Voices In My Head Podcast #222: Refugees, Racism, and Simple Worship

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Welcome back to Voices in My Head. Boy, I'm glad to be here with you tonight. Thank you. Well, it may be morning wherever you are. It's night for me. I've had a very interesting day. It's been a great day. At the time of recording this, by the way, this is the 16th of August. If you're listening, who knows what day it'll be. It's probably going to be after the 16th. But today was the day that I have been anticipating for a while. We finally got to release the music video for "More Than the Watchman," Psalm 130. You never know. I hoped and prayed and wanted people to share this video as much as possible. I kind of can watch things on Facebook because they tell you how many views you have had. The video went out at 9:00 AM Eastern time this morning. I am recording this at 9:00 PM PM. So we've had 12 hours in between, and I've hoped and prayed maybe we could have 100 views an hour, and we are well beyond that. I think we're going to get over 2,000 views, uh, maybe in the next, uh, couple hours from now. Right now we're sitting at over 1,700 views of this video. Uh, it seems like people have been sharing it quite a lot. I've had so many nice comments from people throughout the day that they have been watching it and sharing it with other people. I woke up, I wasn't sure how the day was going to go. It was an interesting morning. By the way, this is not an episode about the music video. I am just trying to update you on some things before I get into what this episode is really about. So bear with me for a moment. But I woke up with the strangest comments because I had been posting about how we can hopefully help refugees. Through this video, and that is my hope and prayer. It's the heartbeat of why I made this video in the first place. And I woke up, oddly enough, on my phone. I had messages people had been writing on my page. I had to delete a couple of the comments because I was being insulted. I was being told to wake up, and, you know, they really were people offended, I guess, that I was about helping refugees. And it was odd, people I didn't know. It seemed very hateful, and You know, in the environment that we're in right now, which is what I'm gonna talk a little bit about tonight, not entirely, but it's just sad that we are at a place where helping others and helping people in the deepest need, that people are so against that. And God help us if we're in that place as a country right now. But one comment about the video beyond that, once the video started sharing, I really had nothing— but incredibly encouraging comments. I can't believe how much it's being shared already. My hope and prayer is that it will go well beyond where I can take it myself. And that people will be able to find some ways to help. If for no other reason, just share the stories of some of these people. I do want you to know, if you haven't seen the music video yet, maybe one of the easiest ways for you to see it is on the front page of rickleejames.com. That is my website. I put a link right at the top of the page that says "More Than the Watchman." You can click on that and it will take you to a special page that I made for the music video, which is inside the website. It is easier to point you to there than to give you the actual website. It is a real long address, so I am not going to give you that. But if you go to rickleejames.com, it is right there on the top of the page. What that will do is it will take you to a site that says "More Than the Watchman Psalm 130 Official Music Video." From that page you can watch the YouTube video straight from there. It also has a couple links of the albums that this song is included on where you can find it. And it also has this little message in the middle of the page. It says, "When you share this video, please consider adding a message like the following." And the message just says, "Together we can help millions of refugees who have been forced from their homes by violence and war. #refugees @RickLeeJames." And