Episode 114: The Lymphatic Secrets Everyone Should Know with Kelly Kennedy, LNRT, LMST

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Dr. Rob Whitfield, the board certified plastic surgeon specializing in explant surgery. Breast implant illness is a topic that is not often talked enough about, especially in medical community, but is something that affects many women. In this podcast I will be discussing the latest research, treatment options and personal stories of women who have undergone explant surgery in an effort to heal breast implant illness. In this podcast, we'll explore the symptoms of breast implant illness and delve into the latest surgical techniques for explantation and the recovery process. Whether you are currently experiencing breast implant illness or are considering explant surgery, this podcast is a valuable resource for anyone looking to take control of their health and wellness. So let's dive in. Welcome everyone. Today I have Kelly Kennedy. Kelly Kennedy's career in medicine started with more of an allopathic approach, but changed after experiencing several traumatic events that made her realize that good health is more than just taking medications and undergoing surgeries. For the last 27 years, Kelly has dedicated her life to uncovering answers to healing through alternative theory therapies, including bioregulatory medicine, energy medicine and somatic work. Kelly is commonly referred to as the Lymph Queen and is the mind behind Energy Flow and Transformative Energy Flow Formula, an approach and technique that addresses and restores energy, fascial lymph, oxygen and water. She resides in Pennsylvania with her husband Ian and son Silas, seen clients for the past 19 years at their clinic, the True Wellness Center. Welcome Kelly to the show.

So the lymphatic system is very underrated and it's very complex because it's so involved in literally aspect of our lives. I mean it's in the nerve cell, it's in the spaces around the cells. And as you say, it would be nice to have people prevent having issues and needing surgery with lymph. And I don't see people just that have had surgical issues or have had edema that have lymph issues. I'm not a lymphedema therapist for clarity's sake. I am a body worker and a terrain specialist that has seen lymph as like the, the thing, the linchpin if you will, that everything connects to that is something that not a lot of us are paying attention to. And yet it's the key to opening up a lot of cases and keeping people well. Not only reversing issues, but also keeping people well and preventing illness, which is the cold and pain.

Right. I think the way I try to help patients understand it or think about it is we have and we'll go not too deep, but so in the bloodstream, we have a protein level, and it creates something called oncotic pressure. So through our diets, we increase or decrease. We'll say, relatively speaking, our oncotic pressure, along with, obviously, other aspects of this. And if our oncotic pressure is. We'll just say, adequate, then fluid will move from a lower concentration of oncotic pressure to a higher concentration of oncotic pressure, and that'll draw, you know, fluids out of the tissues. The lymphatic system basically is the most powerful filtration system that exists. It's extremely elegant and very efficient. But if it's. People use the term sluggish, I don't know what you prefer to describe it as. But if the tissue are full of fluid because the lymphatic system is obstructed or inefficient, however we're going to term that, then people will have more problems with swelling, and that's how we get edema. And there's a whole. We're not going to go into all the different things about lymphedema and things like that, but just. This is more of a conversation of, like, yes, this system exists. It's all over the body. And what can we do as another lever to pull to help patients, you know, feel better? Because when you're carrying additional fluids around, because it's just kind of stuck in the tissues, it's like carrying a little weight around your neck doesn't feel very good. You. If you're. I always joke with patients, I can make anybody lose 10 pounds overnight. All I have to do is give you a diuretic and move fluid out of your system. But we don't really. That's not how we want to do it. We want to have your lymphatic system take care of the fluid so that your body is the gatekeeper of the fluid balance. It's just trying to get your systems working better.

