Who Runs the Club? | Dj K-Sam speaks

Life is too short, bitch.

Now turn that corner.

Real player, real player, dream chaser. When the DJ leaves the club, the crowd will leave the club. We really in charge. We're the most important part of the club.

Welcome, welcome, welcome. This is, uh, your boy Ray Can't Get Right, Turning Corners. I am excited. I'm excited about today's guest, an originator DJ San Antonio, one of the baddest DJs in the city, one of the baddest rappers in the city, a Dream Chaser, one of the first Dream Chasers I ever saw. You gonna get into that in a minute, but this man right here means so much to me, so much to the city, so much to San Antonio, so much to hip-hop. This what people don't understand. This is a hip-hop man that a lot of people, they forgot about because he does other stuff behind the scenes, but I am just have to say, what's up, K-Sam?

How you doing, Mr. Can't Get Right?

Say, man, listen, listen, when I tell you I'm excited, I am excited. I'm excited because you are definitely one of the first dream chasers I ever saw. You, PKO, my cousin Lil Sam, Y'all are some of the first Dream Chasers. I ain't know what the hell it was. I know why y'all was so excited. I ain't know why. So I just want to start off by even saying this right here. First of all, thank you. Hey, thank you for always, um, so let me, let me tell you something that you don't know.

Okay, okay.

I had a dead-end job trying to figure out what I was going to do with my life. We was at a club on Ritterman Road. Right by the Church's Chicken.

Cotton Club.

Cotton Club. All day I was trying to figure out the name of that club. Y'all mobbed in there like y'all own the bar. I am sitting at the bar now. I knew you, but I'm, I'm a little Ray. I'm, I'm Preaching Ray. I'm, I'm at the bar and I'm watching y'all, right? And you said, we go broke on this one, we just gonna go broke because we gonna get it this time. And I looked at you and I was like, what the hell are they talking about? What do you mean if I go broke, we gonna get it this time? And it was, it was, it was a whole bunch of y'all. Y'all was toasting up and I was like, who are these niggas? Now I knew you from this around. I knew you because you would tell me to take my ass home. You, you, I knew you on Old Ham. Yeah. What was he in Bound Lot? You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Yeah. And that particular day I was like, who is this guy? Now I heard the song on the radio player, uh, Player Haters. Player Haters. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's what we were doing.

Hey, I tried to tell him a long time ago. Same man, same. I was like, this guy, what is he doing? And it stayed in my mind because the only other person I saw that excited in this city. Mm-hmm. Was Lil' Sin. Shout out to my kinfolk.

Shout out to Lil' Sin.

Lil' Sin, what does it mean to you to be a dream chaser?

To be a dream chaser.

Hmm.

That's an excellent question, Ray. And I'm going to give you my best answer. What the society puts as dreams is to go after not necessarily what you fall asleep and you dreaming, but to necessarily go after what you dream to have in life. So being a dream chaser to me is to go out there and get it. Now, as I've gotten older and wiser, you gotta watch your steps on how you go get it. Yes, sir. Believe me, I know. I'm living proof. I'm able to sit here. Yeah. After chasing my dreams. I had my dream.

Yeah.

They took it away, but I'm comfortable.

Okay, okay.

So chasing a dream is just going out and getting Whatever is going to make you better as a person in life.

I, I, you know, I like that because so many people are stagnant. So many people are comfortable with day-to-day living, check to check, right, right, week to week. And I'm not dogging anybody. That's who you are, God bless you, right, right. But there are some of us with little to no guidance says, I want to do that. I want to do what those people on TV are doing. I want to do what I saw this guy Cotton Club doing.

Right, right.

I want to have this passion that I have not seen anybody else in my family with. Now, it's not dogging your family, but it's a reality that a lot of times when you are a dream chaser, you don't have nobody else You know, there's no blueprint, right?

You're right.

You know what I'm saying? And what I always say, dream chasers or trailblazers smell like smoke.

Okay, makes sense.

Because we're the one that's lighting the path for other people to follow, right? And I will say this to you, hands down, you are a trailblazer in my eyes. Okay, you know what I'm saying? You know, appreciate it. And every week when I see you, you look like you're having fucking fun.

Fine. If I could comment.

Okay, go on.

One thing about tracing, chasing dreams, you got to have fun while you're doing it.

Oh, come on.

No matter what you do, I don't care if you're working at McDonald's, I don't care where you at, the only way you're going to be better and get closer to your dream is to enjoy the journey getting there. If you don't enjoy the journey, the dream ain't the dream.

But how you do that though? Because let's be real, okay, like, like, you know, keep it a buck. There are times where it's hard to enjoy the journey because you got haters, you got people that disrespect, you got family members who don't get it, you got loved ones, maybe somebody that you sleep next to don't understand that passion that you have inside of you. What, what, what would you tell somebody that's saying, you know what, I want to— whether it be a DJ, a comedian, or whatever— I want to go out there and chase my dream? What do you tell people like that? And then we're going to talk about the dream, because most people don't understand what you have done for this city, you know what I'm saying? Most people don't understand. They know NWA, but they don't know PKO, right? Right. Oh, I'm just going to— come on.

Yeah, well, boy, I can't wait till we get to that P, that K, and that O.

Come on now, boy. Come on.

But what you need to program your mind to do with, uh, the haters, the significant other, the family— everybody's not going to support where you want to go in life. They're not. Some people are going to try to knock you off your horse. Some people are gonna knock you off your horse.

Wow.

Some people, even yourself, you might knock yourself off the horse just because you're in a position that you really don't want to be in. But if you take that position as, like, for instance, I said working at McDonald's, if you take that position as, okay, I'm gonna get up here in McDonald's and I'm gonna learn everything about this business because this might be one of the steps or it might be the step that might put me where I want to be. So whenever you work a job, you learn everything about the job. No matter how you start young, you real good.

I like that.

Yeah. You go in wanting to run the building. You go in wanting to be the manager. Just don't go in and get your check. Go in and learn the business. No matter what you do, you could be at H-E-B bagging, but where you, your goal should be, I want to learn everything about this business so I can get to where my boss is driving these nice cars to work or doing, you know, vice versa. Once you learn everything about every step you take, you have so much ammunition that now chasing your dream can go in 10 different directions. You know, I work at my homeboy restaurant, Mark Outing's. Let me throw that in there. Mark Outing's Burger. I worked there because I had to work there. I needed a check stub. I didn't need the money. And I said, okay, I'm just going to do this while I have to. We ain't going to talk about why I have to. But I got up in there and I like what I'm doing. I'm probably one of the best employees he ever had in his life. I'm smiling, I'm cheesy, everybody likes me in there.

Now get me right from wrong, is that Magic Mark?

Magic Mark, my boy.

No, no, okay, now we're gonna go ahead because that's magic. Again, we're gonna talk about that, so therefore people can connect the two, right, that don't know the history of— okay, go ahead.

Understood, understood. But my thing, even with his business I'm learning everything about selling burgers, selling food. I got a certificate for management now. I got a certificate for food handler. I never in my life had no intentions on handling no damn food. You know, I'm a street dude, man. I don't handle no food. But I got the credentials now to, okay, If I want to franchise Mark's, I go out, find me a building, I know what to do, he's going to guide me the rest of the way, and I'm there. It's making money, been there 21 years, successful.

Wow.

These are just parts of chasing dreams. You might not get there because you want to be this type of, you know, I want to, okay, I want to own a business. You might not get to own that business, but you might make enough money to keep you comfortable enough for you to be happy working for the business.

