69 - EP 69 with OrphΣus: Finding your Unique Destiny, God's Plan and Winning the Ultimate Game

I just want to show you this. This is, um, like pure unheated honey. It's the best shit that I've ever, ever come across.

It's It's local?

Yeah, yeah. So it's— this is from in Paraguay where I am, and it's literally like next level.

Do you, um, how much of that are you eating a day?

At least 2 or 3 tablespoons. Yeah, in various forms. Yeah, I'll put it in my coffee, I'll have it with yogurt, I'll just spoon into my mouth.

Yeah, I like it.

Yeah.

What do you think the spiritual connotations of honey are?

Ah, it's a good question. You know, milk and honey, the land of Garden of Eden.

Yeah.

Um, ambrosia being the, the nectar of the gods. You know, the fact that honey is the only— I think it's one of the only foodstuffs that never goes off.

I always found that fascinating. Why?

Just going to plug that in there so you don't get the feedback.

Great.

Why?

Thank you.

That's a good question.

Pure sugar, really. Antioxidants, enzymes. I mean, at a base level, the logic is if something never goes bad, it has to be good for you to have. Like, people are scared of the sugar in honey, but it's not about sugar is bad. It's the processed sugar and the poisonous fucking corn syrup, Frankenstein sugars that are bad for you.

That's right. Yeah. Everything has like a little misdirection in it, you know, like at first, fat's bad. And then we find out fat's not bad, just like oils, like PUFAs. And then they say sugar's bad. And then you realize, well, is it bad? Is it actually sugar or is it again this sort of fake shit that they make? That they, um, you know, they substitute out the sugar and then they tell you it's bad. So demonization project of everything natural.

Yes. And really, if there was one diet rule to live by— forget about macros, forget about everything— it's: does it exist in the natural world, and can you just pluck it off a tree, you know, kill an animal and eat that, find it in the ground or in a beehive, for example, for honey. If you can do that, you can eat it without, you know, that's going to be good for you. Obviously, barring the poisonous small plants and things which, you know, the loose cases that people— oh, plants will kill you as well. Yeah, sure. But in general, of food that we know is edible, if it's natural, you can just take it out from the natural world. You can eat it, you can eat a lot of it, and you're going to be healthy. It's very simple.

Yeah, yeah, it is simple. We like to overcomplicate things, you know, uh, we like to be sort of the eternal optimizer. And, um, there's a whole bunch of new shit that I don't really understand. I am interested in it, like peptides and whatever, but I'm a bit standoffish with that kind of thing just because, you know, when you reduce something to its component parts it like just by logic, it's missing what made it holistic in nature, you know, like, like seed oils, for example. So the seed itself obviously has the oil in it, but then it also has vitamin E in it, which prevents the oxidation. But if you extract just the oil without the vitamin E, then it becomes like incredibly toxic.

Mhm. Yeah, I always find that fascinating about nuts is nuts are high in PUFA, but they have an adequate amount of vitamin E to protect against that oxidation. So again, natural form, like the sophistication of God's creation is so mind-boggling that that alone is really evidence enough to be like, oh, to not believe that it was just all an accident of this creation.

Yeah, I completely agree. I sort of view it as a closed system and each part is perfect. Like, and it might not— it might not appear perfect because we have death or whatever, but then you realize that is part of the sophisticated process. If you can zoom out further and you can see like, okay, that's part of the process and that is like part of the perfection. Uh, things need to rot in order— there's, you know, there's a function for mold even. So yes, there's nothing that really is not there for a further reason.

What about mosquitoes?

Ah, this is a good question because where I am there's a lot of— there's a lot of mosquitoes.

Yeah.

And I thought about that. I was like, maybe mosquitoes are like, maybe they're, maybe they're from the devil. This little input from the Demiurge.

Now, what things eat mosquitoes?

Yeah. And apparently mosquitoes also pollinate to a small degree. The interesting thing about mosquitoes is that they require blood in order to reproduce. So they— that's— they need either human blood or, uh, cow blood or animal blood in order for them to reproduce. So they are like vampiric, sort of inbuilt into their reproduction cycle.

What about parasites? What is the function of parasites? Maybe if you could give us a background knowledge of parasites, including their spiritual component. And this is one of the topics I wanted to really get into with you, considering we just had a full moon and parasite activity is always heightened during the full moon period. Why that happens, I'm not entirely sure, but if you tie that to— and I saw you tweet about this, uh, lunatics— why do we call crazy people lunatics? Luna meaning moon, or of the moon, I think. And again, there's like the motif of werewolves— they go crazy around the full moon. A man becomes this beast character during the moon. Is the full moon— well, I know the full moon is activating a level of parasitic influence to the point where it's influencing our behavior, because parasites do control humans to some degree. If you are, let's say, infected with them.

Yeah, if you're full of them, I think. Well, I think we're all kind of full of them to a small degree.

Shit. Not me though.

Not me. Sol Brahman. Right. Well, okay, so I'll put it— start it this way. There's an interesting study Or rather, okay, with an anecdote. There's an anecdote of a particular parasitical detox that you can take, and it's called the turpentine cleanse. I don't know if you've heard about this.

Is it chemical turpentine? No.

So it's actually pine resin. It's like natural.

Okay, good. Yeah, natural turps.

Pine resin. Not— yeah, not like paint stripper. That's— I think that's a different type of turpentine. Anyway, it's still very, very strong. I wouldn't recommend anyone— this is not medical advice. I wouldn't recommend anyone doing this without knowing what they're doing. Yeah, but if you put like a little pipette drop on a sugar cube, for example, and then you swallow that, and I guess the idea is that all these parasites, they run to the sugar cube in your gut Mm-hmm. Like, haha. And then, um, and then the turpentine like eviscerates them, like, you know, lights them on fire, chemically burns them. And, um, there was an anecdote, several anecdotes, I think I saw it on Reddit actually, um, of men, uh, gay men who had done the turpentine cleanse. And then found out they weren't actually gay.

Hmm.

Um, so this— the suggestion behind this is that these parasites were actually controlling their sexual preferences, uh, which is an interesting thing to consider. I think the parasites in general control a lot of our mental processes without us realizing it. And, you know, that's why we have so many Lunatics. And it's tied to, it's tied in with the moon because, uh, it depends how esoteric you want to get, but the max.

Okay, for sure, maximum esoteric. That's what people tune in for.

Yeah, yeah, okay, good.

Um, no Huberman stuff.

Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know the Huberman stuff either.

No, he's great, it's, it's just, um, you you know, that's like the mainstream entry level. And then I guess we want to just explore any of these concepts which people may balk at instantly, be like, 'Oh, that's outrageous, I'm not going to listen to that.' Like, my exploration and how I treat discussion is explore the topic, see what links up, see what makes sense, see if I can match things, you know, from other theories or people, and just explore it. And no need to judge it either way. And then when you get to the bottom of that you can hold that in your mind. You can— don't have to believe it, you can just, you know, synthesize it with other stuff. That's what I like discussion to be. And I don't think you progress in any meaningful way unless you do hear out other alternatives, point of— alternative points of view, even if you think they're whack. So the esoteric stuff that you may listen to now or have heard before, just, you know, let it sink into your mind and consider it. So That being said, doesn't mean that anything we say here is like 100% the truth, because, you know, at the end of the day, it's information that we're presenting and we've read, and, you know, we're not going to prove every single thing. But continue.

That's right. There are things you, you don't need to prove, really. I think it's not, it's not even important. Like, yeah, this idea of having everything quantified is a misnomer because it views the world from a pure purely rational, purely physical and material standpoint. You can't quantify spiritual realms. You can't quantify what's outside of your visible light spectrum. So there's a lot that you— we— unless if we take the sort of mantra that it doesn't exist unless it can be quantified.

Yeah.

Then that's, you know, that's denying— it's denying the existence of these, these, uh, supersensory realms that we can't perceive. And that's fine. Yeah, if you want to do that, that's fine. But I don't deny them. Yeah, I've had personal experiences of them. But then again, it's— I can't tell you about them in a way that can be quantified for you to believe, you know?

Yeah.

