73 - EP 73 with Pat Moise II: Crystals and Structured Water, Origins of the Cabal and Elevating the Spirit

Are we alive? Welcome, Pat Moyes, to round 2 of the Soulcast. First one we did was in person, which was exquisite, but we are on other sides of the world right now, but I'd like to welcome you once again to the show.

Yeah, it's great to be here, man. We had a great time last time, so looking forward to talking about some new and more exciting topics.

Indeed. So I'm currently wearing my quartz crystal, which, uh, you inspired me to get recently. But, uh, I know there's a lot of people out there who think crystals in general are BS or just rocks. And I was wondering if you could give the high-level, um, information about what crystals are and maybe linking them to how they can store information and act as computers, act as, uh, hard drives really, because I have heard that, but I'm not intimately involved with understanding how that works. But all you have to do is look at our computers right now. What is a computer hard drive that stores information? Well, it's silicon. Silicon is a mineral. It's a type of, uh, crystal that we have organized in a certain way that reads and stores information. So I don't think that it's so out there to look at just a type of other crystal or other rock and think that we can store information in those.

Yeah, I think that's a good point. I mean, the whole The whole issue about crystals is that it's one layer of physical reality, right? So it's not that crystals are special in a particular way. It's that all the different layers of reality and all the different aspects of physical reality, whether it's crystals or, you know, plant life or animal life, human life, they're all vibrations that have been slowed down to the point that it becomes matter. But crystals have a unique, some unique properties. They reflect perfect geometries in their structure. They take very long times to evolve. They evolve over very, very long scales of time, and they possess electromagnetic qualities which make them very much like a technology. And the idea, I think, that you, when you pick up a crystal, there's a, there's a connection there. You could think of anything. You, you, all things have a vibration. So ourselves, we possess a vibration. Our thoughts and our emotions kind of make a collective form, and that's our vibration. So our vibrations are always changing, but the vibrations that crystals emit are always stable and the same. So there's a principle of entrainment where if you were to take, let's say, 10 grandfather's clocks and line them up against a wall and begin the pendulums at different moments, you'd find over a short amount of time, like within a day, all of the pendulums would become aligned, even with very exact, um, pendulums that were created to be scientific instruments. And this has been found. So, the idea is that when you put multiple vibrations near each other, they tend to attract towards something common. So, by having crystals around you and in your space, it's plausible to think that whatever vibration they're emitting, it's like a Wi-Fi router is emitting a vibration into a room that's having an effect on cells. And, You know, people who scoff at this probably haven't done experiments where they put a plant next to a Wi-Fi router in one room, a plant next to, let's say, a large quartz crystal in another room, and put a plant with nothing in a third room. If people who do that, an experiment like that, are going to find the Wi-Fi plant will suffer, the crystal plant will grow more than the plant in the third room. I mean, I found that the case in experiments like that myself. So, and the crystal you're wearing, wearing is quite unique. It's not just a quartz crystal. It was treated to hold a very specific vibration, which is in alignment with the sort of the quantum field, if you will, or the, the vibrations of the space-time continuum. You know, these words sound like high pie, but it's a very special one.

So the experiment that you did with your crystal, which was the same as the one I'm wearing, um, was really interesting. Uh, if you could run us through that, because I remember that the sunflowers, rather than moving towards the sun, which is what they do in order to maximize the amount of sunlight energy they're getting, they were moving towards the crystal, right?

Yeah, that's right. And just to be clear, we're talking about an Ark crystal, which is produced by, by a scientist named Nassim Haramein. And so this is a very particular type of crystal, and what he did is he studied Buckminster Fuller's geometry to understand the geometric arrangement of the space-time continuum, essentially, which happens to also be what occultists are doing when they're trying to get to certain levels of consciousness or achieve certain connections with certain aspects of the, of the manifested universe. So there's a huge relationship there we can talk about later. But he studied this thing and he developed the technology. It took him 20 years to have the tools necessary to cut the crystal. So they grow the crystal in a perfect lattice arrangement where the geometry of the lattice work in this, in the crystal matrix itself, is mimicking the geometry of the field that is described by the mathematics of like Buckminster Fuller. So then he cuts the crystal with particular faces at particular angles that mimics the qualities that relate to the spin of that fabric. And then he puts that in a Tesla generator, Tesla machine, like a Tesla coil, and he by— and he spins the Tesla induction system to the same frequency pitch that that field is giving off naturally, is basically what, what he does to create it. And what happens is it absorbs this vibration and it becomes like a trickle charge of the energy. I guess you could call like chi or prana, maybe some cultures might say. I don't know if that's a perfect corollary, but it's along the right lines. And so it gives this off, and this is this vital you know, energy necessary for all the organization of all, all matter. So I thought this was kind of a crazy thing when I saw it. He gave an interview to a French journalist about it, and he talked about developing this technology in his home over many years, and then he noticed changes in his plants. The plants were growing towards the, the, the part of his apartment where he was doing the experiments, and he had no idea why. He tested their leaves and the soil. He never thought to test the water in the plants. So he started to bring water around and keep it near the crystal, and he recorded all this stuff, and it all sounds fantastic and, and improbable. So I thought to myself, I've studied this guy's work, I've never thought him to be, you know, out of pocket or crazy, or yeah, I thought him to be very respectable, and I have high esteem for, for his work. So I'm like, let me get one of these crystals and do these experiments myself and find out what's going on. So I did, and I found the most remarkable things. It's the same stuff that he you know, talked about happening with this, with the material in his apartment. So I would put plants in the window. I had a double parlor and a sunroom, and I had like a library in the double parlor with all these plants near the windows. So I would put the crystal on a stand like by itself so that the plant could either grow towards the crystal or it would be, you know, growing towards the sunlight in the window. And over a period of weeks, the plants in the proximity of the crystal all grew away from the sunlight and unnaturally bent their stems as if the only light source was coming from where the crystal was. So I thought that was pretty crazy. Then I did a different experiment, and I took a peace lily, and I kept it underneath the peace lily about, you know, 12 hours out of 24, approximately 8 hours out of 24. When I would sleep, I would put it there, and I let it just be underneath. And that peace lily bloomed like 4, 4 times in a year. It just kept blooming, which is not the typical behavior of a peace lily. And that was remarkable. And I wore the thing, and then I would put it underneath jugs of water and then pray with the water and do different things with the water and structure and drink it. And I found I had tremendous, much more bountiful energy, and I felt more full and more calm and grounded. So, yeah, I told you all that and you decided that was worth trying it out yourself.