the reason I included that in those letters is that will fit if you share it in Twitter. So if you're a person that uses Twitter like I do, that allows you to, to link my name. It gives a hashtag for refugees, and hopefully will point people with a heart to help to the video where they can see it and find some ways to help. Also on that page, you'll find a link that says, "Find out how you can help today at www.ncm.org/refugees," and that will take you to Nazarene Compassionate Ministries website, and you'll find a lot more information about what refugees are going through.. You'll find out ways you can help, even ways that you can pray that you may not have known about before. And then there's another link at the bottom that will point you to Lifeway Worship if you are interested in buying sheet music for this song that you can use either for your own enjoyment or for congregations. So, just wanted to make you aware of that. And of course, you can watch it over on Facebook too. You can go to the Facebook artist page, Rick Lee James artist page, facebook.com/rickleejames. /rickleejames, and you'll be able to find it there. I encourage you to share it, and share it often if you can. Share it in groups, share it in pages, share it if you have a playlist on YouTube, feel free to share that. If you're on Spotify, you can share the song. I want to get the message out about this, and the more that we actually point people to the links online, the more that we can actually point them to NCM's website where they can actually find out more information, how to do some practical help to helping these refugees in ways that you may not have thought about before. So that's just sort of an update on things. It's been a good day overall for the music video release. Well, I want to share briefly before I get into the real topic tonight, but I just got back from an event called Standing in Solidarity Against Hate. It was here in downtown Springfield, Ohio, where I live, and it was to join other members from the community, people who are activists, people who are faith leaders, just to stand in solidarity against racism and violence. Now, I don't usually like to be known for what I'm against as a believer or even as a human, but in this case I'm gonna make an exception. I am strongly against racism. I am strongly against violence in any form, and I just, I wanted to be there tonight. I needed to be there with my fellow brothers and sisters in Springfield, Ohio. All of us know, I'm sure at this point, about Charlottesville. It's been a week and maybe two weeks of just feeling demoralized in some ways for me because we're starting the second week. Last week began, as you know if you listen to the podcast, I addressed the fire and fury of nuclear weapons that are being threatened, and sort of the early church's view on violence and where we should maybe come down at when we look at scripture. And then, you know, just it seemed like hours later, this group of Nazis, KKK members, white extremists— hate groups is what they are— And there's no way around that. They are hate groups, and they're violent. They carried weapons. They were ready to do no good, and they met in Charlottesville, Virginia. We know the tragic outcome that came from that. There were protesters there protesting the hate, protesting the violence. One young lady was killed. Today was her funeral, and it's just sad all around. And I know people want to say, as our president has said in a very cowardly way, like he has always done, he said, "No, no, it's wrong on both sides." Well, just let's just get this out right now. This is not a partisan issue. It is wrong to support Nazis in any way, and we should never give them equal time, and we should never listen to their hate spewing. And I don't care how liberal or how conservative you are, that should just be something we all agree on. It was interesting that the president backtracked his comments and gave them a legitimacy on the day that we were celebrating the 1945 celebration of the end of World War II, where the Nazis were defeated. And you know, you just can't—