Um, okay, so maximum esoteric. Well, the Anthroposophical viewpoint, which is, um, Rudolf Steiner, uh, and I'd give the very quick, like, Cliff Notes is basically the, the moon is, is a kind of spiritual gateway to a different spiritual sphere. Uh, I think it's called the Eighth Sphere, and the Eighth Sphere, otherwise known as the Abyss, and this is where, this is where these parasitical forces reside, and they're sort of non-biological they can't reside in our atmosphere, maybe, or our sort of spiritual frequency. However, and basically what they did is they're these parasitical forces, you know, you could call them fallen angels if you want to take a more biblical approach to it. They, they stunted their own spiritual evolution So we're all on this spiritual evolution where we're kind of— we separate from God and then we return to God consciously. It's kind of like this. Um, and they stunted theirs, so they need us.

We come out from God, come into this phys— this particular realm of Earth to learn and grow as a spirit, and then go back to God through death once we break out of that cycle, right?

Yeah, but we return consciously, so we return with the knowledge that we discovered.

Yeah.

Um, and so they've stunted their growth. Maybe they've like, they've hit a ceiling essentially, and they can't go any higher. And so in one respect, these forces want to drag everyone else, prevent everyone else from reaching the next level, if you will.

Okay.

Uh, and because they can't exist biologically, they need to exist through various different means, and one of those means is this sort of as above, so below relationship with the parasites inside of our gut. Um, so that's like their antenna in the material world, and they can kind of talk in a way, I guess, you know, we're trying to— we have to anthropomorphize things and talk about them in this kind of more rudimentary way, um, to make it easier to understand. But yeah, that's That's what they do. They talk to the parasites in our gut and they make us do crazy things. And, you know, the elites probably commune with them one way or another, and maybe they get given promises and, and whatever. But that's, you know, again, conjecture. Yeah, but, but yeah. So the moon is this threshold between— it's like a door in the sky, I guess you could look at it like that. And it's like this threshold between these two spiritual realms. So whether we landed on the moon, that's— I don't know. It's like looking at— you can look at things from a physical material viewpoint, or you can look at it for a spiritual viewpoint, or you can look at it both. Yeah, I guess the idea is just to maintain equanimity. So you take an idea as long as it goes. You can hold two seemingly opposing views in your hands and not get triggered either one of them. And then when you get to the end of, of one thought train, you can hop off and say, all right, well, that served me as far as it— as far as it's coming. We'll move on to something else.

Yeah, so that makes sense to me because everything just feels more spiritual. Like, if you are tapped in, if you don't— like, if you're open or at least exposed to this world in some way, a full moon just feels spooky. It in a lot of ways. And depending on, you know, astrologically what kind of full moon it is, there's different vibes and different feelings. But it literally feels like the veil between worlds is more open on a full moon. And if you take it to be like, okay, the moon is a gateway, then that makes sense to me. Now, for people that doubt that parasites control us or whatever, If you think about— you think about when you eat bad food, the microbiome and the gut will trigger you to have cravings for that bad food. And why do I want McDonald's right now? It's because through whatever meaning— like, whatever mechanism they are doing, maybe it's the microbiome also in the parasites, but it's functionally the same. It's probably a split of both. It's like there are little creatures inside your gut somehow influencing your brain, which you think, oh, I'm a conscious human, nothing tells me what to do. But you're made up of trillions of these little creatures inside you that are functionally affecting the way that you think. And we know, like, it's, it's proven. Toxoplasmosis, from, um, from the droppings of cats, there's, there is a parasite in that. If you're exposed to a lot of that, it makes you more aggressive, risk-taking. They've shown wolves that have toxoplasmosis more so, they're more likely to become the alpha of the pack. So there, there's this functionality aspect of, okay, we can see that parasites do control people, are influencing behavior, or control organisms in general. So to take it the next level of, if someone is so full of parasites, are they really in control of their own physical body? Especially during these times where lunatics, werewolves, kind of out and about and people go a little bit crazy around the full moon. Like, it just makes sense to me.

Yeah, and people do go crazy, you know. Like, I think, um, instances of traffic accidents— traffic accidents are always higher. Um, yeah, you know, people like do weird stuff, like they just wander out in front of the road without thinking. And yeah, you know, like, it's, um It's definitely observable. And, um, yeah, I, I, I think it's— to me it makes perfect sense that we'd like— these parasites are a strong influence on us. You know, religion and spirituality always looks at things allegorically, uh, or that's the way it explains things. And so we talk about— and then, you know, we talk about fallen angels and we talk about like demonic forces or whatever, and, uh, we're putting words to spiritual concepts, but then they, they all have a material counterpart as well. So you could just view these, uh, these parasites as the material counterparts to this spiritual force. It's the way I'd see it, right?

And the turpentine cleanse, or the pine tar cleanses. Is that something that you do regularly, or do you have another protocol for parasite cleansing that you do that's a bit less intense?

Yeah, the turpentine cleanse is not something you do too regularly. There are a lot of herbs. Wormwood, I think, is one. You know, I think the important thing to know is like it's not some random thing.

Thing.

You just— you don't just pop a pill or like take some supplements. Like, proper parasite cleanses can go wrong, um, so you need to be quite educated and quite careful with how you do it. Uh, there are some really good protocols, um, you know, if, if anyone sees this and like wants a, a good protocol, then they can DM me on Twitter. I can provide one. It's just, you know, it's a lot of information, right? Then, but again, finding someone more professional than me on this subject is wise, you know.

Right on. Something that comes to mind about these other spiritual allegories is, uh, the concept of fasting and how Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights. And would you say that that whole concept and the reason why fasting is spiritual is because or why fasting is found in spiritual, uh, I guess, information from all the different cultures is because it starves those parasites that may be inside you.

Yeah, for sure. On one, on one angle, that's definitely the reason. On the other angle is because you have like the ascended masters, these people who let, let's say, because we'll get on to samsara and, um, uh, you know, The Matrix and whatever, those who are close to their final incarnation, or maybe it is their final incarnation, um, they are described as, uh, people who don't need to eat food. Yeah, they actually can survive off life force itself, you know. Uh, yeah, there's one character, uh, the Count Saint Germain. Saint Germain. Um, so he was said to live for like 300 years under different names, um, and he was described— he's been described sort of by lots of different people in history, um, finally under the name of, of the Count Saint Germain, uh, around about time before the French Revolution in Paris. And he was warning the aristocracy like, this is coming down the line and you're all going to die. And they didn't listen to And it was said that he—

what was coming?

Uh, the French Revolution.

The Revolution, right. Okay.

And, um, it was said that he would go to dinner parties. He was incredibly charismatic, could talk for hours, and he would talk like the entire dinner party, and nobody ever saw him eat anything. Um, and it's like this, this sort of funny thing that anyone who met the Count Saint-Germain. It was always at dinner parties, but nobody ever saw him eat. And it said that he was an ascended master, and you, um, and this is your final incarnation. And then you, as when you die, you take your body with you, so much like, like Jesus took his body with him. Um, and I obviously not to compare those two, I don't want to trigger Christians, like I'm not comparing those two in value, but, um, it's just this idea that fasting makes us closer to our spiritual self because our light body or etheric or astral bodies, they don't need food. Food is matter, and, and that's only for our physical body. Um, again, I also wouldn't say go and be a breatharian because don't— I like eat food. Yeah, yeah, we are matter and it gives us sustenance, and so embrace that.