Yeah. So, I've been kind of putting it near water that I'm restructuring as well as I got— have you used one of the, uh, what's the company? This one is Mayu, M-A-Y-U. They have a little thing in the bottom of the jug which spins magnetically and it creates a water vortex.

Um, I've used technology, really cool.

Yeah, similar, similar way. There are a lot of different ways to do it, but I've been putting the arc crystal on that Um, it feels really good. I don't know whether it's the restructuring itself for them spinning. So to— restructuring of water, I think, uh, seems again like if you haven't heard about it, you think, oh, water is just water, but this is what it is. Water in general, uh, the H2O molecules within are— so you can have a cup of water, but then the H2O molecules, when you zoom in very, very close And correct me if I say anything wrong on this, Pat, if you know differently, but yeah, the H2O molecules themselves can be organized in certain ways. They can be clumped together, they can be evenly spaced apart, which is ideally what we want. And water in nature naturally becomes that way because of the ways that the water is moving. So if you look at a river, it's going side to side at a macro level. or, uh, in springs there's lots of bubbling and things like that, which generally change the magnetic potential of the molecules within. So they're equidistant, uh, equidistant amount of space between the molecules, which creates a kind of electrical charge that works best with the body as we drink it. And when you have our current municipal water systems that are going through right-angled pipes as well as sitting in containers, usually not in sun, not outdoors, not moving. It's dormant water. So you have this electrical charge of the water molecules which isn't as healthy as what we would be the naturally structured lattice of these molecules. So there are certain things that you can do to kind of revitalize the water that you do drink, or ideally getting natural spring water from somewhere close to where you live where that water is just going to be structured by nature of coming out of the spring. Um, so that's structured water, and you can speak more to the health benefits of making sure that the water that you do drink is like that, as opposed to quote-unquote dead water.

Yeah, and I, I think your assessment of the water molecule idea— and I think all molecules, the whole thing is that all molecules have an ideal angular relationship with the molecules they're attached to. And our cells recognize the molecules that have the natural angular relationship. So in order for a cell to recognize, absorb, assimilate, and utilize some type of nutrient, which H2O is most certainly one of the most important nutrients of all the nutrients, um, or the, the most important, uh, it has to be able to identify the, the molecule, not just the pieces that are present, but that they're arranged with the right relationship. And so yeah, right angle pipes, you know, destroy that stuff. And, and it comes to a big issue because there's a difference between drinking water out of a water bottle and having the cells in your body absorb H2O molecules. You can drink the, the water all day, but the cells getting it is different matter. That's the whole problem. So when you drink water that's got contaminants in it, all you're doing is you're depositing acidic poisonous contaminants into the tissues of the body, the liver and the muscle and etc., fat, fat cells.

Yeah.

And then the H2O is getting excreted out without the cells absorbing any of it. And so you further dehydrate yourself, but you're mentally, you're like, I'm doing great, I'm drinking water.

So yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the structuring of the water can be done many ways. And the technology you were talking about before, the spiralizer, I used to use that for, for many years. There's— I had a different brand, but I'm sure it did the same thing.

Yeah.

And because nature doesn't move at right angles, right? It moves naturally in spirals. But more importantly, the fabric of reality that the elements are emerging out of moves in that same manner. That's why those motions tend to restructure and bring organization to molecules, I think, in general. I mean, magicians walk around a circle, right? Water, we spin it, it gets structured. Like, there's always the idea of like a vortex. Clouds move. And like, you know, if you look at you know, from the sky. You can see tornadoes, tornadoes, yeah, typhoons, uh, you know, all these things move naturally in this manner. So it makes sense to consume the elements the body needs in a way that's aligned with it. And you can do it through vibration on one hand, which is more like direct, and you can do it through the physical process of spinning and stirring the water.

Yeah, even something as simple as giving your cup of water, if you dissolve maybe some salt in it and using a spoon to spin it round and round and round for, you know, a minute straight, that can really make a positive difference. Uh, or even shaking a water bottle so that it spins and so on, so forth. Uh, but to those people that this sounds a little bit out there, uh, there are experiments that, let's say, more science-based, uh, people have done where they look at the effect on blood cells of people that have had the structured water, or for instance, like a bottle of water that's been sitting in a warehouse. And it is— it makes a meaningful difference on the way that the blood cells move in the body because of the electrical charge that the water has or doesn't have. And when you have, uh, this non-structured water with, let's say, a negative electrical potential, the blood cells tend to clump up And if you can think about what happens when blood cells clump up together, uh, then they're not going to move as efficiently throughout the body and through the cells, and that's going to be negative for health. It's the same effect as what grounding does to the body. If you're not grounding yourself, um, to the electrical charge of the earth, then your cells, your blood cells, the water within you, I'm sure as well, will clump up and it's not going to move throughout the body. And that's like really, really impactful on many, many things of health. Hmm.