Well, and that's one of its things. I mean, we have a. I have a list on a slide of all the different things that the lymphatic does. But you're right, it is that lever. It's that sewage system that oftentimes we don't drain out. And I ask clients about their bowels. Do you move your bowels every day? Do you poop two to three times a day? If you're eating two to three times a day, 50% of our lymph is in our gut. And a lot of people talk about bowel health as the ultimate health. And for me, it has a lot to do with whether or not our, our lymphs are moving. And that has a lot to do with whether or not we are moving. Because unlike our cardiovascular system, the lymph doesn't have a pump. So it is this beautiful intricate system, the sewage system of pipes and nodes. But what's another analogy for nodes like little oil filters throughout the body. Pipes and oil filters. Pipes and oil filters. And we gotta move the fluid throughout the body through the pipes to the oil filters. So then it can be dumped through the blood system and it can be utilized or gotten rid of as waste, which is majority of it is waste. But it's also responsible for our protein circulation absorption and our fat absorption and circulation. So it's so integral and vital. We can't live without a limb system. But most people don't know much about it. Much like oxygen, right? I mean, we can't live without oxygen, but most people don't focus a lot about that. We focus a lot about food, but we can eat or not eat rather for weeks. We can even not drink for a few days. I mean, people do dry fast, yet we can't breathe and we can't live without our oxygen and we can't live without our lymph system. And these are two things that we really focus on at energy. With the energy flow branding that we really. That I've applied the energy flow science that I've applied throughout the last 20 years at the True Wellness Center. Because the lymph is the majority of the body. If we're 80% water, the lymph is the fluidy, watery part of the body, or ideally fluidy, not thick like gel. Then we should really start to focus on. That would be my goal. I don't love the word should, but ideally we're focusing on that. I invite everyone to focus on that system so that we can learn how to mobilize it. Why it gets stuck, what makes it thick, what makes it not be fluid and flowing. Because everything in life ideally flows and moves. And if it doesn't, if we have stagnant water, we know it happens in stagnant water. It gets mucky and gross and things start growing in it, just like happens in our body. And if we have surgeries or injuries, then particularly we already get edemas, then we've got to mobilize the lymph and help it ideally so that doesn't get stuck and then create longer term issues with our range of motion and function, let alone of the Structure itself, but just of the function as well of that structure.

Yeah, we have had a, you know, as one of our tenants, just trying to always improve, you know, lymphatic drainage. And just by, you know, the virtue of the. My clinic set up more for post operative care because typically people are coming from outside of the community to the clinic. So I think, you know, obviously even when we stand all day or we travel for a long period of time in a car or a plane or whatever the transportation mode is, we get some, to your point, stagnation because it creates pooling because there's not a lot of activity. Our activity obviously will, to your point, improve the transport if the system's working. So we have utilized different types of therapeutics. I have a certified, you know, lymphatic massage therapist on my staff at my clinic. But then we leverage devices because although it would be great to have a therapist work on every single patient, that's not a very practical way to take care of the number of patients we see. It's, it's not even possible actually. So every single patient, after they have surgeries in the clinic and that we have flopresso in the clinic, which is a great tool to enhance, if you want to think of it that way, lymphatic drainage. Because Kelly highlighted this. But I am the biggest producer of inflammation you can find. I operate on people for a living. So I immediately make people swell in the site of surgery and any other things that we do in those surrounding tissues, whether it's placement of fluids or medications or what have you, that's going to create more of a, a volume to be drained by the lymphatic system. So maybe touch on like that. We're very focused on the, the breast here and that's a very significant area in terms of drainage for the arm and the axilla and the flank waist area.