Yeah, there's definitely though something, and I've even noticed it to some degree over myself— in myself over the last couple years— is just needing less food. And whether it's just a question of biologically aging from, you know, real young 20s guy to late 20s guy, I feel like maybe that's common, or training a little bit less, but I feel like physically I'm as strong, more developed muscular-wise, and, you know, my mental output is the same if not better. But I, I just don't find myself eating as much. But I am spending a lot more time outdoors in the sun, um, and really, you know, to some degree, semen retention for longer periods of time. I feel like I'm just tapped into the spiritual energy more. And all of those things contribute to the point where I just don't need to eat the same amount of food for the same physical level of existence. And I imagine that what I see in, in people, maybe Breatharians, where they— who's to know if they're actually fulfilling what they say? I'm sure there are some charlatans, but The idea that, oh yeah, I just breathe, I like, I don't necessarily need food, and it sounds whack. But if you extend the, I guess, this idea that you can attain energy from light and other dimensions to fulfill the physical form, that's like, if you take that to its full extension, so you don't need any food at all, whereas I might have experienced I need a little bit less food at this point. Is there a point in 30 years' time when I'm much more tapped in where that just kind of gradually transits to the point? And it's, it's also indicative of what I imagine is, and what I've read, is the point of this cyclic physical existence is to get to a point where you are your spiritual body or etheric body no longer has the need to be in the physical body. And at the— whether it's the end of your life, whether you can actually choose to end your life and just step out of your body, which is what some, uh, yogic masters have done, uh, that seems to be the end point of this cyclical incarnation, is is to be able to just uplevel your spiritual energy so much to the point, okay, food, blah blah blah, get to the end, and then you, you go back to the source energy, whether it's a different dimension for a period of time where you help the people still stuck, not stuck here, still learning here. And that's where like spiritual guides come from. That's where, uh, you can— yeah, you can pray to saints and, and things and they'll you know, show themselves in some form to you, it's because they're in this separate realm that's not the 3D that we find ourselves in, this body, but they're still there. And that transition, I guess, is— and it's probably only part of a larger cycle, right? So yeah, I know. Would you say that kind of summation is accurate for what you have experienced so far?

Yeah. Um, I don't know if it can occur in a— in one life. Um, I think the larger cycles are more important. Like, if you're— it's probably more like if you're eating food when you're born, you'll be eating food when you die. And, you know, it's like, to really exit the game, that's a long process. Like, yeah, you have to— because to exit the game, let's say, you have to then be able to have— you have to be able to create a new game. So you are at that point endowed with that they're almost, let's say, the same creative capacity as God himself. Uh, so this is not something that like is, is by any means easy to, to achieve. Um, it's like the hardest possible thing to achieve and probably requires many, many goes at this game.

Yeah.

Um, but I've noticed myself not eating as much as I used to as well, and not needing to eat. You know, I don't count calories. But my energy levels are the same, if not better, than when I would eat, you know, considerably more when I was younger. Again, I'm like you. I'm in the sun a lot, walking around, working out, and I'm just busy. And if you're busy, like you're always doing something, you have— seem to have like another source of energy. That comes from like just doing things, you know, it's like the more— sorry, excuse me— the more exercise you do, actually, the more energy you have. And I eat like, let's see, so I'll have watermelon in the morning.

Nice.

Yeah. You've been vibing on watermelon hard. I was like, I saw you. Yeah, I saw you put the salt on it and I was like, oh shit, that's salt watermelon. I did the same.

I was like, and honey and honey.

Yeah. And yeah, so, so I have watermelon and I'll have like some raw eggs, 6, 6 or 7, mainly just the yolk with some, with some raw milk and more honey.

Right. Yeah.

And then, you know, I might not eat then for another for another like 4 or 5 hours. Um, and but in the evening I'll have a big meal and I'll have something before I go to the gym. But I don't know, I might be on— I might be like 2,000 calories, but I haven't lost— I haven't lost any size or strength.

No, I think an important part to note is that I think— I'm not pretending to say that I'm like on this path where I can turn into a breatharian or anything, so like I don't want anyone to think that, but part of the reason why I think both of us have been able to eat less compared to our younger selves is because we understand what is actual nutrition now. So it's not just this like, okay, it's this huge pile of chicken breasts and rice, which I might have eaten when I was 21. It's like the raw egg yolks, the raw milk, the, the fruits, the just like the real actual nutrition that's dense in micronutrients. So we're eating less calories But we're still fueling ourselves and fueling our bodies and minds with the stuff that we know is actually very, very powerful and, you know, high in enzymes and what can actually impact and run the body. So that's just like a— it's probably— we're still— we're getting better nutrition but eating less food. And I think that that's a place that everyone should strive to get to. And that involves eating organic, eating local farmers market as much as possible, high quality grass-fed stuff. You know, pasteurized egg yolks, raw milk, all of that stuff where you can eat less in terms of the volume of food that's going inside your body, you're going to be nourished more.

Yeah. Quality over quantity is sort of absolute. And you feel like— I feel better. I don't feel sluggish, you know?

Yeah.

And I just got a spring in your step. You know, jogging around, it's nice.

No one has spring— springs in their step anymore.

Where the bloody hell are those springs gone? We need to bring it back. We need to bring the spring back.

We need to be skipping, springing everywhere. I think it's a sign of the times though, and this is the, I guess, uh, not a cross to bear, but like a, an ideal that I want people to take away from this podcast or my content in general is being a beacon of vitality is so important and so powerful these days because the role models that people have in mass media are garbage. The actors are skinny, like, oh, presented as masculine in these superhero films or whatever. Most of the time they're not. Sometimes they are, which is great, but most of the time they're not. People around them don't care. Blue light, poor food, vaping, or like all of these things which we know about. I don't need to go over them, over them, but the, the, the impact— and I've had this even from when I was 20 years old going, you know, my soy office job that I had. I was the only one in the office across 10 floors of cooking my own food at home. Like, it's such a basic level, and I bring it into the office and it'd be like met with like, oh, what's that? Or how do you have the time to do that? It's like, it takes you like 15-20 minutes to put some chicken and stuff in the, you know, with rice or whatever. But people were inspired from that, and then maybe next week they would show, I made my own lunch because you did. And that is like a One, when you present yourself in a way that you're physically strong and healthy and attractive, because of that it inspires other people to do that, which is a great thing. But the ripple effects of you boosting your own energetic imprint through taking care of yourself is something that you won't— I mean, you will see the direct effect of it, but there's, there's so much that you don't see because you're spirit is now charged and permeating things and everything you come into contact with in your environment. That is, it's a— it really should be a responsibility or a value and a goal of yours to charge that and magnify it, because really that's the first steps to the lead-up of our ultimate responsibility, which is raising the vibration of everything around us.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, 100%. I think, um, we're, you know, we are the bearers of meaning, and that's how you should view your life. Like, you walk around and things, things around you are, in comparison to you, they're, they're relatively inanimate. They have less, uh, processes, less, um, sort of high-functioning life force running through them. And so you, you have more meaning than they do. And you could— but you can endow everything around you with meaning. You can bless the plants with your presence.

Yep.

You know, and that's actually a really good way to, to live because makes you feel more connected. And, um, and sort of allows us to, to, you know, like there's this sort of gamifying aspect to life that I like to do. Um, this kind of idea that we are— we're occupying an avatar, um, but the avatar— that the health of the avatar is, is pivotal to the health of the soul inside the avatar. And actually, this is— yeah, again, if we bring it back to Steiner, um, the soul is something that you cultivate. It's not— it's— they're not just all equal. They begin as seeds. And you have to cultivate them. These— or they begin as a kernel, right, like the shell of a seed. And you have to sort of— and each life a new seed sprouts. And so there's this slight sort of levels to the soul, um, but the kernel is the one that passes from life to life. And you— like, the idea is for you to expand that kernel, expand that soul kernel, um, and the physical body is paramount to be able to be able to do that. For example, if certain organs like your eyes or your ears, which are responsible for receiving information, are not well developed, then your soul can't expand in certain ways because it needs to get information from the outside world, right? So the physical body needs to be in optimal shape in order for your soul to improve. You know, these two things are linked. And then, and then the spirit as well can come in, and you have this sort of like body-soul-spirit mix going on. And, uh, yeah, and the more you, the more you sort of take control of that and take control of your body and then take control of your mind and say, okay, look, I'm not— I have, um, as complicated world going on inside me based on my, uh, sensations and and that as the world outside. And so I can bear, I can sort of endow meaning onto things as I go through my life, and then I can interact with these things that otherwise would seemingly, we wouldn't look at, or they would just be these inanimate things. You know, you can, sounds stupid, but you can talk to trees and plants and be like, all right mate, how you doing?

Yep.

Like, you know, you don't need to be cringy about it, you just need to be sort of authentic about it.

