Lindsay Huggins Episode 356 - Voices In My Head Podcast

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He'd be the last one you'd expect to see walking up those church house steps, hard as a stone and jailhouse clean Saturday night, still on his breath. But we all saw a miracle that day, like watching Lazarus come out of the grave. The love of God, it doesn't stop. It keeps on running straight to the heart, to places dark and deep that seem so out of reach. Oh, you never know where the love of God is going to go. Hide behind your walls, yeah, that's okay. Even if you close and lock the door, it'll still come knocking anyway. 'Cause here is what I know about the Lord. He'll offer grace time and time again, no matter what you've done, no matter where you've been. The love of God, it doesn't stop, it keeps on running straight to the heart, to places dark and deep that seem so out of reach. Oh, you never know where the love of God The love of God, it doesn't stop. It keeps on running straight to the heart. To places dark and deep that seem so out of reach. Oh, you never know. The love of God, it doesn't stop. It keeps on running straight to the heart. To places dark and deep seems so out of reach. Oh, you never know where the love of God is gonna go. Where the love of God is gonna go.

The track that you've been listening to today is "Where the Love of God Is Gonna Go" by today's guest, Lindsey Huggins. Lindsey Huggins has been singing and ministering as a solo recording artist and worship leader for 10 years now. After 5 years working for country music superstar Reba McEntire, Lindsey is now focused on her own musical career. She and her family of 4 now spend a lot of time together on the road in a motorhome going from gig to gig. She has a busy schedule, but I'm so glad that she was able to take some time to stop by for a visit today and tell us about her new album, Things I Take for Granted. Lindsay Huggins, welcome to Voices in My Head.

Thank you so much.

Well, it's so good to have you here today, and as I was telling you before the show, you sent an advance copy of the album over, and people who are listening can already hear the great quality of it. But I've had a chance to listen to it at least twice now, every track, and I really enjoy it. So I first just want I just want to say congratulations on a great project, and I can't wait for the rest of the world to hear it.

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Well, before we get too far into the new album, let's talk a little bit about something we have in common. I am glad to find out that you and I both have this in common, that we both graduated from Trevecca Nazarene University in Nashville, Tennessee. So should we stop for a moment and sing the alma mater together?

Yes, yes.

You know all the most I probably did it one time, but it's been so long. Oh my goodness. And you know what? When I was there, I think it was, we actually made the transition from college to university. And so I think they changed the song just a little bit at that time. So who knows? There's probably the, I probably have both versions somewhere in my head, but who knows? Well, we won't lose listeners today by singing that right now. But anyway, that's a cool fact to find in common. And you graduated from Trevecca with a music business degree. Business degree, correct?

Yes, technically my degree is a business degree with a music industry emphasis.

Okay, yeah, very good. So I'm trying to think if we have any mutual friends that would have been there around the same time. What years were you at Trevecca?

I came in as a freshman in the fall of 2002.

Okay, well, I graduated in 2000, so you were a bit after I was. But I wonder if— let's see, was my friend Michael Logan still there at that time? Oh yeah, he's a great friend.

Here's Here's an interesting story about Michael, um, skipping ahead a little bit. When I was working at Starstruck, uh, Reba's company, they were also managing Kelly Clarkson, and I was able to connect one of Michael's songs, um, Paper Thin, to Kelly. She recorded it. So there you go.

Wow.

So that's—

yeah, so I think she recorded that one of his, and also Breaking Your Own Heart, I believe, was another one that she did. So Yeah, he, he just makes me sick because, uh, not because of anything bad he's done, but because he's not only one of the most talented musicians I've ever heard or seen or played with in my life, but he's also just genuinely one of the nicest people on the planet. So yeah, it's like, it's like you can't do all this and be incredibly nice too, you know? But, but he truly is, and I'm so glad for the success he's having. Wasn't it like, I guess it was the last Olympics, one of his songs was playing on a coffee commercial or something?

So it's kind of Crazy, but it's always great to see your friends doing well.