So one thing too, I also want to mention is the quality of the practitioners and the quality of the tech. And as you had mentioned when I interviewed you, and you've made me really aware of how large the United States is. Right. And how difficult it is to find quality practitioners that actually can move the needle when you lay on their table. And so having one or two therapists in a 50 mile radius is just not sufficient for what we're up against. And so having tech like Flo Prezo, that can really give you the quality of care and put you through the, what I call the roto rooter, the hugging machine that allows the compression, the infrared and the sequential patterned In a purposeful way to allow the body to drain out. That sewage system is key. But I would agree from everything that I've, whether they're getting surgery or not, from the cisterna up from the rib cage up to about the neck is where the majority of people hold their toxicants. I do contact regulation, thermography. I don't know if you're Familiar with that, Dr. Whitfield. Yeah, we have thermography and it's, I mean, I've been doing it for 20 years. And it's undeniable that people have stagnation in their neck, in their submandibulars, in their breast, and that 75% of that breast drains on the lateral side. Then the 25% will drain up to the termini in the neck area. But then 20% of our lymph is in our neck and everybody wants this area to drain, but it's clogged. It's clogged from tight clothes, from lack of movement, from tight fitting bras, from wifi because we're sitting in chairs all day long and that's where we're getting blasted from chlorinated baths and showers after we create micro nicks from shaving. And the chlorine is going right into the system and the lymphatic system has to deal with it. A lot of the perfumes and a lot of the body care and so forth that a lot of people use, that goes right into the skin, that goes right into the lymphatic system is another thing the body has to deal with. I mean, I'm a happy person, but you know, there's a lot we're up against and a lot of that happens from the diaphragm up to the neck. And so that's a lot of exposure without a lot of movement. And so getting the body to open up the doors and then move the fluid through the door, so to speak, or open up the oil filters, which are the lymph nodes, and then getting the vessels to move more fluid into the, the oil cans and then changing those oil cans. I mean, I'm not a car person. I mean, I love driving a car fast, but I don't know much about it. But I know that I have to change my oil filter every once in a while because every 6,000, 10,000 miles depending on the car, because that oil gets clunky and thick and then as it circulates, the car doesn't work as well. It's not as well lubricated. Well, that lymph fluid and that fascia is very much the similar analogy that lymph fluid gets thick from lifestyle, from exposures from our own cellular debris. And we got to drain that out. And given today's modern society and how we sit, how there's a lot of forward head motion, how there's a lot of rolling of the chest, how there's a lot of tight fitting clothes, this all contributes to a lockdown sewage system that doesn't drain out its toxicants and then we build problems in that area. So for your community particularly now, they have scars, that for me is a further detour. So opening up the scar tissue, whether it's six weeks old or 16 years old or 60 years old, allowing that scar tissue to start to be alleviated, allowing the roadways where that fascia start or that lymph is starting to flow also contributes to allowing more of a healing capacity and allowing the body to heal itself by giving it better movement, better circulation and better flow to allow the oxygen to get there. That takes out all the toxicants when we exhale. Because while we pee and poop them out, we also sweat them out. Yes, but we breathe out more toxicants than we do either one of those other things. So lymph no, give them a.

We talk about things like microplastics and things that can obstruct and I don't want anybody listening to not understand the. We're going to talk about some of the evidence and things that could contribute to this. But there needs to be a lot more research. So let's, I'll give you know how I think about this problem and we'll use a real time example of what's been discussed a lot lately. And there's a lot of ongoing research about microplastics. And microplastics can be. Nano is below 0.5 microns, I believe and then above 0.5 microns to 5 millimeters is micro. So nano, super small. And microplastics will say under 5 millimeters to 0.5. And then I believe I'm being correct about that, but I'm going to have to, I'll get a better definition. So any of these things can come from things we use standardly, like you know, a single use plastic water bottle, for instance. And so I always am telling patients, just obviously if you can drink out a glass or stainless and you don't want, because they're, they're potentially not just lymphatic disruptors, they're endocrine disruptors. There's, there's all Sorts of things. And we're just talking about drainage, but everybody's like, what the hell are you talking about? You know, what is a lymphatic vessel? Lymphatic vessel is smaller and more flimsy than a vein, which returns blood back. And to not, like, make it any more complex than that. It's probably easier to obstruct than any of these because it lacks a muscular wall that can help it prevent it from collapse. And it's probably with the advent of things like microplastics. And the microplastics have been found in every type of tissue in the human body. Like, if you just look up a study in a tissue, it's going to be in the liver, it's going to be in your brain, it's going to be in all the tissues. And of course, it's been found in lymph nodes. And of course, that means it had to be in the lymphatics. And when you would dissect a lymphatic and look at it under a microscope, you would then be able to identify that so much like a. We'll just use the example of, you know, a stream gets obstructed by branches and what have you, it creates a blockage. The microplastics themselves can create a decrease in the lymphatic drainage that Kelly's talking about. That leaves us stuck. And she's telling you the right things. Like, there's lots of areas and there's obviously lots of opportunities for any of these things to get into your system. She gave you some examples. Obviously, there's all sorts of things, and we don't need to go necessarily in the whole phthalate and bisphenol discussion. But these things are all found on plastics and get into our tissues through drinking, breathing application on our skin. So none of this is not founded in science. There needs to be a lot more work done on its effects. But these are not new conceptually, so that everybody can. This is, you know, not made up. This is a real issue that we face all the time. And there have been, you know, podcasts that I've listened to, and there are books that discuss this about, like, even in salt, like sea salt, because it's from the ocean. And there's obviously, we've not done a great job in taking care of our ocean.