Yeah, um, I've, I've found myself doing that a little bit, is, um, rosemary plants. Rosemary. I've recently started just chewing in my mouth fresh rosemary leaves for the cognition effects. Like, it's a very, very powerful plant antioxidant. So I recommend people just chew rosemary leaves. But if I pick them off, I'll say, thank you, rosemary bush. You know, this is like, one, we can see parallels in let's say the Native American Indians, they, they thank the animals, they thank the plants for everything they're doing. And maybe that, uh, protocol is a vestige of this real understanding that we're— they're not just an inanimate plant that doesn't have any thoughts, feelings, or anything. It's like it's a different thought, it's a different feeling to us, but they still exist on some level. So to— I forget where I also— where I read this, but it really stuck in my mind is that plants view us as gods because we move them around, we give them food, we, we can make like help them live or die. Like, if we had that, some being that had far greater capacity than us to do that, that was looking after us in that way, we would view them as gods. And it's the same way, it's like you can like you said, bless them with your presence, talk to them, um, just really spiritually engage with the world around you. That's what it comes down to, is, is knowing that you are part of this vibratory mix that is expressing itself as certain organisms. And the more that you can tap into that resonance with all of it, I think the more that the game of life becomes easier for you.

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, you know, we all fundamentally want connection. Uh, when we don't feel connected, we feel bad. Leads to depression, leads to anxiety. When we feel connected, we can't really have anxiety because it's like, well, it's just understanding the whole and, and it's the sum of its parts and So, you know, it's, it's this idea that— and this is like a way to live— is, um, I think it was Nietzsche who said, when a matter becomes clear, it ceases to concern us. And that's like, when you understand something, you know, it's no longer a concern, you know, because you understand what it's about. And therefore, the, the uncertainty, which is where fear really comes from um, it's no longer present. And so you should be seeking to understand to the best of your ability, like, everything around you. And, uh, you know, it's like if in a job, your first day, or you've got anxiety because you don't understand what you're doing, but then, yeah, you know, a month, a month later, you have less anxiety because you've increased your understanding. So, um, when you're, when you're sort of tapped in and connected with things. You can, you know, but you've got to understand what they are. You can't just like try and sort of feel it, you know. There's— there are— there is an intellectual process alongside it, you know. You've got to like— it's like baking bread. You can just know what bread is and you're like, okay, great, this is bread. Or you can know what it's— what it's made from, how to knead it, how to roll it, how to bake it, you know. And yeah, once you know these processes, then you can make focaccia or like other types of bread, you know. And it's just the more you know, the more you understand, the more clear things are, the less anxious, the less scared, the less fearful.

Yeah, very true. Do you think anxiety— I see this in some people that reach out to me for help. They have anxiety day to day over really, if you zoom out, very inconsequential things. Um, I mean, to them they seem consequential because I feel like it's just at root— one, there's the health stuff. If you're indoors all day eating bad food, not getting fresh air, that could just be the result, the root of all your anxiety and all your, you know, mental problems. I've seen that many, many times. But past that, I think that maybe especially young men, if there is that deep-seated knowing that what they are doing is not really aligned to their true purpose, I don't think that anxiety is ever going to go away unless you've addressed that issue. And I felt that in myself. I've never been an anxious person, never let anxiety never experienced anxiety to the point where it stopped me doing stuff. But there was what you could frame as the most anxious of my thoughts would be knowing that what I'm doing isn't actually what I'm meant to be doing. And either that wasn't like pursuing my dreams or working in a job that, you know, was, was mid or whatever it was. But there's no holistic practice that can really deal with that other than, I think, pursuing what your God-given purpose is.

Yeah, 100%. It's the most important thing you can do. Um, we all have like a teleological destiny which is in— which is within us, and then it's expressed in our external environment. If, if you have the will to seize it. So it's like this idea of destiny and authenticity, those two things are obviously linked, uh, one leads to the other. Authenticity leads to your destiny. But from my education and, and, you know, what I understand is that your destiny is something that you've chosen with God before you come in. Essentially.

Yeah.

Uh, but whether you fulfill it or not is a whole different story. Um, that's up to you, like, that's your will. And how do we know when we're fulfilling our destiny? Well, you— we can't really. Um, you will feel it the further you go, and you'll just know that it's sort of— that you're on the right track. But it just comes down to being authentic, you know. Don't lie to yourself. Essentially. Take, take risks, providing that it'll lead you further towards who you are authentically. And you need to, you need to learn who you are, you know. You need to learn about why you have sensations. Like, if you can't explain to yourself or to someone else why you like the color yellow, or whatever it is, in a simple and complex way then you don't know yourself well enough. You know, why do I like curves in buildings? Why do I like the palm tree over the oak? You know, or whatever it is. Those are just very basic examples. You need to think about these things and come to, and come to figure out why it is. Because all these things, they, they are your sensations and they belong to you in your soul. So what you find pleasing or displeasing that belongs to you personally, uh, not to anyone else. So you've created this whole internal world and internal structure based on your sensations. You need to come to know why, why these things please you or displease you. And then when you can do that, you can, you can then better sort of scrutinize the outside world, and you can better find like where, where your destiny is or what path is something like this. And then, like you said, this quells your anxiety because, um, you start to get this feeling like, oh, like, fuck, okay, like, I actually have some sort of existential purpose beyond stacking bills and beyond getting a fit girlfriend and whatever, you know. And that's, that's right, like, there is no holistic medicine or the practice or whatever that that is going to really quell that existential anxiety about your own path. And you just have to do it and you just have to like go towards it. Takes courage and you have to stick with it as well. And like me personally made so many mistakes on that. Oh yeah, sort of like mistakes that were pretty significant. Which we can, we can get on to afterwards. Um, and but like, you know, you then figure out who you are more and you just keep going further.

Yeah, no, it's a beautiful way to put it, and I've definitely experienced it, uh, in my own life with like all of the experiences, all of my likes, dislikes, what I was naturally good at, what I was naturally not good at throughout school. It, it paints the tapestry of what I think is like my ultimate purpose. Or the way I see it is that the expression of what your God-given talents are and interests— what, why does that thing interest you and you couldn't care less about something else? Which someone else had dedicated their life to. It's because that was their purpose, but your purpose is not that. And you will run into brick walls everywhere you go unless you find the journey, the, the, the path through that labyrinth of life that is yours and yours alone. And this is where life advice may fall short if you try and mimic other people's journeys in your own. And there were people I initially looked up to in the health space and in general with, let's say, podcasting or content or whatever. But now there's nothing, no one that I would want to mimic, because what I— the path that I am on, I know is mine and mine alone. And where it goes, I'm just kind of trusting God with that. And I want to hear your perception on this. So there's God's plan for us the ultimate destiny, which we— let's say we agreed to before we came into this realm— is that— does that show itself as a function of what we, the person, the human, wants in this life? Is that the programming that comes from God's plan, and thus our manifestation, like wishes or desire for things Is that a function of that natural desire? And that, like, that's our true desire? I think it has to be a true desire which you feel, not a desire implanted by marketing or whatever else. Like, oh, it's God's plan for me to have this huge empty house or Ferrari or whatever. But like, I want a Ferrari. I've wanted this one particular Ferrari for a Miami Vice. There's the only car I've ever wanted. There's a reason I need to have that car. I don't know why. I love it, it looks great, but there's a greater purpose to the individual aesthetic of that car for me in this realm, for whatever reason. Like, I don't know, I didn't choose that particular desire. Is that an energetic blueprint of what our greater desires are? But then the other side of that whole coin is you, the human, and your desires are worthless in the face of God's plan for you. And if you reject all of that and just be open to what the, the plan is for you, and it's like, okay, Saints, maybe they wanted fame or money before that, but when they drop everything and just work in the service of God, they're not going to attain those physical desires, or let's say physical 3D success, but for whatever is laid out for them, that that's their real true purpose, and that's where they're going to be looked after, have their physical needs met, their money, whatever. Like, they'll find shelter. So there's a, I guess, two opposing viewpoints of that, which I'm— and maybe it varies person by person, and I don't know if you can synthesize all that into something coherent, but I'm wondering what you think about it.