Absolutely. And furthermore, the work of Dr. Emoto is another dramatic example of the studies of water and its molecular structure and formation and how, you know, seemingly unrelated factors can influence it. If you're not familiar with Dr. Emoto, there's a short little book that summarizes his work. And you can also find some YouTube videos where people are breaking down the ideas. But basically, he did this experiment where he would put a drop of water on a, on a little, you know, flat piece of metal, and he'd lower the temperature in its environment to like 31.9, just, just to the freezing point. And he would have different people from different faiths do different prayers and say different words, and school children. This went on for a very long time, like years. He did a lot of experiments with this stuff, and his images, I think, really speak for themselves. You know, you got people saying things like love and peace and harmony and things of that nature, and you see these beautiful geometries, and you see everything's like very harmonious and balanced, and there's perfect ratios and all that. And then you have people saying things like hate and, you know, despise and wicked and loathe and vile, and you see the formations of the, you know, on this freezing— on the surface of the surface tension of the drop, when it starts to freeze, it would form crystals. You see like distorted, distended, bloated that no geometries, strange angles, very dark looking stuff. So you magnify that many times and you think, wait a second, there's a huge percentage of my mass is water molecules that are constantly responding to that in that manner. And furthermore, environmentally, right, if I'm drinking poisoned water, then I'm like lowering that capability. And if I'm drinking other water, I'm, I'm enhancing it. It kind of goes back to the idea of crystals in general. Crystals have principles that we've been told exist. Now, the culture around crystals nowadays, I think we can say certainly it's predominantly New Age, New Ageism, uh, you know, manifest— oh, use this to manifest that, use that to get rid of that. Okay, there's— where there's that much smoke, there's fire. So if we look to the ancient records in the ancient world, Hermes Trismegistus, um, certainly talks about— yeah, the OG of all OGs talks about crystals and stones. The Jewish tradition, the breastplate is a series of gemstones that's referenced. And there's just countless examples of it across the whole board. So there's something to it. It's kind of like we said about astrology. If the wisest people in history all said this was reasonable, then it's worth looking into with an open mind.

Yeah, for sure. Um, whether or not it's the intention that goes into it. So with the prayer thing, I think it's really interesting to think about is why do people pray over their food? And I think one of the reasons why, whether people are conscious about it or not, is that by putting our hands over our meal or drinks as well you are intentionally putting energy into the water molecules of that food. And because water is what is going to hold the energetic imprint that you are hopefully focusing on the food, and you're practicing gratitude, one of the higher vibrational, uh, emotions and energies you can put out. So you say, I'm so grateful for this food. Thank you that I have this meal to eat. I'm in safety. I'm amongst family. I'm— you know, this is a very powerful thing to do at any point in time, but especially on your food, and visualize like actually putting that energy into the food and water that you drink. And I believe that that is kind of the reason why we see prayer over food and drink in pretty much every major religion.

Yeah, I totally agree with that. And I would even add maybe that there's also probably an element of what praying does to your own internal biochemistry in terms of making you ready to absorb the food by putting you into a more relaxed state. Your nervous system, and you know, it enters a different state. Your body chemistry changes, your body produces different hormones and chemicals when you go into a calm meditative state that usually accompanies prayer. So yeah, I would bet that both sides are relevant.

Yeah, there's, there's always, uh, let's say more philosophical or more esoteric interpretations, but that will always have a correlative effect to the biology of ourselves, which is important to note, which could probably be more measurable by science's yardstick. But, um, I want to circle back to one of the things you mentioned about with the occultists trying to communicate with aspects of the universe. And, um, what that really means at a macro level. And some people would jump to, oh, occultists are trying to communicate with demons and trying to get power through that. And I guess that's one way to do that, but also the fact that energetic imprints or aspects of the universe can exist as angels, or let's say more positive things. On— do those things exist as a real entity Or is it— I read something recently where this particular author was saying that God and Satan, or let's say a saint that he comes across in one of these other realms, or having a religious experience, the saints or the devil can be personifications of their own mind that they create through thinking about these things. And this is why we see different saints from different religions. Like, there will be an aspect of the universe that deals with, let's say, the patron saint of lost things. Like, a Muslim is going to pray to their saint of lost things, and then an Anglo-Saxon English Christian will pray to the same aspect of the universe, but it's going to have a different name based on the personification of their culture they've gone through. So I think that's a really interesting, um, concept in general, if you could speak a little on that.

Yeah, I think it comes to a question of correspondence and correlation. So I think the sages from all the different walks and times are pretty universal on the idea of correspondence, meaning the things that happen above in the heavenly realms are correspondent to the things that happen below. And we can also take that a step further and say the things that happen outside of us on a personal level are correspondent to the things that happen within us, as you know, in terms of psychologically or psycho-emotionally. So, amongst occultists, there is division on this main idea, which is Are entities only aspects of ourself, or are entities external objective beings that have their own autonomy and agency? And I, you know, I don't know that you have to choose one. I don't see why it can't be both of myself. I think there can be external objective things that can be personified in different ways by different people in different cultures. They can have— they can develop a personal understanding of something that is beyond their senses. And I also think that you can have common experiences when people tap into the same radio stations of their internal self across the board as well. Ultimately, if you don't— you can only know this by exploring and trying to figure it out, you know, ultimately. But I think looking at it on both levels at the same time almost always is a powerful thing. If there's an entity out there and it comes to you and it wishes to do something, whether it's of a higher nature or lower nature, if that part of you is under your mastery, or if you have submitted to Christ in such a way that you're dead to your old self, would be another way to say that in a more service-oriented way, then that entity has no purchase. That entity has no purchase. And so if an entity comes in and it takes purchase, you, you can ask yourself, where was that within me? And it allows for this, you know, bifold thing. But I know people, like, personally who have done Goetic, they've done magic that involves the summoning of entities, of demons and things, under the impression that the whole ritual was a metaphor for them accessing parts of their internal self. And all the people I know that have done things like that under those pretenses, which is more than like just one or two, but not a ton. Uh, they all found out. They, they fucked around and they found out. They found out, nope, that's actually not the case. There's external things and they're really real, you know. So take that for what you want.

