues. Um, and at the end of the day, I'm always that funny girl, man. Y'all remember me from Flavor of Love. Hey, y'all take care, love you, God bless.

Love it, love it. Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much for all that you do. Thanks for coming through. I really appreciate it. Another episode of Turning Corners Ray can't get right. I holla. Love it, love it.

Thank you.

Thing about being the trailblazer, you're gonna smell like smoke. Going city to city, we turning corners.