Okay, um, yeah, I can certainly try. So I think, um, spiritual reality is for the individual primarily, and then it's for the collective. So we, we are these sort of miniature representations of God with a lot— so we are the same in essence, but we differ in degree, obviously. Um, you know, we can't make fish. We can't create life in the way that God can, but we can create a great deal of things.

And so we can breed fish.

Yeah, we can. Like, so yeah, we can breed fish, so we can facilitate the process that God does.

Yeah.

When it comes to our own individuality, yeah, I think that this is something I wrote about in the thread that's pinned on my, on my, uh, homepage on Twitter. You've got like this, this separate— this horseshoe that I, that I tried to explain, like separation, integration, and then individuation. And so separation is like this sort of ontological reductionist atheistic mindset, um, you know, where we're just like floating in a, in a pool of primordial mush and there's no real reason for anything. It's just chaos that eventually gets ordered through trial and error over and over again. Again, that's just looking at the process of things without looking at like what causes these processes. And then you have the integration, and this is the sort of Alan Watts, you know, sort of Western LARPing as a Buddhist mindset of like, bro, we're all just one, bro, like, chill.

Yeah, yeah.

And, um, you know, and that's just— it's cheap, and there's not enough intellect, there's not enough thoughts gone into that. Um, and then the next one is, um, where you want to get to, uh, is individuation. And this is, you know, to try and— I know this is going to sound very heretical probably, but, um, it's to try and sort of reach as close as you can to, to the heights of God. You know, I think that's what he wants people— wants us to see. That's, um, what he— yeah, what he wants really is for us to bring him back more of ourselves so he knows more about himself. It's kind of put like that, you know. But I have a, I have a mentor, uh, he's an old Romanian man, he's like 85, uh, and it's strange having a mentor of that age. Because, you know, you expect, like, you know, mentors maybe 10 years older than you in business, and they give you actual advice. And I ask him stuff about things that trouble me, and he's like, I don't know what you're worried about. Like, um, you know, because his frame of reference is so long compared to mine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, I'll just say about these bad things that have occurred, he's like, good, that's good.

Yeah, great.

But what he did say to me was you know, when you, when you die, um, and this is what I mean by spirituality is for the individual primarily. When you die and you meet, you meet your creator, the infinite and the divine, and he says like, hello my son, um, what have you done? And you say, well, you know, I did this for, for Karen, and I did this for Sue, I did this for Michael, and I did this blah blah. And he's like, 'Da, that's not why— that's not why I asked you. I said, what have you done for yourself? I gave you your life, not anyone else's. Have you brought back to me 10 times more of yourself so I can—' You know, because we do that and we help God further understand himself, I guess. This is— it's a conception that I'm playing with, and I've been sort of milling it over in my mind over for a long time, and I'm just trying to dissect it into a simple understanding of it. Um, but if it— if when it comes to the collective, which is the sort of collective God of God's plan, um, I think that, uh, we have a great spiritual war to wage, um, and we have to wage it. And it might be the fact that God set up the war in the first place to see if we were willing enough to see if we had the cojones. But yeah, it exists and we have to wage it, and we have to wage it on behalf of the good, the true, and the beautiful, um, and rather than the necrotic and the degraded and the, you know, uh, sort of lecherous goblins and whatever, the decrepit.

Yeah, exactly.

And, um, yeah, so that's a collective war. So if it's like you know, um, we've got to know the battlefield. And you're, you're very much part of that, you know. The battlefield is in the— isn't like the propaganda, it's the, it's the schoolyard, you know. Like, you were sort of mentioning earlier, you don't— you can't really speak to people through logic and, and that kind of stuff because they've been demoralized too long. And when you're demoralized, like, you're just swimming in this pool of cognitive dissonance. So you've got to show them, and that's by just being cooler. You know, people follow the cool kid in the schoolyard. And so, and who's the cool kid? Well, he's authentic and he doesn't give a fuck. And, you know, he'll take the risk. He doesn't mind looking foolish if he makes mistakes, you know, because he's the one who's taking life very seriously. But also a complete joke at the same time. Yep. And, um, yeah, and so that's the positive propaganda that we need to— that you're doing, and we need to embark on. Like, more people need to, need to do the same sort of thing.

Yeah, I, I think back to— there's a whole precipice of, or preface of, uh Thou shalt not kill, right? We all agree killing is bad, most scenarios. But then you say there's this guy who's about to kill two people. If you kill him, you're a hero. Okay, so killing is not necessarily bad, but it's the context of which— like, and replace killing with any, I guess, let's say sin or whatever, but it's the purpose through which, like, if you're defending yourself, your culture, and all of that. And I think too, um, in, in the Aztec times, when the Spanish conquistadors, they came through and they effectively eradicated and stopped the heinous Aztec, uh, culture of— they were, you know, enslaving and killing all of the various tribes there over this, you know, the Aztecs were in control. And it got put as— it got stopped by this guy who was following his own path. And why did he feel the need to take his ships and go in this particular direction and like maybe find this land or not? He didn't know really. He was just following his destiny, his purpose of that life. And if he hadn't done that, then you know, none of this— the war would have happened where they claimed the land and things. But I think it's, it's just more of like an example. And that's— that example has happened, I'm sure, thousands of times across history where God has selected someone for a purpose that seems ungodlike or ungodly. But I guess is it has a righteous determination and purpose behind it. And in that expression of authenticity and following that string of destiny of that individual person, something arguably greater for the realm that we find ourselves in has occurred. And I think trying to grasp that is very, very important for now in this time we find ourselves.

Uh, yeah, absolutely. It's the idea that, you know, what may appear bad on the short term can actually, you know, where if you zoom out and you try and look at it from God's perspective, oh yeah, this person doing this thing, okay, yeah, there might be cruelty involved, or, you know, just taken without context, it appears like, you know, he's just a colonialist or whatever. That doesn't have to be that example because it can be in your life as well. You can do something to someone that doesn't meet their expectations but actually helps them 6 months down the line, you know. It's this sort of different frame of reference, and it's very hard to, to keep that in mind, definitely. Um, and Yeah, I think, uh, some people also are born to, to follow a very, very strong destiny. You know, I think it was Napoleon, he said something like— I can't remember the quote, but I'll follow this, I'll follow this until the star. It's, um, actually, I have, I have got it right here.

Um, I remember him saying that He used to follow a literal star in the sky that would direct him and talk to him about various wars and things. And then like all these tacticians and, and things like, why is one army able to— of 100 people is able to stand up against 10,000? You know, you see these things across history. Why does that happen? Is it because those 100 men were so, you know, tactically oriented that that is you know, they didn't suffer a single casualty? Or is there a larger supernatural force directing from behind the scenes where one force is acting in the righteous nature of defending themselves, their values, their people's God, Christian values, or whatever other values of the, of the time, versus one force army where maybe they were acting in corrupted self-interest and they were attacking for no reason, or all the rest of it. It's like, I think that there's more to it than, oh, this particular guy was a great commander. There's so much luck involved in any of these things, even down to the microcosm of, you know, fights. Why do two equally skilled fighters— one, you know, in the UFC for example— one just gets a, let's say, lucky head kick versus the other on that particular day. I think there's just larger things behind the scenes that are going on in terms of energetic forces, from individual altercations to wars to battles to even the success of businesses and things. It's like operating a financial vehicle that's working towards a common goal is always going to be more successful if it is predicated and aligned with spiritual values that are going to increase the God— the the expression of God in the world. And I think it's really impossible to lose if you operate with trying to find the individual expression of whatever that is for you in whatever vehicle you choose to do so. Yeah, for sure.

