A €15,000 FARM START-UP in Germany: Catching Up With One Of Our Interns!

So in today's video I've come down to this beautiful spot where I like to actually come and relax in the evening. Sometimes it gets the sunset here and I brought my computer along. I'm skyping with Jasper now. Jasper was one of our interns and he's an amazing young man. And I made a video earlier in the year as I was passing through Germany of his startup. He's starting with his own beautiful handmade pastured egg mobile. Beautiful construction there that he did with another of our interns that was here and started up a market garden at the same time whilst restoring an amazing old home, a heritage listed building. And that video is up in the links if you want to see that. It's pretty cool. But I wanted to Skype and check in with him, see how season is going.

How you doing? I can't see you.

Not too bad. Flat out. You can see me.

No, I can't see you. I can just see me actually.

Yo, yo. There we are.

Hey man.

How's the farm?

Yeah, it's dry. Super dry.

I know the feeling.

Yeah. Are you having the same drought conditions.

Since I think since you came here? We've had 24 millimeters.

Oh my gosh. When was it that came? It was in end of April. End of April? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it's been pretty much same story here. We've run the lake out and managed to jerry rig a pipe from the forest and filled it back up now. But I was considering just scrapping the gardens at some point because serious. Yeah, it was too much. Like we didn't water for several weeks and then watered very partially. Like when we had water we were putting it down about 28 cubic meters a day and then we went down to putting down like 4, 4 cubic meters every couple of weeks.

That's not much.

Yeah, it's limited production. Like production is really down the garden.

I've been watering the garden and I don't know how much is in my well at the moment. It's still going but I've no way to check how long that still goes for. So yeah, I'm rationing the water but I'm watering mostly just whatever I'm planting new or direct seeding, but it's going alright. Yeah, most things are growing pretty well.

Yeah, there's some beautiful stuff coming up on your page now. You've got some really nice crops coming.

Yeah, some few things haven't worked that well, but getting the hang of it. At the start the carrots were terrible but now they're looking Good.

Are you getting a lot of deformed, like multiple roots?

And the first two beds were like that. But I think it was because during the asparagus season, I just didn't really have much time for the garden and I didn't water much. I think it was just rock hard to get the ground and grow that well. I've got new carrots now and they're great.

Is it stony now?

Not really, no. It's really nice ground, actually. But it was just rock solid because it didn't rain and I didn't water much because it was too busy.

Yeah. That can make them shoot out. We've had some like that for sure. And we've been using this wood compost, which is. Looks horrible, but it's turned out quite good. And it's actually saved us, I think, with the dryness. And carrots are doing really good again in that. So. Yeah, I imagine you must have been super flat out, dude.

You could say that. Asparagus season went well. That was crazy. I didn't know what to expect and it was just mayhem. But got through it.

Yeah.

Somewhere, I don't know, were the machines.

All working and.

It worked all right. Obviously a bit dry, but apart from that, it was all good. And Market Garden's been going pretty well, kind of during the asparagus season because it was so busy. I didn't have much time for weed and water and anything, really.

Yeah.

So at the moment I've got a little bit of a dip in production because it didn't really plant things for a month because it was too busy. But it's all right. Still producing enough.

Yeah.

Tomatoes. Kilos and kilos and kilos of tomatoes. Too many tomatoes.

Is that tunnel totally full of tomatoes then?

Hold on. I'll have a look at what my battery is like. But I'll go for a little walk.

Yeah.

Show you about what's the.

So you're still primarily selling through that shop in the village there?

Yeah, exactly that. The shop. The farm shop for the asparagus. I pretty much used the asparagus and advertised the fact that I'm selling vegetables. And it's going really well. I've got like 37, 38 now, I think. CSA members.

Awesome, dude.

So I'm doing 38 boxes a week.

Great. How are you managing that? Is it you're just dictating what goes in them and one box?

Yeah, exactly. Just pretty much whatever's there in the garden.

What do you sell a box for? Nice.

I've got two different sizes. I've got a small box which is €15. Say probably about 80% of people take the small box. And I've got big boxes for €25.

Perfect. How's the chickens doing over there?

Chickens are great. We'll go over. Go over and have a look. I had an inspection today from the veterinarian, which was a bit of the German regulations. You think you're bad in Sweden, so maybe she's gonna check it out, but maybe I'll have to build a spot inside my egg mobile where they can scratch. And I'll need to be able to feed them and water them inside the egg mobile, which means I'll have to dedicate a third of the egg mobile to.

