Phil Martin aka Nino | A Judge Changed My Life

Being the Trailblazer, you going to smell like smoke.

Going city to city, we turning corners. When you with Trailblazer smelling like smoke, pay attention to the joke. What's up everybody, it's your man Nino, better known as Phil Martin, Phil Martin Films, from the legendary rap group PKO.

Yes sir, yes sir. Welcome, welcome, welcome, brother, to Turning Corners. My dog, man, my OG, my guy that helped put San Antonio on the map. God is doing films all around the country. God is doing his mark in the, in the, in the lawyer. There's all kinds, brother.

Welcome to Turning Corners, bro. I appreciate it, I appreciate it, man.

Bro, I appreciate you coming on the show. Man, I am a fan, bro.

Like, like, appreciate it, bro.

I'm a fan. Yeah, we don't talk all the time, we don't be able to, you know, sit down, but when I tell you I'm a fan of what you do, I'm a fan of your, your transitions. Yes sir, you know what I'm saying? Um, first of all, how you doing, man?

Man, I'm doing wonderful, man. I'm blessed, I'm blessed, dog. I mean, I'll tell you, you know, I've had a long journey these past 9 months, but, uh, I'm blessed. Feeling good.

Oh man, listen, man, I know some of these questions. Yes sir. I'm gonna answer some of these questions, but I'm gonna start here.

Okay.

Where you from?

San Antonio, Texas. Yeah, shout out to Rigsby.

You out the Rigsby?

Yes sir.

Yo, I didn't know that.

Yeah.

Yo, okay, okay. But for those who don't know, what is it like growing up in the Rigsby? First of all, what year did you come out?

Out of the Rigsby?

I mean, I mean, what high school you go to?

Uh, '86.

'86?

Yeah, '86.

So that's Duno now, that Duno Pop?

Yeah, well, it was really before them, you know, that was, that was before '86 though, you know, growing up in, you know, I knew Duno Pop, uh, Billy, you know, uh, everybody back there, you know.

That was before the gang stuff?

Oh yeah, before there was no Bloods back then, no Crips, no, no, it was none of that back What, Raw Dogs and Fly Riders? Shout out to my boy Bowfly.

Bowfly, goddamn, you took me back. You took it back. So what was it like growing up in San Antonio being a person who had all this talent? And we're going to talk about PKO in a minute because people don't know how big PKO is, right, or what he did for San Antonio, right? They just—

they have no clue.

What was it like growing up in San Antonio where we did, you know, take pride in the Eastside? You know, Fat Tim doing his thing, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

As a young man trying to, you know, get your mark, do your thing, what was that like, man?

It was exciting, to be real with you.

Okay.

You know, you know, when I look back at it, it was, it exciting. At the same time, it was, it was challenging because when you come from a city like San Antonio where the population is like 80-90% Mexican and white and then only a small, small of us, everything that we did, it was really, really hard and under the microscope cuz we stood out, you know what I'm saying? So it was challenging, exciting, but at the same time it was, it It was, uh, it was good. I wouldn't trade it for nothing.

You know, y'all, y'all, y'all have changed San Antonio forever. And I know when I talk to K-Sam and I talk to AK, and you know, a lot of— I don't know if they understand, just like I'm telling you right now, what y'all did for us young cats, you know, Lil' Sin, and you know, that, that did things. Y'all were the first dream chasers I ever met, right? Y'all were the first ones that I saw step out the box and say, I'm going to do something different, right? You know what I'm saying? Because it was a time everybody wanted to be a basketball player, everybody wanted to go football, but y'all was like, I'm getting to this music thing. What got you into the music part anyway?

I've always been into music since a child, me personally, you know what I'm saying? Uh, growing up listening to the Jacksons want to emulate them and want to be in the band. My mother and my aunt, my whole family, you know, they were all musically inclined, you know what I'm saying? Not playing instruments, but just listening to music every day, all day. All I remember as a kid is my mama would dress the living room up on the wall, album covers and mirrors, you know. So I'm, as a kid, that's all I'm seeing is the Isley Brothers, Shakur Khan, Minnie Riperton, Grover Washington Jr., all genres of music on my wall every day. I mean the whole living room wall. So we're around music. I was around music all the time and it just made me want to get involved in music. My mama would have album covers and I was a big credit buff. I still am to this day. I want to read the credits back then on albums and the inside, they had all the information, right? So I would read the credits and I'm like, I wanna know who produced this, who wrote this, who sung on this, who played this instrument, and I want to know about that artist, that singer. And it just intrigued me as a kid, and I just always been into that, and it got me started in music. And from there, started a band before— way before rapping, we started a band, me and my boy Curtis Barnett and Albert Wilson out of Dalecrest, and Roger Ross, our best friend, RIP. I lost him back in the day, you know. But, uh, yeah, so I've always been involved in music way before the rap.

The rap, that's crazy. So how did— for those who don't know, pounds, kilos, and ounces, for those who don't know, right? PKO. Now I want to make sure I highlight this because there are people who don't know what that rap group did for San Antonio, right? They don't understand what that meant for us just to have a voice. Mm-hmm. You know I'm saying, even when DJ Quick came to San Antonio, we just like Compton, like, nah, bro, right? It ain't what you think it is down here. You know, he found out quick at Illusions.

Absolutely.

You know I'm saying, whatever, it was a situation, was a bad situation. Yeah, but what brought that rap group about? And did y'all know each other prior to— were y'all just homeboys and decided to start a group, or how did that even come about?

Who, my man Magic?

Yeah, here we go.

Magic. Yeah, Magic Mark.

I'm sure.

Shout out to Audi's Burgers, man, the best burgers in the town, man. Uh, nah, man, Magic— I met Magic when I left Sam Houston and I went to Roosevelt. My dad stayed in the Glen, so yeah, I had to get out of the East for a minute and had to go stay with him. So when I did that, I went to Roosevelt. Shout out to Roosevelt, good school.

Roosevelt, yeah.

Roosevelt, man, you know what I'm talking about? So yeah, I met Magic and K-Sam at Roosevelt, but yeah, I met Magic at Roosevelt and we were just like on the same thing, like trying to do parties at that time. Wanted to DJ for parties, you know what I'm saying? And me and Magic was on this— it was just weird because we was on this business thing in high school, you know what I mean? It was like we would wear trench coats, briefcases, and, and act like we owned a Fortune 500 business. It was just crazy. But we was about the same thing while partying and want to DJ. And then we start throwing parties for the school, for the for the football team and basketball teams over at Chuck E. Cheese's. And when he and I walked into Chuck E. Cheese's office to talk to the manager to structure a deal like businessmen, we knew then that we were gonna be businessmen, you know what I'm saying? Not rappers at that time, but businessmen for sure. And it just followed both of us to this day.