I like that. I like that because one of the things I have learned in life is a lot of people want to be the chief before they're the Indian. A lot of people want to be the pastor before they're the social minister. Drink is a little strong. They want to be a lot— a lot of people don't understand that there's a genesis, there's a, a birthplace of where you have to start. And if you start from the bottom Therefore, when you move up, you've already learned all types of things. Matter of fact, I, I know when I first started this podcast thing, there's a lot of stuff I didn't know, right? And I was recently looking for somebody to help me out and do this right here, and they, they gave me some numbers and stuff. I said, but what are you going to be doing? They said, I do this, this, this. And I started laughing. I'm saying, bro, you know I know how to do all that already, right? Oh, well, you know, it's just this. And I started laughing because if I wouldn't have took the steps, right, of learning lights, learning sound, learning angles, and, you know, learning ratio of what to put on what podcast. This is ratio for, uh, Instagram, this is for TikTok. And you're right, I would, I would have got swindled like, oh, that's a good deal, because I didn't know, right? So what you're saying makes a whole lot of sense. I, I, I gotta start here though. Why DJ? Because, because first of all, your name is fucking K-Sam. There's no other DJ in this mother— why DJing of all the things you could have done? Now I've been knowing you a long time. You have, you know what I'm saying? Matter of fact, I thought about it earlier, it's close to 35 years, bro.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's not long enough.

About 35 years. That's a lot. We both had dark hair. Matter of fact, I had hair. I had hair. I had hair.

Yeah, yeah, you did.

So what made you say, I want to be a DJ?

Okay, now this is a good story because I haven't told too many people this. Okay, so you gonna be the first one to get it on there.

Okay, well let me put the camera on you. There you go.

DJing. First off, I started DJing 7, 8 years old.

No shit.

I've been DJing for 50+ years. I was DJing in NCO clubs at 9 years old. Now let me tell you how and why.

Okay, okay, okay.

My daddy's a DJ.

Really?

My daddy was in the military. My daddy DJed all over the world. My dad used to throw concerts. Marvin Gaye— I'm sitting there in the booth, 7 years old, watching Marvin Gaye perform at an NCO club overseas. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad had a wall full of equipment. Reel-to-reels, y'all don't know nothing about that one. 8-track players. I'm talking turntables of every kind because my dad worked at a stereo store overseas and he was a stereo fanatic. So at 8 years old, I had a whole DJ setup before even hip-hop. I had a whole DJ setup in my room at 8 years old. So I've been DJing before hip-hop. I was DJing with regular music, regular artists.

So did your dad teach you how to DJ?

My daddy taught me and two of my friends how to DJ. Now let me get this. All right. K-Sam. Uh-huh. K-Sam is four DJs. It's not just me.

No shit.

No shit. The K stands for DJ Cassandra. That's my daddy. My daddy, DJ Cassandra.

Oh, wait, give us some history now, come on.

The M is, I mean, yeah, the K. The K is DJ Cassandra. The S, these are the last names of the proteges my daddy raised. The S is Simon. DJ I-Rock, Victor Simon. The A is Marcus D. Anthony. He also goes by K-Sam. And this is a white guy, white slash Spanish. We all out of California. The M is me. My last name is Meadows. I can say that now. Half the majority of the city never even know my real name. They think I'm K-Sam. The M is Meadows. That stands for K-Sam. This is 4 DJs right here. That's what K-Sam is. We are K-Sam DJs. Originated in Victorville, California.

You just got me. Yeah, because you've never—

I didn't expose it, but you know, I'm getting old now. Hell, I got to leave something.

That's crazy, man.

That's what DJ K-Sam stands for. 4 DJs. My daddy, the number 1, and then the rest of us who he taught. And all of us still DJ today. And I'm the youngest, so my other 2 brothers are older than me. I always ran with older niggas.

That's why.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So hold on, man, that's, that's, that's crazy because, you know, one thing about black folks, uh-huh, we don't ask real names, right? K-Sam, and then you K-Sam.

I'm K-Sam.

Yeah, I ain't— yeah, Nino, you Nino, you need— you know what I'm saying? You match Mark, you make— I'm, you know, we don't ask questions like that, you know what I'm saying?

Right.

And the fact that you shared that with us, I appreciate that. Hey, because no, no, because, you know, I'm gonna clip the fuck out of this. I bet y'all niggas didn't know that.

There's a lot that they don't know that you gonna get today if you ask for it.

All right, let's, let's, let's, let's talk about— let's, let's go to the— to where there is no— and I'm gonna make some people mad.

Oh man, let's make them mad.

There's no group in San Antonio that I know of that has more notoriety, more impact has been more of a trailblazer for hip-hop. Now we know Mel Waiters. Mel Waiters, that's— but that's a whole different genre. Oh, we know this Bad Boy, you know what I'm saying? We know Marcus Calloway is doing his thing. There's a lot of people in this city doing great things, and I'm proud of everybody. I don't— I'm not here to shit on nobody, but for me, PKO was it. PKO, pounds, kilos, and ounces. For those who don't know, just Google it, YouTube it, whatever. How did that get started? And I need some stories because AK— where the camera at? AK punk ass stood me up.

Uh-oh.

And he went all the way to Houston. He stood me up.

You was in his town.

But something came up. I'm just fucking with you.

I was about to say damn.

No, no, you know that's my dog in real life. But what, what, what, what is PKO? What's the genesis of it? How did y'all get started? Who's the creator?

Let's talk, let's talk, let's talk. Now this is really gonna take y'all for a loop too, because I'm gonna keep it real, and I don't care what the members say or nobody who originated it or anything of that nature. I'm gonna keep it 1000. Okay, sometimes the truth hurt. But this is very pleasurable. It's gonna be PKO. Let me tell you how it started and where it started from. PKO started from Roosevelt High School. Come on, Roosevelt High School. Mark's first year, Magic Mark. Keep it and keep the names. Magic Mark, Pony J. Okay. And K-Sam, the first dude I met when I went to Roosevelt High School fresh from California was Pony J. How I met him, he sold me a pinner-ass joint in the bathroom in Roosevelt High School, then asked me to smoke it with the nigga.

Come on, man.

And we did. Went right across the street to Windsor Park Mall, found us a little cool, little chill spot, and we sat up there and smoked all his weed. I bought all his joints, and we sat there and smoked them all at lunchtime, walked our ass right back to the schoolhouse. That's how—

yeah, about what year was this?

I came in '80, I want to say '83, '84.

Really?

'83, '84. Yeah, I graduated '86. I only did 2 years here, so '84, '85, '86. Yeah, so '83, '84 school year, Roosevelt.

Okay, okay, that makes Roosevelt.

Mark had just transferred to Roosevelt. Pony J was going to Roosevelt. This is all our first year there.

And, and for those who don't know, Roosevelt then is not the Roosevelt now.

No, nowhere near, because it was, it was nowhere near it.

It was when I got there, I got the Roosevelt '87, right? It was not a lot of us over there at all.

There wasn't a lot of us over there.

So the fact that you said, yeah, y'all did that, yeah, that's crazy.

Okay, okay, okay. Now back to the story.

Okay, my bad. Roosevelt.

They knew I was a DJ. I was a DJ when I got here. I had my own equipment and everything. This is, uh, junior year high school. They were just beginning to start rapping, so we wanted to figure out a way how we can make some money first. Mark was always about the money. He always came to school slacks, a briefcase, hard bottom shoes. This is Mark in high school. This brother walked around with a briefcase. He had business on his mind.

Come on.

Always. Magic Mark.

Nino said the same thing.

Go ahead. Magic Mark always did. Now, PKO, we came up with a name, PKO, but PKO wasn't Pounds, Keys, and OZs yet. We was still in high school. We didn't know nothing about no Pounds. Well, we knew a little bit about some pounds, but we didn't know nothing about them keys and them OZs. Okay. PKO stood for 5, Phi Krep Omega. We thought we was gonna be some high school fraternity type shit.