Um, it does appear like there's some sort of force that moves behind things and creates circumstances for like you know, coincidence, coincidences to occur or whatever. And they, um, you know, I think it's also— there's, there's a kind of mirroring effect where those who have— those who are able to maintain, uh, unwavering self-belief, um, which appears irrational to begin with, like it's irrational for a smaller army to be able to overcome a far larger force. Okay, but we do hear about these, these, um, stories throughout history. You know, it's, it's irrational to think that you're going to succeed if you like, despite any obstacles, um, because, you know, if you just use probability, you've reduced it down to probability and it gives you like a 1% chance. But if you can maintain that, that irrational optimism and just the self-belief. And there are mechanisms too. You know, we live in this sort of observer-based reality. I really have come to think that, and the world around us reflects our inner state, reflects our attitude and our actions. If we like marry those two things, if we can marry this attitude of like just being indomitable with yourself, and then moving out in the outer world in the direction of those things, of what you want, you know, we create these reality tunnels where it reflects back to us what we are. And that's sort of the biblical, the biblical quote of, to him who hath, more will be given. And on, on a surface level, that seems like, you know, the first time anyone reads that, they're like, 'What, so rich people, they get more money just because they're rich?' You know, that's obviously not what it means. It means like, if you are, if you embody something, you know, you will be given it. Like, if you embody someone who can do what you want to do, and then you move in the direction of that happening, all these forces come in to help you. You know, there's a There's a quote by Goethe which is, it's about doing, let me see if I can find it because it's sort of perfect in this respect. Luckily I always have quotes like just in my notes. Yeah, so here it is. It's the moment you finally commit yourself to a task, the providence also moves. All sorts of things that otherwise would never have happened, happened. To help one. A whole stream of events is set in motion by the decision, and it provides in one's favor numerous unforeseen coincidences, encounters, and material help that no man could ever have dreamed of before. Whatever you can, begin it. Boldness carries genius, power, and magic. Begin now. That's— yeah, that's good. That's Goethe. Yeah, that's great. You know, you've got brilliant artists and generals and people, and they say the same thing. Like, just do it. And then these other forces come out into the fore, and they, um, and they help you get what you need. Uh, so a lot of it is to do with the will of the individuals. You know, there's God's plan, but then God sort of reacts to, to the, the bold. You know, fortune favors the bold.

Yes, I think Like a lot of— and the base level of it is like the beliefs that we have, we hold ourselves, are going to manifest themselves. And if you don't believe in the manifestation aspect, energy, oh, that's, you know, it's just me in this physical world. The person that believes that they're gonna win or can succeed, it's going to take the physical actions to get them to the— like, they're acting as if they're going to succeed. If you don't believe that you can succeed, you're never going to take or bother with those actions. So over time, in 100 scenarios, the person that has the beliefs that they're gonna succeed is gonna win more often than not the person that doesn't believe that. Okay, but the function of having the belief itself is because it is doubly kind of reinforcing with the success that happens to you because of what you were just explaining. It's like this unknowing connection that we have with our subconscious mind, or as some call it, the superconscious. It's like, it's not that it's unaware. I mean, we have a connection to the superconscious mind that takes our beliefs, our conscious thoughts, and runs with them. And it doesn't have any interpretation. We are the watchtower, right? Um, this in the, in the book The Master Key System. He says this concept of that our conscious mind is the guardsman or the watchtower to the portal of the superconscious mind. And if we take any other belief from outside, like all businesses fail, you're never going to be able to do that, and we don't defend our minds from that— your country is worthless, you shouldn't have kids— all of these external programs that is meant to weaken us, if we don't have any distinction or conscious awareness of what's going into our heads, we just automatically pass out to the portal of the superconscious, and those cosmic forces that we cannot explain go on to work against us, and we may not even know it. So being the functional guard tower watchman of every thought that even pops into your mind which really is, is it your thought? Are you, are you thinking the next thought that's going to come? You can't predict that you're going to randomly think of, you know, something cringe you did 10 years ago. It just comes in, right? So watch your own thoughts, even especially watch the thoughts that are given to you, or the pieces of information and the beliefs and the programming from other people around you. And once you have that distinction, okay, what's coming into my mind, because everything I feed into my mind is going to this superconscious cosmic portal, which is then gonna increase the chances or decrease the chances of X, Y, and Z happening. And then you go, okay, if, if, if that occurs, I'm going to try and consciously believe every positive thing, everything that I can feed into myself, into this cosmic reality, is going to be of good, of power, of achievement, all of that. And that then filters through to everything else in your life where these unseen forces, everything just aligns. You, you come into synchronicity. You— all of these things, like opportunities I've had in my life, just literally fall into my lap. Like, it's— I want to dispel the notion that everything that I've built is because of me, the person grinding away at my computer and then I'm so great in my abilities to build and market that all of this stuff happened to a degree for sure. But there's so much to chance, to even other people buying, other connections. All of that happens that I could not possibly have engineered. And so what is that? It's, it's something else that is unexplainable. Well, it is explainable because that's the point of this podcast. We're explaining to people, but it's the superconscious, it's God, and all of that. Really, if you're not working with that force consciously, then you're missing out, and I don't believe you're really going to attain any level of meaningful success that feels good.

Yeah, God respects the will, fortune favors the bold. Um, and authenticity is like primo. That's, that's the most important factor, you know. And it's so easy to step off the line of authenticity because you look around, you see, well, that this person's achieving more and he's more like that and I'm not like that, you know. Obviously you need to, you need to develop your faculties. You need to be able to speak well, you need to be able to think well, and then you can be authentically your best self. So it's not just being an authentic loser. You do need to work at yourself. And some of us are further along that line than others. Genetics plays a role in this, blah, blah, whatever. But the genetics It's not a limiting factor, but malleable. Yeah. But what I would say is in terms of what you were talking about with positive, positive mindsets and, you know, but it's a matter of nutrition. Like what I mean by that is it's mental nutrition. So we would— if we ate poison all the time, we wouldn't, we wouldn't be able to to live after a while. And we consume mental poison all the time, primarily in the way of negative thoughts, negative thought processes, doubts, limiting beliefs. Yeah. And we become accustomed to these things and we don't realize that they're poisoning us. But if you view it in this nutritional aspect, okay, our thoughts are nutrition and we can, you know, maybe it's a good metaphor for people. And they can understand that. Yeah, like Henry Ford said, you either, you know, if you think you can, you think you can't, you're right. So, um, and what have you really got to lose? That's the biggest thing. People think like, oh, they think of all the things they have to lose if they, they strike out and, uh, on their own and try and do something, you know. But, uh, you don't. The biggest regret anyone always has on their deathbed is all the things that didn't do. And I know that's cliché, but it's true. Yeah. Um, and you know, they can go bad, but then time heals those things, and it gives you perspectives that you wouldn't have had unless you tried.

So let's, let's talk about something which may be one of those circumstances which you talk to your mentor about, which, uh, you would prescribe bad at the time, and your experience with, uh, this group in South America, which is where you are now, uh, if you wanted to go into that, because I'm personally just very interested in what this— you described it as a cult, right? And, and that whole experience.

Yeah, for sure, for sure. Um, I will have to say that, um, there's a legal battle going on, um, surrounding it, so I can't— I'm not going to mention any names or locations, um, so it will just sound like a story basically.

Just tell us a story that may or may not be related to something you experienced.