No, it's ridiculous.

I told her, like, they're outside the whole day. That's fucking ridiculous.

No, it can't be had.

That's the law here in Termina.

Well, we just had a organic certification come because we've actually getting the hens and the vegetables certified organic under EU regulations. Because Selma, you remember Selma, they buy a lot of veg and eggs. They're actually part of a chain. And the boss of the entire chain, like the CEO of Selma, is really into our stuff, but the boss of him basically said they need to be certified. So we had the inspector out and he loved it. He was. You know, there's. He was like, when you have them outside like this, like, clearly it meets standards. And, you know. Yeah, I would argue that one because it's.

Yeah, I argued. I argued with her, like. But she was like, yeah, that's the rules in Germany. She wasn't 100% sure? No, but she said she's gonna check it out for me. That's a little girl scratching away.

I think you're gonna be okay because it, like, you can't apply that regulation to what you're doing there.

That's ridiculous. Like, it's completely ridiculous. I argued, like, at the start she came and she was asking, what's. What's the egg mobile like? And I explained it. She was like, what, you don't feed them or water on the egg mobile? I was like, no, but they're outside the whole day. They've accessed the food and water the whole day.

Yeah.

She was like, oh, Jesus, no, that doesn't work at all. And then we came and had a look at it and then she seen it and she was like, ah, yeah, well, sort of makes sense. I was like, yeah, of course it makes sense. And explained it to her all. But I don't know we'll see what happens.

Yeah, yeah. But she's the way.

Checking it out now. But I really don't want to do that. Like you lose a third of my stall to.

Totally.

It's ridiculous. Like to. For them to scratch their scratching the whole day outside.

Totally.

It's a lot. It's just made for the big halls and big industrial chicken production.

Yeah, yeah. No, it's. I think I'd love to hear updates how that's going. And it's. It's just not relevant, I think.

No, it's ridiculous. So here's the market garden. How it's looking at the minute. Making a wash station here. Still under construction. So.

Nice.

Just doing what I can basically here to clean the dirty stuff. And then I'm gonna. I've got this piece of land too. So I'm gonna build like a pond in here.

Nice.

And then a wetland for. For here all the drain that to drain into and let all the sediment fall down and then that goes into a pond. That's the plan.

Nice.

And we got these old basins for free out of the skip.

Oh, they look awesome. Are they stainless steel? I think.

No other aluminium. It's not the greatest, but it'll do.

No, it's perfect.

It's for. For free, Nick. So can't really beat it. Find this thing for free too. I just need to build a table here still and then a rack so that I can reverse my van in here. And once everyone's washed to the cool house.

Sweet.

Yeah.

Preference. Okay. So you've got a little fence up now.

Yeah. A fence of.

I know it's corn. Okay. The video is a bit fuzzy so I can't really see the details. I'm seeing like a bit pixelated. I see now. Yeah. Yeah, it's corn. I thought you'd put a nice little wooden fence.

That'd be nice. It's a good windbreak, the corn. But I'm completely surrounded.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Just turn this water off. So that's the garden. It's all getting. These beds are all being planted tomorrow.

Sweet. It looks like you've got. It's very pixelated, but it looks like you've got some really nice crops in there.

Well, it's looking good. Fennel, looking really nice.

Sweet.

Beans, peas. It's getting a big, big clear out at the minute. That's the operation. So it's looking a bit empty, but yeah, it's going well. Definitely.

It looks awesome. Wow, look at that. Now. When I came had you even you hadn't you had tomato seedlings?

Yeah, but I hadn't planted. I think I planted them end of start of May, I think the first week of May.

That's right. It was just salad beds on the ground and you've plastic the whole thing. Wow, look at that, dude.

Yeah, it was pretty. Pretty weedy in here. So I thought I'll plastic it just to give to the whole year. So I don't have any. So many tomatoes. It's crazy.

That looks awesome.

Three times a week out of here at the minute. And.

Look at that, dude. You're doing epic things. Are you having fun? Like, I know you're obviously gonna be super tired, but are you having fun doing it?

Yeah, I love it. I love it. It's great.

How much sleep do you get at night?

Five. Five hours.

That's about what I'm on.

Does the track when it's five.

As long as you get the least five, I find.

So five or six. I usually get around that. And I've got. At the moment, I've got two people helping one guy from. They're both students here in Germany. They've been here now for a month. Although both of them are going up to you now. So then I'll have no help anymore.

Okay. Is that Hannes is coming on the little course we're doing?