Are you serious?

That's exactly what it was. Now when you reiterate—

hold on, hold on, hold on—

Nino or Magic Mark Phi Krep Omega. We had t-shirts that said it, you know, the little velvet letters.

Nobody ever heard this before.

PKO stood for Phi Krep Omega. This before AK, it's just us three. Me, Mark, and Jake. It's just us three. And how we got started, we threw a party at Chuck E. Cheese on Walzer.

Yes, yes.

It was called a lockout, the first lockout in the city. You get there at 7 or 8 o'clock, you pay your money, they lock the doors, and you can't leave till your parents come get you at 6 in the morning.

Wait, wait, wait. So y'all had the first lockout?

The very first lockout in San Antonio for black—

And you talking about the one on Walzer?

The one on Wallace, right across the street from Roosevelt, catty-corner, a little way down the street. It was packed. We sat on that floor at the end of the night when everybody left and they gave us our little bread and we thought we was the richest niggas on earth. We had a big pile of ones and fives and tens, a couple of twenties. But man, we sat there and looked at that money like we found our niche. Phi Krep Omega. That was the junior year. The senior year, I ended up going to Judson 'cause my mom and them moved. So I went to Judson. Mark and Jake kind of stayed where they were. And then they were like, you know what? This is when hustling came around. The beginning of hustling. Not the beginning of hustling like the beginning, but it was when the era came in. I ain't gonna just get into detail, but the era came in. So Mark and Jake, you know, they got in them streets and started hustling. They was true Eastside brothers. See, I'm not an Eastsider. The Eastside inherited me, right? Gotcha. I'm not from the East, I'm from California. Gotcha. So once they got into the streets, you know, everything else— because, because then that little money we saw on the floor, that was daily, you know, that money was daily in these streets. And, you know, that's where we went up, so Once we got enough bread to produce our own music, to press our own records, because that's back then, it wasn't no internet.

So y'all was actually doing the pressing?

We pressed our own records, we recorded and had our own cassettes because there wasn't no CDs. We had all our stuff done with our own finances. We didn't never sign a deal. We never ever had no help. We took our street money and invested it into the rap game, our promotions, everything. Everything we did, we funded.

So I, I—

but hold on real quick. Oh, I'm sorry, I gotta do the name change. Once we started with the rap thing, we changed the name to where the money came from. Pounds, Keys, and OZs. That's where the name came from. But remember where it was first. We thought we was some little college high school niggas with a fraternity.

Well, but, but see, here's the thing about it that's, that's blowing my mind, because I, I definitely get it. Because, you know, we hear stories about NWA and we hear, you know, how Eazy-E was doing what he was doing, right? Dre now was like, hey, how about you, coming to his music thing and all the other stuff. But what people don't understand is that street people, street pharmaceuticals, right, are some of the, the smartest people on earth because they understand, they understand profit, they understand the market, right? They understand their customers, right? They understand, uh, re-putting, putting money back into the business.

You got to.

And a lot of times people frown on it. I get it because it's illegal, right? But here y'all are, young cats, and y'all decided let's recycle this money and put it into something legit.

Put it into something.

What made y'all do that? And, and I, I want to say this because there's some people right now that might be watching the podcast, and you know, unfortunately they out there because they don't see an end. A lot of us, I've been there. Oh, well, you out there, you know, whether it's the Austin Arms and the Glen, whatever, you doing your thing. Right. And you're like, I don't say into this, let me just keep going. What made y'all say, you know what, this right here— because the years you're talking about, right, and we're going to get into this in a minute, it's right around the time N.W.A. Yeah.

Oh yeah. And right when they—

Ghetto Boys and a lot of other guys was doing the exact same thing.

We were right.

What made y'all in San Antonio— gotta put this out— San Antonio is not known for music. Not at all.

Still not known.

No, I'm I mean, it's very true. Yeah, I mean, what made y'all say we gonna take this and do something different with it?

Well, the passion that Magic Mark, Pony J, now known as Nino— they had passion. They was— they were rappers. Actually, let me take that back. We were all rappers, but the passion that Pony J, AKA Nino, he was the creator. He wrote all our lyrics. He was the storyteller. He wrote everything. He wrote my lyrics for my CD. He wrote all of Mark's lyrics. He wrote all of his lyrics. So he was the vision of every song that we put out. That was his creations.

You know what, and, and I, I don't want to graze over that because First of all, that means I gotta use your voice in my head when I write your lyrics.

Yeah, you do.

You know what I'm saying? Because when we think about— we hear about that Jay-Z and how he wrote, uh, Still D.R.A.Y. He did. And the fact that you're from the East Coast, right, you know, and you're writing some West Coast lyrics that hit, and he had to put it in West Coast form to fit whoever the speaker was who was gonna recite those.

That's exactly what Nino did.

Who now is doing all kinds of movies. Shout out to Nino, you know what I'm saying?

Love to my brother.

Doing his thing, you know, like y'all check out his movies on Tubi. He's doing his shit. A bunch of them. I was in one. I don't like the take that he got me looking at the camera, but that's a whole nother thing. Like, we did all them takes, you gonna use that one? Hey, hey. But real talk though. The fact that y'all even said, I'ma listen to you, right? Because, you know, today that's, that's a different type of— I, I ain't read none of these damn questions. I know this shit is, this shit is dope.

This is gonna be a long interview.

No, because I, I appreciate the fact that as a dream chaser, y'all humbled yourself to say, we're gonna let you do what you do, right? And we're gonna— because nowadays it's about competition.

Yeah, we wasn't worried about no competition because we were our own competition. We were impressing ourselves. We wasn't worried about nobody else. We weren't worried about what the city thought of us. And not to hate on the city, this is our city, we love the city, but we going through the same— we went through the same things that the majority of the entertainment today is going through. The city just You know, there's not enough here to push for you.

Yeah.

So we went outside the city, spent our money promoting other places that got us on Billboard. We made Billboard a few times. That we went outside the city to get the love that we should have got right here in the city while we was trying to put the city on. And we got a lot of love outside the city. They're playing our stuff on radio. Ohio, Tennessee, Atlanta, Houston even gave us love before the city San Antonio gave us love, and there was a Black station at that time. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had, we had, we had, we had an outlet, but it just wasn't for them, I guess. I don't know, I never asked. We never cared. We just kept it moving and we got our love outside and then brought it back home and got a little love from the city.

And then y'all went on tour.

Oh yeah, we did that. Now we went on tour because of what happened outside the city. Talk about it now. First tour, DJ Quick. We had a couple dates with Tupac.

Really?

This was that long ago. We did 2 shows with Tupac, one in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.

Pine Bluff?

Oh my God. Yes, the club had a damn pool in it. I ain't never seen no shit like that in the country in my life, but the club had a pool in it. Tupac was there, we were there, Quick was there. We was all there. Kaleem, we did shows with Quick, Kaleem, UGK. We was tailgating everybody, but we wasn't tailgating because of what the city did for us. We was tailgated because of what we did outside the city that had these other people interested in having us tag along on they tours. Beautiful thing, but we couldn't get it right here. And I hate that with our city still to this day. I hate that with our city. Now, one of the main problems with it is you entertainers need to get together. Mass entertaining, everybody connecting as one. We can, we can push some stuff out of here. But everybody thinks that they're so good that they don't need him and he don't need her, that he don't need that and he don't need that.

Speak, speak, speak.