Definitely. Well, speaking of great artists that came from Truvecka, let's, let's get back to talking about you for sure. But that's a really cool story. I'm glad to know that you had connected in that way. I know probably a lot of our listeners are dying to know some of the story because you did work for Reba McEntire for 5 years. So, so what was that like and what were you doing there?

You know, I tell people it's really was a dream come true. Um, It was kind of full circle for me. When I was a little girl, every Sunday we'd have lunch after church at my grandparents' house. And when the table was cleared and everyone was gathered in the living room, my sister and I would pull up footstools and old microphones and we would sing along to Reba McEntire cassettes.

Mm.

And so then, um, I got the opportunity to do an internship at the studio there, um, my senior year at Trevecca. Of course, one of our professors had been Jim Fogelsong, who was instrumental in starting Reba's career. And so he had connected me with some people, and that's another one of those people that you would just never believe all that he had done, and then he was just so humble. But that connected me with her, and then they called me back and hired me as the receptionist. And I did that for a year, then I moved up a little bit in the company, and I spent 5 years working really closely with Reba. And if I— I guess the best way to sum it up is to say that I was a huge fan before I started working for her, and I'm still a huge fan. So that tells you what kind of person she is, uh, just as nice as you hope she is.

Well, that's terrific. It's always good, you know, they always say you never want to meet your heroes because you might be disappointed, but I'm glad to know— I, I have found personally, more often than not, when I've met my personal heroes, maybe I just have good heroes, but they've always been wonderful.

So yeah, I mean, yeah, we're all human, we've all got shortcomings, but I mean, just a genuine all-around great person, and it was a joy to work for her.

Well, that's terrific, and I'm glad to hear that story. And, and you're not the only one that I've actually heard that from. I've heard a lot of people have had good experiences knowing her, and that's terrific. So, well, you know, I understand now that, that you're not, uh, just an amazing singer, but, but you're actually a songwriter too. You've got some songs on the new album. But just before we get into the album too, because I do want to talk about that, you're also, uh, in addition to all that, you are working towards being ordained in the Church of the Nazarene right now too, correct?

Yeah, I am, I am. I am working on classes for that, um, so doing those remotely from wherever I am in the country. Wow. And, uh Yeah, so yeah, I got a few things on my plate, but I'm excited about it.

Yeah, well, and being a busy wife and mom too, that's a lot of things all together that, that you are juggling and handling, handling very well. But I love to see that God is still calling people into the ministry, um, and, and like in, into real ministry, not just as a person who is doing singing and songwriting, but someone that is actually, I mean, headed for ordination in the church. And we have somebody in our church here in Ohio that has been a police officer for many, many years. He's getting close to retirement and has just now accepted a call in the ministry. And so he's doing the same thing. He's going through all the course of study work. And it's just good to see God moving and doing good things. And so I'm glad to see that happening in your life as well. So I'll just say congratulations in advance because I know you'll end up being ordained through all of that. Well, let's get into, at long last, this wonderful album that you have coming out. On March 1st. It's called Things I Take for Granted, and I actually love that, the title track of that song. I mean, talk to us a little bit about— because everybody at this point, if they're just hearing about the album about to come out, most of them haven't had the privilege like I have to get to listen to the song. Why did you pick that title, Things I Take for Granted?