So all the members was you, K-Sam, Mark. Was AK part of the group?

Yeah, he was the DJ.

He was the DJ, right? Okay, I know I was making sure I wasn't—

he was the main— okay, K-Sam was more like a rapper though, right? Well, he was more like a producer DJ, and then he became a rapper.

Okay.

Yeah, he was producing at first.

That's crazy. So there's a legend that— was it Rap City? Who was that that y'all had walking down Martin Luther King with y'all? Was it Rap City? It was somebody that was— was it BET? Somebody came to interview PKO back in the day.

So we did an interview. Fortunately, it wasn't entertainment interview. It was CNN.

Really?

Yeah, when I did the song, you know, Shoot the Police, and the song was kind of like— it was viral before viral. And man, they wanted to see who was this group out of San Antonio, right? Little Mexican city of San Antonio, talk about shoot the police. You know, it's hard for me to even say that shit now.

I don't even know.

But yeah, so CNN came down, they did us an interview. We was right there in the Sutton Homes and, you know, we was walking through Sutton Homes and we did the interview and because Marcus from the Sutton Homes. I'm from the Raisin, he from the Sutton home. Okay. And we was in Sutton Homes and they interviewed us and just talking about the song and talking about the police conditions in San Antonio. And but when I listen to that now, man, I'd be like, boy, we was some young, wild— yeah, cowboys to be saying the shit that we were saying.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, on those records back then, it was crazy.

And the thing about it is we're grown now, you know what I mean? So even Even me, jokes I used to tell, I'm like, boy, don't—

what the hell you doing?

Like, grow up, you know what I'm saying? Not saying that there might not be some truth to, right, certain things, but there's a better way of articulating our thoughts now. Yeah, more creative or whatever. Um, so you went from PKO doing your thing, traveling the country, like putting San Antonio on the map. That's just— it is what it is. People try to say this rapper or that rapper or this person doing— yes, they are, but I remember, right, the people. And that's why I really was excited about this interview, because as a dream chaser back then, did you have models or mentors to follow, or were y'all just out there just doing it the best way that you knew how?

Man, to be honest, like, my mentors was all street dudes. It was all street dudes. I didn't have nobody to look up to who was doing what I wanted to do other than the actual stars, you know what I'm saying, who was already doing something. So I kind of like, you know, looked up to them, emulated some of their stuff. But, you know, my mentors, like, you know, I had street mentors, you know what I'm saying. And the mentors who, you know, they saw me doing wrong and facilitated me doing wrong, but then they made me stop once they knew that I was different, on a different path. They didn't want me doing the wrong shit. So the same street dudes who was like big, big, big in the streets would be like, nah, bro, you need to be doing this instead. Go DJ somewhere, man. Go DJ. You don't need to be doing what you're doing. But it was hard because a nigga needed money, so we had to be out there slanging and banging. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So how did you make that transition though? Like, you know, it was turning corners. How did you, you say, you know what, okay, I was doing this, I see there's no end to this. There's no positive end, I should say that. Right, right. What made you, was there a moment where there's something within yourself? What made you transition? And we gonna talk about the movie thing. 'Cause now you on a whole different level, like, you know.

Right.

But what made you change all of that to where you at right now?

County Court, 227, Judge Machado. I had went to a court for a little case. Well, ain't no little case, it was a big case. I went to court on a case and he looked at my rap sheet and he just said, bro, you ain't never been to prison. After all this, I'm looking at your sheet, you've never been to prison. I said No, sir. He said, okay, all right, you come back up in there, you catch another case, you out of here. Like, like, gone, gone, for real, for real, right? And that just— that was right, that was it for me, you know what I'm saying? I had got all— I done all the dirt I did, had all the felonies, all these misdemeanor cases and shit, and you know, all this, uh, attempts on my life and us making attempts on other people's lives and, uh the destruction that we was causing with the shit that we were selling. And then you grow up at some point, you know. But when the judge told me, man, you know, this is— it's at the end of the road for you, Mr. Martin, you know what I'm saying? That was— that's all I need to hear.

Yeah.

And I make— I'm gonna make my own transition because I felt like this in the game, and I said this in a few other interviews, right? The game is there for, for purpose, for those of us or y'all who in the game or was in the game, right? It's there for a purpose. Get in, get out. For those who make a career of it, you know what I'm saying, either you're gonna go to the pen or you're gonna die. Some slip through the cracks, but not too many, you know what I'm saying though. So it was, uh, for me it was time just to get out. I did all the dirt that I needed to do, made all the money that I needed to make. Up and down, you know what I'm saying? And to be honest with you, you know, when I got out, I was on the down trajectory of the game, you know what I'm saying? And I just had to get out, man. Once they came, you know, all— every letter in the alphabet raided my crib. They didn't find nothing, thank God. But me and my old lady, we moved to Dallas, man. I couldn't— I couldn't— I had to get out of San Antonio. Yeah, because for a lot of us, it's either, nigga, if you don't move, you gonna die. You going to pin in this bitch. It is what it is, cuz San Antonio at that time had turned, man, you know, with the drugs and the gangbanging at that time, it was bad. Yeah, you know I'm saying, for back for that era. It'd be bad now sometimes. I'll be hearing, looking at the news and stuff, but it was bad for us. But for me personally though, you know, hey man, everybody have that, that moment when you know, you know, the man in the mirror. Yeah, what you gonna do? You gonna continue doing some stupid stuff and end up like your partners, them who got 25 aggravated, 30-year feds and all that shit. Nah, man, I can't. I couldn't do it. And then I had my daughter. When I had my daughter, that really, really changed everything too, you know what I'm saying? So it was just like, nah, I'm done. I'm done. Yeah, I'm gonna find another way because I'm a true hustler. If you're a real hustler, I don't give a fuck where you from— San Antonio, Austin, Seguin— if you're a real hustler, you gonna figure it out. You know what I'm saying? Just like if you— and then not only in hustling, right, in life, right? If you're a real man, you got a family, you got a wife, you got kids, you got bills, you gonna figure it out. You gotta make it happen for them. So you gotta just figure it out, bro.

