45 - EP45 w/ Tim Biohacker: The Financial Incentives Behind 'Health', Ancestral Living as Biohacking + Calories vs Nutrition

Tim, Tim Gray, the UK biohacker. Um, welcome to the Soulcast. Thank you for being with me.

Thanks for having me. Thank you.

You're welcome. Well, I think, um, one of the great things about you is that we— as soon as I saw your profile. I came across it on Instagram, uh, the infamous bra post.

Hmm. Ah, yes.

So I know, I think I've mentioned it before, but this, you know, this idea that what, what's happening when women are wearing bras? Why shouldn't they wear bras?

That is a really good question. Like with everything we talk about in biohacking or whatnot is ancestral health, what we evolved with.

Yeah.

Um, and I think unfortunately the world is so industry-driven these days that everyone wants to, wants to, and is trying to make a buck. Everyone is, you know, whatever it may be. And you just have to have an, uh, an ML, MLM, um, a marketer reach out to you to try and sell you the newest supplement. And they're like hounds for you to know how desperate people are for money. So, you know, the world is geared up this way. And so I think, you know, when there was, for instance, someone that felt like they needed support for their breasts way back when, they created something and then someone said, oh, that's good, they look, good like that, or they support me when I'm exercising or whatever. And then it became more and more and more and more an industry and a big money-making thing until it becomes a sexual, um, you know, having sexy, sexy lingerie becomes a sexual thing. It's tied to sex. And, um, and then everyone takes this as a given. And I think it's the same with anything really, anything that we have today. And let's be honest, commercial world has helped the world evolve, uh, for us to have amazing conveniences, just like, you know, the laptops that we're speaking via right now. Two people that have never met personally that have been following each other on Instagram for a while to record a podcast for other people to listen to. I mean, it's amazing.

It really is incredible.

But there are other areas, darker areas, where it has just become so commonplace to have a lot of these things that we don't realize actually we're better off without them. Now, actually one of my most popular posts of all time, second most popular post of all time is the bra one, partly because it's partly controversial and quite widely accepted and questioning people's beliefs around it really does spark emotion 'cause how could I be doing something that's not amazing for me all this time, not know? It really, it's deep-rooted in psychology. Yes, similar to doctors when, you know, or dentists that have been recommending mercury fillings for however many years, and they've been there to help patients, and then they find out that mercury is toxic. So therefore they say, no, it's not, no, it's not, and continue doing it because it can't break, you know, the psychological impact. So yeah, so with the Bra post, um, I had so many more messages than even have been commented on the post, and there's, you know you know, I think it must be about 800 comments on the post. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I had so many people message me saying, "Yes, you're so right. I can't believe this. This study is great." And then a lot of people, you know, more openly were saying, "Oh no, this is rubbish. You know, you don't know what you're talking about. You're a man." Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, I actually had someone last week after all this time posting it, a very long time ago now, say, Tim, I've been testing this ever since your post, and I've got— and she had very large breasts, um, very large breasts, and told her size— and I've gone without ever since that day, and there has been an improvement, and I'm very, very happy without my bra. So thank you. There's your study. And then, yeah, I mean, there's loads of, loads of cases like that. Um, and then you get the, the people that just like to not believe because it's outside of their belief set and say, well, that study was never published, and, you know, we can't find for details and pushback. So, you know, it did well. It's very interesting area. I know many people in my circle, a lot of my females in my team actually don't wear bras already and, you know, are firm believers in it. No pun intended.

Well, yeah, I mean, it's the same principle with what I've kind of discovered now is underwear. Similar kind of thing is that most dudes now are wearing very, very tight underwear that's most likely some blend of plastic as well, which is constricting their balls to a point where it's not getting blood flow. And when you don't get blood flow, the machinery doesn't operate as well as it could. And we just kind of accepted it. And, you know, it's not that we've accepted it, it's just one of those things— oh, you wear underwear. It's not— you wouldn't really question it. And then, like so many of these things, like bras, you know, that are built into our culture, uh, as you said, they are kind of shutting us off from this natural way of living, which is just like— we've added so many things and it's just all taken us backwards, you know, intentionally. Yeah, maybe so, but yeah.

I mean, I, I like to steer away from the conspiracy, or should I say the bigger, the bigger agenda here, because someone said the other week, um, actually one of my friends, um, said about, um, one of the, one of the things going on at the moment, said they want you to have lower testosterone so that you're more feminine, so there's, right, like there's less, less difference between men and women and blah blah blah blah blah. I don't think there's someone that is actually planning this out to have men with less testosterone. I really don't. Um, you know, there's a lot There might be, you're right. I mean, particularly at the moment, potentially. But I mean, in general, I don't think that they're saying, well, let's push this so it does that. And it's not, you know, they see conspiracies or patterns everywhere and everything is automatically—

You can overdo it.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think sometimes, yes, there could be agendas, obviously, and other times there aren't. And I don't think that necessarily the underwear one, I think it's more of a commercial one, for instance.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Selling boxers.