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And the plastic, which everybody's seen on the. Whatever, you know, platform you watch. It's not like I can say one platform anymore. On the viewing platform you use. I'm sure there's an example. If you just type in plastics in the ocean, you'll get a great example of what we've done in terms of looting that environment. So I just wanted to give them a real time example of. All right, if you just take a plastic water bottle and the things that come off of that and that were to get into your system either by ingestion or application of a cream or inhaling. Of course you can inhale it because it comes off of tires even. I mean, there's. There's not a. A moment in time where you're not probably getting exposed to one of the various pollutants or anything.

So in terrain theory. I appreciate that in terrain theory, we talk so much about the environment, right? The. If the fish was in a bowl of water and the fish started to get sick, you wouldn't. You would change the water to get the fish to be healthy. I mean, I grew up in a pet store with fish. This was a pretty common experience. So when I was exposed to terrain medicine in my 20s, it just made a lot of sense. Oh, you change the environment, you change the expression of whatever is happening for that body because it now has a capacity to actually heal because it's no longer in the exposure. Right. And the best analogy I can come up is, you know, I was born in 1974. Ideally, we were born in clear soup, but in 1974 it was creamy soup. And now since I'd say 2020, we're living in creamy minestrone soup. Ideally, that should be clear soup. And that we just have so much crap that we don't even know what we're up against. And it's thicker than it could and should be because of a lot of lifestyle stuff and plastics. While I can appreciate that it's in so much, that's just one thing, right? Dr. Whitfield is one category. It's not the metals. It's not the WI fi. It's not all the stress, emotional stress that also this lymphatic system has to filter through the physical, the mental, the spiritual. All the aspects of life are actually filtered through this big sewage system. Can I show them a couple pictures of the pretty lymphatic system that I'm in love with so much?

Yeah. Kelly's going to bring up a picture and we'll share that. So, sorry. But we'll describe it for you on YouTube. You'll be able to watch it.

Yes. So this is a rendition of how complex a system is. As Dr. Whitfield said, the lymph vessels are less than. They're so tiny. They're smaller than a blood vessel or an artery. And the lymph nodes are only anywhere from 1 to 25 millimeters. They're tiny, tiny, tiny things, but they're all over the body. We have between 600 and 1,000 of these lymph vessels. Here's some. Up in the head and the neck, we have different tissues. People refer to the brain as the glymphatic system. And draining the glymphatics out of the brain, we have the mucosa aligned associated lymphatic tissue, which is your sinuses, the lungs and the gut. The gut associated lymphatic tissue is called the gult. And we have about 50% of our lymphatic tissue and lymph nodes are in the gut. So again, down at the inguinal area where our hips are, where a lot of the ovaries, the uterus and the prostate, which I'm waiting for science to prove me right, but I'm pretty convinced that's also lymphatic tissue. If you do a cross section of tonsils and ovaries and prostate, they all look very follicular and very similar. Surgical surgeon Dr. Whitfield could probably answer that better than I, of course, but just from my experience, then we have lymph fluid, which is more of the superficial fluid that creates edema. What I really am looking at is more of the lymph nodes more than I am just the edema. But what's happening down at the level of the lymph nodes where the body, deep in the axillaries, deep in the neck, deep in the gut, deep in the joint area where these lymph nodes are identifying pathogens and toxicants and being able to remove that waste out of the body. With what we're up against today, it's. It's a huge system, a huge job for the system, the sewage system. And you can see that it goes. This is showing you the watersheds and how it flows throughout the body. Just like any body of water or a body of water, and it flows in certain directions. And again, if it gets stagnant or if there's a detour or a bunch of sticks in the way, a beaver dam, then we're going to have issues in the tissues. And in order to alleviate it, we can take control over that with some self care that I teach a lot of self care or healthcare. This is showing some of the lymphatic tissue in the legs and any scars or, or even some of the deeper adhesions, like if you get hit by a baseball in your leg and it creates, it's an adhesion or something that can damage a lot of that tissue and create blockades. So being able to unwind all that is important. But just to give you a sense of this intricate system, I'm just, I'm so in love with the lymphatic system because it's such an easy to allow somebody access to. You get a big bang for your buck like you, if you know what you're doing and you can actually mobilize that tissue and really move, move the needle because you're applying a certain technique. It's phenomenal the shifts you can get because you're so far upstream. Then you get proper function in hormone regulation and so and organ function. Because as you said, it's not just gonna affect one thing with a lymph. It affects everything because it's what's signaling the cells, it's the spaces between the cells. So it, it determines what's getting to the cells to allow the cells to receive that information and then function. Whether that's hormone disruption because of what's in it being the, the plastics or it's metals that are disrupting it and creating an electrical system disruption or a mood disruption.