But, hmm, yeah, interesting. Not something to mess around with either way if you're, uh, interested in that. But, um, there was a— this page that I'm going to send you again just so you have it in front of you. Which you commented on recently when I tweeted about it. Um, this is a page that I found from a book, The Science of White Magic, which sounds, you know, quite out there. But there's this one summary page, it's talking about by their fruits all on earth shall be known, and, uh, it kind of splits what he perceives as in the pursuit of spirituality, uh, the line of darkness or the line of light. And there's two different directions that you can go when you kind of pursue this spiritual path. And I think by their fruits all on earth shall be known— what does that mean? It means that you can look at what other people are doing and also analyze what you yourself are doing in your pursuits and your spiritual actions, and also just physical actions and being a good person. What you are creating and what other people are doing and their effect they have on the world can indicate what kind of path they're on. And obviously, line of darkness, line of light— it seems like we should pursue the line of light in all things. So I wanted to go through this list and talk about some of the concepts that he talks— that he mentions here. Uh, did you have the picture in front of you, Telegram?

Yeah, I got it right here. I love this. When, when I saw you tweet this, I just— I looked over those darkness-light split and I just was like, that's it, that's perfect typification, it's the perfect litmus test. Um, cool, you know, definitely.

Yeah, so let's read the first kind of introduction statements that he has here. Who by thought, feeling, word, action lifts, unites, and frees individuals, groups, nations, races, creeds does the work of God, of light, of Christ. Who by thought, feeling, word, and action lowers, divides, and imprisons individuals, groups, nations, races, and creeds does the work of Satan, of darkness, of Antichrist. So there's obviously a split here, and you don't have to take this, uh, let's say religious view as such, but like believing in Satan, believing in Christ, believing in God, like there is objectively, even if you take that out of it, these concepts, you can say, oh, this would be the what a bad person does and what a good person does, and that has far-reaching effects for your own life, even if you just want to take the religion out of it and all the rest of it. So the line of darkness and line of light, the way this works is it'll be the, the darkness concept and the, I guess, the opposite, um, light concept. So the first one, Antichrist force versus Christ force. What does that mean to you?

Well, I mean, the word Christ there presents us with, you know, a great big thing because that can mean many things to many people, uh, but in the religious sense, we're talking something that takes you towards something that is the path to God or something that is, you know, blocking that path in someone. So you can look at Christ in this context as literally a person who you're meant to worship as deity, as part of Godhead. And then you can look at people who say, no, that's not the case, which is kind of a little binary for me. It's a little black and white. I like a more Taoist perspective of Christ where he's like, you know, if you think of him that way, it's like the manifested Tao, you know, the manifested unmanifest, so to speak, and that which draws you into the material. So Yeah, you know, for Christ's force, I don't like Christ consciousness per se. I think that's kind of new agey also. Um, yeah, I think it's the— when, when we die to our old ways, to our old self, to our lower self, and we walk into that death willingly because we want to, we want to seek the Father, we want to seek God, you know, the God of all things, that's what we're seeking. So we willingly do that. Then I think you It opens up within yourself the ability to connect and understand to what Christ, you know, was a living embodiment of. And that takes root in your heart and it leads you on to further pastures. And when you get ensnared in the world and in the material realm and the things of this world and the senses and the animal nature and the sexual nature and the lower nature, when you're ensnared in that, it's just a blinder. To that which is already kind of extending a hand to you, right?

Exactly. So the next one kind of leads into that— the material path versus the spiritual path. The material path, Line of Darkness, would be trying to pursue the material, the 3D, the physical, uh, over everything else. So you want to increase your material, um, gain. You're only focused on what you yourself can achieve in this, let's say, lower world versus upleveling your spirit and trying to increase your spiritual potential. So there's two different paths you can take. I think we can all, just from observation, we all know what happens when someone raises the material as their god, and they only want to chase profit, they only want to chase, um, sexual, you know, excess, uh, all of those kinds of things, lots of partners, like, that never leads to a good place. If someone has money as the only thing they care about, eventually, like, that leads to a hellish existence. I think that's fairly obvious, uh, to most people. Uh, the next one here: hate for others, love for others. That's the dichotomy.

So let me jump in on the material spiritual path one just just to add a note because it gives a great juxtaposition for this idea, which is that most people also consider that the psychic senses or the development of the intuition or the faculties of the soul— clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, mediumship, prophecy, divination, etc.— they consider those things, seeing auras, as a part of the spiritual path. And in some ways they're right, but I have found that most people tend to replace the god of the material world on their journey towards the godhead that you're pursuing. They get to the level of the psychic senses, which is a very astral lunar kind of thing. And, because it's not physical to their touch, you can't stub your toe on it, they view the focus on that as a transcendence of the material. But, I actually would consider that to be the more sophisticated material trap. So, the pursuit of psychism for its own end. Psychism tends to develop as a natural outgrowth of the perfection or the perfecting process of the self, the refinement of the self, and the seeking towards righteousness and harmony and balance and justice and all those values in life. And so, when you do that and you contemplate very high lofty philosophical spiritually ideas, you tend to develop senses that come about naturally. And the dictum from the sages, again, that I, I'm familiar with is universal, and it is: on that path, ignore those senses. Just literally treat them like an itch on your toe. Just totally ignore it. It's no big deal. It's not fancy. It doesn't mean anything. You're not— you haven't achieved anything. Just keep going. Keep walking. See what's beyond.

Yes.