If you're running, Bonzai. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you're running, your balls are swinging everywhere, it can be quite painful. Um, or, you know, you need to keep washing your trousers every day because you're not wearing underwear, so you have something to protect you between the two. Makes sense. Then all of a sudden someone like Calvin grabs a hold of them, puts their logos on it, it becomes fashionable, and, um, and then everyone else starts doing it and it starts getting bigger and bigger and bigger until it's the norm. Um, and you know, it's just again the commercial interest. And you just have to look at scientific studies to see what has been done or proven with studies and what hasn't, because there's a financial incentive for the pharmaceutical industries, for instance— industry, sorry— to, to document these things. And then when it comes to something like vitamin C IV there's not really much industry to, to prove it. Yeah, so it just shows you how commercial interest really does have a big part to play in this.

Well, that's commercial interests as well. They fund the studies that prove certain things. So I think there's a danger, and with the weaponized scientific study especially today, that they can prove that smoking is, uh, good for you back in the day, or heroin is, or morphine, or whatever, with a study. Sugar is the same. Yeah, look at this study paid for by the Sugar Association. They found the sugar's good for you. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Like, that I think is— you can't take a headline ever for granted. And even you can't take the abstract findings of a scientific study for granted either, because, you know, you really need to just understand some base level of scientific literacy and statistics so you can look at the studies and say, okay, were these, you know, was it a controlled environment? Were there confounding factors? Um, was there a big enough sample size to then look it and say, okay, there's probably something here.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean, you just have to go to Google or your favorite search engine right now and type in, um, for instance, vitamin D, vitamin C studies, or where— or even better, wearing underpants is good for you, and you will see, you will see what, what you're looking for. Or if you say, if you type underwear is bad for you, you will see what you're looking for. So what we set out to look for is what find. I mean, this is Manifesting 101, let's just be honest, you know.

Yeah.

Um, negation— don't think of a blue tree, you have to think of a blue tree to not think of a blue tree.

Yeah.

And so if you're, if you're searching for something to prove, and this is, you know, this, for instance, a supplement or drug comes out, they say, right, we need to prove that this is effective, they're going to prove this is effective.

Yeah, right.

Um, so I, I, you know, I think that this is, uh I think this is, um, the problem with it. Um, and I think the bra, the bra one being the financial incentive for it to become a massive industry, the same with the underwear and just about everything else that we wrap ourselves in these days.

Pretty much. Um, I want to circle back to the point that you mentioned at the start with the cognitive dissonance that some particular posts seem to just stir up in people. So it's a reaction to an opinion, a bit of information that breaks or disproves in a way, or goes against their belief they've held for decades. Right. And one of these things, there's the bra thing, there's the underwear thing. One of the main ones that I am seeing kind of dissolve now is sunscreen and exposure to the sun. So could you go into a little bit about, um, I guess we'll leave the sun for a little bit, but the psychology of what, what is making people, especially with social media, like why do they go out of their way to try and attack you for proving these, you know, you're putting biological information out there. Like don't— I find this with friends as well when you're having a conversation, like Can't you just have a discussion where looking at both sides, we're saying, hey, this doesn't add up, or maybe this doesn't make sense? You don't need to emotionally just cast off, you know, the argument entirely just because it upsets you.

Yeah, I mean, the more— and I'm sure the more your account or you grow, the more people you speak to, the more you become numb to it. To some extent. I mean, I've— I've— for quite a while I reacted. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it is becoming more and more funny. I actually feel sorry for people when they do, yeah, trigger and rant. Um, yeah, and I've actually got a policy now that when I share something, if someone starts having a go, and I'll entertain it as long as I can learn from it. So if someone— if I say, for instance, fluoride is dangerous, and they come back and start getting funny and, and I disprove them and then they get personal, then that's it, they're deleted, they're blocked, gone.

Yeah, yeah.