You need everybody. Prime example, I forgot the dude's name, little Mexican dude went to, uh, Clements High School. He's the largest entertainer rapper out of San Antonio, period. He sold out the Frostbank Center. Y'all know what I'm talking about. Yeah, uh, Man, I have to Google. I'm going to Google him. I'm going to say his name before he go, but I forgot the dude's name because he doing his thing. And I don't care who hates it, who feels like they're better. Better is proof in the pudding is if you can go to the Frostbank Center and sell it out. And that Mexican did that. And I compliment him. The other big entertainer, like you said, Mel Waiters. I used to DJ at the NCO Club.

And he had to leave San Antonio.

Yeah, he had to leave San Antonio. Oh man, these people know Mel Waiters better outside the city than they know him here.

It's true.

Than they know him here. The man passed away and got a street name.

Yeah.

I know Mel Waiters. He used to sing in the NCO Club. I remember that, yeah. At Fort Sam while I was DJing in the other room. I used to always come in there and watch him. There'd be about 20 or 30 of us sitting there and 300, 400 other people in the DJ room. But now, well, before, may he rest in peace, my man, we still talking about you, we love you. Yeah, he come back here and sell it out. Yeah, sell it out.

So, so been on tour Uh-huh. Because we talked about this at the club.

Uh-huh.

What's some things, if you don't mind, okay, some things you saw on the tour that, you know, other people— because you've been on tour with Tupac, you've been on tour with DJ Quick.

Yes, yes.

Uh, who had a peculiar time in San Antonio. I'm just gonna say that.

Yeah, life was fun.

He didn't know. He didn't know. He didn't know. He didn't know. Don't let the smooth taste fool you.

No, he didn't know. Yeah, it wasn't like Remy and Hennessy, baby.

Come on now, he—

he found out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, it is what it is. It is. But give me some stories if you don't mind. Uh, just been on tour with N.W.A., uh, UGK, Tupac. You actually met Tupac?

I met him. I did.

I, I got it.

Come on, man. Tupac. That's like, that's like somebody that's like At that time, at that time, back in the mid-'90s, mid-'90s, everybody was real humble. It wasn't like I was better than him, or they were better than us, or the opening act was better than this. Everybody was real humble because everybody was on the same mission, and the mission was to get these people to like our music, to buy our music, because back then music paid. Yeah, yeah, you buy a cassette, we get— we eating. You buy a CD, we eating. You buy an album, we eating. Nowadays you can go get the album paying $9 a month on some streaming stuff, you know. So the music game is horrible today. It's still money, but it's, it's just horrible. You don't get paid like you used to. So everybody was humble. They were all on the same page. It was okay, yeah, your name is up here and our name is down here. But if we're all rocking together on tour, then everybody is right here. Couldn't nobody tell us, oh man, y'all just the opening act, whoop-de-whoop. Nah, we came in with clout, nigga. We don't have nobody behind us but these 20 niggas rolling with us. And we kept 20 niggas with us at all times. Didn't nobody fuck with us on the road. They didn't. But stories, yeah, Tupac, Real brief. I didn't talk to him much, but it was real brief. But he was so humble. He didn't treat us like we were the underdog. He didn't treat us like we were down below. He treated us just like we were one of him.

So this is Brenda Has a Baby, Tupac, very first Tupac. Yeah, this is back in the apocalypse, you know, right, right.

This is, uh, I want to say this is before Death Row. No, no, no, no, this was right during Death Row because he died in '96. So I'm thinking we were moving around around '94, '95. So yeah, this was at the right when he— this was after Brenda and right at the beginning of Death Row is when we did our shows with him. We only did a few. We only did a few. We did more with Quik, a lot more with UGK, because we were on the Texas circuit then. So we did, we did a few more with UGK. And, uh, but everybody was real cool, man, back then. Everybody was humble and everybody was hungry. Yeah. So it wasn't no competition thing. It was like, man, if we can bring more people in get exposed, then we good. And that's what it was back then. And as far as being on the road, we didn't get all the, the glorified stories because we were funding ourselves. We wasn't there like, okay, we're gonna get the big check. And now we were opening up for these big guys, so we were there, you know, just, just having fun.

But it's—

but we were living the level of them.

But what's, what's crazy is because I'm listening to you and that's Master P, you know what I'm saying? That's, uh, yes sir, Ghetto Boys, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Rap-A-Lot. I'm sorry, Rap-A-Lot.

Rap-A-Lot.

Yeah, I'm saying Jay Prince. Yeah, to do it your way and to say, well, we gonna make our own money, that's Dream Chaser 101.

Another note. Okay, we brought Master P to San Antonio to the Cameo Theater.

Cameo Theater.

Before Master P was Master P, this was back when Ice Cream Man came out. It's the PKO. Yeah, brought Master P to the city. Nobody knew that one, huh? I'll tell you, well, it's there.

Yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah, before he blew up, before he had the, the big No Limit crew and everybody, Mystikal and all the rest of them, Master P came San Antonio and did a concert at the Cameo Theater courtesy of us. We brought him.

Why do you think— why do you think— and people outside the city not gonna understand this because there's so much talent here, right? There's— I mean, from gospel to rap to spoken word to— I've seen some, some playwrights here, right? Yeah, shout out to Bobby Morris. I think his name Bobby Morris.

Yeah.

Um, you know, it's— there's some great people here in the city. Why do you think, of all the cities in Texas— because Austin is smaller, but it seems like they get more, uh—

they do, you know, Austin gets everything.

Dallas is huge, but they're not as Everybody think Dallas is super big. It's a metroplex.

Yeah, it's a combination of a bunch of stuff.

There we go.

All put together.

And then Houston is Houston.

Houston is Houston. Houston is Houston.

Why do you think San Antonio sometimes gets looked at as little bro? Well, because, because what I've heard, never been there through the grace of God. What I've heard from family members that's been on vacation. Right. They learned real quick that San Antonio ain't what we, what they thought it was.

Right.

'Cause we got some, some, some one-hitter quitters. That's, that's why.

Understood.

You know, got some one-hitter quitters. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Why do you think people look at San Antonio as little bro so often?

San Antonio, basically we are, we, we, we little bro compared to all the other major cities in Texas. Reasoning why my, my thoughts. This ain't for everybody. This is just my thoughts. It's just not a city designed— let me see if I can say this without really killing myself. This is not a city designed for fast movement.

Very true.

Very cultural. This is not a real very Cultural, multicultural city. Multicultural. One reason why Austin is ahead of us, they're very multicultural, and they are a music, live music, music city. That's why they get all the acts. People support everything that goes on in Austin. Hell, we driving up there to go see Cardi B, to go see, you know, even the, the, even the, the street The Street Brothers. I think they got Doug 44 coming. Now look, I'm naming real underground street dudes, but they're going to Austin. Drake, Austin. They're not coming here. We are just now getting a little light, a little light in San Antonio because they're realizing that, oh, these people are starting to come spend their money and go to concerts. Hell, Kanye be here on the 4th of July, which is hilarious because— hilarious—

now they're trying to stop him.

They're trying to stop him, but they can't.

They didn't stop Trump from having a rally here.

They ain't gonna stop him. Kanye already sold 50,000 tickets in a 60,000-seat venue. Wow. He sold 50,000 tickets in less than a week. Alamodome. Say what you want, they can't stop him.

Say what you want, he's a great artist. Say what you want, he's a great artist.

Yeah, and look, he just put it out 2 weeks ago. Didn't nobody know about Kanye coming. You, you hear all this promotion about other people's months in advance. Kanye just said, you know what, I want to go to San Antonio, let me go ahead and lock this in 3 weeks before the day.

So, you know, we, we talk, right?

Yes, sir.

And I'll be honest, you're a fucking fool. Yeah, like, and I'm gonna stay up in a great way, in a great way. You be on that patio, you be inside. Oh man, you are one of the few people I can say have so much fun doing your job.

I love it.