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Last night for nachos for the Super Bowl. I mean, castor, cast iron and glass and ceramic are forgotten loves, right?

So cast iron, stainless, ceramic, glass, like all those things, like don't heat your stuff up in plastic. Basic types of things. Don't drink out of plastic. No, Kelly said ceramic and I have a ceramic cup right next to me and I'm just not even thinking about ceramic. So these are all like, like things from, you know, plastics got introduced in the 50s. We didn't even have plastic before the 50s. And now it's virtually, it's can't walk that back. That's done. So what you can do is from a behavior standpoint, you gotta make good decisions for yourself and your family and try to conceptually understand what we're talking about where like you're a system of. You know, I always joke, I don't know if Kelly's heard me say this. You can't pick your parents and you can't outrun a bad diet. So you have a certain set of genes and those are the genes you're given and those allow you to detoxify. And then I always say diet because just our western diet is so, it's difficult to navigate. So I don't care what diet you follow, it's just you can't eat ultra processed things. That's just not going to work. You don't want to eat things out of packages. Not just because we talked about plastics and things. But that's not real food. You know, if you're a vegetarian, eat vegetables that are, you know, vegetables don't have labels.

That's what I say all the time. I don't understand. I mean, I grew up in upstate New York in cow country, like where there was tons of farms. And we grew up very simple. And when people started asking me about food, I was very frustrated. My daddy didn't eat any vegetables and he died at 55 having cancer seven times. So let's just call that diet. Not a great one. But I was very frustrated that I, when I started learning all about this medicine of natural medicine and how to eat, I was like, one person would say this, the other person would say this, eat this, don't eat this, eat this. I know a lot of people have had that. And for me it's like, eat a variety, be a flexitarian. And if it does have a label, put it down. If it doesn't have a label and it has a mom or a dad, you probably should, and it's not a human being, you can probably eat it in good, high quality and good variety and be flexible. And again, be conscious of what you're eating, right? Like, don't eat bread out of a package unless it was made by your local baker. And it was for me, sourdough is my ultimate dream food. So, you know, be conscious of that and support your local farmer and your local baker so that your high quality foods don't sit on shelves and have shelf preservatives. Because if you're eating something with preservatives, you become preserved. And that's not good. That doesn't actually give you a longer shelf life. It gives you a lot of toxicity in your body and that then you have to filter out through that lymphatic system. And if you don't, then it becomes disease, it becomes illness, it becomes cancerous states, it becomes an area of the body that needs to be surgically removed. And then you've got all sorts of other issues that you got to deal with.