If, if, if they push, push me and say, well, actually, look at this, you know, because we feel that this isn't as bad as you let it on to be, I will entertain it and explore and see their logic and also look into the things that they say. At the moment, I can't learn from it anymore, that's it, at the moment I let it go. Um, But it took me a long time. It's taken nearly 3 years of social media, to it be engaging in a lot of these things a lot of the time, um, to become numb to it, um, and, um, and, and, and let it go and not react myself quite in the same way. Yeah, and occasionally you do, as you know, but I think I think what's important to people, they fight for. And if, for instance, someone's been drinking tap water— for instance, let's just use the fluoride one— if they've been drinking tap water for years and feeding it to their kids for years, and then I share something out saying drinking fluoride isn't good and you should be optimizing your health by having a healthy diet, and they've been feeding their kids pizzas and drinking tap water this whole time, they're going to fight to protect that. Yeah, they're going to fight to protect that because otherwise otherwise they've been wrong this whole time.

Yeah.

Um, so it's the same with people that, for instance, um, those things that hurt us, we push them away from us or get away from. If there's someone that's bad to you, you push them away. If, you know, for instance, I, I use myself as an example here. I didn't like being in restaurants where there was kids near me, and I would keep away from kids, even my goddaughter, because they just if for some reason I didn't like kids, let's just say that. But then when I explored it in my, in my meditation practice, I realized that in fact, you know, it's something that I really would like at some point. And because it's painful, I unconsciously push it away so that I'm not subjected to it, right? So it's the same, it's the same with these people that get triggered. It's because it's important to them. They just don't consciously, they don't consciously know it, um, so therefore they fight for their opinion. But I think the biggest ones that trigger are people on their identity level. And so if you, for instance, yesterday I shared out something about fluoride and then someone responded and got a bit funny. When I looked at their profile, they're a dentist. And they— I'm sure there's a lot of that. Yeah, it's like, you should listen to the experts. Well, actually I do. I hire the experts. They speak on my stage. I learn from them. I read their books. I hang out with them. I get to see case studies in clinic with them. And I hang out with the world's leading biological dentists or authors. And then they're like, no, no, these, that's not experts. Okay, so they're traditional dentists plus extra training on top, and yet this guy knows better. So, you know, that's one case. And the other one I find is generally vegans. Oh boy. And yeah, like when it's their identity, that you're attacking, or they see it as attacking when you're not. You're just presenting information a lot of the time, but quite brutally sometimes as well. Um, you know, for instance, there's something in psychology called the neurological levels, and it's, um, think of it like a triangle. And at the bottom is environment, and at the top is identity. Now, you can change your environment very easily, but your identity you can't. Um, you've got, um, environment, um, behaviors, beliefs, um, and identity. And then above that, actually, you have spirituality or religion. So for instance, if you say to someone, you are an idiot, that will often trigger them because it's an identity-level thing that they won't be able to change necessarily very easily. Whereas if you say, when you are in the pub drinking alcohol, you act like an idiot. That's behaviors and environment, two easy things to change. People don't get so triggered, you see. So when you say to a vegan, you know, actually plant— plants are okay, meats are important for health, and they're not killing the planet, uh, it's just the farming practices that is— that goes against everything to do with their identity. Yeah, and therefore they fight for it because we fight for what's important to us. So they're the ones that trigger the most actually, and they become very rude for people that are actually all about abundance and acceptance and caring for other creatures. They actually get very rude. One called me an effing C. Oh yeah, that's nice. What a beautiful human, you care for animals, not human.

No, no. Yeah, well, I think it's, um, it's, it's— that's a very interesting way to put it, is that the deeper it is as a core belief, the more people will attack that which threatens that. And I think some of the kind of the best way to improve your lot in life in all things is to release your attachment to the egoic identification and beliefs that you have. You might think, I am good at at jiu-jitsu, and then someone comes in and fucks you up, and then you fight against that, and you maybe say it was cheating, rather than dropping the ego and understanding, okay, maybe I wasn't as good as I thought. How can I separate from that identification so I can learn, so I can take into account all information that comes my way, so that I'm the most informed person to make the best decision, whether that's you know, diet or, um, other kind of biohacking things. Uh, it really— like, the, the smarter dentist, um, in that situation that you said recognizes that fluoride, okay, maybe we shouldn't be having it, launches his own fluoride-free toothpaste and starts selling it to his customers and advising that they filter their water. And, you know, that's, that's the kind of— he pivots in that way.

