Episode 123: Danica Patrick’s Hidden Health Battle That Changed Everything

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Welcome to the show today. Today I have Danica Patrick, who redefined motorsports as the first woman to win a major open wheel race and claim a NASCAR Cup Series pole position, shattering records at Both the Indianapolis 500 and Daytona 500. This time 100 honoree and 14 time Super Bow advertiser has since channeled her trailblazing spirit into entrepreneurship, founding Napa's Somnium Vineyards, launching the Voyant home brand and hosting the pretty intense podcast. From Go Kart Champion to SB Award Host, her journey from track dominance to business innovation continues to inspire beyond the racing world. Welcome to the show, Danica. So I don't want to miss the conversation I've been having with Danica about her moving to England and so I didn't want to like not have the ability to share this with her because we were just talking about my daughter and potentially moving to England. So Danica, thanks for coming on the show. I know it's been a challenge to get a schedules aligned but really I appreciate you coming on today.

Of course, course. Happy to. And you're just so educated in an area that I'm very passionate about.

Oh thank you for everybody listening. Danica moved when she was very young, at the age of 16 from Illinois to England to pursue karting and or get into open wheel racing as the rest of the world views it. So I wanted her to share how big of a change that was because it was a big change for me to move to England and work in the medical system. So I want her to discuss like just environmentally like how that shaped you.

Well, it made me grow up really fast for sure when I came back. I think every time I came back my parents would say I was different and ultimately because it kind of made me a little bit cold. Because when you're young and 16 and you kind of Just trust everyone and, you know, then you realize that the world is not quite as friendly as you had once. Well, when you're a kid. And so it helped me grow up. I learned a lot more about life than I did about cars, that's for sure. But it also, in the end, was a really critical element in showing my commitment for following the path and getting as far as I could in racing. So that's ultimately what also helped me get a job back in the United States when I came home. So I was there for three years, 16 to 19 years old. And when I came back, I had kind of made friends with Bobby Rahal, who owned an IndyCar team. So then I was kind of pounding the pavement at racetracks, trying to see if someone would give me a ride and give me a test or anything like that. And he was one of them. And so he gave me that chance. So. But it was a lot because I went to England and I took that chance and I moved and I left high school. So I left halfway. Halfway through my junior year and then got my ged.

For everybody listening, I think this is a very different path for an American versus somebody who's not American. I'll just put it that way. Because in Europe specifically, if you're going to be. Be successful in open wheel, which ultimately is F1 in that part of the world and or football, which we call soccer, you're going to do that from as. As small as you can until you either make it or don't make it. And it's pressure cooker. And I'm sure you experienced all the pressure that goes along with that.

Yeah, I mean, well, when I was there, I thought if I don't make it to F1, I failed because that was the pinnacle of open wheel racing. And then I realized that what it took for me to do well ended up being that I had to have fun and I had to be happy. And so I learned that when I did really well at this race called the Formula Ford Festival, and there's like over a hundred entries. This was in Formula Ford. So, like, open wheel cars, but no wing, so they had, like, not as much downforce. And I finished second in the race out of like, you know, whatever, over 100 entries. And so. And what I learned is that I, like, my mom was there and it was really fun and like, I don't know, it just. There was a lot of good energy and like, I was waving to the Marshalls every day coming in and out of the track, and it was just like Good vibes, good energy and I had family there. And so I guess that that was kind of what also gave me that clarity of like, okay, I can come, I can go home. And I didn't fail. It's really about figuring out what formula you need to succeed. And succeeding looks can look very different and there's many ways to succeed.

So you took that, came back and that helps elevate you here obviously because you'd already done and had all those experience there, so probably very little phased you coming back.

Yeah, I was definitely cold and tough and it's already kind of in me. Like if anyone's ever met me or know me and, or even from a distance, like I'm sure you can sense that toughness in me, but it did a little extra and I think that's what conditioned me for the, the spotlight and the judgment that would come with being in that position and being someone so different. So yeah, learned a lot about life, not a lot about cars, made me tough, got me ready for all the media and the arena.