I just—

there's no way, and especially as a Christian, you cannot support Nazis, okay? Racism is wrong. Hate speech is always wrong. And so we pray for all the people involved in this situation. We pray for our president, we pray for the nation, we pray for the nations, and we pray for these people who are in these extremist groups that we would not become as they are. We don't want to give the same hate. I believe wholeheartedly that the only thing that can change a person whose heart is full of hate is love, and I believe that the that God is love. I don't believe that it just comes from the Father, although it does, but scripture tells us that God is love. And if we know God, we will exhibit the love of God in our lives. And I believe it can transform. I have heard stories of people who have been transformed out of that life. So I don't want to meet them with the same hate, and I don't want to meet them with the same violence. And it was wonderful to be in downtown Springfield tonight where that was very much the message, that we stand against those who would hate others. We wanted to just be in solidarity, really with a message of love, and a message that said we won't abide by people who spew hate to other people. If we can agree on anything together, we should be able to agree on that, I would think, and especially in the church. Literally for the love of God. We need to be people who stand up against hatred. And so it was a proud thing to be able to stand with people who I live with in this city and meet some new friends. I met some wonderful people tonight. Some of them I hope to have on the podcast in the near future. I met some a mother and daughter who are Muslims who have an amazing story to share and have been doing some really cool things, sharing about misconceptions about the Muslim community, trying to talk with other people of other faiths, of people who maybe don't understand and have questions, and have been doing that since 2001, since 9/11. And it was a pleasure to meet them tonight. They, they said some amazing things at this rally that really, they touched my heart. It was a beautiful moment, I think, and the generosity that they shared in those moments, something I hope I can share with you there. There was people of faith, people, I'm sure some maybe that didn't have any faith at all, but it seems like everybody that spoke tonight at this event, I actually started thinking, wow, I hope the people that aren't Christians aren't offended because Jesus' name was so lifted up tonight and so prayed to this evening. But But I was grateful to be among people who had a common thread. So with that being said, I wanted to share one thing that as the events happened in Charlottesville, I wanted to share this chilling letter that I came across just to show you how evil this is and why we really need to stand united against it as Christians. There was a letter that came out of a local synagogue there from this past weekend in Charlottesville, and as I'm sure all of us know, that for Jewish people Saturday is the Sabbath. And there was a group of Jews meeting for worship on Saturday morning at their synagogue. This is a letter from someone who was at that Jewish synagogue there in Charlottesville. Said, on Saturday morning I stood outside our synagogue with the armed security guard we hired after the police department refused to provide us with an officer during morning services. Even this police department's limited promise of an observer near our building was not kept. And no, we did not ask for protection of our property, only our people as they worshiped. 40 congregants were inside. Here is what I witnessed during that time. For half an hour, 3 men dressed in fatigues and armed with semi-automatic rifles stood across the street from the temple. Had they tried to enter, I don't know what I could have done to stop them, but I couldn't take my eyes off them either. Perhaps the presence of our armed guard deterred them. Perhaps their presence was just a coincidence and I'm paranoid. I don't know. Several times parades of Nazis passed our building shouting There's the synagogue, followed by chants of "Sieg Heil" and other antisemitic language. Some carried flags with swastikas and others Nazi symbols. A guy in a white polo shirt walked by a synagogue a few times, arousing suspicion. Was he casing the building or trying to build up courage to commit a crime? We didn't know. Later I noticed that the man accused in the automobile terror attack wore the same polo shirt as the man who kept walking by our synagogue. Apparently it's the uniform of a white supremacist group. Even now, that gives me a chill. When services ended, my heart broke as I advised congregants that it would be safer to leave the temple through the back entrance rather than through the front, and to please go in groups. This is 2017 in the United States of America. Later that day, I arrived on the scene shortly after the the car plowed into peaceful protesters. It was a horrific and bloody scene. Soon we learned that the Nazi websites had posted a call to burn our synagogue. I sat with one of our rabbis and wondered whether we should go back to the temple to protect the building. What could I do if I were there? Fortunately, it was just talk, but we had already deemed such an attack within the realm of possibilities. Taking the precautionary step of removing our Torahs, including a Holocaust scroll, from the premises. Again, this is America in 2017. That's horrifying to me, just absolutely horrifying. I want to put something in a little bit of context that my friend Brandon Sipes, who works for Nazarene Compassionate Ministries International— we were talking about this last night. And he said, just to give a little bit of context about this, imagine if it was the other extreme. Imagine if instead of it being Nazis, let's say it was 4 years ago and President Obama was still in office. And let's say instead of Nazis, it was an extremist Muslim group, the same type that flew the planes into the towers at 9/11. Of that same group, and they decided to meet downtown in one of our cities with weapons in hand and were spewing all kinds of hate speech about the people that they were against and the people that they wanted to leave the country, and threatening violence and threatening death. Can you imagine what would have happened? First of all, you know, they're people of color, so they would have been killed most likely because that's what people do in our country.

Unfortunately.