Yeah, exactly. Hannes, he's been here now for a month.

Okay.

And another one, Jonas, he's studying, like, what is he studying? Some ecological farmer.

Yeah. Okay.

He's staying for three months, but he's going up to your open day with a few guys.

Oh, cool. Okay. It's great. These little networks that are created now.

Yeah. I can't see you. Is your camera off now?

I'm not sure. Let me see if I can. No, here it comes.

So that's Jonas. Hey. That's one of the helpers. He's busy clearing out the beds ready for planting tomorrow.

Awesome. It's looking great, you guys. You're doing a great job.

Yeah, it's going well.

Yeah.

It's good to have some help. Definitely.

Yeah. Yeah. So show me your. Because it's a bit pixelated like that. You're now where? In between the gardens and the hens.

Exactly. The guards behind me. I'm just going up that lane. The hens are over there.

Ah, they're on that side now. Okay.

And that's. Yeah, exactly. They just came through here a second time.

Yeah.

And for the drought, I mean, all the other. All the other farmers have no growth anymore in their grasslands But I don't know if you can see it, but it's. It's growing slowly, but it's still growing nice.

That's awesome.

What I'm doing at the minute is when I'm feeding, I'm really throwing, or I'm throwing the feed out. I'm not just pouring a line of it so it covers the whole ground so they really properly. Because I don't have cows running, going through. And if I just put a line, they just scratch up like, these two lines, there'll be a lot of grass left standing. So now I'm just scattering it around with my hand. So the food pretty much covers the whole floor.

Okay.

And I found that then they scratch everyone properly down. And then there's a really good mulch cover over the whole field. And that works really well. I mean, it's growing slowly, but it's growing. And all the neighbors have stopped growing.

That's awesome, dude. We've had zero recovery for quite a long time. It's just starting to grow. We had a rain a couple of days ago, and now there's a little sign of growth. But it looks very different from when you were here. It's yellow. And we did scrape squash a lot of grass down on the ground early in the year. But it's. I guess that's helped a bit. But it's. Yeah. We have no grass on the farm.

If there's no moisture, there's nothing that can hold it. Isn't it? No, it's hard.

How are your apples? We've got a really big apple crop this year.

Yeah, apples are crazy this year.

Yeah.

Like, the little trees are having trouble holding all the apples up. Yeah, I caught them. Do like, prun them to usnit. It's called in German. It's really interesting pruning technique. But like, that branch is supposed to be. Or that one's supposed to be going straight up. Yeah.

Yeah.

But it's just bowed over because it's just full of apples.

That's awesome. Are you gonna be putting them in the CSA somehow or.

I've been putting a few in already. I made. We made what, 40 liters of apple juice. And this tree, I don't know what it's called in English in German is Augustapeful. So it's apple that's ripe in August, but it was ripe in the middle of July this year because crazy weather. So we made like A week ago, two weeks ago, we made like 30, 40 liters of Apple juice. And I put a few of them in the boxes and the rest of it, I'll definitely boxes and whatever's left over. I'll make apple juice. Yeah, there's another company in the village beside us. Like a press. I'll go and get it all pressed there.

Cool. Because you had that catering event. No. With a guy with his sort of mobile catering van.

Yeah, the food truck.

Yeah.

That was really, really cool.

That was really cool. It looked awesome.

Oh, that was awesome. Super awesome. Yeah, it was sort of spontaneous. Like, he came into the shop one day and said he wanted to try some. Try out some product. He's. He's doing cool stuff and he wanted some cool producers. He gets his, like, bun specially made from a bakery somewhere here and has meat locally and stuff. And he came to check it out and then he, like, I showed him around the farm and he was like, yeah, that's really awesome. We need to do something together. And I was like, yeah, sounds good to me. He was like, yeah, I'll just come and park my food truck up beside your. Beside your greenhouse and then we'll cook. Make a live cooking show out of the garden. So I was in the middle of the Fargo season, so I didn't really have any time, but I was like, yeah, it. Let's do it. And he came and parked up and it was a. It was a Monday, so I thought, yeah, there might be a few people, but it'll not be that busy. And there's over 300 people came that.

Wow.

Like, I didn't have anything planned. It was just like, oh, I'll just see what happens. Give them a few vegetables and give a few tours. And then at some point, I was standing there running about getting everyone organized, and someone from the newspaper came to me and was like, so, what's going on here? And I was like, jesus, I don't know. But then after that, I started giving tours. It was just like every hour, wrote down on the way board. Every hour there's a tour. And the first tour there was like maybe 30 people. Second tour was like 70 people. And the last tour was over 100. And I was just crazy. But it was good fun.