All right. I think for everybody. Listen, it takes a great deal of focus to do certainly what you did, become professional at that at any level. I think most people don't really appreciate how incredibly difficult that is to get a ride and keep a ride as long as you did and do as well as you did over those number of years. That's an incredible accomplishment despite gender. But with being female, that's.

What did you think of England? What did you think of England?

So I worked in the medical environment and England, like a lot of things, did the first thing, liver transplant. So I went to the, to Cambridge and I worked at Adam Brooks Hospital. And they're very proud of that fact, as you would expect. And you are probably familiar with how dry the British sense of humor is in general and how kind of quick witted they can be. And you can be thought of as the dumb, shitty American very easily. And that was fine. I was already very adept at operating at a very, very early age in my training. So skill sets always changed a paradigm. So it didn't take very long for me to establish that I could operate better than most of the people. Had been there five years and I had been in training for two. That was. Our system is more about repetition here in a very condensed timeframe where theirs is over a long period, the reps, but it'll be like maybe twice as long, maybe 10 years versus five. So I got given a lot of responsibility right away and it was like I'm in another Country. I should be just enjoying myself here. But I worked a fair amount, and then I had told Danica. I spent most of my weekends in London with friends, spending time there, so got acclimated there. It felt very comfortable living there. London's a great city. Tons to do. And obviously the language wasn't a barrier. I wasn't going up north where I couldn't understand anybody. I did go there a couple times and it was a little confusing what they were saying.

The accents were strong.

Oh, boy. Yeah. And now our son lives in Barcelona and we visited him and he's fluent in Spanish, so I just have him around me. He can solve them.

Oh, wow.

I don't speak Spanish well.

The sunshine is much more plentiful in Barcelona than it is in England. I always struggled with the sunshine there. I struggled with the lack of breakfast options and I struggled with the lack of sunshine. As you can see, I'm like a morning person. I wake up and I like. I look at my phone and if it says five something, I'm like, great, I can get up. And if it says four something, I'm mad because I have to go back to sleep, because I really should. But, yeah, definitely, there's lackluster food options. And it was always so sad for me to, like, be inside and think I'll go for a run and open up the door because it looks nice out. And then all of a sudden, it just starts raining while it's sunny. I'm like, God, this place sucks.

Well, I won't tell you. We showed up and Barcelona was terrible weather. Oh, was it cold and rainy the whole time? Flew to London. I was like, oh, it's going to be worse. And we got there and it was absolutely the best week of weather they've had all year. Super. Just random. And so we got to walk along St. James park and everything. It was just perfect. My wife in daughter think, you know, London has great weather, which it doesn't.

They have been deceived. I hope your daughter knows that.

Quite the opposite. It's a cold, rainy place. So as you came back home and started living and working back home and then advanced throughout your career, you know, the invariable question is, like, a lot of patients that I've interviewed of mine and others we've interviewed, like, what led to a decision where you wanted to make a change physically, had had something bothered you throughout your early years, maybe, or what was a specific kind of trigger for you to get implants?

Yeah, I mean, I think. Well, I've just never had much up top for me. So it kind of had always, like been something that I thought would be nice to have. And time went on. Time went on and then I just got like really fit and really lean and I felt like, man, it's just lacking that. And so I thought and maybe like, achieve some level of as much perfection as I can while I'm young and while I still look good. Because what if I wait until I'm done racing or later on and then the body doesn't look the same and I'm just like, oh, I wanted it all like, right then. And you know, I had met with a doctor who assured me that it was going to be safe to like drive with them. And that was definitely a concern. And yeah, so I did it and also be more sexy and feminine, you know, have curves. But of course definitely didn't. Like, the thing is about being feeling sexy and having curves is that, you know, they're fake every single second. Like, it's not like I ever was like, oh, I forgot about it. You can't forget about it. I feel like. And then it just ended up not. Perfection is an illusion, you know, there's no such thing. And so, yeah, and I trusted the system. I think that's also it. You know, I trusted that it was safe. And I mean, I of course remember there was silicone and saline implants and then they got rid of silicone because it wasn't safe and that it had come back. And I was like, thought, of course, like, oh, they got rid of silicone because of some kind of. There must have been some money problem. And I don't know, they've probably always been safe. They would never put that in someone's body if it wasn't safe. And then to obviously have the complications that I did that really were noticeable after probably three years. I mean, I can track back and look at like the slide that started as soon as I got them with certain characteristics and situation, like biological systems in my body. But I took three years to really, really kind of notice anything and then another three years before it was just too much to handle.