It is, yeah, and, and you know, for everybody listening, it's not meant to like, scare everybody or anything. Some, you know, basic habit changes and then it's not meant to overwhelm somebody. But every day you can make some little bitty, you know, changes. You know, they don't have to, like, you do everything at one time. It's not real practical. So if, if you could take home something, you know, from this, I would Just say, obviously, learn how to. One got to understand there's a lymphatic system. Just like you have arteries and veins, you have lymphatics. And much of the lymphatic tissue is really around our GI tract. So if you eat a bad meal and all of a sudden your bloated swelling, there's a combination of things happening, and that should be a big sign that what you just ate is not compatible with your system. So you should look to figure out why that's happening. And, you know, if for me, gluten's a big trigger. I don't have celiac disease, but I have non celiac gluten sensitivity, which is a pretty common problem for a number of reasons that we don't need to go. Go into right now in this, you know, state of time that I just avoid, obviously, gluten. And I don't. I don't have that problem. Didn't know that for a long time. So I would. I would. If you see or you have that and you have children, then typically you've given that to them. So I've passed this on to my kids. Once again, can't pick your parents, can't outrun a bad diet. So that's. Those are just like standard things you have to accept and then don't throw a fit. Just like there are workarounds for these things. They're just habits.

So that's what got me started in all this. I don't know if you know my story or not, but my father had Hodgkin's disease. And I grew up since I was 7 when I finally was told, thinking that my father was going to die in three months. He didn't die till I was 20, but I watched that man have cancer five or six times, blood clots in the lungs, kidney disease, all sorts of issues. And chemo and radiation is how they handled it. They never changed his diet. They never did anything of the kind. I became very athletic, very focused on my body, very focused on how healthy could I be so that I didn't get sick. And then I was struck in a car accident and told to live in pain for the rest of my life. I lost a couple inches in height from compression, some vertebrae. I got scalped. I lacerated my spleen, and I was told basically I was going to be ill. So I now. I mean, pain. So now I'm up against this thing of like, oh, my God, I'm going to probably be chronically ill. And now I'm going to live in Chronic pain. Talk about picking your parents and cannot run your diet, cannot run your pain. And it took me three years, but I searched high and low until I found an answer. Some experiential change in my body besides pharmaceutical drugs and so forth that were kind of masking the pain but weren't actually solving any issues. And when I found this medicine 27 years ago, trained medicine, energy medicine, vibrational medicine, it literally unfolded not only the pain, but all the chronic illness and all the issues of my genetics and what they had placed for me to allow me to take control and freedom over my life. And that's what I'm here for. I'm here to teach other people how to do the same thing. And by teaching them how to actually pump their own lymph nodes, which I do for free on my YouTube channel on my website and can easily share that PDF with folks so that they know how to apply their two hands and apply to pump their own lymph. Or they get a simple tool, you know, like the flow vibe or they come to a center and do flo prezo. They find some of the practitioners that are well trained. It's few and far between, honestly, but it is such an easy shift for us to look at lymph as the first line whenever whatever symptom, whether it's digestive, I have a headache, I have a mood issue, I have a cough, whatever it is, we just pump our lymph and we allow the system to circulate and identify the pathogen and get it out. It's as simple as that.

Yeah, I think the. I'm glad you brought up energy medicine because there are not enough articles about biophysics and physics in general as it relates to energy and energy based therapy therapies. And that's a growing field. There's not enough scientific evidence to, you know, go and discuss a bunch of it right now, but it is like that is coming and getting stronger. So we fully support all the research, you know, that's being done by Dr. Himal Patel and others in that, that space because that's definitely where there can be a lot of growth. And I'm going to have Kelly tell everybody where you can learn more about what she does both for, for her clinic and on YouTube. And if you want to get in contact or she's going to give you an opportunity to do that as well.

Shout out to Energy medicine because my YouTube channel is Kelly. It's the True Wellness Pa. True Wellness Pa. I'll give you the link for that. But everything I teach is called Energy Flow and the Instagram channel is True Wellness Global and the website is the True on the Center. But the Energy Flow form, which is my membership virtual program, is really teaching people about energy and how fascia flow, lymph, L O, oxygen and water are the science behind this wonderful thing called energy that I've been working at for 27 years. And I know Dr. Hamel Patel very well and he's a good friend and colleague and he and I have played with some technology that I have, which is what I would say the future of all medicine. So I look forward to playing with that with you next time I see. But yes, that's how they can find me. The True Wellness center and True on this Global and Kelly Kennedy kfk Type all that in. You'll find me.

Awesome. Thanks for hopping on. I appreciate having you. I look forward to seeing you again soon.

Yes, thank you.

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