Yeah, well, you know, when you start looking for an album title, you, you just kind of first you gravitate to is there a song track, you know, and then you think, well, is there a phrase in here? There were a couple that I was bouncing around, but when it all came together to the album as a whole, you know, you're talking about God's love is what, you know, what we just heard, where's God's love gonna go, you never know. And then there's a track on here that I actually considered for my last album, and I waited until now to record it. And it really just talks about the reality of what does it mean to have a home. It says, "Hands build a house, but hearts build a home." You know, the things like I take for granted, even though I'm riding around in this motorhome with two busy kids who are screaming, and some days I just want to say, "Hush!" But you know, somebody is praying that they could even have a child to fill a motorhome with laughter, you know. And that song says, "The things I take for granted, somebody else else is praying for. And I think that came to speak to me in more than just, um, you know, this album of looking for, okay, I need a few good songs that I really want to sing. And then as a whole, it just came to speak to me as, you know, I take for granted my kids sometimes. I take for granted, um, this life that I get to live. I take for granted that, that, um, I— that God's love is never going to leave me. And, you know, it's never It's never too far that if I feel like I've run from him, I can get to it. It's right there. There's a song that talks about news I didn't get. Hey, I didn't get the phone call today that I've got a diagnosis, you know, that I've got to face, or a tragedy has struck my family. So those are all the things we take for granted, and that song just brings tears to my eyes. So I hope it will touch the listeners too.

Yeah, they're solid songs, all of them, and each one, as you're mentioning, like I— they're memorable songs. Like, I know exactly which one you're talking about when you name it, even just by the title. I go, yep, I remember that one so well. But I mean, the stories they tell are vivid. And I'll tell you what I, what I really like about this album. There's, there's a real interesting thing when it comes to like faith-based music. It seems like you're either in this camp of like, well, if, if you do like a, a southern type sound, you're considered southern gospel, but You know, it doesn't always seem like there's room for just a straight-up country album. And, and yours to me is like, like the good kind of country, you know what I mean? Like, it's, it's, it's, it almost takes me back to an era back when, when country was really in its like extreme heyday with, you know, when Garth Brooks and Alan Jackson and Vince Gill, all those guys were like at the top of the world, you know? Yeah, it's your Reba influence, obviously. Yeah, but honestly, it like, it really does have to me like a feel that could fit right in with albums like that. It's just that the songs are much more faith-based, and I feel like musically it stands up to any of those projects, and it's definitely worth a listen to. And that's unique. I really do think that's unique because we don't, we don't hear that many like faith-based country albums that purely are a faith-based album. So I'm excited to get to talk about this and share more. Let's talk a little bit about your producer who you've worked with twice now, and you're back with him again. It's Jerry Salley, and And I know some people follow liner notes and things. It used to be easier when you actually bought CDs and you could see liner notes and stuff. But unless people know the name, they probably won't know really what a big deal he is and what a great honor it was, I'm sure, to work with him. If you look him up online, you'll start to see credits for Jerry as an artist, as a writer, as a composer, and also as a producer. And he's just— it's overwhelming, the people he's worked with. Worked with, like Brad Paisley, Reba McEntire, as we've already talked about. And then I saw Nick Cave, uh, Sarah Evans, Shannon Doherty, the Lonesome River Band, and just on and on and on. So, so tell us what it's like to go into the studio with somebody like Jerry Salley.

Yeah, so, um, prior to these last couple of albums, we'd just kind of done our own thing, and I'd pieced together, um, players and songs and, you know, recording here, and we did a lot of recording, just vocals at the house. And finally, you know, we were 4 albums in to my career, and I thought, you know, I want to push myself. I want to find somebody who'll bring out something different and unique in me. And it's really what you just spoke to, you know. The last album that I recorded with Jerry called Then Jesus Came, when I played that one for my husband, he— it was the first album my husband had not been super involved in. We had had hired Jerry to be producer. And so he kind of heard it as a finished project at the end, and he was like, his— I think the biggest compliment he gave me was, this sounds like an album that is, is just truly you. It is, it's you. And it's that, it's that country feel that you talked about. Um, our joke in— at Trevecca, when, when my husband Craig and I, we were traveling on a music group together, um, our other group members would always say it didn't matter what song they gave me to sing it was gonna be a little bit country if I had to say what. And so finally, after working with Jerry last time, it was, it just, I felt like I finally found myself as an artist and I finally found a way to not just sing, you know, songs that I'd heard other people sing or, you know, feel like I was in a Southern gospel box or I wanted to go to a CCM box, but I didn't really quite fit anywhere. Of those two categories. Now I have this, you know, like you said, faith-based music that is just a good country sound that I think really speaks to young, old, everywhere in between. And it is just truly me, and I feel at home singing these songs. So Jerry, man, he's just, he's so just down to earth and easy to work with that he makes me feel comfortable to try new things. You know, I feel like I can take him at his word if he says, you know, that was great, or I don't really like that. But we work so well together, and so it was just a no-brainer to go back and work with him again.