You're racing the whole time.

Yeah.

Your level of fitness was high and you should have been able to, because I have to. Not to make light of this, but I imagine you don't methylate well and that's always part of the problem. So if people sweat a lot, you don't methylate well, they usually detox a little bit better and you would sweat a ton racing each time. So that probably helped you put off some.

Would the heat have ever been a problem being inside of those stock cars at 140 degrees or. I mean, I don't know. The body runs pretty hot anyway.

But I always get in trouble for saying this, but there's no test. And I had Lauren Bostic, my client, you know.

Yeah.

Implants. And she came in is like, rob, I think I've melted my implants. And because she had this 212 degree barrel sauna at her house and she would get into it for her husband, said she'd spend like hour, hour and a half in at a time.

Oh my God.

And I said, well, goodness gracious, that's. That's a lot. There's no study that's going to say that's okay. And then I did her talks test. And for everybody who listens to my show knows we do a lot of toxicity burn testing. And she had all these heavy metals. And I've seen anybody have heavy metals like that on a tox report of mine. And I've got thousands of patients.

Wow. Mine was high too.

It's not melting an implant, but it's causing chemical leaching, so.

Right, exactly.

It leeches out like if you drink water out of a plastic water bottle. It's been over.

Yep, exactly.

So I took all sorts of grief over that shit and it just got on my last nerve. So now when people say stuff, I just like refer them back to her because it's her body, it's what happened to her.

Well, I mean, you can add me to that list. I have no idea which ones were high for her, but I had about five that were high. One in particular was Mercury. Mercury was 170 and it should be under 5.

So it was pretty fillings or anything like that?

No, no fillings. I had, I think. What other. What? Thallium. But that I thought was. Told you we could blame Kale for that one because kale picks up thallium from the soil.

Okay.

There's like a sudden surgence in the last like five, ten years of, of high thallium levels. Yeah, I had like five of them that were pretty high, but mercury was way, way high.

Yeah, she had a whole page like mercury, lead, thylane, cadmium, nickel, all this. You're just like. That doesn't make any sense. Especially between. You all are very health conscious. You're not like things that, you know.

The only thing, the only thing that I ended up hearing after was that this was also during that wave of, oh, less animal meat, more vegan products. And so plant proteins, because again it's from soil, also are loaded with heavy metals compared to a whey protein or something like that. And then also just the substitutes, like you know, whether you eat tofu or.

When you were trying to eat a more vegetarian diet back then.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. I don't have a, a dog in the fight per se, but I find vegans have the hardest time with surgery and recovery just because they don't get enough protein and they have all this kind of. Whether or not they appreciate there's a lot of processing and most of the stuff. Unless you're like, I guess a raw vegan or something, I don't know. I mainly just eat anim protein and fruit I guess. Pretty boring.

Yeah, I eat like eggs, steak, potatoes, rice, chicken. I'm like pretty much made some sourdough bread, avocado. I'm pretty lame now. I love cooking, but I'm so boring because I just eat the same thing every day.

Well, as long as you feel good, that's all.

That's right.

So when you became more symptomatic, I always tried to, like I told you before, like I have a group of people who like know what's going on. So they become problem aware and then they have to find us because we have the solution to that problem. Like how long in that three year window or what triggered you to become problem aware?