You know, it's brave to leave because a lot of cats say, man, I ain't gonna go nowhere, I'ma beat this, I already beat one, or whatever. But I salute you for saying, I have this, this wife, I have my child, I'm about to leave. Because your reputation, whether good or bad or whatever, sometimes, you know, leaving, people gonna talk about you, they gonna say whatever they're gonna say, and it's expensive going to a city where you may not have as many friends or allies and everything else. But looking back at it now, I just want to say I salute you for, for having the strength to leave and having a wife that, that supports you enough to say, I'm gonna roll with you.

You gotta, you gotta step out on faith. That's one thing, you know, I, I did all my life. You know, I, I stepped out on faith, man. If you want something bad enough, you gonna go get it, dog. Even if you got to move 1,500 miles away from the crib sometimes. You know what I'm saying? You gotta go get it. I'm not afraid to go get it. I ain't afraid to run my mouth. I ain't afraid to network and go meet people. I'm not afraid to travel. Every major independent distributor, distribution deal that I had in my music, I actually flew to the places to go meet the owners of that company.

Really?

California, New York, Minnesota. I'm going there to meet the guy because I want to meet him. Tennessee. Um, it's just, it's just, it's just when you, when you got that, that, that hunger that's in you, bro, you ain't gonna never stop. No, you know what I'm saying? You're gonna, you're gonna try to achieve what you're trying to achieve. And I did that. God blessed me enough to have the mindset and to be disciplined enough, you know, bumps along the way. Yeah, of course. But he blessed me to have that go-getter, uh, killer instinct, man, to go go get it. And I did that.

You know, it's rare to hear honesty from people that will even say there was bumps in the road, because some people, oh man, I did this and this right here came together. Watching your journey from afar, I've seen the ups and downs in a lot of things, because through the grace— I appreciate you sharing it with us, because like I tell people, you don't know who you encouraging or discouraging with your words, right? You know what I mean? It's true. And as a youngster, you know, I'm a little younger than y'all. I just recall seeing y'all looking like larger than life people, you know, illusions. You know, I couldn't— I wasn't even old enough to get an illusion. Yeah, yeah, I'm at the little stop and go in a stolen car watching y'all. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I remember K-Sam walking to the spot and he buying off stuff, and you know, I was like, man, who are these dudes, man?

Yeah.

You know, and even to this day when I see him at Horizons and everything, he be like, man, why y'all at— bruh, y'all don't understand. And to see a person like yourself matriculate and just go to different levels, you know what I'm saying? Life, yeah, it's inspiring, it's encouraging. And I want to just tell you face to face on camera, yes sir, thank you. No problem, man, you know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody else gonna have me drive to fucking Houston to do a movie as a preacher. Yeah, because people know I'm so far from the church and you like, nigga's acting, ain't it? I'm like, yeah, he's acting as shit. Okay, I guess I'm gonna go, you know what I'm saying? Because it's you. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And then, you know, I appreciate that, you know what I'm saying? But, um How do you keep things in line as you're going for your dream, right? Like now you're in the film industry, you know what I'm saying? Well, let me just— let me go back here and say this right here, because let me pay a bill. Uh, this segment is called, uh, it's, it's sponsored by Drop Your Sauce. It's barbecue spot. Okay. Uh, great, great barbecue or whatever. And this is called What's Your Secret Sauce? What is your secret sauce that keeps you going even in the midst? Faith.

My faith. It's my faith. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It's my faith. I just, I gotta, I gotta do it. I, I have to. It's just no off button with me. I have to do it, you know. If God blessed me with talent resources and finances, you know, I gotta just do what I gotta do, man. I'm following my dream, man. I'm going— I'm the orders, the steps that he ordered for me is, is really what I'm doing. I don't mean to sound all preachy.

No, bro.

And, and, you know, but I'm just keeping it 100 with you, dog, you know what I'm saying? Everything, every move I make, you know, he ordered my steps. Everything, everything I do, even the bad. I tell people all the time, man, I lost way more than I've gained. Way more, you know what I'm saying? Way more. And I take those lessons and I apply them to my everyday practices in life and in business. And I just keep pushing, bro. I just keep pushing.

But even with Betrayals.

Mm-hmm.

People stab you in the back.

Mm-hmm. They sure will.

Health issues, financial issues, I'm sure. Cuz like I tell people, we— y'all just see my lights, you don't see my darkness, right? Y'all see when I'm posting caviar, right, right, right. Y'all don't see when, yeah, you know, things ain't hitting right.

The lights is off, the cameras is off, they don't know, they don't see that, you know. They only see the good, you know, and You know, it's a lot of blood, sweat, and tears that come behind just trying to be successful, let alone, you know, making it. It's a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, as you know, you know what I'm saying? You a comedian, you a business person, and you do things as well, so you know as many years that it taken you to get to a certain level in life and in business. That, man, it's, it's rough. And people don't understand the rough times, bro. They just see the glitz and the glam and think everything is good. I tell people all the time though, especially with the social media day, man, social media is just what it is. It's social media. People can become anything and say anything and people will believe that. Or people can say some things or look a certain kind of way and the people will run with their own narrative of what they thinking that you doing. Yeah, you might see me in a Bentley or Range Rover or something like that, but nigga, hey, repo man could be around the corner. You just don't know, you know what I'm saying though. So it could be times when people be going through things and it might look a certain way and it just, you know, people don't— people just don't understand, man. You know, you just gotta— I just keep, I just keep pushing though, you know. You know, it ain't all— everything ain't always peaches and cream. It's a lot of work behind the success that you see, behind the final product or project. It's a lot of work to come with it, man. It's a lot, dog, you know what I'm saying? And you lose a lot, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I lost so much money, dog. I'm talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars in music, you know, and lost some money in the movie, in the movie situations too. Too. Not like, not like, uh, the rap game, because I was in the rap game forever. But, but you lose some and you win some if you're an entrepreneur. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You're gonna lose a lot, bro. You know what I'm saying? I mean, people don't understand that. They just thinking you just gonna win. You're gonna open up a club and just think you just gonna start winning. No, bro, that ain't gonna happen. You know, you're gonna all of a sudden you want to become a promoter, you want to promote clubs, or you want to promote something, you can do that and you can have some really good nights. But do it for a year straight and then I'll weigh the good nights and the bad nights, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

And if you still want to continue that on that second year, go ahead, you know, or the third or the fourth or the fifth, you know, if you see a little light, you know, gotta be consistent with it though.