Well, yeah, I mean, that's exactly This is what Dr. Dominic Nitschwitz, one of my friends, he's biological dentist, actually has done this type of thing. But unfortunately, a lot of these guys are so poisoned and taught the logic in chemistry that it's safe, um, that they cannot see that it's poison. Like, for instance, let's just talk about mercury. For instance, mercury is the second most toxic substance non-man-made, known to humans. And yet they are convinced it's safe to have it in your mouth. Hmm. Um, yeah, um, and they say, yeah, but it doesn't leak. Come on, if you take it out, the moment it comes out of the mouth, they have to treat it as toxic waste and dispose of it properly, pay for it to be disposed. Okay, the moment it comes out of the mouth. Or in schools, if you drop a thermometer the school has to be evacuated because mercury is so bad. They're like, ah no, but it's safe in mouth, being taught it's safe in mouth. And here's chemistry reasons why it's safe. It's the same with fluoride, you know, the one from yesterday. They're like, oh no, in these concentrations it's actually safe in water. Like, yeah, but in these concentrations it might be, but when you're supposed to be drinking 8 glasses of water a day, plus you're eating food that's being cooked in it, Plus you're using toothpaste, which has a significant amount more in it. And if you swallow that, obviously they tell you that you're supposed to go to the hospital if you swallow toothpaste because you'll kill yourself. It's like, come on, guys. Like, as Einstein said, compound theory is one of the— was it one of the something— the fifth or eighth miracle of the world. You know, if you can understand that, you can conquer the world. Because compound theory, you just have to look at, you know, saving $1,000 a month at 10% interest every month for 10 years to see how, you know, it grows considerably. Compound theory is powerful. And you just have to get your credit card bill at the end of the month to look at all the $12 or the $20 here and there and how it adds up to $2,000 or $3,000. And you go, holy crap, how did I do that? I didn't realize because I was doing it in bite-sized chunks. It's exactly the same if you're drinking this tap water or you've got 5 metal fillings in your mouth, or any of these things, it's compound theory. Like, I had this big thing with, uh, let's call an influencer— that's about it. His name is Fitness Chef on Instagram, and he shares out— yeah, he shares out about pizzas and drinking Diet Coke instead of Fat Coke, and it's all about calorie counting, and says a calorie is a calorie. No. Um, yeah, I know, right? And, um, You know, it's like, well, drink Diet Coke because it's better and there's no studies saying it's dangerous, even though in rats, which aren't humans, it did show to be carcinogenic. But they're not human, so, you know, it's safe. Um, it's like, come on, use your common sense. It's just crazy. Um, and they fight to the death because they're so convinced, or they just care about making money from their Instagram, who knows.

Yes, again, it's that financial incentive. Uh, I forget who the quote is from, but it's something like, uh, a man will never believe anything that his income doesn't depend on, or something like that. Um, and it's very true. Like, if your income depends on knowing something— oh, sorry, and not believing something, you're not going to believe it. It's as simple as that, because we have this culture that is, um, Robert Anton Wilson describes money as biosecurity or bio-survival tickets. That's what they function as in our society. And the banking system and debt and all the rest of it— if your bank account goes down, you feel threatened because money represents the tickets that allow you to survive, to pay for rent so that you have shelter, to pay for for food, to pay the hospital if things go wrong. So we have a very fear-based relationship with money itself. So, you know, the big companies and everything else, as they're maximizing their profit margins, it unfortunately creates this larger culture that doesn't do anyone good. But I wanted to— I know the kind of esoteric reason with fluoride. They say that, you know, your third eye is is being blocked and you, you don't dream as much, you're less spiritual, uh, because it's calcifying the pineal gland. And fluoride does that, it does create this calcification effect on the pineal gland, uh, which is in your brain. Um, but, but what's— what fluoride, what is it actually doing to people?

Well, this is interesting because yesterday after my post, I just decided to go even further and look up what studies and further information of what I may have missed, um, I could find. The most interesting one of all of it was WebMD. WebMD is actually a very big site. I think it's owned by one of the big pharmacy groups of chemists in the UK, and they talked about what fluoride does and it talks about the pineal gland and it says how it calcifies it. Actually written on the medical site. So I don't think it's esoteric. I think it's very, um, quite the opposite. Yeah, actually. And, and I— if a science site, one of the most— one of the most respected, I would say, um, especially by Google replacing a lot of the alternative health sites, which is what they did a few years ago, um Says exactly the same. Um, so I don't think it's esoteric anymore, personally.

No, no, no, I knew the esoteric reason, but I— of course there's a more literal, uh, reason as well. It's fucking up, calcifying the pineal gland, which is a hormonal thing.

Yes, exactly, exactly. Um, and, um, yeah, I mean, the, the article is actually called, uh, called, um What to Know About Calcification of the Pineal Gland. That's the exact title of it. And one of the things that it says is, how can you decalcify the pineal gland? It's avoid excess fluoride. And then it says reduce your exposure to EMFs. Yeah, like, and then, um, don't avoid sun exposure. This is pretty much everything. This is a medical site that we get called, uh, um, what's the word, pseudoscience about, even though this clearly isn't pseudoscience.