That's awesome. But I see, like on your Instagram and stuff, you're doing like, like value added products now. Is that because you've got the shop right close to you? You can do. You can play around with that a bit. No.

No worries. Yeah, I'm working on it. So the problem is to get a certified kitchen at the minute. Yeah, but I've got. I've Got a friend with a certified kitchen. Like a mo, not a mobile, but he's built it in like a shipping container. And the idea is then I want to. Because I've got loads of cucumbers, I've got the wee ones to make pickles and I want to make apple juice, I want to make jams. I want to make something out of. Because I've got so many tomatoes and they didn't make something out of tomatoes. I can't sell them all and just basically taking it as it comes. But I definitely want to do more with value added stuff because it's good for the shop. Yeah, definitely.

Is that Hannes's camper behind you?

It is.

Nice, yeah. He wrote to say he's coming in a camper. How's the building going?

The house is going very well. We're going to have a look.

Yeah, Come on.

Downstairs is pretty much finished.

Getting the whole tour.

On the way.

Then tell me about how, like, how's it going for you economically? According to your plan, you started up with like €15,000 and, like, it's low budget, low tech. And how's it going? Did you find you had to put money in places you weren't expecting, or is it going to plan or.

Asparagus was like. I put a lot of money in places where that I didn't think it had to go during asparagus or. But from. From this project, everyone pretty much went to plan. I mean, contingency of 20%. I'm definitely still inside that.

Awesome. Hens in the market garden.

Exactly.

That's awesome, dude.

That stayed pretty low budget. One great thing was that I got the compost for free, so that made a big difference.

How did you get compost for free?

Municipal compost in Germany is free for agriculture.

Awesome.

Right?

Okay. So this. Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

It looks a bit different than last time.

Oh, dear. I want to see the wall left. Look at that. This was where the. On the left is where the burner was going to be. Right.

That's where the oven's gonna go in.

Yeah. Oh, dude, it looks beautiful.

And that's. That's the old floors up under the carpet. Yeah, we just sanded them down. Yeah. Oh, and.

Oh, man. And that's like a clay paint on top of the render or.

Yeah, exactly.

It really lightens it up in there, doesn't it?

Yeah, it makes it a lot bigger, too. Yeah, it's a bit white at the moment, but it's really, really nice.

Yeah, it's super nice, dude. Wow. What a good job. How's your outfit? Wow, look at that.

Love that.

Love it.

That's nice. Old beams, like just oiled.

Oh, man. It's really nicely finished. So that's just. It was a clay plaster and then clay render or clay paint on top.

Exactly. Yeah. That's it. That's the kitchen. The kitchen turned out awesome.

Oh, I lost to that. So hang on, where's the kitchen? Is this on the back side of that room with the stove where the oven will go in the wall.

So the stairs are. You come in through that. That's the front door.

Yeah. Okay.

Nice. Nicely framed. Love it.

Yeah.

And then we have the kitchen put up in here.

Awesome.

Nice big kitchen. Been making a lot of tomato sauce leaders. It matters us. Yeah. But I love it. It's a nice kitchen. You can get a lot of work done on here, but I don't think I'll be able to get it certified. It's going well. It's going well downstairs. Upstairs is pretty much the same as when you've seen it.

Right.

Haven't done much there yet. That'll be. I'm having like a open dish slash, I don't know, party on the 25th. 26th of August. Yeah, you're welcome to come a few times.

26Th of August. Now I'm coming down to Germany in November.

November.

There's. I'm doing a little talk that JM's talking at JM40 and I talk another thing on the 18th and 19th.

Where's that?

It's somewhere in the middle of Germany, I think. Don't know. I can let you know if Jim's.

There and you're there. I'll definitely have to go and check it out. November should have a bit more time. What is it, like a course or.

No, it's at Christian Albrecht's university. Biointensive, land use, market gardening, micro farming. And it's a guy called Maxime from France and then Jean Martin and myself. And it's the 19th and 20th of October. No, November.

November, yeah.

It's through. Through soel.des o e l.

I'll have to come and check it out. Sounds good. Do you know whereabouts it is?

It's Keel. Keel.

Keel, yeah. That's very much north.

It's in the north, yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, I couldn't remember, but yeah, we'll be there. It's gonna be awesome. Tricky with people.

No, that's tricky with people. That's definitely, Definitely true. Employing 25 people during asparagus season.