Well, that's terrific. And you know, that's what a great producer really does, is they help you find your voice. And it's obvious he did that on this album because you do just sound so comfortable. And with some of the notes you hit, I don't know how you possibly could be comfortable because most of us would die if we hit those notes. But you do an— an amazing job. But really, you know, it does. I'm sure it feels like you settled into a place of home with him. And obviously you did to come back and work with him for the second time. I know from my own experiences it makes a great difference when you have an actual producer that really kind of listens for your voice and kind of knows what you sound like. And so that's a neat thing to hear about Jerry. Now, is he one of those producers that also gets in there and plays on the album as well, or is he more of a hands-off kind of listen and give instructions type guy?

Well, he did not play on the album, but he did background vocals. He and I did all the vocals, except with the exception of a couple of songs where we pulled in some other folks to help us out. But yeah, we, we just, we sound great together, I think. So yeah, it was a lot of fun.

Yeah. Now where did you end up recording the album at?

So, um, this album we recorded at the Family Room Studios, okay, uh, just a little bit north of Nashville in Gallatin there. Um, and it is, uh, owned by Rob Tripp, who, you know, the, the name Laverne Tripp might ring a bell with some folks in gospel music. And anyway, it's a great studio, um, and the players were just phenomenal that joined us. That's another one of those things, talking about liner notes Yeah, um, Brent Mason is on guitar. I mean, he's in the Musicians Hall of Fame. You can't get any better than that, man.

I wondered about that because I heard some of those riffs and I was like, that sounds like— like, I'm one of the few that I can actually tell, like, that sounds like Brent Mason because I so idolized him when I was learning to play guitar. But please go on, I cut you off. I don't—

no, no, you're good. It's just, um, you know, just the right, the right, um, combination of talent and the space, you know, the air is comfortable and quaint Yeah, so I just think it turned out great.

Well, our listeners already had a chance to hear "Where the Love of God Is Gonna Go," and I just think that is a great song, and it's got some really interesting vocal and chord changes throughout the song too, and that's a lot of fun. But I want to talk about some of them they haven't had a chance to hear yet, and at the end of the episode today, I'm gonna let you pick between a couple of different songs that I've narrowed it down to. All right, so the listeners will know at the end of the episode, I'm either going to play "Things I Take for Granted" Things I Take for Granted, or I'm going to play Granddaddy's Prayer, and I'm going to let you decide on which one when we wrap up the show today. Sound good?

Sounds good.

All right, so let's talk about those two tracks, and then we can kind of narrow it down in our conversation. Things I Take for Granted, again, it is the title track, and it's very much a song that I think any of us who listen can identify with. But tell me some of your favorite lines from that song, and also tell us who wrote the track.

Track?

Yes, um, things I take for granted. Um, I think my favorite line in the whole, um, track says, I've come to you with every need and never been ignored. And when I think of that, that, you know, God, the creator of the universe, of all the things and all the people, that he's available to us all at the same time, and yet he never ignores any little thing that I bring to him. Uh, and that is It's just an overwhelming thought, and, you know, Lord, let me not ever take that for granted, you know. So, and then of course the hook line, the things I take for granted someone else is praying for. So yeah, that's kind of— those kind of just wrap up that song for me and get me all in my emotions.

That's right. And who did you say was the, was the writer on that track?

The writer on that— oh gosh, let me not I'm gonna say this wrong. Um, Lee Black is one of the writers on there.

Great writer.

Yeah, Christy Fitzwater and, uh, Sue Smith. I believe those are right. I'm sorry, I don't have their names.

No, that's okay. I shouldn't have put you on the spot like that.