Most people don't make that leap when they get there because it comes unexpectedly through a substance use or an experience like that. Or they, they practice. You can practice and turn these things on. It's absolutely— it's just that 4, 5, 6,000-year-old science on how to do this. It's written about in many books, but that doesn't necessarily equate with the transcendence of material. I just thought that was a good place to inject that idea.

Yeah, for sure. If you, uh, and I've read similar things, if you pursue those, uh, normal human powers, once you uplevel yourself, like most people— would you say it's true most people can do that with enough practice? They can achieve these kinds of, of, of things?

Yeah, all these and then some. Uh, but you know, you just— you don't want to give that power over to a wild animal because it's like giving a loaded gun to a kid. But yes, I think just about anybody that puts their mind to it can sit in a room and proceed with certain meditative and imaginative techniques and activities with repetition, and they're going to see something happen if they stick with it long enough, right?

So I definitely, you know, I think my intuition, uh, has definitely upleveled to the point, but I'm not seeing auras, I'm not doing anything like that yet. Um, but it's like hearing or seeing, like every human can kind of do it. And for that to be where you stop or where you like think that you're special because of that is where that line of darkness can kind of come hold again and bring the ego back into it, which is something to avoid.

Um, yeah, the greatest clairsentient, uh, expression in my opinion is claircognizance, which is like the sixth sense of the intuition. So we normally categorize the five senses and then we say the intuition is like our sixth sense, or it can be said. And so when you, when you go to clairsentience with, with those five senses You get your clairvoyance and your clairnascence, which is if you can smell things, like everyone, you know, all 5 of those develop, but the intuition also has a higher octave. And that is the sense of claircognizance. Claircognizance is an experience of your own consciousness. So we could say thought, but what I'll say next will mitigate that. It's an experience of your own consciousness that is transcendent of thought, feeling, form, space, time, symbol, object, vocabulary, language, imagery, all of that is completely transcendent of any of the normal modes people are accustomed to thinking. And that includes when their intuition is giving their head words that they know are coming from the intuition. That's, that's, uh, a beautiful compass in, in a terrible storm, you know, to that, to have that developed. That's— and this, the Kabbalistically, we say is like Tiferetic consciousness. So there's the psychic senses are in Yesod, which is at the bottom of the tree, kind of. And then the next circle above, if people are familiar with the Tree of Life glyph, uh, is Tiferet. And that would be kind of the expression of that, that level aspect of consciousness.

And many people are engaging with that power without knowing that that's really what they're doing. Like the, the very typical, uh, oh, mother's intuition, uh, women being more in tune with that naturally than men, is that how does your mom know that she just calls you, she has a bad feeling, tells you not to drive to work that day or something, and then you read about a car crash that was on that highway that you would have been at at that time? Like, I feel like that's a, a common story that people have. Like, that's what that is. It's nothing out of the ordinary, really. Like, it's just people not being cognizant of what that is.

It is. And I think we can add a distinction here among that class and what I was saying in that group where it's like mother's intuition or people knowing not to get on the plane that day or what have you. The difference is, is that one is accessed involuntarily due to a survival instinct which is genetic in the DNA, and one is accessed intentionally at will as a result of the spiritual faculty of will that we possess, right? So that it does change the experience of it depending on which gate you go through to get in there. But ultimately, yes, it is, it is the same thing that we're all familiar with, you know, hearing stories of in many different ways. And probably people that we know have stories like that.

Yeah. So the next concept here, pretty straightforward: hate for others, line of darkness, and then love for others, line of light. And that's, uh, as I said, pretty self-explanatory. If you have hate for others, which can come about as jealousy, or just hating people that are different from you, hating others because, um, of perceived slights that don't really, you know, they don't exist apart from mental machinations in your mind. That will— if you're hating others for that, being a hater, you're going to slowly go down that line of darkness rather than having love for others, which is going to open up your world and your life to much greater things, uh, because you are existing in a state of love rather than a state of hate, which is vibrationally very much more powerful. Uh, I think, you know, everyone can agree with that one. Um, in— involutionary thrust versus evolutionary thrust, um I would imagine that that just means you're either devolving or evolving on this path, which is ultimately what we want to have overall.

Yeah, I think a visual metaphor might be the idea of a driving inwards and a flowering outwards, that the, you know, involutionary-evolutionary also relates to the cycles of the manifestation of consciousness into matter and then its return back. And so the involutionary part of the cycle is when spirit is descending from a high vibrational state down to the physical cosmos. And the evolutionary thrust is when the material expression of consciousness is evolving back up to its own font, its own source. And so it's like this loop that happens. And when you, you know, personalize that, I think you could even maybe say along the lines of like narcissism and empathy, maybe in a way it could also fit as a dichotomy over there.

Yeah, very true. Um, maybe let's— there are a few more that I want to touch on here. Uh, a whole list maybe is a bit excessive, but, um, Sun worship. Sun worship is, uh, considered to be the line of darkness. And then the line of light would be sun worship, S-O-N worship. And for me, obviously I love the sun. When I posted this, people like, well, Sol Brah, you worship the sun, like, are you evil? And I think that there's a distinction here, that you can enjoy the sun and recognize that it's very, very powerful and good for our health and everything, but I'm not doing rituals where I say that the sun is literally God. And I think an expression of this, which would be, uh, how it can lead to this line of darkness, is that— is the Aztecs, when they believe that if they didn't, uh, ritually sacrifice people, that the sun wouldn't rise the next day. So I believe that, again, the sun is an expression of energy that exists in this material world. Uh, so if that's something that you worship externally rather than internally, the sun worship, uh, being— and maybe you can expand a little bit upon this, um, the Son of God, Christ, uh, etc., etc.