Yeah.

Never had anybody working for me before. That was a big, steep learning curve and apart from Boyd, it all went perfect. Well, some of the, some of the. One of the guys had a hernia in the middle of the field. That was a bit of a stress, but apart from that, everyone went pretty smoothly. Yeah.

Did it work out well with the asparagus overall?

Yeah. Like it pretty much funded the whole startup of the farm, which was kind of the goal. And it also, I built really, really quickly, established a name for myself, which was also really good. There's a lot of, a lot of people because the last two years, the guy that ran it the last two years pretty much just do anything. I don't know. They a lot up and so people didn't have that high expectations. But I obviously done my best and done everything as well as I could and everybody was saying it's the best asparagus that they've ever tasted. And a really good, nice shop. Good atmosphere in the shop. Really good quality because you have to peel it and if you don't peel it right, it's really better because there's bits of pail left on it.

So.

So made sure the quality was great also then established a good name for the vegetables.

Yeah, yeah.

Which was good.

So steep learning curve.

I'm not gonna plant any beers. Vargas. Sorry.

Steep learning curve.

No, you can say that.

Yeah. That's awesome, man. I'm super proud.

The hardest is all the paperwork.

Like.

Yeah, the paperwork is more stressful, especially here in Germany. I mean. Oh, Jesus Christ, the mantle in Germany. But I've got my girlfriend, she's helping out a lot with the paperwork side of things, so that's pretty helpful.

Yeah. Yeah.

And my father in law goes too badly. He knows the people to go to. It's all good.

What did you. I missed what you said. You. You said you're not going to do asparagus again or you're not planting any more.

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna plant any more, but I'll like, next year I'll do, I think 4 hectares and then just harvest it until it's gone. But I'm not going to replant any because I was, I was thinking about ways to make it sort of regenerative or do it in a way that fits my context, but I can't think of any way on that scale. Just. Nah, doesn't. I'll probably plant some green asparagus down here between or beside the tree rows or something just so I can keep it off for A little bit. But the white asparagus is just. Oh, it's just. It's not my kind of thing.

It's a lot of inputs now.

A lot of inputs and a hell of a lot of labor costs. And it's just. I mean you're completely destroying the ground. You're going over it like four or five times a year at times when you really, really, really shouldn't be starting to drive.

Yeah.

And no. Doesn't really matter.

Yeah.

The hens, they dropped their performance like really, really badly. They were up at 95% and then they dropped down to 60 and I think it was cuz I was feeding them too much stuff out of the garden. Then I stopped feeding them and now they're gradually going back up. They're at about 85% now at the moment. I was reading that if you feed too much because I was given a lot out of the garden scraps and like any leaves that I was taking off, brassicas or whatever because they loved it or any beets that didn't weren't really marketable. And I was reading if you give feed too much extra that it sort of dilutes this because it's pretty strict how much protein etc. Is in the, in the feed. And if you feed too much extra just dilutes that and they don't get the right levels to be fully productive. I'm not sure if that was it. I really don't know. I really can't understand why they dropped so, so dramatically.

Do you think they weren't taking their pellet food then?

They were, they were definitely eating all the pellet food and they were eating everyone else. But I can't really like I was. I tried lots of different things. I'm not sure like I really don't know why it was but they're going back up again now.

Well, it's good you reacted then and. Yeah. How's your nest boxes?

Yeah. Working well. There's a few little things that have to change in the winter. Like I've got about between 5 and 10% beak B class which is a bit too much. I know why it is because when they're rolling onto the conveyor belt I've got like under the conveyor belt wooden little, little wooden beams like to hold the conveyor belt up and they're cracking when they hit the corner of that so that I'll need to change a little bit. But apart from that it's perfect. Haven't had any problems.

No predators.

Yeah. I've had. What do you call it in English?

Mata Martin.

Ferret.

Like a martin?

Yeah, yeah, the wee ferret looking thing. Yeah, I've had one of them. Came in twice. Don't know how it got through the electric fence, but got through. I don't know. I've lost three birds to it, but.

Ah, but that's okay, that's all right.

I was away, it was a Sunday and I came. I was down in the garden until like 9:00'. Clock. Then I went home for breakfast. I came back here at 10 and I was cycling up the road and I looked into the. Into the egg mobile around the fence around it and seen like 10 chickens and I was like, what's going on there? So I dropped my bike and sprinted over and jumped over the fence and looked around and still only seen 10 chickens. And there was like a big bunch of feathers and there was two dead chickens dying in the pen and what they did is all the chickens, when the martin came in, they all flew out and they hid in the long grass like they properly hid in the long grass and spent like two hours searching in the long grass. But I found them all back. But it's good, good that they all flew out.