I'm pretty sure those are— I'll say those, those guys have, um, 3 songs on, on the project as well, so.

Oh, okay.

They're on there somewhere.

Yeah, well, if listeners just heard some thumping in the background, it's because I'm in the same room with my two dogs and my dog just decided it needed to scratch. So, uh, sorry everyone, you get, you get real life here in the, uh, the James House studio for sure. Well, when you, when you gotta itch, you gotta scratch it. That's right, she just lets it happen. So special guest today, my dogs. All right, uh Well, I think that's a wonderful track. The message comes through, and I honestly, I wondered where it was going to go until the chorus of the— the hook of the chorus happened, where, you know, the things I take for granted, someone else is praying for. And we had a discussion like that in a class at church just a few weeks ago, and one of my friends was saying that when his kids ask him or his— him or his wife, you know, are we rich? And he always tells them, he says, "Yes, undoubtedly we are rich." And the reason he tells them that is not because by American standards they are, but he actually travels all around the world working with Compassionate Ministries and is in places just filled with heartbreaking poverty. And most of us, you know, we think we're poor, but we have so much more than the rest of the world seems to have. And I really appreciate the way that I think this song brings out the idea that the things that we do take for granted, somebody else is praying for. And I think that puts a lot of responsibility back on us as well as for what our mission needs to be and how we need to be blessings to others that maybe don't have even the things that we have. So anyway, just great track. I love that one. So crazy about it. And I want to talk about one that you wrote. On here, and we've already mentioned it. And as I say this, I know because I read and you sent this to me that your grandfather passed away last October, and I want to say I'm sorry. And I know those are significant losses in our lives, and grandparents are special people. But you have a song that you wrote that closes up the album called Granddaddy's Prayer, and I wonder if you could tell us not only about the writing of this song, but there's some specialness about people playing and singing on the track as well.

Yeah, yeah. So I'll first say that I wish that I was a writer just naturally. I'd love to be able to carve out time and dedicate it to that, but in my life I'm finding that without the discipline of it, it's just not— doesn't come naturally to me. But I knew when— I knew I wanted to have a song or two on this project, and then when my grandfather passed away, it just kind of felt like I started thinking about his prayer and how much I was going to miss that. I mentioned to you earlier in our time together that we would always gather as a family for dinner after church on Sunday. And so at least once a week, I would hear my grandfather say the blessing over our meal on Sunday, and it was always the same. You know, "Lord, give us hearts to be thankful for these and all our many blessings. In Christ's name, amen." That was always the prayer. And the day after he passed, he passed, my parents and my sister and I were sitting around a table and we were just kind of sharing memories. And I said, I'm gonna— I can hear him now. I'm gonna miss hearing him pray this prayer. Yeah. And so as I was on the road a couple of weeks after that, I thought, I really want to write this. I want to make it a song somehow. And so it's not going to win any Grammy Awards or anything for Song of the Year, but it's super special to me. And I mentioned it to Jerry and he said, well, usually if those are the things that you feel He's like, you need to say, you got a song in your heart, you need to get it out there. And so I began to put words together and this melody and the front half of the chorus is his prayer, you know, word for word. And it talks about, you know, I'm going to remember his prayer and I'm going to try to live my life in thankfulness like this prayer says. Give us hearts to be thankful for these and all our many blessings. Don't let me take these things for granted, you know. And so, yeah, so I said, okay, I want to have a really special touch on it. So my family is singing on the back half of the song when it talks about our family is going to continue in this tradition. My mom, my sister, my aunt, and then my cousin, and then all of our kids. So my grandfather's grandkids and great-grandkids are all on this track singing along with the chorus. And the very last little tag features just the little kids' voices and it just so perfectly imperfect.