Now I've seen DJs getting mad at people, okay, for whatever reasons. Yeah, so I'm curious. Okay, as a DJ, you know I'm gonna have a good answer for it. What is your pet peeve as a DJ? Because I see people get mad when somebody comes up to them and say something when they DJing. You laugh, you high-five, you— you ain't never seen you get mad at nobody while you DJ. Now somebody might talk shit, you got a mic, so you're gonna talk more shit.

Oh boy, they'll get it.

But what is a pet peeve as a DJ for you that maybe we, as, you know, small people, we don't know that, oh shit, we weren't supposed to say this to the DJ.

Me, I've learned how to— I've learned how to control— well, nah, because I'd be out of control a lot of times. But I've learned how to control my emotions and feelings.

Okay.

So I never let nothing get personal with me. Even if I dog you out and talk shit about you and call you all kind of shit on the mic, That's just part of my act. See, I don't DJ just to play music. Most DJs think DJing is playing music.

Okay.

I'm just like the rapper, the singer, the, uh, the band, the drummer, the, the guitar player, the keyboard player, this, the, the, the, the main act. I'm an entertainer. I entertain. It's like comedians. If our act ain't entertaining people, we're useless.

Okay.

So me as looking at myself, yeah, I'm a DJ, but really I'm an entertainer. I will grab that mic and I might say something that'll have you laughing and you ain't even thinking about the song I'm playing. Because now you're listening to me.

True.

Now you're listening to me. I'm an entertainer. I am a DJ MC entertainer.

But what is a pet peeve? Like, what's, what's something where— because, because I've seen DJs get mad if somebody make a request.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I mean, get mad.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, like, I've seen DJs that do that. I've seen DJs literally go off on people because they're not enjoying the songs that they're playing.

Yeah, yeah, I've had all that.

So, so what is something with you? Because again, I, I've, you know, I've been watching for years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've never seen you— same thing with AK. I've never shouted DJ AK. My nigga, y'all don't get mad. Shout out to, uh, uh, Kevin Crazy Ass DJ.

Oh yeah, DJ. Oh yeah, shout out to Remedy.

It's like, it's some great DJs in the city, right?

There is, there's a bunch of them, like a whole bunch.

I don't want to miss anybody, right? But what's your pet peeve that maybe we just don't know?

It's really not one, okay? Because like I said, the main thing is controlling yourself. As long as you got control over yourself, can't nobody take you out of your element. They might try, they might say this and say that, or ask for this and ask for that, but as long as in your mind you know Me personally, I feel about myself, they can't nobody touch me. You're not gonna come up and talk enough shit to me to make me feel fucked up about what I'm doing or how I'm doing it. I am in full control of what I do. So that just stops everything in their tracks. They come ask for a song, even if I don't play it, I'm gonna be— I'm always be Well, I'm gonna try and be. There's a lot of times, you know, that Remy might hit me. That Remy might hit me and I might take off on your ass, but it's nothing personal. It's all entertainment. If I take off on you and I do it publicly, which is on the mic, like 90% of the time I do, it's all entertainment. It is. One thing about me, and a whole bunch of people will tell you this, is I'm a I don't give a fuck nigga. I don't care, especially at this age. I don't care. I'm just happy to wake up. So I don't care what anybody thinks of me or what anybody thinks or has anything to say to me while I'm working or while I'm DJing. Oh, I don't care if I didn't get to yourself. I didn't get to it. I just didn't get to it. Next time, leave a $20. Get my attention.

Tip the DJ.

Tip the DJ, you'll get your song played. Yeah, but if I— 99 times— 99— what am I trying to say? 9 times out of 10, I'm gonna play it. I might not play it when you ask for it, but I'm gonna get it on if I still see you. Now, if you leave and I don't see you, or you ain't around me, then yeah, I might not play your song. But, uh, pet peeve, my main thing is I enjoy what I'm doing. I don't care if there's 3 people there or 3,000 people there, I'm gonna give you the same energy. Yeah, period. Yeah, period. And just know, for everybody who watches this, I'm a— I don't give a damn, I don't give a fuck. So whatever you say about me, whatever you do, it just don't matter to me. It don't matter. So I'ma still get booked, I'ma still get hired, I'ma still get paid.

You're already going to the next question because as a new DJ, say somebody There's a lot of DJs that's, that's popping up now, right? Uh, and I'm seeing them, they doing that thing at Tanks and, uh, you know, they just a whole bunch of places, man. You know, so I don't want to shit on nobody, but they're doing anything, right?

Shit on nobody.

Uh, and that's definitely not my intention, but what advice would you give them? Because I'm gonna say this, for me as a comedian, a lot of times Like, I don't— I'm at it. I'm not at a stage where I think I need management, but sometimes I do, because management gonna take your money and don't give you the results, right? Do DJs have managers too? Well, it's pretty much y'all get yourself booked up.

Uh, just depends on the caliber of a DJ you are. Now, being here in San Antonio, you really don't need no management because you, you, you, you know, you the, the market here, you, you're able to manage yourself, okay, and get all your money. There's no sense in trying to give a manager some money to go get you more gigs, and you can go out there yourself and get your own gigs. Do your own legwork, do your own footwork. I mean, if I feel like I'm slowing down or I want to be somewhere else, I'ma go club shopping. Know what I call it?

So, so how does that work? And, and I'm— for people who don't know, right, right, right, like Do you go— you, you do you have to audition?

Well, it just depends on how far you can get in with them. My first step is to go check it out, sit down, listen, buy a drink, ask for whoever's running the club. I give them my card, I let them know the professionalism of where I'm at. I give them just a small brief. I don't sit up there and stay in their ear. I give them a small brief, little, uh, uh, little, little resume about me and what I can bring to their establishment. And then really it's up to them to call me because I'm handing you my number. Okay, I don't want your number. If you call, you call. If you don't, you don't. Keep it moving. There's a lot of clubs, there's a lot of new clubs, downtown market. You got clubs going all over the city, lounges. Everything's getting smaller now, more intimate. So that's just more room for us DJs to work. Now whether you get the pay we deserve Okay, hmm, you know, because there's a lot of undercut. What we really need to do is start a DJ union and get everybody on the same page, because really we deserve a lot more money.

You know what, you know what, so this is me and a partner of mine, we was talking about that, like when people have an event and they want comedians and they have DJ there and everything else, they always want to cut the comics money. But from what you're saying, sometimes they want to cut the DJ's money also.

Oh, come on, man. I feel like in any entertainment, because remember, we're entertainers. You're an entertainer, comedian, entertainer. Without you, there's no show at all. Without the comics, there's no show. If I'm in the club and at 12 o'clock somebody pisses me off— no, not not staff, let's put it that way. Let's say somebody in the staff, promotion or something to that nature, not the patrons, piss me off, I could turn off my shit and leave. And I guarantee you that night will crash.

Yeah.

When I leave, the crowd leaves. When the DJ leaves— I'm not just me— when the DJ leaves the club, The crowd will leave the club. We really in charge. And here again, that comes with entertainment. If you're bringing in people and people are coming and continue coming, they like something about you, whether they talk shit about you or not, they still like something about you. We're the most important part of the club is the DJ. I gotta ask you this.

I gotta ask you this.

And I gotta answer it.

Because I got so many— That's fucking stupid. I got so many stories, and I'm not even an old season comic, you know. I've talked to Myra J and Rodney Perry and J.J. Williams. Like, I've talked to some comics that been doing this shit 30+ years. That's dope. As a DJ, okay, I've been burnt as a comedian. Oh, I've, I've driven all the way to Clarksville, Tennessee for a church event, sold that bitch out. And the pastor, uh, hey Doc, hey Doc, let me talk to you for a minute. Nigga, give my motherfucking money, nigga. Come on, come on, run me my money. Fuck that shit, nigga. You got on gators too? I'm gonna beat your ass, nigga, in Jesus' name. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I am curious, as a DJ, have you been burnt?