I understand faith is a big deal. Mm-hmm. And I tell everybody, if you don't have faith in this particular field of entertainment, get out of it, because you gotta have faith in something.

Mm-hmm.

You know I'm saying? You might not serve the same God I serve and everything else, but you got to have faith. It's like, even if you just have faith in yourself, your ability. But have there been times, and let's just, you know, have there been times where you was like, you know what, this shit ain't worth it? You know, where, where you was just like, you know what, as, as good as it has been, maybe this is over for me. You know I'm saying? Because for a person to transition from from music to movies. That's a huge transition. I'm quite sure there's some similar—

yeah, is it?

But these damn cameras is a mug.

Oh yeah, now on that, you know, on that says, yeah, it's, you know, uh, the finances are way different, you know what I'm saying?

Okay.

And then, um, but it's pretty much the same, you know what I'm saying though. But really, yeah, it is, it's pretty much the same. But I mean, you know, transitioning from—

because you're writing movies now, bro, right?

I write scripts, I write movies, I produce the movies, right?

Yeah.

So it's like, I'm gonna write an album. That's how my first movie is, like, okay, I'm gonna write an album. Then I learned very quick, nah, this ain't like writing. This movie is like writing 5 to 7 albums though, you know what I'm saying?

Okay, okay.

I'm thinking, I was looking at it like a song or 2 or 3 songs, and I was looking like, well, I'm gonna write an album. It's taking what, uh, 16 songs? Nah, bro, it ain't like that in the movie business. It's different. It's a lot different, you know what I'm saying? Even when somebody's transitioning from a videographer, he shoot rap videos, right?

Uh-huh.

Oh, I want to make a movie now. Okay, you can make a movie though. If you shot a video, you can make a movie, bro, but you have to know how to do it. My first movie that I was in, that I casted you in, right? Ray Sorrell. Me and my partner, we didn't really know what the hell we were doing, but we shot it, you know I'm saying? It came out the way it came out.

Came out good.

It was successful, really. It came out really good on the box office, but it was shot wrong. I'm just being real, it was shot wrong. Now we know. You see my movies now, it's way 100% different than the first two movies. So, but yeah, you can do it. You just gotta just know what you're doing, you know.

But the fact that you're not afraid to turn the corner, you're not afraid to transition, I'm not afraid to— but, but okay, so you're saying this like it's normal.

For me it's normal.

I hear what you're saying though, because this is what I was just telling a girl. I said, I said, girl, that ain't normal. I was talking to Juan Villarreal, he was like, Ray, this is what I said, bro, it's not normal. Y'all act like this is normal because this is what y'all do. But for those who that might be watching the show or people that are tuning in, they're gonna be like, well, how did he go from the streets to this, to CNN, to this, to this. Y'all have a gift that comes 100% from God, but you realize it, right? And you not only do you realize it and you recognize it, but you're actually doing something about it. You know what I'm saying? So recently you had a situation happen with health issues, correct? But you still going, correct?

It's God, dog. I promise you, it's God. I did 2 movies while having chemotherapy treatment. That's unheard of, dog. I was dog tired. I was beat down. But I did it because when I'm down, I was down and I'm in the bed, right? I've always been the type that even if I'm sick as a little kid, you know, got the flu, didn't go to school. Well, I'm not just gonna just be in the bed in pajamas, dog, or whatever. I'm finna be up, you know, doing something unless my health is just all, you got me out. Ray, look, I gotta keep going, right? You hear the, you hear the story about what some people say, they, they work today, 60-something or 70 years old, and the moment they retire, they, they, they check out, right? But that person got to keep going. Well, for me, the way my mind is, I gotta just keep going. I gotta keep working. I gotta keep doing. And I'm good financially, but I still have to keep going. And the good thing is for me now is You know, I'm blessed enough to not to have to chase the paper no more. I ain't got to do that no more, you know what I'm saying? But now I'm doing it back for the passion of this, what I want to do. This is what I'm called to do. So I'm not chasing the paper though. So for me, I just have to do it. It just, it just, you know, I seen an interview with Michael Jackson one time when he was saying like he can't sleep, the metronome of beats is just in his head. It won't— that's how I am. Creativity. I'm a creative person. Always been a writer, always been a producer, whether it's movies, videos, commercials, or writing of some kind of whatever. I just have to just keep going because I think if I stop, I don't know what the hell I'm gonna do.

So what do you think the importance of having a support system around you? Because obviously you got people around you that believe in you. You know, just to even go to, you know, Dallas with you or whatever. Like, a lot of people don't understand it's important to have a support system of some kind. It is around you. What would you tell a person that, that want to get out there and do their thing? How, how would you tell them to structure the people around? Because, you know, we got people around us that just want to use us. There's people around us that just, oh, he got something right now, he's fire, he's doing something different right now. But for long term, that shit can kill you because then you're not trusting nobody.

That's true.

Well, maybe that's just me, you know what I'm saying? So how would you tell people that maybe want to get into this game about the people around them?

Yeah, well, you, you got to have a tight support system. You have to, right? Uh, if you're fortunate enough and blessed enough to have one. A lot of people don't at the same time though, right? They just got to go out there and get it on their own. And get it. Uh, my support system really came from my family, you know, my wife and my kids and stuff like that. Yeah, it's cool to have some homeboys. We, we doing the same thing, you know, we gonna support each other. That's gonna be strong too though. But you know, when you start growing up and then you start seeing that even your homeboys fade away, the support ain't like what you really think it's gonna be. But your, but your family, your wife, your kids, your mama, if you still blessed to have your tea lady still around, they gonna be your real true support system. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like he was mentioning about my health situation, I didn't have a few health situations before, and when I look at that, my homeboys wasn't around. It was my, my, my immediate, my immediate family though, you know what I'm saying? That's my, my true support system and my faith, you know what I'm saying? So you you know, that's what it is for me.

Do you feel like that was one of your life-changing moments with the situation you just went through?

My last— the health situation, the cancer? Uh, what was your question one more time?