Yeah, and all those things you mentioned is pretty much what every single person is doing for the majority of their day. They're avoiding sunlight, uh, they're drinking tap water, 8 glasses a day, which, you know, is a bit of a weird number to throw out. Obviously it varies, and 8 glasses of tap water, you do not want to have that you know, um, remineralized filtered water, uh, if you can. Um, and ever since I've kind of figured out that about tap water, um, you never taste the difference. But now that you've had non-tap water, it's like, yeah, well, what was I doing before? It does— it tastes like garbage, you know?

Yeah, it's not— it's night or day, night or day different. I mean, I think the thing is, we're such a huge percentage of our our body is water. And, um, it's common sense. Yeah, I mean, you want to make sure that you're built from the best. And while food gives you the nutrients you need, and the oils that you have help your cell membranes to get those nutrients into the cell and the electrical charge for the cell to work properly and for your mitochondria to fire properly, a lot of this is water-based. And, um, all to do with the minerals. And if you are drinking tap water that is low in minerals, high in chemicals such as mercury, um, or hormones or antibiotics because it's gone through the system, yeah, then it's not gonna— you're not gonna work properly. It's very, very basic. There's actually a book called The New Biology of, uh, Water and, uh, Cancer, I think it is. Um, and it goes into how the body is affected. It's basically biohacking with water, a whole book dedicated to it. It talks about all of it, including Gerald Pollack's work about the fourth phase of water, um, and how red light therapy affects your water, and you know why your water should be the best and what minerals you should use and everything. One of my best, one of my best books, actually.

Do you subscribe to the idea that um, sound energy and, uh, words can restructure water to be healthier for you?

Yes and no. I don't know enough of it to comment or be critical of it. Um, it does sound batshit crazy, um, but it's just, it's just frequency. Yeah. Um, so it makes sense to me. Yeah, yeah, it does. It makes sense to me. It does. Um, let's be honest, positive language, negative language can make our— us feel differently. Yeah. Uh, the same thing said with a different tone, um, can make us feel very differently. Yeah. You can say a question without going up at the end and people won't realize it's a question even though it's exactly the same sentence. I mean, communication is here for a reason. Um, so I believe that to be true from what I know so far, but I can't take it apart, so therefore I don't talk about it yet.

Right, that's a very good, uh, thing to do. But I think— I mean, I think the reason it makes us feel bad is as well, um, it's like the ancient practice of saying grace. You speak gratitude and appreciation for your food, which has water molecules in it. And some would argue that that energy which we know exists, as our thoughts have their own energy as well, our words have their own energy, and that energy changes depending on the nature of the word. That's a, you know, a fact that can kind of hold within the food itself. It's like when food is made with love from your grandma, it's going to taste better and it's going to be better for you. Why? Because it's made with love and it was, you know, it has that resonant energy. And I think if you can treat everything like that, whether or not that there are, you know, specific studies that show, oh yeah, look, we, uh, we, we made this burger feel better by complimenting it, um, yeah, for all intents and purposes it is like that, I think.

Yeah.

But again, I don't know. Um, I wanted to speak to you about your sleep scores. Uh, sleep obviously being the one of the huge things that's plaguing our society, or not sleep, but lack of sleep is plaguing our society, or not even lack of sleep, lack of quality sleep and restful sleep because of, um, you know, a number of things. But how, if you had to get your perfect Oura Ring score, what are you doing for the quality of your sleep as an elite biohacker?

So can you say the question again, if that's okay, because you cut out for a split second then.

Oh yeah, just asking about your sleep scores on the Oura Ring, uh, just asking kind of what do you do to set up for the best night's sleep you could possibly get?

Well, yes, good question. Um, it's not just about what you— it's basically what you do for your day to optimize your night. And, um, originally I used to talk about sleep optimization an awful lot Now I talk more about optimizing your day to optimize your night. And the things that you do throughout your day and the timing of your day is what really sets you up for a good night's sleep. But there are also things that you do in the evening. Um, so really it's from the moment that you wake up, um, that impacts the end of your day significantly. So for instance, waking with natural sunlight. I mean, I used to think blackout blinds were amazing and that, you know, the more black, the darker your room was, the better. Um, I think that that just means that you end up being up later, and, you know, you have to block out blue light after sunset so you can be up later, and then block out sunrise so you can wake up later.

Yeah.

Um, which, you know, they're biohacks, they work, they work very well. But the point is, is if you're having to block, filter junk light so that it's more, let's say, natural at that time of day, and then you're having to block natural light in the morning so that you can sleep longer, you got something wrong.

Yeah, 100%.