It was the beginning of 2021. I had lost my cycle basically. I mean, I was on birth control forever while I raced for safety, obvious reasons. And then I got off and everything seemed regular for about six months. And then it just sort of kept getting later and later and then it just like was gone. And anyway, that was like February of 2021. So I thought, well, that's not right and that's not good. I better go to the doctor and like just do some lab work and see what's going on. And the first thing that came back was like, oh, your thyroid's low. And I thought, oh man, that's it. That explains it. That's why I can't lose weight. That's why my hair is not as healthy, that's why my energy's a little lower. This will be like literally a magic pill. And it was totally not. I mean it was like it didn't matter what dosage, didn't matter what kind, didn't matter if it was synthetic or it was desiccated, it was not working. And it was really just the tip of the iceberg. And so I went through and did so many different things after that. I mean first it started with that, then it was like GUT protocols and then it was NAD treatments, peptides, coffee enemas, heavy metal, detoxing, fasting.

And this was all while you're in Scottsdale?

Yeah, Yep. So this kind of went from then 2021 all through 2021 and into 2022 and then I finally got them out April of 2022. So just after my 40th birthday, that's how I remember when it was. But yeah, and I was doing lymphatic drainage, lymphatic work. Actually what I ended up finding was probably the best was eboo. I liked EBOO the most. As far as all the treatments I've done, I think that one's been the most powerful. And then lymphatic work. I don't know, like what's been your experience with women and lymphatic work? Because it still feels good for me to do. Like here I am in 2025 and I still do it. I still gua sha. I still like rub my the major points in the body and it just still feels like it really helps.

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So yeah, yeah. Big bodysuit, feels good.

That is always beneficial. I think it's really underappreciated your, your body's system to whether it's detoxification or handling fluids, once you're able to. To detoxify and eliminate is enhanced by lymphatic drainage. So the more efficient your lymphatic drainage, you know, we don't use drains in anybody anymore. So I leverage those tools to avoid that, along with having appropriate amount of protein in your diet and getting enough rest and, you know, all the things to try to make it as efficient in terms of recovery as possible. Because, you know, when I look back and see patients of mine who maybe took a little bit longer than I expected, and I try to think about why, and you or someone else, why? Why are there differences? And then I'm doing a different operation. The operation I'm doing is a complete capsulectomy, and with or without a lift or with or without a fat transfer. So the operations are staying relatively the same. The variables, obviously the patient, their genetics, their gut health, their hormone balance and toxicity burden. So those things, you know, to your point, it's very difficult to deal with the thyroid in somebody who's got a gut problem or a lot of inflammation. So it doesn't really matter. The dosages of synthetic or desiccated, like. Like to your point, those are like big tells. When someone comes to me and says, you know, I've been on this, I just ask them, like, do you feel better on that? And they're like, no, I can't really tell.

Yeah.

Or they'll say, oh, I started hormone replacement, but I couldn't really tell the difference. Or I didn't like it. And I was like, okay, let me see. So you're saying that a drug that everybody would risk their Olympic medals for, their world records, for their legacies, for their salaries for, doesn't work. You get people to tell you that all the time. And I'm like, oh, the drug works. It either get to its target tissue, or you didn't have the right dose to get the effect. But the drug does work. So the thing with the synthetics, it's certainly as it relates to thyroid. As soon as I explant someone, if they're on synthetic thyroid medication, you have to be extremely careful they don't become hyperthyroid right away. Because really, yeah, once you drop someone's inflammation, the thyroid will work. And we've had people get hospitalized for thyroid storm. And so early on, in my experience, we didn't know exactly what. What effect it would have, what time, the timing of it it would have. But Lauren Bostic, our client, she was just taking A natural thyroid supplement and she got elevated thyroid function right away after surgery.

That's fantastic though, because what they want to tell you is that once you need thyroid medicine, you're going to have it for life.

I think in the kind of context that we're describing, like when you have such high inflammation that I see in patients, I have a pretty niche practice now. And once you do all the work that you did or many people now are coming to me with full blown one to two year workups in a functional type situation, still haven't really solved the equation. And now they want me to do their surgery. Those people have to be aware of. If you're on a synthetic or a natural product, you just have to be aware of those symptoms because it's dangerous. You don't want to goof around with that.

Yeah, anytime. Take supplements it's good to take. Do lab work every day. Three months out of cautiousness and six months for tailoring.