Do you think it's maybe a life-changing situation? You know, like, yeah, sometimes we look at something—

it was, it was, it was, I would say, really one of my more serious life-changing issues I've had. Like, my testimony really runs so deep, though. I don't even really share a lot of, you know what I'm saying. But when I tell you, God has blessed me so many times. He saved me from going to prison a few times. He saved me from getting murdered a few times. He saved me from, uh, all kind of things, dog, that, that was really— could have been detrimental to my, to my well-being, you feel what I'm saying. And, uh, you know, uh, nah, man. Nah, man. I, you know, I don't take nothing for granted no more or nothing I just, uh, I just keep the faith and keep pushing, bro. That's all I know. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I, I know I've, I've had situations where I guess I wasn't fully appreciative because I kind of felt like, well, this is me, I can't get right, I'm da da da da. You gotta say, all right, let me show you who in charge, you know what I'm saying? And then he humbled me, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

So now this interview, you know, or the different people God's put me around, I don't take it for granted, right? I don't take it for granted, right? But I was curious when I was thinking of some questions, but I was curious. I wonder where does his stories come from? Because you got unique movies. You got— could you name some of the movies that's out right now?

Uh, um, one of my biggest movies out, the one that Ray starred in, is called Pressure. Go check it out. It's on Tubi, Amazon, Apple Music, uh, all the streaming platforms. Uh, I have another one called Bittersweet, The Maintenance Man, You, Me and She. And then I, uh, I got 3 that's gonna— 2 that's gonna drop by the end of this year, uh, My Deadly Crush and Bad Intentions, you know what I'm saying, with Crystal the Doll. And I got some more set up for, for '26. We're about to shoot Pressure 2, uh, in January, you know.

Wow.

And that's gonna be a banger. It's gonna be a really good one.

So, so what are these ideas come from? Because you, you said a movie is like shooting, what, 10, 15 hours?

Yeah, writing a song.

I mean, writing a song. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, I'm a writer, so I, I've always had concepts and, and titles and ideas, just like constantly though. So for me to write it down is just really nothing. It just, it just come with it, man.

Yeah, but to write it down, that's an idea. To sit down and write a whole damn movie, bro, you have to— okay, you ain't— you don't understand.

But if, if—

wait, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, and I'm gonna say this, and it's not gonna— I'm not gonna say it right, but I'm gonna say it the way I fucking feel. Somebody coming from the east side of San Antonio where, you know, we looked at as, you know, you're not this, you're not that, right? You go from having a rap group doing deals at Chuck E. Cheese, bro, to not getting— going to prison. To dealing with cancer and you still writing movies. Yeah, bro, do you not understand you are Peter walking on water, man? Because sometimes we're so inside of the dream, we don't know how big our shit is, right?

And people tell me that a lot, you know, uh, friends who either interview me or friends that I know that, you know, I don't— we don't talk all the time, but when they see me, they were like fans from the beginning of PKO. And when they tell me how, you know, how big they think I am, right? Or what my music did to inspire them as a youngster and even as an adult. And what other people might tell them about me, right? And I might blow it off like, yeah. And I might have some friends that, man, you just don't know. You don't know the real impact that you really had, that, you know. And I take it all in, even some more like Pimp C and Bun B would tell me the same shit, bro. And he is, man, I was in the pen listening to your shit, bro. We grew up on your shit, PKO, man. We grew up on your stuff. And that, man, we, we was gangbanging and doing whatever we was doing listening to your stuff. And when people tell me that, it feels good. I ain't gonna lie, you know what I'm saying though. But I don't really be looking at it like, or accepting it really, man, because I just feel like I was just doing what I was doing then, you know. And I'm I'm glad that people, uh, tell me what they really thought of it and what I meant to them, what my music meant to them. You know, it was unbelievable, really. And to be so far under the radar, right? We never signed a major deal, you know what I'm saying? But I got platinum and gold plaques on my wall, you know what I'm saying? Uh, I got all kind of accolades from—

talk your shit, man, come on now.

But I'm just saying though, no, that's like your shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ain't capping, but I'm just saying Yeah, I got all that shit, you know what I'm saying? I got, you know, man, being independent, you know, if you in Texas in the music business back then, especially in the '90s, if you were selling a lot of CDs like us, you was really doing something, 'cause we was controlling all our own shit, you know what I'm saying? CD was $17, we making $12, $13. The distributor get they, what they take on the back end, and we gone, you know? So man, yeah, It's been a ride. When I look back at it though, right, it's been a ride. The accomplishments and the things that we did and accomplished as independent artists from San Antonio, Texas, it was crazy, bro. I mean, I'm talking about they sing my songs in Japan. My boy Shu over in Japan, he booked me, uh, 3 years ago to come to Japan and do a little tour over there. And when I tell you I got greeted with people holding my first ever record, want me to sign it. And some of the shit still had the damn plastic on it. Cassette tapes, CDs, and I'm like, damn! Then I'm performing and they singing my shit word for word. I'm like, God, what was— you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, you know, my wife and I was going to Jamaica. This was 3 years ago. We was going to Jamaica, so our flight took us to New Jersey to Jamaica. When we got to Jamaica, I mean, when we got to New Jersey, we was going through the customs. These two Asian boys stopped, stopped me. Hey man, you Nino? You PKO? Before I answer, you know, my street senses kicked in. Yeah, like, man, who the fuck is this nigga? I don't know who this is, right? So I'm like, I'm looking at him and I said, yeah. Then he go get his boy. He come over there and they asked me, they want to take a picture. So I told my wife, I had to grab my wife, baby, you gotta hit this real quick, because you know what I'm saying, what's the odds of me being in New Jersey, somebody recognizing me from PKO? Yeah, in today's time, I'm 50-some years old at that time, you know. And it was just, she couldn't believe it, you know what I'm saying, that he recognized me as PKO, you know.

That's why I guess I'm sitting up here tripping out, like, this dude don't really, he really don't fucking know, like First of all, you, you just said this like as a matter of fact thing.

I don't mean— I don't want to come off like it's not—

no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's funny because I love when people don't know how dope they are.

I feel— yeah, that part.

Because oftentimes it's just like meeting abroad— sorry, sorry, sorry— meeting a woman, not abroad, meeting a woman. And she bad, she don't know she bad. Like, oh, that's who I need to be with, because she don't understand she a 10. But she think because she don't have on the lashes and the, the makeup and the nails—

you got it, baby, you got it all.