But imagine what would have happened if President Obama then stood up and said, "No, no, there's wrong on both sides. The Islam, the extremists, they have their point, and the people on the other side that are against anti-Muslim extremism, they're also wrong." Imagine if that would have been made by President Obama, that statement. It is the exact same thing as what our president did now. It's just that instead of Muslim extremists, it's Nazi extremists. It's white extremists and hate people. So bear that in mind when you start a statement on Facebook or with a friend, and you start saying, "First of all, I hate Nazis." 'But let's look at this from their side.' No, there's no 'but.' You just need to be against Nazis, alright? It's sin, it's evil, and it's an ideology that no Christian can support. And don't pretend it's the same thing as people who are picketing it, alright? A picket sign is a lot different. A picket sign saying that you are against hatred is a lot different than a person spouting hatred and there with weapons. I'm not even gonna argue with anybody about this. I just want you to know clearly where I stand and where I think Jesus stands on this matter. It's never right, and I will— I just— I don't think there's any way we can defend it in any way. I know there's not. So be in prayer about this situation for sure. We need to be the church in this time. I do know this, that The reason many people join extremist groups, it's the same reason that people join any group. They have found a family there. They have found people that have accepted them where other people have not. I've heard stories of people who were delivered from these extremist groups who became followers of Christ and were just radically saved, and they will tell you that the reason they joined in the first place, it wasn't because of the hateful spirit beach. It wasn't because of the ideology. It was because they found people who for the first time brought them in and allowed them to be one with the group. They found they had a place to belong. They had a family. They had people that looked out for them. And many people come from homes and from backgrounds and from places where people don't treat them that way. And my friends who are listening tonight, please know this: if they don't find a home in the church, they're gonna find it somewhere. And it might very well be a hate group. Because even hate groups find ways to care for each other, and a lot of times that's why they're hateful, because they have been turned away in the rest of the world. All that is to say, don't become the hate. Be the love of Christ in the world. Be the love of Jesus in the world. Alright, well, speech is over as far as that. I just felt I needed to clarify where I stand on these matters and where I hope all Christians will stand in this time. Believe me, it is not a Republican/Democrat whatever. It's nothing like that. That gets thrown in all the time. So this is a humanity thing. That's why I addressed it here on the podcast. Tonight. I felt like it was important that we do that. Well, I want to address one other thing before I go tonight, and I'll try not to take a super long time to do it. But I received a really nice message from someone, a listener to the podcast, a new listener, and I'm gonna try to bring that up quickly if I can. There was a few questions that she had asked me to address, and I thought— I knew I was gonna have a busy time and a busy day with the video release. I was on a radio show today and just doing some promoting and trying to get the word out. And I don't know if she wants me to say her name or not, so I'm not gonna say her name on the podcast. But I did want to let you know that she had asked questions, sent me kind of a lengthy message, so I'm gonna try as best as I can to answer a few of her questions. She starts the email by saying that she recently discovered the podcast because of This Nazarene Life's podcast that I did the crossover with. And I'm finding that we're getting a lot of new visitors because of that podcast. So thank you, This Nazarene Life. It was great to be on your show, and I appreciated being on it. And this person says that they are the pastor of a small home church, and they are huge fans of hymns. So probably because this person is closer to 40, but this person said that they love the workshops that I did at General Assembly and the podcast about the hymns and whether they are going to be the MySpace of today. And so I appreciate those kind words. Well, then I got some questions I'm trying to pick out in this, this long message. It was rather lengthy. The main question was for me, and I'm going to do my best to answer this. Again, I don't claim to be an expert, and there are probably people with better ideas. So if you hear these questions and you're a worship leader and you say, "Hey, I have a better idea than that," by all means please write in or even call the podcast and leave a message. I believe we still have our voice line if you go to the the podcast page, but if not, send an email or a voice text or something, and we'll make sure we get it on the air. But the main question is, which songs would you suggest we start with in order to incorporate hymns a little bit more into our church and a little more palatable? Would it be better to base sermons around certain songs and theologies to slowly introduce singing? What songs might be best a cappella since we don't