Yeah, I try to be on everybody about that all the time because we work with people for almost a year, so we're not just like operating.

Well, that's the thing is it does take a while. Like I mean, as soon as I had them out in, you know, early ish, 2022, I mean it probably wasn't until, I mean it probably took like a year and a half at least to really like, really like feel like myself again. And that was still through effort. However, the caveat is, is that like you're trying to de. Stress the body, right? Like inflammation's a stress. Like all the, whatever you did to try and correct things, thinking about how it's poorly it's going or working out or dieting or any like all sauna, cold, plunge, you name it, These are all stresses. And so it's that meeting that perfect happy medium of like, yes, taking care of the body and giving it a nudge of what it needs, but not over stressing the body. So I think that's also something that I'm much, much better about now, is that when it all started slipping like I thought, go back to the old lever that you pull, which is just do more, eat less, look better. Like that's the formula, it's not rocket science. And then there's a certain point in time where the body just can't handle that formula anymore. That lever is broken. And so there are times now where, you know, I just don't work out for a whole week. I mean, I really only work out like two or three times a week now. And all I do is lift where back in the day I used to do two a days and it would be like crossfit and interval running in a day and restricted eating and or less protein, which was just suicide for the body. I'm. I feel bad for the animals. Trust me. I love, love, love, love animals. But it's them or me. And that's the way I see it now. It's like them or me. And there's definitely a way to be more humane about it. And I think there are practices that could be implemented in the world that would be better, but that's how I see it. And so not adding too much stress. I don't know if that's something that your other patients have seen, but the less I do, the more I get. Like, give the body the environment that it needs to heal and it does know what to do. It's like if you like pump the lymphatic, it's like, okay, now we know it. We're moving things, we're moving things. And so, yeah, I feel like I matured a lot over the process and while I wasn't a fun 10 years to kind of go through it all and figure it out and heal from it, but it gave me the ability to tell my story and it also gave me great lessons in life to, you know, like one simple one is again, because I thought you just put in more effort and you get something as a result. So you see somebody walking around that doesn't look like they maybe are putting in the effort now, I think to myself, maybe they just don't have the means and the awareness. And maybe they're dealing with something that I was dealing with where you're like, I'm trying harder than you could even imagine. And so it's like giving me more sensitivity for people to respect where they're at and just know that the body is a beautiful, magnificent, complex thing.

I agree. And I feel like that kind of sentiment about working harder and being more restrictive kind of goes back to our youth when we could kind of get away with everything younger. And then when we try to implement that as we're older, I'm 55 now, none of that, that's not happening. So, like, I am certainly, and I guide our patients like, you have to be more intentional about what you're doing, you know, from a body standpoint. And for my listeners, predominantly female listeners, like, I want you to avoid frailty, so you have to avoid osteoporosis, osteopenia, you have to lift weights, you have to do things that preserve your muscle mass and help your bones. Because that is the thing, you know, for mortality, we want, you know, to avoid. So I'm glad. Obviously, I knew you lifted weight from our other. Other conversations, but I think that's what I want. This whole thing about intervals and hit and spin and cycling for ages. And I was like, all that stuff makes no sense to me. When I understand what is important.

It's a grind. It's a grind on the body. And one of the things that I did while all this was going on before my implants came out was I also ran the Boston Marathon. So I trained for that. I trained at altitude, I trained in heat. Like, it was the worst in what we're talking about. I'm been curious, and since you're so much more of an expert in the body and biology and cancer and detoxing and longevity and everything, I wonder if we talk about. We're saying how, like, when you're younger, you can get away with things. Is it that we wear out the system because we can get away with it for a while because the body is so fantastic, like, it really deals with so much, or do we wear it out with the things that we do? And if we didn't do that, we would be able to maintain this sort of, like, ability to modulate the body with efforts much more linear, like, throughout life, or does the body just truly deteriorate? And if you're 20, 30, 40, 50, like, you really have what you've done in the past, you're going to have to adjust for the age, or do you think we just wear it out? Because there's. I've really been confused about what. What the reality is.