Yeah, um, and, uh, it's a pretty— it's pretty crazy story and a lot of like different parts, so I'll try not to ramble. I'll try to keep it succinct. Um, sure, it was— it was very dramatic. For me personally. Um, okay, so it actually all started in— during COVID uh, well, I was in England and, um, my brother and I moved home. We were living in London, moved home, um, during the lockdown. And, uh, there are a few other people in the area who were very sort of anti-lockdown and that sort of stuff, and I was just raging like hardcore rage, refused all of the, you know, never wore a mask, never took a test. Yeah, um, yeah. And there were other people around that, that did. And so like one day they, um, like, uh, my mom at the time, she ran this sort of health center, uh, like a holistic health center. And, um, and there was a yoga teacher there, and she would come upstairs after after her lessons or whatever, and we'd have a cup of tea and I would just be ranting and she would be like, yeah, I agree, I agree, this is fucking bullshit. And yeah, so then we ended up creating this little community, okay? And it was called the Hastings and Rye Community Cooperative. I gave a talk in the park one day and like 100 people kind of, I don't know how, you know, talk of, like, again, raging about Bill Gates or whatever. And then we've, yeah, we had like this little community of like 100 people who were all like vibing and on board. And anyway, after some time that kind of fell apart, you know, not really, but it just slowed down. People's sort of enthusiasm waned. Um, we had stuff like a food group where we, where we would grow, uh, fresh vegetables. I mean, we were in this sort of lockdown apocalyptic mindset, like, we need to start preparing. Um, yeah. And so we had this food group, and that worked really well. Like, every Sunday, just like big, uh, plant and harvest, and that was really nice. And then there were other, other things going on, like petitioning the local council to open up and that sort of stuff. Um, anyway, so what still exists from that now is a school, actually, um, like a homeschool. Well, it's a proper school, but it's for kids that— or for parents that wanted to take their kids out of school because of all the ridiculous measures and the child abuse and that kind of stuff. And that still, it still exists. I think it's called Hope Sussex. And they're amazing. They're doing incredible stuff. Anyway, so, but one day I sort of found this something just like, it's always serendipity, you know, the way things like fall into your lap, kind of like what you were saying. There was this advert or like a website, found a website for, someone sent it to me maybe, for this like intentional community in South America, um, with sort of Europeans and Americans and, and that sort of stuff. Um, and it looked amazing, like really sophisticated. They had sophisticated machinery to build houses and it was going to create their own colony. And like, I don't know, this was, this was still like during lockdown and they'd seemed to be no light at the end of the tunnel. So I was like, wow, this seems amazing, let's— I want to do this. And me and my girlfriend sort of were very keen, we're like, okay, let's do this. And then I managed to get my mom on board as well. She was— she's similar, she was very pissed off with the environment going on, like she absolutely hated it. And she's almost more righteous Ireland, you know. Uh, so we ended up like just making this, this pretty intense and crazy decision, like, all right, let's go there. So then she, you know, she sold her house, she sold this, this center, and, um, we like— I helped her pack all her stuff up like in a giant 40-foot container and send it over. And then we get there, right? And, um, Yeah, everything seems good. It's really cool. They're all good, like about 300 people living there. Like, they're building their houses. Like, it's a very sophisticated project. They have a 3D printer, you know. They have, yeah, like 20 JCB excavators. Like, a shitload of money put into this project. Yeah, because the way it works is that the, the people moving there, they invest into the project and then they can— and they have like an account and then they can build their house and they can pay for contractors to come in and do it. And the project is run by this company, and the company then takes like a small percentage. It's not that small. They take about 15%. Well, it's written down that they take 15%, but as I found out later, it's a lot more than that. Right. So I was there and I got a job I was running a construction project. Basically, there was this Canadian company there that operated a particular style of construction called rammed earth, and it's kind of like an eco-build, but it's, it's structural and very strong, very good thermal conduct— conductivity, um, good for extremely hot weather, extremely cold weather, and it's beautiful and can sort of last any, like, um, climate problems. So it's like, um, and I was running the— helping running this project, and I learned— I learned about it quickly. Didn't have any experience in, in this type of construction, um, but I'm a quick learner. So took over this project. The Canadian company actually went back to Canada, and so I was left in charge of it. And I was working, and I had a an English-speaking architect who was South American. And basically my— and there were these other construction projects going on run by the, the main company. And so I was an independent, but the only independent. Um, and so people were building their houses and, uh, my business was just getting stifled. Um, you know, like I couldn't get the materials I wanted on time. It would take 6 weeks to get, you know, simple things that I needed. Um, and then I was, I had to meet deadlines and expectations. And, um, anyway, the sort of long and the short of it is I started to discover corruption going on, you know, and, uh, these Europeans, they're quite, they're at the whim of, of the, the company that's running this. And the people who run that company also live there. You know, so it seems legit. These people are in it as well. They're not just— not just some outside company. They also live there. Um, and, uh, the Europeans and Americans, Canadians that are settling there, they're at the whim of this company to, to build their houses, really. They just brought their money. Um, and so I found this, this corruption And I thought it was sort of middle, middle management corruption because there's a lot of South Americans running the sort of middle management logistics and stuff. And it was basically like every single piece of material that, that came in, you know, they, they were skimming off the top. They were skimming 25% extra off the top. So everything was extremely expensive and it, prices just sort of rose and rose. And so I like found out all of this and I took it to the heads and I said, look, there's a situation going on here. You really need to be aware of this. This is the price that I have that I can get for like, I don't know, a pallet of cement. So like 60, 50 kilo bags of cement. And this is the price that your other setters are paying for, you know, and that's like, okay, we take off your percentage. There's an extra 50% there. Like, it's crazy. And they were like, oh yeah, wow, this is bad. And we're talking about across everything, vehicles, materials, like everything you could imagine. And they were like, yeah, this is really bad. We're going to have to do something about this. I was like, yeah, okay. I was like, yeah, you should. Because, you know, like, this is my money as well. You know, you have to invest in order to live there. Um, so I guess, yeah. And then, you know, they, they fired a few people, a few people in key positions. Um, you know, some of the— and I, I had names for everyone, like Tweedledee, Tweedledum, the Big Boy, you know, like, yeah, just because we had to be incognito about it. We had to speak in code because we were working with these people as well, uh, me and my architect. And, um, and lots and lots of intense and crazy shit happened, um, which I can't really go into just for— but it's to do with like potential, um, money laundering and potential, uh, drug trafficking and like this kind of thing. A potential, you know, I'm not I'm not saying that anything's proven on that sort of side, but these were the suspicions that I was developing as I was working, you know, just from the things that I saw and the way people behaved. And, um, and they really did a number on people. Like, you know, the quality of the building started to go down and the prices started to go up. And, um, and like, they would sort of explain how they were like fighting the New World Order and stuff like this, and and people would have to, you know, support them despite these problems that keep on occurring. Yeah. And like they were very talented in their marketing and very talented in their psychological manipulation. And they had like people wrapped around their fingers, you know, even me, like the long of the short is I realized this isn't just middle management corruption. This goes all the way to the top. And there are millions and millions of euros involved in this. Um, and, um, and then I even— I was under sort of cognitive dissonance. I had to like overcome this idea that this is, this is a pyramid scheme and this is a scam and this is not like a legitimate sort of project that's gonna, that's gonna be like this amazing place to live future. And then lots of bad things happened. My relationship broke down, like so much stress, you know, puking in the morning because I was under so much stress. And then it came to this sort of final head on the 2nd of January, which is the first working day of the year. My architect, like, said, you know, I need to speak to you. I was like, okay. So we sort of went to the back room, whatever, and he was like, yeah, I just had a conversation with one of the heads of the whole project, and that person, um, asked me to spy on you. So asked my architect to spy on me and be an informant, essentially, because I knew too much. I was coming, getting too close to the case. Yeah. And so this, this like was the final click, like, okay, I understand what's going on here. I can't, I can't say no, they didn't know. I can't say, look, they're just not as organized or whatever, and they're getting screwed by this person or this person. Okay, they're all in on it. Um, and this was the decision then. It was like, okay, well, now we just need to leave, basically. Um, and my mum was still there, and I was like, you know, and she invested a lot more money. Um, into this place. Um, and so yeah, we then decided, well, we need to, we need to leave, but we need to do it in a way that's very clever without them, without them ever like conning onto it. Um, and we managed to, to do that. You know, we had to pack up a house in the night, during the night, and like put stuff into a container. And you know, there's armed guards walking around, you know, like it's, it's like this big compound with these armed guards and lots of people in it. You know, there's this cat— like, it is a cult in a, in a lot of ways, uh, even though they sort of talk about themselves as this kind of— there's no religious affiliation here, you can be whatever you want, or whatever, you know. Everyone sort of shares the view that there's some shit going down in the outside world that, uh, they want to avoid. And, uh, you know, maybe look at new energy systems and new agriculture. And like, it's very, very forward thinking, but it's like, ostensibly it's— it appears like a cult with armed guards and like gangsters walking around. Like, one of the— one of the heads, you know, he looks like a fucking gangster. Like, he has a big white hat, he's fucking fat as shit, and, uh And, you know, I'd like— but he would be— he was very personal, very nice. And like, for the longest time I thought, you know, this is a good guy. Um, and then it came to— I was like, okay, well, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, yeah, then it's a fucking duck. You know, if it walks like a gangster and talks like a gangster, it's a fucking gangster. Shit. Yeah. So then we had to leave, and, uh, and we didn't say anything. You know, one day we were there, the the next day we were gone. And this actually worked very well in our favor. We did this because other people in the past have also left and, you know, it's not gone so well for them. Um, so then we leave, no money, like just in this country that we don't really know that much about because we spent most of the time in this 16 square kilometer compound. Um, and, uh, so just, yeah, like extremely stressful. Had to, had to then sort of figure out what to do. And through— again, it's like all these outside forces come in to help. Through serendipity, through knowing the right people, we managed to get an excellent, excellent lawyer. Um, you know, and there's been a lot of previous legal battles with this company from other people who've left, and no one has like made any progress because all of the prosecutors are, are bought off. You know, this is what they spend everyone's money on. Prosecution, like buying off prosecutors, buying off politicians, you know. Um, it's really like the fully fledged story would make for an 8-part Netflix special, um, in terms of like some of the crazy shit that happened. And, you know, the people in this place, it made them go mad. Like, it made a lot of people just go really like insane, and they were starting to demonstrate more of like the psychotic behavior that that was in the outside world during COVID or whatever they wanted to get away from, they were like demonstrating that on steroids inside. Um, so we found a lawyer and, uh, and then we, we've started a case which is, um, which is going ahead. Um, but it's, yeah, it's been a hell of a ride. But, you know, without it, I wouldn't have discovered quite what I'm made of. Uh, so in that regard, it was, it was a good thing to happen, you know. I just wish it didn't have to happen this way. And so many people, whole families are affected with kids, and, you know, like, lost their entire nest egg and they don't know what to do and that sort of stuff. Yeah, so we'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes. It's, uh, it's heating up for sure.