You got it all. You don't even know how bad you did, girl. So you just said like it wasn't nothing. Bum B and Pimp C rocked your shit. Yeah, hold on, nigga, this is Texas legends. Yeah, these are OGs, legends, not just in Texas, in music. Yeah, I hate when people talk about that's a Texas rapper. No, no, no, no, them niggas is— they it, you know what I'm saying? These are it. You go somewhere else, I ain't been to other states, they're like, yo man, have you ever met UGK? Nah, I ain't never met them cats. Man, them niggas— before I leave Houston, I'm going to Triple Burger because I ain't been there yet, but I'm going before I leave here. Yeah, how did you end up meeting them cats, them brothers, like that? Because is that just a rap thing, or you just— did you do music with them? Like, now how did that come about?

Well, for Pimp, I did a project with Pimp, him and one of my artists here in Houston, uh, yeah, my boy, my boy Lil Cisco. Uh, we did a mixtape with Pimp. And we went to Port Arthur. And this is one of the— when he got out the joint, right when he got out, it was like a couple days right after that. And we met him at his mom crib and he came over there and laced up the mixtape for us. He did it and he was telling me then, man, he was calling me Pony J and he was talking about Magic, you know what I'm saying? And it was just a good thing for him. And it made me feel good too, 'cause I like, I didn't believe, or knew that, you know, y'all was jamming my shit, bro. You know what I'm saying? It was just good to know when your peers and somebody that you look up to, yeah, is rocking you. You know what I'm saying? It's just a hell of a feeling, bro.

He seemed like, like he was just a— first of all, he seemed like he was a real, real person. Yeah. Like it wasn't like no fake with Pimp C, right?

Right.

But how was it working with him? Because it seemed like he was about his shit.

Oh, everybody said it was, it was fun, man. It was fun. When you, when you love what you doing for work, it's fun. It was fun. We was in there smoking, rapping, you know. Now me and him didn't do a song together, right, because the song was for, for, uh, my guy. But you know, I take that back. I worked with Pimp C in the '90s when I had— when we had, uh, another artist out of Dallas named Cottonmouth. Yeah, we had Pimp C to get on, on, on his shit. Now at that time we was doing in my opinion, we're doing some things a little backwards though, you know, because I'm like, why we got PMC on Cottonmouth shit? Pimp C need to be on my shit though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Cottonmouth was an artist on our label.

Okay.

But, but it was still ours, but it wasn't me though. I, you know, it shouldn't be. I felt, you know, it should have been a song with me. But then years later, you know, I ended up working with him. I still didn't rap with him, but then he still rapped for my, for my artists at this point that was my artist on my label, and we still did what we had to do.

Have there been any other artists that— matter of fact, not just necessarily, uh, in the rap industry, but now with the film industry. I forgot the gentleman that, that was in the movie Pressure. Uh, I hate to say it like this, but the brother that played Biggie—

oh, Jamal.

Jamal.

Okay.

Yeah, cool cat. Yeah, he's real cool, dude. How did that come about? Because he's like, he's doing it, he's busy all the time, right? You know I'm saying? How did that situation come about?

So, um, a mutual friend of ours, me and him, in Atlanta, I knew that they were real cool, and I hit her up one day kind of like joking, like, hey, ask your dude, you know I'm saying, would he be in— if I did a movie, would he be in my movie? How much would he charge me? Da da da. And she asked him, and then she hit me back and said, hey, he said he'll do it and it's gonna be this. I'm like, oh, okay, all right, cool, I'm gonna get back with you. And then we hooked up, and then once when me and him hooked up, we kind of clicked because he used to be in music back in the day.

Oh, for real?

Yeah, he's a big-time rapper in New York, Gravy.

Really?

Yeah, big-time rapper. Okay, yeah, yeah. So we linked up and then, um, We had formed a company, a movie company for us, for me and him to be partners and to do movies and we'll put them out. It didn't come to fruition, you know, he got busy, then I got busy, then I had got sick, so he got ill as well too though, so we kind of blew it off, but we still are boys and do movies together. He'll be in Houston next month to do my next movie.

How did you— I mean, bro, I mean, I know you're gonna get tired of me saying this. How did you become so business-minded? Now we understand as a teenager you had Chuck E. Cheese doing business deals.

It started from there.

And most people don't understand Chuck E. Cheese was it. Yeah. Back in the gap. And I know you talking about on Walsum.

Yes.

Right by the Church Chicken, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, Windsor Park Mall.

Windsor Park Mall.

But people don't know how big that was. But you've been business-minded, it seems like, your whole life. Like, even the fact that you independent label, you know, because I hear Master P talk about that. Master P was like, yeah, everybody else doing this right here, this is my distribution deal because I made sure, you know, it's been in my whole life, you know, and it started from school, you know what I'm saying?

And, and, you know, and I, you know, I'm not trying to glorify nothing, but I'm just saying, right? So as a youngster 14, I'm selling weed, right? I'm selling weed for the neighborhood weed dude, right? I'm buying quarter pounds and shit at 14, and I'm sacking them up. Yeah, and that's a business. I had transactions that I was doing with people who was buying the weed, right? So early, I had to understand transactions, you know what I'm saying? And what it took. Early I had to understand people, you know what I'm saying? So early, so when you just like watching as a kid, you watch something, you emulate when you grow up, you know what I'm saying? I saw transactions. I was just blessed enough to change it from the, from drugs to business. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? If you could, if you could change it, yeah, and it's hard for people to do it because I'm gonna tell you though, The average drug dealer, that nigga smart.

Yeah, got to be.

You got to be smart, right? Yeah. But then you fall off doing other dumb stupid shit, not trying to protect the smartness of it, and then you fall off. And then that's when, you know, you stay in the game longer than you need to, and then you catch a case, and then you, you stay in the game cuz you got to pay off that case if you ain't got money put up. And then now you in the game again, you still in the game, then you might catch another After that, it's a wrap. Yeah. After that, it's gonna be a wrap. So, you know, you got to be smart enough to get that, to change that dial, you know what I mean?

You know, I, I, have you had— and I know there are moments in your life where it's already there, but have you had a big moment in your life where you like, okay, I'm doing this? Like whether it was a record deal that you did with yourself, you know, with the album that you like, I'm putting this mother— You know I'm saying? Was it when you started doing movies with— I'm on Tubi, you on this, you on all these. What was a big moment in your life where you look back and you say, yeah, this is me. Like, I am really doing the shit. Now, now, I know us as black folks, we don't like to pop our collar, right? Okay, because we've been taught our whole life, especially in church, there are certain things we should be humble, we should be humble, but shit. Yeah, there are times, there's time when you got that moment, you gotta say, you gotta pull up. Yeah, I'm him. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Yes sir.