It would have been great to have the ability to look at that with the lens. I do now. Back when you were younger, or back when I was younger and I could work, and this is not a joke, because I worked at a time. I trained at a time when there were no restrictions on working hours. So I routinely worked 80 to 100 hours a week because I was on call two or three nights out of seven. And I worked through the night, operated through the day. We had this rule post call, after you'd been up all night, you had to go home by 6pm the following day. That was a rule with our group that I trained with. And that's not good for anybody. That's just how the training was. And the day that I finished surgical training and went to plastic surgery training, they changed the work hours restriction. It couldn't be above 80 and they thought that was a big deal. And I think it's much less restrictive now. The problem with that in our format in the United States was they didn't lengthen the training period. So someone trained after me could not have been trained better than me because they wouldn't have the repetitions I had. So the surgery is a different discipline. It's not like necessarily it's a repetition thing. Right. How many races did you run to make you better? Right. How many reps did you have on that? That major. Much better at that. You know, I waited that versus like you had the ability to tolerate so much more. And it's probably to do with your metabolism, hormones. And then when we're younger we can ingest and breathe and drink things that aren't of the highest quality and tolerate them. But seemingly as we get older we can't do that as well. So now I'm the quality of air person, quality of fluid person, quality of coffee person, quality of food. Personally, you know, being out of the country was little challenging. I would say I always prefer being, oh, this is going to get me in trouble with some of the people, different parts of Spain because of how good the food is on the coast. So that's always like a highlight. And then in London we were just having different things. London's become very foodie versus what I remember. Yeah, of course I have a little bit more resources now than I did.

Same, same. I get it. Like maybe I just didn't know about it because I wasn't really in that, that realm of like financial opportunity or age that would be going to sophisticated restaurants. But it definitely seems more foodie than it used to when I live there too.

Yeah. So I, I feel like, you know, if we could go back and look at ourselves back then with the lenses that I have now, I can answer that question for you. So if you just inherently had a really, really good set of balanced out hormones, plus really good release and recovery, which you probably did, obviously that makes the difference. But people who don't methylate well can still run the marathon. There's a bunch of people who do and are triathletes who don't methylate well, they have to sweat really efficiently. So if you're a patient had breast implant illness and stopped sweating, you would limit how you detoxify because you have to eliminate waste. And sweating is one of the main ways we eliminate waste.

I also tried that hoecat, that's another one. I was just thinking the hoecat isn't it called a hocat that where basically your head sticks out, but you sit in the. It's like a sauna. Steam sauna. It's a steam room basically for the rest of your body. And it has microcurrent. So there's like a 50 or 100 different settings that you can tune to that'll like, you hold on to the wands and your feet go on the grounds and it'll like push the electrical frequency through you, which is kind of cool.

Office.

You got one in the office?

I almost did, but I was like, well, everybody would have to get changed and get all sweaty and then it wouldn't work for our office setting. So we have not done that. And I think to your point, I have many, many clients who have a good amount of resources. And one in particular I know I'm thinking of right now, who told me the only way she is surviving, she's yet to explain because of her commitments. And she's using EBOO all the time.

I really like eboo for those who don't know. It's like basically you pull one. One arm you use to pull the blood out, it filters and it goes through O and then returns into another port and it cleans about half your blood. You do it for about an hour. And when I first started doing eboo, I going back in the other arm. Once the blood turns black, it is too much oxidative stress. And so I could only do it the first two times I did Ibu. I could only do about 20 minutes of ozone before it was black going back in the other arm. So then by the third one it was better. And the fourth one, there wasn't even anything coming out of the bloodline because you, you can see like little pieces coming out of the pole line, little chunks and various different little textures and things in the blood. And finally by the fourth one, it was better, but. And then I went and did another eboo. I think I've done maybe five or six now total, but it's more of like maybe like a yearly maintenance or something.