You should be, you know, going to bed nearer sunset or earlier and waking up with sunrise. Now, there is an element that sleep obviously sleep gives our bodies downtime so that it can actually use its energy to repair the damage that you've done to it during the day using the building blocks that you've given it during the day, which is why when you've got a cold or flu or had a heavy workout day, then you need more sleep to repair more. The thing is, is if you are staying up late, you do need to get up later. You shouldn't cut your sleep short by waking up with sunrise, but really you should get to the point of where you are sleeping earlier and waking up naturally with sunrise to give your body the amount of time it needs to repair. And then things that really affect sleep badly or negatively are eating too late in the day. So after sunset, for instance, we produce 50 times less insulin there or thereabouts, which means our blood sugar is higher throughout the night. Meaning that we're actually storing that as fat. We're storing that energy instead of using the energy that we've collected during the day for repair. We're actually storing it, which is— there was actually a study that was done by Dr. Satchin Panda in the book, and it was talked about in the book, The Circadian Code, where they gave two sets of rodents the same amount of food. One had their food limited to an 8-hour window, and one had the same amount of food but wasn't limited in terms of timing. They could eat all day, every day. The ones that had limited to a 6 to 8 hour window lost weight. The ones that could eat all day every day put on weight, um, from the same food. Not necessarily good quality food either, but showing that they basically stored as fat. Now the interesting thing is here is when I track my blood glucose with a 24 7 glucose monitor, and obviously I track my sleep with my Oura Ring. I noticed that my deepest sleep and my highest heart rate variability and lowest heart rate is when my blood sugar is a very healthy low— not a crazy stupid low, yeah, healthy. So if we produce 50 times less insulin after sunset Why would we eat much after sunset if our heart's most rested when our blood glucose is lower? Yeah, so therefore you're more rested and repairing better. So that's just another thing, is things like exercising after 3 or 4 PM is crazy because you're actually going to create, um, more stress on the body, um, in terms of stress hormones, which, um, instead of winding down at sunset you're going to be ramped up. Yeah, meaning that our heart rate will be up, you won't be so slept so well. Um, like for instance, if you— for instance, if you kept yourself up, you've been to a rave or a party or festival or something, you come home after having 2 hours sleep all weekend, you then jump into bed and you'll sleep, you know, solidly for 12, 14 hours, and you'll see that your heart rate variability is super high and your resting heart rate is super low just because you're so relaxed for so long.

Yeah.

It just shows that you need to, you know, give yourself that time to wind down instead of winding up. At times you should be winding down. And then there's just giving yourself, you know, the building blocks, like again, water, proper water with the right minerals. If you are dehydrated, your body will be in a stress state. Cortisol will be up, adrenals will be stressed. You won't be ready to wind down and sleep. So by having, you know, 350 milliliters of water with some Celtic sea salt added, giving your body the minerals it needs to you know, to repair, um, then you will sleep better. And there's a whole host of things, a whole— I mean, I've got a list of 20 or 30 things you can do to improve sleep. Yeah, you haven't got the basic building blocks, you know, such as, you know, timing of your food, the water and the minerals and things like that, then, you know, nothing else is really going to move. Yes, exactly. This is why sunrise is so important, obviously. Um, and sunset as well.

Do you do sun gazing where you look directly at the sun?

Not really, no. I like, I like 45-degree angles, like, so when I'm relaxing or chilling out, I used to sit looking at the sun with my eyes closed and it used to feel amazing, but now I have my eyes open to get as much natural light in as possible, but I don't look directly at the sun.

Well, I do. Um, it's something for you to try. Yeah, it's, uh, it's a bit of a you know, an ancient thing, um, and there's a lot of good stuff about it, uh, in terms of repairing eye damage, um, you know, conversely to what most people think. But it's this very unique sensation. And again, one of the other very powerful ways to decalcify your pineal gland is to look directly at the sun, um, and you kind of tilt your head back a little bit and imagine the sunlight kind of coming into your brain, which is essentially what it's doing as it's passing into the, into the eyes and the blood vessels there. But when you look at the sun directly, obviously only do it when the sun is very low in the sky, so sunrise and sunset. But you look at the sun directly, and as your eyes adjust, it might— there might be a little bit of like discomfort, semi kind of your eyes adjusting. But then when your eyes realize what they're doing, and, you know, obviously work up to several minutes at a time, but start with, you know, 20 seconds or whatever, but you, you, all of the rays of the sun disappear, like those kind of blinding rays, and it just becomes this perfect circle. And it becomes this very interesting, deep meditative experience where you are almost connecting with the sun, I find. And it's, it's a very kind of powerful energetic thing, um, and I recommend you do it.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, I did discuss with Dr. Christopher Shade, uh, once upon a time about it, and he said sky gazing. He's a big, big fan of sky gazing, but is there any sun gazing?