Just wanted to slide this in here really quick into the conversation because just after we talked about the song about Lindsay's grandfather, uh, when we had finished our conversation, Lindsay realized and she texted me and said, oh no, I think I forgot to mention that my grandmother is also singing on the track and I don't want her feelings to be hurt because she did a wonderful job. And I said, I totally know how that goes. You're in the middle of trying to talk on a radio show or a podcast and you just can't get all your thoughts to go where you want them to go. So I wanted to make sure that, uh, that Lindsay's grandma knows, if you're listening today, she didn't forget you, and your contribution to the track was greatly appreciated and was very special. So, all right, uh, we're gonna get back into the episode.

Precious, you know, it's like, oh, you're gonna just, you know, love that forever. And then my dad, um, laid down a Dobro track on it, uh, so he's kind of featured in, in there. So it's just special. You know, like I said, it's not gonna win any huge awards, but I capped off the album with that and went out with a song that's just dear to me. So I hope everybody will enjoy it.

You never know. You just said it's never gonna win awards, but you never know. I mean, in a world where Old Town Road takes the, you know, Country Song of the Year, I mean, who would have expected? You know, there's all kinds of things that we would say never about in this world. But you know what, you know, on a serious note though, the fact that you can remember your grandfather's prayer so well and the consistency of that, you know, you always say it was always this prayer, but there's something special to that and something important, I think, about that kind of consistency and even repetition in the lives when it comes to our children and then in your case grandchildren. It doesn't always have to be like the most elaborate and a new thing different every time. The fact that he was so consistent in that prayer obviously made a difference in your life to the point that you can just quote it, and then it became a song, and then in some really special way now the prayer gets continued through this song, you know. And I love that. I really appreciate it. It's almost like an example of discipleship at its best, you know, and in its simplicity. So I do appreciate the song, and it's It's even more special just knowing the way that your family is involved on that track. So well done, Lindsay, well done.

Oh, thank you.

Well, you know what, this has been great, and I want to close the show today by sharing one of your tracks. And so I'm going to let you pick that closing song in just a minute, but before I do that, I do want to let everyone know that if you go to voicesinmyheadpodcast.com, I'm going to have all these links that I'm about to share with you, and you can just with a simple click go to any of these sites But Lindsay has several places that you can find her online, one being her website at lindseyhuggins.com. And I'm just going to spell her name because sometimes Lindsay is spelled differently, but it's L-I-N-D-S-A-Y-H-U-G-G-I-N-S.com. That's her website. And then you can find her on Facebook at Lindsay Huggins Music. Also, you can find her on Twitter @lindsaylu33. Instagram, Lindsay Lou 3384. And you can also listen to her on YouTube at youtube.com/hugginsproductions, or just do a Google search for her name. For crying out loud, people, it's 2020, so you can, you can find her for sure.

But thank my granddaddy, Lindsay Lou.

All right, very good. So, but again, we will have all those links on our website at voicesinmyheadpodcast.com. So Lindsay, the, the time has come, and I'm letting you pick between those two songs today. Things I Take for Granted or Granddaddy's Prayer? How will we close the episode today?

Oh, it's a hard choice. Let's go with the title track, Things I Take for Granted. Okay, they'll just have to buy the album here, Granddaddy's Prayer.

They will have to buy it and then maybe buy some copies for their family members, that's for sure. Well, Lindsay, this has been a real pleasure. Thank you for sharing your music and your time today, and thank you for being one of the Voices in My Head this week.

Thanks, Rick.

Let all my prayers begin and end with thank you. That's how I wanna live. That's how I wanna live. 'Cause I can't begin to count the ways that you have blessed me, Lord. I've come to you with every need and never been ignored. You've always been so good to me. How could I ask for more when the things I take for granted someone else is praying for? I know I'm one to whom much has been given. It's only right that much will be required. So let me learn to love with arms wide open. Lord, that's my heart's desire. Yes, that's my heart's desire. I can't begin to count the ways that you have blessed me, Lord. I've come to you with every need and every cry. Never been ignored. You've always been so good to me. How could I ask for more when the things I take for granted someone else is grateful for? You've always been so good me. How could I ask for more when the things I take for granted, all the things I take for granted, someone else is praying for?

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