Yeah, I mean, she swears she's like the only way I can continue my career the way I'm doing it right now, with the demands I have with the travel and appearances and all the things. Things is to do this whenever she's back home. And she has kind of her routine. Yeah, because all high functioning people who have access will create a routine to avoid coming to see me in Austin. Because that's the last thing that anybody really wants to do so. The E. Boo.

Funny. No one really wants to sign up for surgery.

No, no.

And some women just get very attached to their implant. I wasn't. I really wish I never got them. I totally love going, going braless like all the time. I am president of the Itty Bitty Titty committee and happy about it.

Well, I was gonna say like, I, I'm sure because you were low BMI or kind of very fit at the time, they probably didn't even mention doing the fat transfer for you because you weren't a person who could have.

Yeah. Well, for those though, who need hope, speaking of bmi, I mean I'm, I'm the best, like the lowest BMI I've ever been in my life and the best body composition. So at 40, I just turned 43. So for those who have lost their energy or lost their body or even lost their hair, which was another problem I had. Like, it'll come back if you give it the right environment. You really just have to like love and respect your body and understand and just get in tune with it. That's another thing that I just never was. I was never in tune with it. Now I'm like, I feel when I'm tired and I relax and then there's surely inevitably like sort of that seven to ten days before cycle. Like all of a sudden I'll get hungry or want more carbohydrates, which is appropriate because you, you need that carbohydrates so that your blood hor. Is it that you need to come up. Progesterone. You need the progesterone to come up. So I mean once you kind of get in tune with the body and it's a, it's a really cool place to be. And the thing is when you're not healthy is that you don't know what's going on because it's all a mess.

And you said something really important to you. I've had several patients in one way or another mention to me that they had to really love themselves again for exactly who they are. And that helped them. I repeatedly tell them telling themselves that and having obviously a supportive system around them made a huge difference and getting some type of, you know, whether it's meditation or therapy or, or whatever the self care is that resonates with them. I don't, I don't know which one is, is going to be the right one for each, you know, person. I try to talk to people a lot about just doing some breathing exercises, not breath work to get breath work. And rapid breathing makes you hypoxic. I don't want that. After surgery, treats, that's not helpful.

You can literally, like, get high off of breathing if you're not careful. Right.

Because you get hypoxic. I'm like, no, that's not what I'm talking about. No. Breath work, resonant breathing, that's helpful. Things that relax you and make you feel calmer.

Well, yes, parasympathetics, ways to bring down the stress level. But I really believe in the energetics of it all. Like, if you can just love yourself, it's like, I've experienced this outside of myself with people as well as with myself. But when you can love something right where it's at or someone, then you release the energetic hold on what you're afraid of, which is the opposite of what you want. And so when you're pushing and striving for something, wanting something, stressing about something, you're telling the universe that the what you don't want is totally alive and it's there. And when you let go of that and you allow the universe and the energetics to settle in to a place of homeostasis and a balance. And I really believe that's true in all aspects, whether it's to do with people or yourself or anything, your job, anything. Like, just release that grip on something that you want to be in your life so badly or that you want so badly, and the universe usually does a much better job of delivering that to you.

That is the perfect ending point of this. Finding better balance in the universe with Danica. Patrick. I appreciate having you on. I think that's a phenomenal way to wrap up the show. Obviously. Now I've had somnium wine, so I'm gonna have everybody go and get. So if they like and want to have very, very good wine, it's excellent. I've had it. And I'm not a wine drinker. I'm more of a tequila person myself. But that's phenomenal. And then what other things you have? You have your clothing line, I have.

Wine, I have somnium and Danica Rose. Also make candles. So you can go. They're called voyant. They're delicious smelling candles. They're very energetically attuned as well. After a trip to Egypt, I learned a lot about, like, aromatherapy and the energetics of certain scents. You know, stuff that tracks all the way back to frankincense and myrrh from the Bible. And then I have a podcast pretty intense podcast which you've been on. And yeah, I do some race broadcasting and whatnot, but the wine and the podcast are really what keeps me busy.

That's right. We'll have to get you out here when you're in town for us. I know you're always busy when you're in Austin for the race, but we look forward to seeing you again soon. Thanks for coming up.

Thanks Rob.

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