currently have an instrumentalist. And this person says, "I really love the way you modernized some of the songs," which I did on the podcast from General Assembly, one of them. "If recordings of those are available anywhere, please point me in that direction." And so, first of all, let me say yes. If you go to my album Hymns, Prayers, and Invitations, some of those songs that were on that podcast are available there. And you can get those songs through Lifeway Worship .com. If you look up my name, Rick Lee James, you'll be able to find all my arrangements that I've had published with LifeWay from that album. So, I'll point you to that album first of all. Some of the songs I did were not available on there, but if you go to rickleejames.com, a few of them I have made available. If you just do a search on the site, I think there's even a tab if you click on the upper left-hand corner, there are some song arrangements for hymns that I have done and have provided some lead sheets for free of charge. So you should be able to find some of those. Now the question as to which songs to start with if you're trying to— and this person explained that the church has sort of a minimal musical ability and people that are not fantastic at sight reading, and we want music that is something that they are enjoying doing while worshiping and participating, and this person is trying to decide how to do it without feeling like an old thing to do. Hymns in many places are not well known, some of the older ones especially, and so they might actually feel new when you start introducing them. I think my suggestion would be find songs that you feel like have a meter that you find easily singable. I don't really have a specific song in mind, but there are some hymns in our hymn book that are from a different era, and to be frank, they were pop songs of their era. I mean, they were sort of— even if they're like what I call the carousel type songs that have a dun dun dun da dun dun da dun dun da, you know, it almost sounds like you're riding on a horse and going around the carousel, you know. I was sinking deep in sin, Fa da da da. You know, things like that. But what I have found is if I go through the hymnal and I sing some of those old songs, first of all, it needs to be a song that I feel comfortable with. And if it is something that I can sing easily. I will give you an example of a song that may not sing easily for a congregation. And almost universally wherever I have tried to sing this It's not worked very well. I love the Lord's Prayer, but when I have used the Lord's Prayer from the hymnal, that's just an example of a song with an irregular meter that is very hard for most congregations to sing unless they've been singing it for a very long time. Or the prayer of Saint Francis called Eternal Life, which is in the Nazarene hymnal. It might be called something different in other ones, but if you can go through and find a song that has a consistent meter to it. I would just say try to seek out those songs first of all. There's a reason that a song like Amazing Grace has lasted. Other than the lyric of it, it has a tune that's very consistent when you're working with it. And that's why it's so versatile. The meter that it is written in enables it to be used in a multitude of settings. You can do it upbeat, you can do it slow, you can do it mid-tempo, you can do it rocky, you can do it country, you can do it acapella. Did I say acapello? I meant a cappella. But you can do it, you know, it's very consistent in that, and you know, the next line when you come back around, and then the third line, the meter, the timing is is pretty much the same in there even if the notes change. So I'd say, you know, kind of go to a hymnal that you find is familiar to you and maybe something that you feel like is easily singable. It doesn't have to just be Amazing Grace, but try to work in that meter. Another thing I would say is, and I have a guitar here so maybe I can do a little bit of an example, a song like Holy, Holy, Holy. I like Holy, Holy, Holy as a song to kind of reintroduce, to congregations. If you look at the way it's written in a hymnal, it's not actually that simple for a lot of players to sit down because you'll have— hopefully you can hear this, I'm talking through my earbuds right now instead of my regular microphone. But if you do it from the hymnal, it's like, "Holy, holy, holy Lord God of hosts." Early in the morning, a song shall rise to thee. You know, there's just, there's like a lot of movement in there, you know, if you play the chords straight out as it is. But I did this this weekend in a church that was really contemporary and doesn't do a lot of hymns. One thing that you can do is instead of playing every chord, if you have a hymnal that has the chords above it and if your people are not great at reading, try crossing out a few of the chords. Maybe on a song like that, maybe just do every 2 beats. Play on beats 1 and beat 3 on Holy, Holy and listen to how it changes the feel when you're not doing tons of movement on a piano or a guitar. And you just have like a holy, holy, holy Lord God Almighty. So what you hear that is it feels a little simpler and you don't have to even do it slow, but if you're playing on beats 1 and beats 3, I don't know if you heard that, but it was 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4. And you can even do it like as a fast song if you wanted to. Kind of a—