So is there a moment in your life where you can look back at it and say that was a life-changing moment? Because I was like, nigga, this is— I'm him.

Yeah, I mean, I did, I did that, you know, uh, through my music on certain, on certain things at some point, you know, when I went solo and formed my own record label. That's, you know, I matured from doing all the PKO stuff when I was in San Antonio, but now I'm doing solo stuff. Now it's me and K-Sam, and then it became just me, and I became very, very successful. And I just felt like, man, I'm in my element right now with the music. I got my own label. I'm fucking with all the distributors. They love me, and I'm coming out with good product and a lot. So I felt like, okay, yeah. I'm good. I'm dealing with people on the West Coast, uh, E-40, them, B-Legit, all the niggas in the Bay Area we was fucking with. So it felt good coming from San Antonio, man. I remember one time living in S.A., it was the second album, PKO album, and I was in jail. I was in jail for 4 months, man, riding on the case. And, and, um Magic get me out of jail. The next day we on a plane going to Oakland, California to perform. And we out there performing, and there's a number of Bloods at this— at that— at that time. And, uh, they singing my shit in Oakland, nigga. And I'm like, damn, nigga, they fucking with us in Oakland. They singing. I mean, it's very— it's, it's mind-boggling when you go out of the country or out of your state and somebody's singing your music, bro. Yeah, it's a whole different high, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's a whole different high. So, you know, but now, yeah, it's, you know, different little moments where you feel like— I felt like, you know, I got this shit on lock. I'm doing, I'm doing what I'm doing from, from, from the music, then from the marketing. I got really good with my, with my marketing company, so good that I sold it. I had it for 2 years and I built it up and I sold it for 6 figures, you know what I'm saying? Went from there to, uh, well, me and my wife, we, me and my wife have a lot of different businesses. We're into real estate, so we got a lot of different properties. And then we was kicking ass in real estate, you know? And I'm just like, man, you know, ups and downs like with anything else though, but we was, we was really hitting our stride in real estate. And then from there I'm like, okay, do some movie— or I got back out of retirement from the music and was doing some Southern Soul shit with Marcus, you know what I'm saying? And then from there, I seen very quickly that, okay, this is gonna be a Titanic, a sinking ship. This ain't got the money for me as far as in the music, like the music that I was putting out, right? But for me, I'm a master at pivoting. So I'm like, well, okay, and maximizing some shit. So I'm like, okay, I'm in this genre of Southern soul. They got their own community, hundreds of thousands of motherfuckers who love. So, okay, but they ain't got no movie about they shit. I'm gonna be the first one to do a movie for them. Oh yeah, that's where the Southern Soul movie idea came from. Okay, you know what I'm saying though? But it derived from me, uh, investing and Marcus, I'm putting him out because we was kicking ass in Southern Soul for a whole year. And then I'm like, you know what, really the second month that I had him, I said, you know what, I got him, I got this other female artist, Southern Soul artist, I need to do a movie now because that's how my mind work, is always racing to what can I do next, you know what I'm saying. So I did the movie and I got big with that movie because people forget I did a movie in 1998 in San Antonio before I moved from San Antonio. I know that it was called Illegal Amigos with some Mexicans. Same typical storyline, right? Uh, nigga, we balling in the game, we trying to get out the dope game, be rappers or whatever, whatever, right? It was the same thing. But that movie is somewhat on YouTube right now. It was on VHS. I put it out through distributors. It wouldn't— it got distributed nationwide, you know what I'm saying? And then I, once I started, became really good by myself with the music, I would put that, the same movie, in a DVD package for a bonus just to give it away. I wasn't even trying to sell it at that point. I just want, I just want to give it away just to put more stock into my, into my, into my, uh, my music, you know what I'm saying? Somebody gonna buy this now because it's a double CD with a, with a damn movie giveaway. Yeah, I mean, just brilliant marketing even back then, bro, you know what I'm saying? To make it go, bro, you That's what I'm saying.

Like, you, you've been doing this. I've been doing it, you know what I'm saying? So when people see you, uh-huh, they see your swagger, they see, you know, you, you coming through doing what you do or whatever. It might be a dumb question, but I'm gonna ask anyway. Are you ever, or have you ever found yourself trying to dim your light to make other people comfortable? Because I've heard different artists say, well, over here I don't want to make them feel bad. Or it's even better, going around family, and family remember when they always have a conversation about, well, I remember when this was going on, this was going on. Do you find yourself trying to dim your light, or do you just be like, no, this is who I am?

It's just who I am, man. It's just who I am. Okay, I'm saying I don't try to dim my life for nothing or for nobody, you know what I'm saying? I, uh, but I do understand, uh, I'm not always on, on go though, especially over the last few years, you know. I didn't got really laid back and chill though, you know what I'm saying? So now to me, I don't shine as bright, you know what I'm saying? I don't think so. I might come around and be around people though, you know, and I'm just being me though, you You know what I'm saying? But nah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't dim my light. I'm always gonna be me. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna try to inspire somebody to do something too though. You know, I probably would never stop doing that either though. Like, you know, I'm, and I got it bad always trying to, cause part of my gift in life is helping people, man. Networking with people, connecting bridges for other people. That's just what I do. Now whether you receive it or not, that's all on you, dog. You know what I'm saying? I help people and, um, you know, it's just, that's just me. I help a lot, even for San Antonio, I help a lot of people. Like I invite people into something, you know, and people who I might not even grew up with, or we might not even really kicked it when I was in SA though. But guess what? If I got something going on and if I think you doing something in SA, if I can help you, whether even you're in SA or have to have you come to Houston, I'm gonna try to help that person if I can. Yeah, and hopefully, you know, saying somebody can make some of it.

So let me, let me tell you how you did me without even knowing it. Hmm. So caught me at a time financially, I was hurt. I was fucking hurt. I'm like, this is one of my heroes. This is one of my OGs, you know I'm saying, and I'm like, damn, I gotta make it. I gotta go up there, right? So I did the movie, we did our thing or whatever, and you don't even know this, but When the movie came out, I'm at Horizons and More and I'm on the patio. And it's funny because actually K-Sam was DJing, right? And we're on the patio, K-Sam talking this shit like he always do, and this dude kept staring at me. So now I'm sitting up here like, okay, and I'm still jamming, but this nigga kept staring at me, right?