Yeah, yeah.

But apart from that I haven't had any problems.

Did you catch the martin though?

No, not yet. That's right. That's what I wanted to ask you. One thing. When Hannes comes back from the workshop, do you have a bit of Kingstru Fairy mycelium that you could sand down with them?

Yeah, I reckon it's not fruited. The big wood patch under the trees, it's like. It's in there but it's been so dry and we haven't had much water so we've given it washing up water in like one patch mainly. But I can give you bucket full of chips that's got mycelium on it.

That's. I've. Yeah, that would be cool because I wanna. I've got a. A pile of wood that are. That I can cut and chip and I want to put some in the garden.

Yeah, yeah, just it's slower to fruit. I thought we might get mushrooms this year, but then all the logs we did took two or three years to fruit. So I think it's just slower up here because of the winter and stuff. So it looks alive and it's eating the wood so I think it's fine.

Did it come at home stage?

Yeah, yeah. I'm super proud of you, Dave. That's awesome. Super nice. Good to hear yeah, but I hope to come in. Maybe I'll come by in. How far are you from K?

I'm not sure, but if that's happening and if there's some way that I can go there. I don't know if it's open or if it's just closed.

For universally, I think it's like €70 for the whole thing.

It might be that I just hire.

A little house there and it might be like some of the gang go like Toby, who was at Curtis's last year and is here this year, and Nicholas and like, maybe we can just have a house that we can crash in and could be cool. Yeah, I can let you know.

Anyway, I'll have a look. I'll check it out and see if I can get a ticket or something. Sounds good. Maybe after that if you want to come down.

Yeah, we can see. I reckon if animal situation is sorted, then maybe I've got a few days I can.

Yeah, sounds good.

Yeah. I'm having a truck, so. Nice. Cool.

All right.

Yeah, super good spin to dude.

Take it easy, man.

Oh, that's awesome. I'm so proud of Jasper. He's really got that spirit that you need to make this sort of stuff work and that just get up and get it done attitude. And speaking with Jasper, it's really nice. I'm gonna go see him in November when we're down In Germany with JM40, a little conference we're speaking at there. But Jasper is looking for some helping hands next year. Now, something to say is that putting it out on YouTube like this obviously generates interest and broader spectrum of people, but what he's looking for is ideally German folk. And it seems like the German regenerative ag movement is getting started. And I'd say Jasper's right there in the forefront of it and he's looking for really dedicated, reliable people. Now, it's really important you really consider if you want to go help out a place like this. What's really helpful is to be committing yourself longer term and committing yourself to a process where you're really looking for direction and leadership from someone who's already got something going is putting their money on the line. They're taking the risk, basically. And you're there to learn and help and assist and get started in your own. So he's really looking for people that are about to start their own project too, who want that little kickstart before they go off and do things for themselves. So I'd say, like, you know, I'm always cautious with These kind of videos where it's going to bring a sphere of people in contact with something that you know, it's really important that you really consider carefully if you've got what it takes to, to you know, step into someone else's world and be of benefit in that way. And I think it's something to consider. And Jasper's not put anything out yet and it will come out later in the winter I guess the format of what he wants to do next year. But he's really passionate about sharing what he's up to and I know he wants some people to come and commit to the season there at least part of it. And yeah, be in touch if you stay. Think you've got what it takes. And I think for this kind of position it's really important you write down like your experience, your intentions, what it is you're setting out to do and accomplish and why you think you'll be of benefit in this kind of thing. And I can make a suggestion like a really good way to do that also is include a little video like take your phone and just shoot a little video to show who you are and what you're up to and where you come from and something about some of your personal qualities and you know what it's going to bring to a project like that. Hope you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching and do follow what Jasper's up to. It's really inspiring to see someone just walk away from our internship program and just throw themselves headlong into it and do such an amazing job. I think you'll agree he's doing an epic job. Sorry about the video quality. That's the way it goes with Skype when I'm sat on the lake and talking with someone in Germany walking around their farm. So thanks for bearing with that, but I really enjoyed it. I hope you got something out of it too. Let us know in the comments below and click subscribe. Share the video. If you enjoy it, you can find out a whole bunch more about our farm in our book Making Small Farms Work. All the links are in the show notes below and we'll see you next time.