Yeah, so sky gazing, I guess, as well, and generally looking at the horizon and being outside instead of looking at a screen is your eye muscles get to relax because when they're— or vice versa, I'm not sure if they're focused if they're tight when you're looking at the horizon or relaxed. But it's a different state than it is just looking at a screen all day, which is several feet. And those eye muscles can kind of move into a different position. And obviously, like any muscles in the body, when they're in one position for too long, that's going to be detrimental to health. If we're sitting for too long, you know, sitting itself is not bad, but when it's the only thing that we're doing for 8 hours at a time, then of course it's going to be bad, um, you know. So eye gazing and looking at the sky is kind of the same.

Yeah, yeah, it's funny, it's like I reversed my eyesight— my loss of eyesight, should I say, a poor eyesight quality. Um, and so many people say to me, what do you do? And I said, well, partly from not wearing sunglasses anymore, partly from Yoga for the Eyes, which was a book that came out a while ago, um, Yoga for the Eyes. And that's just basically doing eye exercises focusing on the distance opposed to just on the screen in front of you. And, um, also I tried things like human growth hormones, I tried red light therapy as well, obviously, which I found really helped, as well as general nutrition. And, you know, making sure that when I check my cellular deficiencies, I've optimized them. And then it's funny how the body does repair. But another thing is, is that people get into this whole, oh, my eyesight's getting worse, so the opticians gives me a slightly stronger prescription every year, which then makes your eyes weaker every year, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy. I mean, one of my friends actually got a -7 eyesight, um, and his eyes progressively got worse, uh, until he started, um, reducing the strength of his lenses, um, even though he'd been told that that's what you do. And when you talk to an optician about this, obviously there's financial incentive for the people that train them to make them think, no, no, when your eyesight gets weaker, make the lenses stronger. But it's pretty simple. Again, it's like having mercury in your mouth. Oh no, it's safe in your mouth, but it's not when it's on the side. It's like, well, actually, if your, your eye muscles are getting weaker and you put stronger lenses on, they're going to become even weaker, which means you're going to need strong lenses. I mean, it's pretty obvious. Again, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's almost like wearing a gravity suit and then going to lift weights. Yeah, it's funny, I hadn't thought about it like that. Do you think that— I mean, most— I guess the aging generation now has been the first generation that has watched a lot of TV, especially in their old age. Do you think— or even engage with computers, but probably not as much. Do you think most of that eye degradation is due to that and the kind of out you know, wrong notion that you need stronger and stronger glasses?

I think most of it is, personally, but yeah, that's just personal opinion. I mean, it's just— let's be honest, it's the same with the, the bra post. It's like, while the bra— that the breasts aren't muscles, they do have muscles around them on the chest. And if you are relieving those muscles of their use, right, they will become weaker. Yeah, it's exactly the same with me. I know that if I stop working out, my muscles become smaller and they become weaker. I have to start again almost. It's the same logic with the eyes, with the, with the breasts, all of these things.

We, what we don't use, we lose.

What about, um, and I, I see you discussing certain supplements, and I like supplements, of course. There are some great ones, um, but like you were saying kind of before with the sleep, you've got to have the, the main things in order before you even look at supplements. Now, provided someone is eating a great diet, they're sleeping well, they're exercising, they're getting outside, what are your top supplement lists that you would go for?

Um, it really depends on the person. I mean, I think number one is every supplement brand wants you to buy every supplement you possibly can. I think people that do supplement end up, you know, some of them have 10, 20, 30 supplements a day and, you know, and can't go without any of them. Um, I was, I was there. Um, but I think where biohacking in general is going, or should be going, is hyper-personalized, um, and what we should have for us as an individual. For instance, you know, some people say, oh well, I can't eat meat because it's just too heavy for my digestion and I can't cope with it, so therefore I'm vegan. And someone else says, I can't eat, um, I can't eat plants because they just destroy my gut and I end up going poop 50 times a day. Yeah, you know. Oh, I mean, I would look at both of those cases and say, why can't they handle meat? Why is it too heavy for them?

Number one. Yeah.