Oh.

And how do you respond? Because you still want to be professional. Yeah, but at the same time, nigga, run me my paper.

No, no, look, when it comes down to getting burnt, we are all niggas. I just gonna keep it 1000. We are all niggas. Now, for you square folks Don't take my niggerism too niggerish, but I'm a nigger. And I've been burnt. There's been some gigs, there's been few, quite a few gigs that, you know, they said they gonna do this, then they come back to me at the end of the night like, hey, you know, we didn't have this many people. Or even if they did sell it out, you know, the promoter ran away with the money, or This, that, and the other. That has nothing to do with me.

But Big Worm say, what the fuck that guy do with me?

Right. So technically, I want my fucking money. I might tear this bitch up. But what I realized in business today, if it's something new or somebody that I'm working with that's new, a new event, a new venue, a new club. As soon as I set my equipment up, I need my money.

And okay, that's what I was going to ask you, because in the comedy world, at least 90% of my money, I need some money. So in the comedy world, the way we normally do it, the day you book us, right, and I take my name off the calendar, you give me half.

Half, yeah.

And then when we get there, you get the rest of it. I get the rest of it before I even touch a mic.

Before you touch the mic.

Before I even get the mic, before I go on stage. Now, now there's a certain person, and I love her. that we both know. Okay, I've given her because I just trust it, but sometimes I'm like, nigga, that friendship don't—

hey, business, right?

Business is business, right? Um, and she's— I'll pay you tomorrow, nigga. I want my money tonight, you know what I'm saying? You know, and that's just— I'm just being real, you know. Hey, you see this shit? I'm talking about you, nigga. But that's my dog, that's my dog. So, but she's always giving my money. Yeah, just not when I want it.

Okay, right, right.

So as a, as a DJ, y'all don't do like half up front before you show up, or do y'all show up? And I'm asking for a young DJ that's maybe watching, right?

Uh, now, two different type of events. If I'm doing a wedding, a private party, a corporate party, I get all my money the minute my music is set up. Soon before I hit my play button. Okay, because as soon as I get booked, the deposit is half, no refund, because now you're tying up my days. So I've locked this day in for you. So if the agreement was $1,500, I need $750 to lock the day. Okay, okay, now the day is yours. Okay, so now y'all got to come in with what y'all are doing to make sure the day goes well. Okay, so now when I set up, I get there because doing a gig, especially private gigs, wedding receptions, corporate gigs, there's a whole lot of pre-preparation.

Yeah, yeah.

It's just not come set up and play music. No, they usually send you a playlist, they give you some guidelines, they, they, they, you know, you got to do your research, you got to get your music together. You don't know if it's going to be R&B, country, reggaeton, reggae, you know, just all type of genres, top 40. You know, you got to get all that together to prepare. That's why I say being a DJ is just not being a DJ. And that's why we should be getting paid way more than what we do. Now, my private gigs, my wedding receptions, I'm expensive. I am. I've got shit. I want $1,500 just to give my attention. Your wedding, your this, that, and the other. You'll pay a photographer $3,000. You'll pay a band $5,000, $6,000. You'll pay the venue $10,000. But your entertainment, the man that's going to keep people moving and drinking and shaking and baking, got to make all these announcements and yada, yada, yada. And then you want to give us $600, $700. No, no, no, no, no, no. Once people, venues, clubs, club owners realize that the most important— the most important part of the puzzle is not your alcohol, your environment. It's who makes your environment. The DJ makes the environment.

I'll set the tone. Yeah, y'all set the mood.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But see, even with that being said though, Because so there's a lot of prep work, there's a lot of setting up. I, I remember we was at Horizons one day and I was working on some stuff and you was up there like you wasn't even working, right? But you was doing other stuff preparing for, I think, the next night. Yeah. And I'm like, what you doing up here? Like, dog, just what we do. Yeah. And of course me coming in, I just see you on the patio, I see you inside, right? I'm thinking, oh, nigga, he just pushed play and go, right?

And Yes, sir.

So, so, so, as a DJ, uh-huh, and I asked another DJ about this, she was a woman, is it difficult on relationships? Not just the time that you put in, because even at home you probably are listening to music, you're probably trying to figure out, oh, this is what the young folks like, so right now I'm at a club that has this age bracket, so now I gotta But then over here, the old school, they want this. It's a lot of military, it's a lot of, uh, sororities and fraternities and like stuff that we don't even think about. Out-of-towners, right? Is it difficult in relationships also? Because it's a lot of time away from— it's not a 9 to 5.

No, no. And I'm quite sure it's not a 9 to 5.

I'm quite sure You got people in your face all night because you played their song. Yeah. Or you got the attention of the room, right? Is it hard in relationships being a DJ? Not just the work, but just the attention that you get, because truth of the matter is you are setting an environment for the whole room, right?

Right. So the question is, is it hard to be in a relationship?

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Like with a significant other?

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. Oh, it's impossible.

Oh, shit.

It's very difficult, especially if you're good.

Especially if you're a good DJ.

Yeah, we gonna talk about it. I ain't gonna say it's impossible because you have certain people that— wow— love the DJ. Even your significant other, if she loves what you do, she right there with you. She understands it's a job. But now, most of us DJs, just keep it 1000, this is 1000. Everything about being a DJ, especially in clubs, lounges, things of that nature, is our main focus is to entertain the ladies. Because the ladies are going to shake before the men shake.

Hold on, hold on, rewind that shit. Rewind that.

I'mma say it again.

I say this all— go ahead.

And look, even my significant other now, tell her all the time, I'm gonna have quite a few ladies that are gonna come up to the booth, they're gonna ask for songs. And she's even taught me something. She be looking, she be enjoying herself, she be enjoying what's going on. But there's quite a few of them that like really like a nigga. I didn't have problems with girls I don't even know. They're running around here just shitting on a nigga's name. Yeah, that's my nigga. And now, woof, woof, woof, bitch, I don't even know your name. I can't call you. I don't your number. So we pick up a lot of fans, and I ain't talking OnlyFans, goddamn, but I need to make me one. But, uh, yeah, we pick up a lot of fans. But the main thing is to entertain the ladies, because if the ladies are there, the men are coming. You got a club full of honeys, club full of shakers, a club full of nice, elegant, intelligent, beautiful women, we there. We there, drinks are good, the music's good, the women are partying, the men are coming.

That's very true.

And that's what I focus on.

And I heard an interview with Tupac, you know, he said it's all right to make music for the streets, but if you want to make money, yeah, you gotta make money for the women. I mean, you gotta make songs, music for the women.

You gotta make music for the women because the women are gonna attract the men and the men's gonna come. So as long as you got the ladies in your spot, in your venue, in your club, in your lounge. If ladies is coming and enjoying theyself, fellas are gonna fall in suit. They gonna be there.

Very true.

They gonna be there. We coming.

Very true. I don't care.

I don't want to be in a club, right?

If it's, if it's some women there, if, and they nice, I'm gonna pay to get in. And they know that, you know what I'm saying? They, they know that, right? Okay, that, that's— I like that.

I do too.

Um, as we wind down, I got a couple of questions for you.

Okay, okay.

What advice would you give to a K-Sam 30 years ago?