Yeah, this is an issue that came up in the Renaissance in a big way because the Church Fathers coming into the Renaissance, they were pursuing a study of technically what we would call today planetary magic, astrological magic, but they were doing so in the context of the idea that God, the omnipotent creator of all things, had assigned the planets as emissaries or as stewards of his will, not that they acted with a will of their own, but they were only, you know, in service to the will of God. And so, looking at the sun as a means through which God, existing on his throne way above the physical cosmos, is able to interface, interact, and submit his directives to the physical cosmos, or the simulation, or whatever, and seeing it as an intermediary that's playing a role, it's got an important role, recognizing that being connected to it in a way that, you know, reflects your understanding of it as such. It's a completely different matter from worshiping it as a sovereign, you know, god.

Yeah.

You know, unto itself. I think that's what you're, what you're saying. And I, I love making that distinction. And people get real touchy about, uh, when you talk about Sun, S-O-N, again, that's kind of like a loaded— that's like the, the Christ thing. So there's a lot that everyone has an idea of this.

Yeah.

You know, and some people would say, you know, you don't worship the sun either, you only worship God. And, you know, so there's like, that's a whole distinction, but easy, easier to say about the sun, S-U-N. Yeah, exactly.

Um, so the last couple of these, downward steps versus upward steps, again, that could be interpreted as expanding rather than going down upon the, the ladder of consciousness. Overall, uh, and then the left-hand path versus the right-hand path. And I think this is an important one to note because you may have heard left-hand path being the dark wizards, the people that use these spiritual powers to increase their own material gain in this world, which is what we see, uh, at a macro level from the people that are trying to you know, the globalist kind of cabal that are trying to enslave and diminish through various political movements. That could be said to, you know, be the left-hand path versus right-hand path, using these spiritual powers that you have developed in order to magnify the positive experience of all other beings on this world.

Yeah, I'd agree with that left-hand path assessment. I think, uh, left-hand path explicitly, you know, is about self-deification. It's about the, the embodiment of the idea that you are the supreme expression of all consciousness because you are the thing through which you're experiencing all of reality. So that de facto puts you on the throne of God. And with that comes the idea that you should use whatever means you can to get whatever you so desire, that your will is the most supreme thing, that emotions like guilt or shame are mere weaknesses, trivialities to be beaten down into submission and eventually, you know, conquered so that you don't care. Whereas someone on the right-hand path is inverted— inverting that model, or is working in it with an inverted version of it. And they're saying the creator of all, which is beyond— behind the veil that I cannot pierce, is the supreme thing, and I live in a state of submission to it so that I can be in service of it to fulfill whatever its will is. And that's more along the lines of Right Hand Path.

Yeah, exactly. And so the, the broad macro perspective of these concepts is that to look towards people, organizations, groups, nations on the whole, uh, societies, governments, and just to judge them— not that we're judging, but just to objectively see what they're contributing to or what they are, what their goals are what their goals are. We can infer from their actions. And individuals, especially if you have or know people that maybe they're saying certain things, but what their— what effects they actually have— maybe they're self-serving, maybe they want to constrict people's freedom, things like that. You know, you can always— by their fruits all on earth shall be known. And I think all these concepts are powerful things that we can use to improve ourselves and just be aware of other people in this world that maybe are not in our best interest. So it's something to, to note, all these things.

I think it's really important for people to have objective yardsticks, even though you can make room for the idea that your yardstick is— may evolve and change as you learn new things and have new experiences and grow deeper in your faith, etc., etc. But to try and operate with the principle that it's best to have some type of objective measure. And if that for you is like the Bible or the Quran and it's simple for you and you're like, the word of God is whatever, okay, great, then you have one. And use it faithfully and use it ruthlessly on yourself and let other people do what they do and use it on yourself. And if it's, you know, a different framework, so be it. But the subjectivism of how I feel and how I think is, is a sneaky self-deification. So many people, we all fall guilty to the trap of making ourselves the god of our world while we think we're being righteous, but actually because it's our thoughts and our feelings that are driving everything we're doing. Like, if you think about how much time and energy you give to how you think and feel, whether it's conscious or unconscious, or a presence with God, the experience of a presence with God most people, those scales are going to be heavy, heavy in one direction. That's it. And that is— that's the danger zone. That's where all the terrible stuff starts to happen from. That's where all the trouble springs from. Uh, yeah, so that's, that's the whole point.

Awesome. So a group that we could probably both agree are deep down the left-hand path, and I know, um, intimately involved with some of the largest social issues going on today, the Sabbatean Frankists. Um, who is this group and what are the kind of carry-on effects from their actions in the world today?