Um, and then with the person with plants, like, why can't their gut cope with it? What is going on there? And then hyper-personalize— or should I personalize— the either the probiotics or the liver support or whatever for them so that they can have a well-rounded diet. Um, and I think when it comes to supplements, it's exactly the same. It's you know, there's basic building blocks we need, which is salt. So Celtic Sea Salt, I think, is the number one supplement that anyone should be having because that gives you all the minerals in the right ratios of what we need to operate properly. Um, and supplement would be proper clean filtered water which has been remineralized with that salt. Those would be my, my number one hack. Um, other than blue-blocking glasses. Um, then on top of that, if, if— because everyone eats so much crappy oils, um, especially, yeah, canola, sunflower oil, any of these things that basically are rancid and, you know, processed at hundreds of degrees temperature— these oils make up our cell membranes. And the cell membranes is the outer edge of the cell. And if we have rubbish oils, we will have rubbish cell membranes. Now, you know, what's the reason that that's so important? Well, the cell membranes govern what goes into the cell, comes out of the cell, and how the cell deals with electricity. And how you deal with electricity is how much energy you have. So if your cell membranes are made up of crappy oils um, and they're rancid, and then you won't be getting the nutrients into the cell properly or toxins out of the cell properly. So making sure your cell membranes are absolutely tip-top is more important than most other things other than the minerals. So there's actually a supplement I like from a brand called Body Bio— no affiliation at all— um, and they do phospholipids PC. Phospholipids basically make up your cell membrane and help repair the damage done to your cell membrane. But that is on the assumption that you are actually replacing your crappy oils from your diet with decent ones— olive oil, butter, lard, etc., etc. Oh, MCT oil, coconut oil— opposed to vegetable oil, canola oil, seed oil. Yeah, probably the worst. Yeah, um, I actually did a post on it, uh, a couple of weeks ago on Instagram about it, and also had a chat, uh, debate with the Fitness Chef on Instagram about it as well, uh, where he, he said he doesn't promote that. And then when I looked at his feed, 3 of the 7 last posts on his wall promoted trans fatty acids, which are basically rancid, uh oils in them. So, you know, and he couldn't stand up to me pushing him about when I talked about the electron transport chain and how the cell gets electricity in, basically. Um, and he ducked out and just called me a quack, which is brilliant.

That's when you know you've won, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, curious, with the— I, I never really know how to answer this— fish I think it's a natural food, obviously a natural meat, and you eat it. It does have a higher polyunsaturated fat content, but it's more about the processed nature and highly oxidizing nature of these processed seed oils than it is the polyunsaturated fatty acids, correct?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, for instance, I'll give an example. I, I brought out a vitamin D supplement recently under my, one of my brands, and, um, it's got sunflower oil in it. Now, about 6 weeks ago, I did a post talking about how bad 99% of sunflower oil was and that it should be avoided in all cases just because you don't know the quality of it. Yeah. And yet when people pick up my, some, my vitamin D and K stack, which is made from sheep's wool, it's completely natural, it's got natto source vitamin K in it, so it's as natural as you can get if you, you You can't get it from your food sources or from sunlight. And yet people say, well, it's got sunflower oil in it, therefore we shouldn't be having it. Why are you recommending it? But the point is, is that sunflower oil, if cold extracted— and it's actually cold pressed— is cold pressed opposed to heated to stupidly high temperatures which damage and make it rancid. It's actually very good oil. Yeah, but that's less than 1% of the oil out there.

Right.

So it's really important about the quality of it. Now I'm actually going to update the vitamin D product to have MCT oil in it instead of sunflower oil, just because people that think they know everything by hearing sunflower oil is bad, they think that this is bad and can't get their heads around it, opposed to going, well, actually, you know, 99% is bad, 1% isn't. So I do agree that some can actually be very good. The problem is most people are out to make a quick buck. They don't actually care about your health. Or don't know about the details. You know, the Fitness Chef guy, for instance, is spouting out information thinking he knows it. He just doesn't know the details, and the devil is in the detail. And like, um, I'll give you a quick example of why this is so important. For instance, like, for instance, a friend of mine was using red light therapy and couldn't sleep properly. And, um, when I was like, what time of day are you using it? Just before bed. Yeah, red light therapy is good for you. And I was like, well, it is, you know, in the right amount at the right time of day.

And you wouldn't have had red light just before you went to bed.

It's too stimulating for your mitochondria to upregulate energy. Um, the devil is in the detail, and it's the same with these oils as well. There are goods, there are good, there are bad. Um, and unfortunately, the majority of them are bad because people just don't understand the detail of it.

Yep, well, there you go. The devil is in the details, as with all things. Lifting as well, life, relationships. It's very important. Well, Tim, I want to thank you so much for joining me. That brings our time to a close, unfortunately. Thank you for your time.

No worries, thanks for having me.

It's been fun.

Cool, I'll get this up later. But for everyone listening, Thank you for joining us for this episode of the Soulcast.