That's a hard question for myself. I know, because to give me advice on myself 30 years ago? Yes. Oh shit, you couldn't tell me nothing, man. 30 years ago, I couldn't even advise myself. Really, 30 years ago, I probably would say, you getting this, you getting money, invest, invest, invest. That's what I would say today to K-Sam 30 years ago, because 30 years ago, boy, I thought I was going to retire. I was trying to retire at 30. So I was good, and I probably should have made some better decisions as far as investing money instead of just spending money. Invest, invest in yourself, invest more into what you can do. If you got enough and you got a few good partners, go out and invest into a company, a business, stocks, whatever you can invest in to enhance your money. That's what I would have told myself 30 years ago.

I like that, I like that. Um, something I always like to ask people.

Okay.

Um, y'all know I can't get right, I'm throwed off. I, I, I know this about myself. I know there's something wrong with me, but I make money doing it, so right, see nothing wrong with me. Hey, the question, the question I want to ask you Because I've been knowing you for a while, and what I will say about you is you're very consistent. You, you are a man's man, okay? Like, there's, there are certain men that when they hit the room, you know that's a man, okay? And I know that's you all day long. I can accept— because let's, let's, let's be real, there's times in the room you'd be like, nah, they, they They soft as butter, you know what I'm saying, on hot skillet, right? But what's something that you can't get right? What's something that you know goddamn you just can't get right? No matter how hard you try, you know you're wrong. You know that shit, what the fuck am I doing? I shouldn't do this no more. But you just can't get get right?

There's a whole lot of that, but man, just to, just to really focus in and try to zoom in on one thing. What can't I get right? It's so much.

I know, I know. I'm good.

So I'm good. I mean, just like you said, your name. And believe me, every time I say it, even about myself, man, I can't get it right.

Yeah.

I just can't get it right.

Listen, listen, you don't have to go that deep. It could be, it can be frying chicken is always pink on the inside. It could be you can't, you can't fold sheets right. Oh man, it could be anything else because I see you, your mind is going, your mind is going. I ain't trying to get you getting in trouble.

Listen, I ain't trying to remember what I said though. Yeah, yeah, I don't give up.

Yeah, but we're gonna have fun.

That's what we doing now. So can't get right? That was the question—what can't I get right?

Because you know when I said it, you already fucking knew what you wanted to say.

Yeah, I ain't going to say what I want to see there.

Yeah, don't do that.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think the public is ready for—no, few things that I can't get right. Look, I even put a few in there and I'ma try. It might only get one out.

Let's go. Yeah, if it make you feel better, everybody struggle with this question. It's a struggling question because listen, we're not perfect. No, nobody, you know, we ain't walking on water, you know. But I— okay, let me help you out. I'm gonna say this for me, okay? My facial expressions, even when I shut the fuck up, get me in trouble. I know I can't get right by my facial expression because sometimes I don't say it, my face says it funny, and I'll be like, that's deep. And then I had that problem, and I'd be like, look, I've tried, I, I ain't say shit, give me that. They'd be like, yeah, but your face said it. Well, whatever, your wig crooked and he got dandruff. How you got dandruff in your wig? I'm sorry, how the fuck you got dandruff in your wig? Oh boy, that's, that's a good joke.

Yeah, okay. One of the things that I can't get right, I can't get my shit right with my nonchalant, don't give a fuck attitude. I just can't get it right because I'm so stuck on I don't give a fuck, okay, that I can't get it right to give a fuck, okay. I really have a real problem with that. Oh really?

Okay, so hold on, hold on. Oh, all right, hold on, because you know this is therapy. Hey, is that real or that's— or that's a mask that masks? No, it's real. You don't want nobody to hurt you.

It's real, it's real, it's real, because I've, I've fixed myself to the point to where— and it took a while, it takes time to get to the I don't give a fuck no matter what. Even if I do give a fuck, I'm still not gonna give a fuck unless if I really give a fuck. Yeah, I went deep, boy. You gotta understand that with that thing, you gotta use that one in your act too. Make sure you go back and you do it just how I said, because a motherfucker gonna be looking at you like, huh? And then you just gotta figure it out. But my, my, one of my biggest can't get rights is The nonchalance, man. I'm a very nonchalant dude. I mean, I've been told, I've been told several times that, you know, it's not gonna work, you're not sure. I wouldn't give a fuck if it worked or not. That's just how I feel when I say it. Now maybe after I think about it I might give a fuck, probably do, but I'ma stick to what I, what I meant. Yeah, yeah. And that's just something like the nonchalantness. I'm a very nonchalant dude, and I think being nonchalant—

you think that's the old school trait that you have? Like, because a lot of old school cats, they don't, they, they don't really show a lot of emotions, right? Right. Nothing against it, but it's just—

no, you're right, you're right. You, we, we don't And I'm not over old school, but I've been— I've had an old soul all my life. Um, and I don't think it really has to do with age because I've been that way even when I was young. Because, you know, I just— too much emotions to get your ass in a whole lot of shit, man.

Come on now.

Too much motherfucking emotions, too much caring. Not that I don't care, but I care in my way. And the way that helps me is to Hey, look, this is what it is. It's hard to show, but it's easy to say. That's why I always tell people, okay, I mean what I say. Okay, so if I say this but I'm not showing you what you expect me to show you from what I'm saying, it's good to listen. Sometimes some niggas mean what they say. I might say I love you, but I might not hug you. Well, that's old school. I guess that is what it's called.

Is that what it is? I mean, because, because, I mean, honestly, if I just tell the truth about it, it, it, I think maybe 2 years ago, the first time my dad ever said I love you. Yeah. And I pressured him because I kept telling him I love you. He's like, man, all right, all right. And he would not say it, but that's how he would— he'd say, Ray, we not right. We wasn't raised like that, right? Like, no, I need you to say it.

That's, that's true. That's true. You know, it's true.

You know, I'm not shitting on them. I'm just saying some people, that's who they are, right? So, so last question of the night.

Uh-oh, we already there?

Yeah, man, this is fun. Last question of the night, man.

I'm gonna let you go. Oh man, I gotta find this dude's name though. Last question of the night. Okay, come on, give it.

So in life, we all have moments where it changed us. Mhm. You know, people think turning corners is about jokes. It's really about the journey, right? Because there's, there are times where we, we on this trail, we on this mission, and we turn the corner and everything changed. Mhm. What was a defining moment, a turning corner moment in your life that got you to where you at? You know, because, because it can be a child being born, it can be a heartbreak, it could be, uh, finding your, your, your, your, your purpose as far as DJing, entertaining people. Okay, what is a turning moment point in your life where you say that moment changed me?

Okay, I got something to say about this. I got a couple of things that changed me. It ain't gonna take too long. Now do your thing. First thing that changed me, this is the very first thing, my children. I have 3 daughters and a son. My children definitely changed me. Before my children, it was ball out, me, me, me. I've been having money for a long time. You know, I've been in these streets for a long time. First turning point was first child, second child, third child, and then they were all girls. So girls usually cling to daddies if the daddy is present. I've always been a present daddy, single daddy. 3 girls, all successful. Very proud, very, very proud. My oldest is a DJ and moving around. DJ Y Cleo, shout out to your baby. She doing some downtown circus. She got a few— yeah, she stays busy. She's, she's booking, she's booking. So that's a blessing. Uh, the other— my other 2 daughters, very successful. One manages a spot in Atlanta, the other one is a school teacher on top of a, uh, a school year designer of the learning tech, the learning critique of what's going on for the whole year. So she's, she's doing good. My oldest daughter is a DJ and also has a great job working at a great company. My son is on his way to being an up-and-coming producer, still in high school, you know, still got a few years left before he graduates, but he will be successful as well. So the turning point there was my children. Once they were born, my life, my, my, my, that was my whole existence. Now my recent turning point, and I could say this, turning corners, my recent corner. Oh yeah, it was a big corner.

Turning point. Okay, turning point is that the Kirk dude that got shot in the throat.