Yeah.

So I'm doing my thing or whatever, and then he did his girl, she looked, she's like, yeah. And I was like, oh shit. So I put my drink down. So because now I'm like, okay, I'm about to have to handle this.

Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So then he started walking towards me Now he didn't even see the feet change because now I'm in, I mean, like, okay, yeah, yeah, let me see where you at, right? And before he got right here, he's like, dog, were you in this movie? You was a preacher, weren't you? And you looked at the camera, you looked at the camera. I said, he told the girl, I told you I was him. Boy, you a fool, boy.

He had to point out the look at the camera though, right? When I saw it, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you could have cut that out.

I know, I should have on the editing No, no, that's the joke of it. Like, nigga, you can't get right. You looked at the camera. Yeah, you know better than that. But what you don't know is that when I posted that and I did whatever, how many people asked me to be in their movies? Wow. See, but they were not serious about, well, I'm about to start writing, right? I might not say, well, what kind of cameras you got? You know, I know. Oh, well, not, you know, right now we're just using iPhone. Bro, I don't think y'all understand, you know what I'm saying? I've been in Nino's movie, nigga. You know what I'm saying, nigga? I've been in Nino's movie, nigga. You can't do that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know. So again, I just wanted you to know that you inspire more than you know. You do more than you know. I hate when someone passes away. God, God bless the dead. Then All of a sudden Nipsey was the king. Y'all ain't know none of Nipsey's shit before he died, you know what I'm saying? There are people in this industry, just in entertainment, who have been blessing people. And unfortunately, because some of us feel like y'all are larger than life, but we don't have access to y'all, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to my cousin Lucky, you know what I'm saying? That, you know, you know, that's like, nigga, my cousin. So it's, we have access fortunately, just being from San Antonio, right? But I wanted you to know that I'm thankful. I wanted you to know that you inspire us. I wanted you to know that you helped us turn corners, you know I'm saying? Because believe you me, when I came up here, that was 100% credit cards because I was hurting financially, you know I'm saying? But I was like, man, if I could just be in this man's presence.

I remember you telling me something about you getting your transportation together to try to make it, and but I'm gonna come up there, dawg, just let me— you know I'm saying? I didn't know how deep it was. All I— all, you know, you just say, hey man, it was— it was the fact that you asked me, right?

Because again, y'all don't— it was the fact that you just— you just asked me, right? And like I said, when I tell K-Sam and I talked to AK and everything, they were like, why you always— I said, y'all don't get it. Because again, we're so busy building the dream that we don't understand that Some of us are admiring the fuck out of y'all, right? Right. So I want to tell you thank you. I definitely want to tell you thank you. Uh, as we close out the interview, I want people to know how they can watch your stuff, how they can support with everything that you got going on, right? And we're gonna clip the hell out of it to let them know that this nigga is it.

Yes, sir.

So look at, uh, that that camera right there and just let everybody know what you got going on.

Yeah, so we got a few different things going on, right? So let me just put you on a little game real quick. So I appreciate everybody who's been rocking with me for years in San Antonio, man, supporting me in all my transitions, whatever, uh, business ventures that I'm doing, moving city to city, state to state. But as you know, I'm gonna always rep the tone. Spurs for life. I don't give a damn where I'm at. I argue with niggas in Houston in the Toyota Center every time I go to a game with the Spurs, but I'm wearing my Iceman jersey. So it is what it is, right? But I appreciate everybody that's been rocking with me for all this time, man. And, um, you know, with all my music— my music is still streaming. You can go get any Nino or PKO music, just download it and stream it, you know what I'm saying? And I appreciate you for that. Now, as far as my, my movies, uh My movies are on all the platforms, right? Again, Bittersweet, Pressure, One, uh, The Maintenance Man, You, Me and She, uh, My Deadly Crush, and Bad Intentions. Just go to Tubi and, uh, Amazon Prime or whatever other platform and, and stream it, man. Stream it 2 or 3, 4 times, you know what I'm saying? Put it on your phone. I need the views, I need the clicks, baby. So, so look out for me. Help support me. I appreciate And the movies are coming up, you know, getting better and better with the production, with the song, with the, uh, with the, uh, uh, the storytelling, and they even with the talent. So everything is kind of like leveling up, man. So please don't give up on me yet, just keep on following me, and I, I appreciate you. Now also, if you also, uh, in Texas, and if you're in the market of getting a home or whatever, you know, we have the perfect, uh, mortgage company that to get you approved for a loan, to get you into any kind of property, VA, commercial, or personal, just go to luxemortgage.com. You can hit us up and, hey man, that's what we do.

What is that again?

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Hey, and one more thing before I close out, right? Anybody that's facing anything in life, man, you could, you could, you can come through it. You can over coming. Most of the time, if you consistent, if you got faith, man, and you got this, that strong, uh, support system behind you, you can do it. Don't let nobody tell you you can't. You can do it. You can do it. It's called turning corners, you know. The name of the podcast is called Turning Corners for a reason, right? So I've turned the corner in my life, several corners actually, though, you know what I'm saying? But God has been blessing me, saving an old ratchet like me, so he could do it for you as well. If he did it for me, he could do it for you. Just don't let people in your ear try to kill your dreams, man, because people will kill your dreams. They'll kill your dreams. And I don't care what city you in watching this, don't let nobody kill your dreams. Stand on your business, man. If a nigga say you too old to be rapping, and you might be old, but keep rapping, especially if you get a check. Hey, you know what I'm saying? If I rap and people say, hey man, you got gray beard, Nigga, almost 6 years. Well, I'm doing it for a reason, nigga. I'm getting paid still to do a rap song or to do whatever I'm doing on the music side. So you can't hate on somebody who's trying to do right. If they driving an Uber, if they rapping, man, he trying to make money or she's trying to make money. You gotta get them their props, man. Get them their flowers now, man. So you can do it, you can overcome, okay? And just turn that corner, baby. That's all you got to do, turn that corner. Love it, brother.

Love it, brother. Yeah. Hey, man, I appreciate you.

I appreciate you, man. For real, man. For sure, brother.

Thank y'all for tuning in. Turning Corners, my shit.

Here, I just— shit.

Turning Corners. I appreciate y'all again. It's Ray. Can you get right? I holla. Oh my God, man, crazy. Good thing about being the— you understand, you blessed with Bro, like you always let me.

We turn a corn.