Oh dear, you're gonna get— we're gonna begin, we're gonna be getting letters over here. All right, let's, let's talk about something, Frankists. Okay, um, all right, well, if we're going to do the thing properly, then we have to step back one or two steps and scaffold something up so that it all, you know, had— there's context for it. But basically, in Judaism, there was one particular messianic movement which really destabilized Judaism in some respects, and that was the one that happened 2,000 years ago with Jesus Christ, right, uh, approximately. But the second most significant messianic movement in Judaism, which very few people are aware of, relatively speaking, is the Sabbatean episode. So, there's a man named— if you were non-Jewish and you read his name transliterated to English, you would pronounce it Sabbatai Zevi, but the pronunciation of it, like how he would have said it himself, would be Shabbatai Zvi. So, I happen to have spent a lot of time, you know, studying this guy and reading about him and talking about him with some of my Jewish friends and some rabbis I know. Uh, so I'm going to say Sabbatai Zevi when we talk, so feel free to say it however you like. But so Sabbatai Zevi is a guy who in 1665, turning into 1666, he announced that he was, uh, the Jewish Messiah that had been— that had come to, you know, liberate, you know, the Jews across the world. Uh, and that statement needs a little context. The idea of Messiah, Mashiach, what this means. So, we have to go back a little bit to the context of this. So, this is in the 1600s this is happening, but it's happening as the sort of pinnacle of a movement of Messianic Accelerationism within Judaism. And so, this is what I mean by that. When the Jews were taken into captivity and they were exiled from their homeland, they were exiled twice. And the second time they were exiled, you know, it's written through their prophets that God said, "You're not coming back till Mashiach comes. Like, don't build so much as a hill or a mound, you know, in Israel until Mashiach comes back." And they were sent out in a state called Golus, which is a Yiddish word meaning exile, G-O-L-U-S. So Jews, all Jews in the world live in a state of not just geographical exile, but spiritual exile. And so Jewish history, up until, let's say, about the 1100s into the 1300s, it was— a lot of scholars would call it a dreary period for Jewish intellectual history, Jewish history, because there was a sense that they were in Gaulus, they were in exile, and there was nothing they could do. It's just, that's just what it was. It's like, it sucks, and now we gotta just wait, and it kind of sucks. And so there were several prominent rabbis, and it was actually very small schools of Jewish rabbis and Jewish students that were studying that sparked the flames that led to this movement. So there were two main guys. There's the Arizal, which is a— the Arizal isn't his real name, but it's what he's called by. It's like a title. It means the Holy Lion. And there's also the Baal Shem Tov. He was another guy about 200 years after, I believe, into the 1500s. And these two guys articulated a Jewish spiritual framework that brought back a sense of agency to the Jewish people, that they would be able to help create conditions to accelerate the coming of the Mashiach. And so they were representatives of a school of thought which is called Kabbalah. And within Judaism, there's a lot of viewpoints about whether or not this is a valid tradition or not. Generally speaking, amongst the Orthodox Jews, it's widely accepted, I would say, but there's definitely Orthodox Jews that do not feel that the books that base this tradition are valid. They think they're forgeries and things like this. So, this movement of Kabbalah articulated a spiritual philosophy that gave Jewish people who were studying it an ability to create like a simulation framework of reality with layers and aspects and dimensions, very scientific, like a spiritual type of science. And because they had this articulation of the framework of reality, how the unmanifest Godhead created everything that came after, you know, the unmanifest, then the one thing, and then all the things, they were able to infuse their traditional practices, such as the washing of hands or the cleaning of a table in a certain way, or responsibility to undertake during a religious ceremony or a religious day of celebration. They were able to infuse these acts of worship with a spiritual consciousness that empowered them to feel as if they were helping the Messiah come. This gets to the idea called rectification. So rectification is the responsibility of all Jews. All Jews have a responsibility to do this process called, like, tikkun is what it's called in Hebrew, this process of rectification whereby they release the aspects of creation which are dark and sort of evil that are trapped in the aspects of creation which are of the light, so to speak. So each one undertakes to do this in their own life. And this created a very powerful resurgence, a movement within Judaism of Kabbalism. And this led to an expectation amongst Jews, amongst many Jews, that the stage had been set or was very close to being set for the Mashiach to come. And it created something of a messianic fervor. And so, in the context of this, this is a multi-hundred-year arc that's happening. And there's a lot of other pieces to it, but basically this is going on from like the 1300s when the Zohar was published, arcing all the way into the 1500s when the Baal Shem Tov is articulating advanced Kabbalah, and Isaac Luria, the Da'ar Ezal, is doing the same a little bit earlier, I believe. And so Shabtai Zvi enters the scene in the 1600s, and as a boy, he was like a Torah genius. He was this genius of Torah. Torah, fantastic scholar, uh, and very advanced. And he studied Kabbalah and the Torah and the Talmud and all this at very young ages and like blew through it. And, you know, he's— he was said to have sort of like a manic depression kind of aspect where he would go into these bouts and he would do very strange things. He would go into synagogues and at unusual times and make unusual declarations. And he was just kind of like a strange guy, but he was charismatic, he was relatively handsome, and most people overlooked his idiosyncrasies. Well, he gets hooked up with this guy called Nathan of Gaza, who was from Gaza, like Palestine. And Nathan of Gaza, you know, begins to articulate a vision in which Shabtai Zvi is the Messiah, he's the Mashiach, and he's come to liberate the Jewish people from their yoke. And so Shabtai Zvi grapples with this idea for a period of time, and eventually he He either succumbs to Nathan of Gaza's persuasion, or he becomes a true believer on his own. But he announces that he is the Jewish Messiah. And with this comes a few changes in Judaism. One, the prescriptions against, you know, like the idea that you fast on certain days. Well, that's a rule that's in place because Mashiach is not here. That's a purification that's being done to help the Jewish people stay pure so Mashiach will come. So if Shabtai Zvi is the Mashiach, things like that no longer apply. Now you're able to break Jewish law and do things that are against Jewish law. This is one idea. There's another idea tied up in this, which is that he wasn't the final Mashiach, but he was like the Mashiach meant to usher in the final, the final age. See, the Jews have an idea that every generation there's a Mashiach that's living. You know, in Christianity, when we say Messiah, it's one guy, it's only one guy, and it's only going to be one guy, and it only ever was one guy. But in Judaism, they take the idea of Mashiach on a two-tiered level. There's the Mashiach of the generation that you're living in, and then there's like the Mashiach, the one who's going to come back and put Israel back together and all this kind of stuff, defeat the evil and everything. So Shabtai Zvi kind of like towed the line on this and he said there's a scripture in Torah, or it's in the Talmud, it's in one of their texts, and it says Messiah will only come when everyone is righteous or everyone becomes evil, and he'll come, you know, to straighten things out. Or everyone's righteous, he'll come to reward everyone. So Shabtai's followers, you know, and himself and his inner circle had this idea that, well, you know, there's no way we're going to get everybody to be good, so we may as well encourage everyone to be bad. This is called antinomianism, right? Antinomianism is the idea that you should violate traditional rules, laws, and you shouldn't engage in taboo behavior intentionally. And antinomianism is not unique to Shabtai Zvi or this Jewish, you know, faction that splits off from him. It goes back to various strains of threads of Gnosticism as well. So, like Ophite Gnosticism, which is a much earlier thing, or at least contemporary anyways with early Judaism, ancient Judaism. It also engages in antinomian practices. This includes things like incest, bestiality, pedophilia, wife swapping, consumption of blood, you name it, all manner of perversion, homosexuality, sodomy, all manner of perversion and perversity that you can think of are considered to be sort of like sacraments of antinomian behavior. So Shabtai Zvi starts doing this stuff and he creates a following. Now here's what is going to be hard for people to wrap their heads around, I think, if you're not familiar with this story. The crazy thing is that he got just about 1 million Jews across the world to convert to his articulation of Jewish, you know, theology, to his religion, Sabbatean religion. A million Jews. And he didn't just get like, like poor peasants and things of this nature. He got highly, highly respected rabbis, like rabbis, to, to adopt his, his perspective and acknowledge him as the Mashiach. The magnitude of this is so hard to comprehend because, you know, if you're familiar with Christianity, you think a million people relative to hundreds of millions of Christians— that's not— or billions, whatever it is, it's a lot. The equivalent would be if like a third of all the bishops in the world, and like let's say 25% of the cardinals, and like a third of the everyday Christians all converted to a different version of Christianity that involved antinomian behavior. Not that all Seventh-day Adventists were doing antinomian stuff, but you know, that gets more pronounced later. That's, that's the, the scale of magnitude that we're talking, which is just like almost unfathomable to consider. And it happened like within a year. It went like wildfire. So this has led me to the idea that Shabtai Zvi wasn't just a charismatic leader. He was actually articulating some type of like religious argument, some type of, some type of framework based scripturally in such a way as to persuade so many Jews to recognize his way of doing things. So he converts in 1666. He causes all kinds of trouble for the rabbinim, for the groups of rabbis who were kind of like the politically sort of like overseeing.