Okay, now we ain't gonna do that. Yeah, okay, this was a corner turn because I turned the wrong goddamn corner. I did. I turned the corner, boy, and them boys come out of everywhere, man. So this corner here, that humbled me to the point to where I am today, because this is all recent. Uh, unfortunately, I got hit by the feds. They took everything, a lot. They took houses, cars, money. They took everything and sent me to the penitentiary. I went to the federal penitentiary. I was blessed to only do 2 years. I spent a lot of money. No paperwork. All y'all motherfuckers can check that. I could give a damn if anybody has anything to say. My name ain't on nobody's shit. Everybody I know still rolling. So y'all kick that shit all up in the ass. I did 2 years. The judge told me what to do. I did exactly what he told me to do. Go in there, get on this program, get on that program, get on that program, cut all your time in half. You'll be at the halfway house in this long. I did exactly what that shit told me and I came home. That was a big turning point because now I'm me. Now I ain't none of this. I ain't at home, you know, counting hundreds of thousands of dollars and wondering who might come through the door. I'm cool right where I'm at. Ain't touching shit, ain't doing shit, and won't do shit. I'm cool DJing, working for my homeboy business. That was the corner. That was the final corner. That put me in my— well, what I would call going into my golden years. And I'm gonna stay there. I'm cool. I love life. I love waking up. If I don't wake up, there's a problem. A lot of you ain't waking up on your own. So me just waking up is cool with me. I'm good. I appreciate that, man.

I'm good. I appreciate that because, because a lot of times people, they, they've done things in their life and they don't know that there is— you know, we make mistakes.

Yes, we do. We do. We do.

But there, there are times in our life where, um, we turn the corner and it makes us better. You know, I know a lot of people who went to college for a couple of years, whether it's the Fed or state or whatever, and they came home and they were better people. They was able to go sit down and, you know, do their time, but then, you know, kind of just think about some things because, you know, sometimes life brings that to you. Um, I'm through with you, but I got one other question because I'm stupid.

I already know that I'm stupid.

And this is something—

okay, real quick though, before you ask me this question, okay, go ahead. Remember I said there was one person in this city? Yeah, you could have flipped it. I don't Google the goddamn Peso Pluma. He is a Latin rapper, okay, out of Shertz, Texas, right? Yeah, Shertz, Texas. He went to Clements High School. He is one of the largest entertainers in the rap industry from San Antonio. I've never heard of— I know, I never heard of him until I heard he sold out the Frostbank Center. Real large dude. He's a rapper. Rapper. Okay. Okay. Latino rapper. No, reggaetón, all this, that, and the other. But I did want to say that name, and it might hurt. You said before, it might hurt a lot of y'all feelings, you brothers out there trying to go get it. But once you sell out the Frostbank Center, then you can talk that shit. He did that. Okay, now question. Yeah, let's get back on track because I just want to throw that.

No, no, no, no. And I appreciate that because There are people who never heard this guy and even give him his flowers because I've heard of him until I saw what he did. Last question of the night. Yes, sir. I know I gotta ask this because I'm stupid and I got a stupid answer.

I know you do.

We live in a time— yeah, well, dating is difficult, you know, women, men, we're in the different places. Boy, what is your take Come on, on 50/50 relationships or 50/50 datings. Because women— I've heard women say, man, want to date me, I pay all my bills. Man want to date me, he gotta do XYZ. Man got whatever. I've been knowing you for a while, so I'm kind of already know where this is going.

And boy, I'm gonna give it to you.

But because I'm stupid, what's your take on that?

50/50. 50/50. When we ready to unionize, which means, okay, you're gonna leave your house, I'm gonna leave my house, we're gonna get us a house together. New house, new foundation. Not my old shit with my old skeletons. Not your old shit with your old skeleton. New foundation. This is us now. As long as we got each other, it shouldn't matter. But 50/50? Oh, I condone it. If you got a job and I got a job, even if I pay all the bills at the house, baby, you got all the vacations. Okay? Your money's going towards our travel. Our vacations are this or that, you know, we go out to eat. Okay, your money's going towards the luxuries of the relationship. My money's going towards the foundation of the relationship, which means the house note, the, the, the, the, the, the, the bills, everything that the house is provided for. I got that. You save your money. Plan the trips. Even if there's a trip— okay, baby, look, I think I want to go to Jamaica. Okay, well, now it's your— it's time for you to plan it. Yeah, give me the dates. Let's get the— and pay for it. That's 50/50 to me. It don't necessarily have to be, okay, baby, uh, our rent is $3,500. Okay, I need $1,750, $1,750. Now, 50/50 that way is cool with me too. Either— however we're comfortable working it out. I think it's necessary in today's world because technically we don't make enough money to pay all her bills, to do all this, that, and the other. Like you say, a lot of fuckers out there— excuse my French— a lot of women out there, oh, I want a six-figure, I need my man to make— do you know how hard and how much time you gotta work to get to six figures without being in streets selling drugs or something.

Yes, sir.

You could work all your life and not make it to 100. And nowadays, really, you need a partner in order to be comfortable in life. Yeah. So however you work it out, 50/50 could mean, okay, I pay for the house, you pay for the trips, vacation, the food. However we work it out, whether it's we pay half on everything or we work it out that way, or we work it out this way. But yeah, 50/50, I mean, that's damn near mandatory nowadays. Yeah. I don't want a woman who don't make under $70,000 a year. How about that? And at this age, I give two fucks, because if you don't make it, you don't qualify.

You know what, this nigga— first of all, you said it with a whisper at the end. You don't qualify. Say, dog, say, listen, I want to tell you thank you. Hey, I appreciate the stories. I appreciate the time. Oh yeah. Um, again, I appreciate you blazing the trail in this city, and there are people who look up to you who would never tell you that. I've had several people not, because as, as men especially, I'm gonna say this for myself, we have not been designed to tell other men thank you. All right, we have not been designed to say, man, you inspired me. But I want to tell you face to face, man to man, you have inspired me. I appreciate you. Right. And that's why I felt like with certain situations you was owed a phone call. That's why when I first saw you, I walked right up to you and said, hey, Kenfolk, you know, because yeah, yeah, yeah, as a man, men recognize men, right? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and I just want to say I've always appreciated you, appreciate you playing my song.

Oh, come on, good music is good music.

No, but I appreciate that. Oh man, because I've had to play, and I'm gonna tell you something else too, I appreciate It's gonna piss some people off, but I am who I am.

It is what it is.

I hate people moving to San Antonio and we know you're not from here, right? But there's so many people that lived in Houston for 2 years, lived in Dallas for 6 months, and they claim those cities. Yeah, yeah. You know, they're gonna wear their hats, they're on Houston, this Houston. That's fine, do what you do. What you do. You're from California, but a person who don't know you think you're from San Antonio.

And you know what I tell them? I've been here long enough to claim it. I'm comfortable with the city. I don't have no regrets. I've made more money in San Antonio, Texas, than I probably made in any other city. Uh, I made a lot of money in Atlanta, y'all, but All my money come from San Antonio. I claim this city. I've been here long enough to claim it. Only thing I didn't do was lose my little West Coast accent, because people always say, you ain't from here, are you? No, you ain't got the y'all yet. Yeah, yeah, but I use it. Yeah, now I will y'all your ass to death, goddamn it. I won't ride no fucking horse or wear no cowboy boots. I used— I did for one picture. Don't talk about that shit. Hey man, but look, Hey, I'm San Antonio Nick by way of West Coast.

Say, listen, I appreciate you. I thank you. Always, for real, always.

Come on, man. Say, man, shit, can't nothing stop us.

Say, this your boy Ray Black. Turn the corners. K, Sam, I holla.

Life is too short, bitch. Now turn that corner. Real player, real player, dream chaser.