Um, so it's an interesting, I guess experience for you to now have that knowledge of? Because there is an undercurrent of people that want to get away from current society in whatever ways, especially because of COVID and stuff. But do you think that there is a possibility or a realm for that to exist without these issues, or do you think it's just like a natural, or let's say inevitable, path for any of these breakaway civilizations not, not even that it's a civilization, but you have to separate and isolate somewhat if you want to build something new. And you think that system can even work? Do you think the people that are attracted to that in the first place inevitably produce this system which blows up? Like, what do you think that it is with your experience there? Yeah, that makes sense.

I think, uh, the idea is that a lot better than the reality. I think, um, if it's rotten at the top, it's rotten all the way through. You can't do anything about that. Um, yeah, it's better to start small. I think it's, it's going to be necessary if you have— if you want to live a different type of life, it, like, it is going to be necessary. And I'm not saying like some hippie commune or whatever, you know. If you want to live sophisticated like life but with your values. And if those values sort of are seemingly opposed to the values of the, of the state or whatever, then yeah, it's like it has to be tried. But you know, there are, there are various things that need to be ensured. Like the location is so important. The problem with the location of, of this place is it's on a fucking swamp. You know, you don't really realize it because it's so dry 9 months of of the year, you get a little bit of rain and the water table is right below. Yeah, it becomes a nightmare for building and stuff like that. So you need to have the location down, you need natural resources, you need high vantage points. And then when it comes to the leadership, leadership has to be, you know, they have to be the, the philosopher kings essentially. They have to be able to bear the responsibility for everything. Um, yeah, and the responsibility to, to, to quell people's fears, um, when things start to, start to go a little bit wrong. It's, again, it comes to self-belief. If you believe that you have the tools to deal with the situation, even if you can't plan for the situation, then when it happens, you have the tools for that. And then, and then the sort of next stage is you've got to be pretty rigorous with your selection. I suppose, because this place wasn't— I mean, it was rigorous. Like, for instance, um, there were certain medical requirements, um, to be part of it. But like, people, some people mentally just— they became like spies, but they were like the Gestapo. It was literally like that. Like, you know, you had the Gestapo walking around trying to eavesdrop on your conversations. It's stuff. Yeah, um, really, really toxic environment to be in. And, uh, it's, it's very difficult. Maybe it's better to begin as a neighborhood and then expand out rather than like trying to just build up some grand idea project from the beginning. Yeah, um, yeah, but, and also I think maybe it's not— unfortunately, the time isn't right. The situation is not desperate enough for people, for the, for people to to really be able to do that. And then the irony is, you know, you don't want to leave it too late, then you can't.

Yep. Oh man, as it's all like you said, the idea of only the people that really see the things wrong with our current society want to all get together and make something different. And not that it's utopia, but, you know, grow your own food and, and be separate, but It's also, I think, people— one, not many people are actually doing that. A lot of people will talk about it, but you know, it's just a lot harder than the idea of it. But I think people underestimate what actually goes into the functionality of our society. You see it even if you go out to a semi-rural cottage and stay there for a while. Like, okay, if the water pipe breaks you can't call a plumber, you just have to deal with it. And you extrapolate that to every aspect of the functionality of the house, the property, the road, the whatever. So much— and this is like a, I guess, a, a broader gratitude problem for people that were born into a world where the hard work and the systems were already created and there's a safety net against nature that exists. And we go to the supermarket to buy our steak, there's no slaughtering, there's no anything. So it's this plug-and-play existence really, with no struggle and subsistence. And I'm part of that myself, you know, I'm not saying I'm a bloody outdoorsman, uh, by any means. But it— like, if you have— okay, those systems exist and they're great and enables so many people to live larger lives without struggling. But if you don't have any gratitude for that and support the systems, or support the people that make those systems operate, and instead focus on these bullshit micro problems which aren't problems because you think they're— it's unfair, or whatever it is you think about the world, and you're trying to push that on to people. And that's the thing that you— like, it's like this death spiral that a society gets in when they do not value the things that actually keep everything growing and going and functioning, and then create these problems because maybe Maybe they create the problems because they don't have the problems now, like the serious problems of struggle and survival that were so prevalent in many, many human societies. And maybe that's just a part of life. Like, you hunt, you have to clean, repair, and things. A lot of people outsource everything, so they don't understand what goes into it. So they create these micro problems, and then that infects enough people, you get a death spiral of the society which I think is what we're seeing with people today.

Yeah, yeah. And, uh, you know, going back to anxieties, if the anxieties people have because of these micro problems that they create a lot of the time, if they had, if they had a few more duties, you know, me including, I don't like, you know, what, what do I do? Okay, I need, I need gas. Okay, I go and I go and fill the gas tank, uh, the local petrol station or whatever. You know, but I don't, I don't chop my own wood. At the moment I live in a city. Um, yeah. And so, you know, I'm not, I'm not professing that I'm any part of this either, but, uh, the general move towards getting closer to, to the sort of sources of, of your energy, of your, the, all these things, your food especially, that's the easiest way to start, the better really. Um, And it can happen as a natural process. I think trying to create mass organizations to do these things is very difficult and often causes— often ruins people. And then they're like, I'll give up now. So just being able to do it sort of in small levels in your own life may be a better way, at least for now.

Yeah. Don't start with trying to create a whole new city or world. But just start with cementing your own skills first of all. And that's something I'm working on in terms of hunting. And then form brotherhoods and friendships with the people around you that think similarly, because those are going to be the people that have your back, hopefully, when potentially a decade from now shit really hits the fan. So, yeah, very interesting stuff. Very interesting topics in general, I think. Is there anything else you wanted to mention before we close out this song.

Um, I just mentioned that one of the things I do now is, uh, this sort of consultation, uh, coaching. It's like physical, mental, spiritual well-being. Um, so I just wanted just a small plug of that, essentially. And of course, and another thing is, um, uh, an immigration and investment program, uh, that, um, to this particular country that I'm living in in South America, and that'll be coming down the line in the future. I've got a few business partners. So those are just those two things, really. And if you DM me on Twitter or Instagram when I start to build that out a bit more, and I'd love to hear from whatever anyone's got any questions, wants to chat. I like talking to strangers a lot.

Perfect. And people can find you @DiscoOrpheus on Twitter. We'll put the links, uh, in the show notes. But man, incredible, incredible discussion. I want to thank you for coming on this episode of the Sellcast. I know it's been a while for people since I put out a new episode, so grateful that we can have this conversation and, uh, put out another episode for everyone. I think people will get a lot out of this. Thanks, Sol.

I had a great time. This is really, really cool. Really great.

Okay, thank you all for listening. See you later.