Holy, holy, holy Lord God Almighty.

So there's songs like that that have consistent meter to them, and that consistent meter really helps. If it's in irregular meter, it's harder for everybody to sing. I just know that from experience, and it's harder to modernize songs like that. So unless you can figure out a way to make an irregular meter type song a regular one, I would suggest you try to just look for hymns in the hymn book that have a very consistent meter to it. I'm trying to think of a different one, like— and this is going to be totally on the spot, so I apologize if it's not a great example. "To God Be the Glory" maybe is one that I'm thinking of.

To God be the glory, great things He had done. So loved He the world that He gave us His Son.

You know, that's another one that probably has a lot of movement in the hymnal, but if you can just simplify it down to a couple of chords, you don't have to play every single chord that's on the page. And that's just one of the ways that I've found to help. You know, you can do that song with about, what, 3, maybe 4 chords. Try playing like the first chord of every measure instead of every chord that's in there, and you might have like a To God be the glory, great things he has done.

So loved he the world that he gave us his son.

And I, I think that, yeah, 4 chords I think is all you need in that song. So let me double check. Yeah, so 4 or 5 chords all the way through. And I don't know any other way to tell you to maybe do that as far as introducing those songs. And even if you did those a cappella, I think that's doable. Don't worry so much about the chords. I think a song like that you can do a cappella. I think you can do Holy, Holy, Holy a cappella. It doesn't have to be like huge with a big band. I think you could do it in a small Bible study. You know, sit around and just start singing songs like Holy, Holy, Holy. And so yeah, I know that this person, if you're listening, you asked a lot more than I'm able to get into probably on the podcast. And I'm still going to try to to get into it. But a lot of it is, you know, I do get tired of— as much as I like songs like Oceans and songs that really do this long build and it's sort of a roller coaster ride, it does feel like at times the songs are very drawn out. And if you just want to do a song that doesn't have quite so much drama to it musically, I like those songs. I'm not I'm not really saying anything against songs like that, but a song that is just simple, simple, like Get In and Get Out, you know, you don't have to do lots of production on the song necessarily. I think there's a place for some very simple songs and some very simple singing, and sometimes the simpler is the better. And that's again, you know, if we go back to our original example of Amazing Grace, That is just a very simple song to sing. It's written very simply. It's sung very simply. And if you have trouble with that, again, go through the hymnal, look up some of the meters in the back. You might find a different hymn tune that, you know, you'll see sometimes that there are 3 or 4, 5, 6 songs in the hymnal that are using the same tune. Or you might find a different— look up the meter and see if there's other songs in the book that have the same meter that maybe even have a different tune. And if you can find something that is more singable, by all means find that. There's a lot of trial and error with trying to adapt and modernize hymns. So I wanted to address that a little bit tonight on the podcast as much as I could. I know we've had multiple subjects on this week's Voices in My Head podcast, so bear with me on that. And I don't even know what to title it at this point. We've talked about the new music video, which is intended to bring sort of a spotlight on the refugee crisis and to bring help to those who are so desperate. We've talked about anti-Nazism and trying to follow Jesus and to respond to our enemies with love. We've talked about modernizing hymns. And so this is hopefully a podcast that maybe there's a little bit of something for everybody in here tonight. I hope that's the case. But next week, on probably the next show, Walter Brueggemann will be with us. I get to spend some time with Walter Brueggemann again. Really looking forward to having him as a guest. I believe this is the third time that we've gotten together. I always leave encouraged and uplifted and just feeling very hopeful about the world after I spent some time with Walter Brueggemann, one of our great theologians. And I'm just honored that he, I guess, enjoys my time too, because we keep doing this and getting together to hang out. And he's such a good man and has done so much for the church. So be looking for that, probably the next episode of Voices in My Head, unless I feel like I need to squeeze another one in here. But it's been great to be with you, and I want to thank all of you for listening week after week. And one more promo from a sponsor, and then we're gonna get out of here for tonight. Thank you for listening to Voices in My Head.

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