What was the year?

1665 into 1666, he announces his conversion, but he had been active for a year or two before that, speaking and doing things. Um, we kind of stepped into it in that in that year into the next. So he ends up going to the Middle East. This is off the top of my head, so some of these details I'd rather not say than say the wrong thing. But he goes to the Middle East and he goes to a sultan and expecting to like let the guy know, hey, I'm the Mashiach, what's up? Like, let me get some land here, my followers, we want to like set up shop because the Jewish brethren are like, kicking my ass out of town, that they're not a big fan of what I'm doing, a bunch of these other guys. But I'm coming here with a bunch of people, like, let's go, let's get something started, you got my back. Well, I don't know if the rabbis who were sort of like against this, you know, got word to this guy first or asked him to do a favor for them, made a deal, or if he just didn't like Shabtai Zvi, but I have my suspicions. But he threatens to kill Shabtai Zvi. He's like, I don't give a crap, I'm gonna kill you. You came here with all that cheek, I'm gonna I'm gonna cut your head off. Or he says, or I'll let you live if you convert to Islam. And this guy that Shabtai Zvi went to funded him with like a very high pension. Like every month he got money to like live and live very comfortably and with lots of access to lots of people and do things and continue kind of being his way. So he does the conversion. So this creates a massive split within Sabbatean groups. Where a bunch of people feel like, shoot, we got tricked, he wasn't the Messiah. But a bunch of people take the idea, take the position that, oh, with this conversion, this is the next sacred— this is like the next step of the Sabbatean religion. Well, the group of followers who also converted into Islam became known as the Danma, which became many influential, uh, you know, Saudi families. Basically. There's like a relationship between the Dunmer and the Royal House of Saud descendants. And this gets into like the Wahhabist factions of Islam. And there's all like— there's all these crazy connections. I'll sound like, uh, I'll sound like a personified Charlie meme from Always Sunny with all the dots if I go into it all. So let's just like— I'm leaving these threads of people like, you can do your own research and check it out. But basically, he goes there and he lives like this. He converts to Islam. So now there's this established thread of like a Kabbalistic sort of like Jewish magician type character with his knowledge base converting into Islam, which is ironic because the Quran is explicit that the Jewish magic is like of the devil, of shaitan, you know, it's like very explicit that that's not, that's no good. But they convert and they take with them this thread, or they begin in their circles this thread of crypto-Judaism. So most people are familiar with crypto-Judaism being a case in which a Jew who's being persecuted will adopt a different faith, uh, ostensibly to avoid persecution, but remain a Jew at heart and protect their Jewish identity and practice in secret. But this kind of crypto-Judaism we're talking about with Shabtai Zvi is a different, is a different animal, right? He's an— he's doing antinomian stuff with his followers and sort of an anti-God perspective in some ways, you could say, uh, and, and then he's pretending to be Islamic. So this is like crypto-Judaism within Islam now happening. Okay, now that story is very interesting, but this is— there's a bridge between this and the connections to like the developing European, um, system and all of that, which is another one more character in the story called Jacob Frank, Jacob Frank. So in Jewish culture and tradition, there is an idea called Gilgul, G-I-L-G-U-L, and this basically means reincarnation. People might be surprised to know that there's like a very strong tradition of the idea that the soul travels in different lifetimes through different bodies, and especially within bloodlines. This is part of, I think, why the commandment to have children is so revered in Jewish tradition, because you're trying to make way for your ancestors to come in, uh, into this world. This is a more, you know, out there idea, but there's lots of very old Jewish mystical texts that relate these ideas, and also just like regular ones that aren't mystical. And so Jacob Frank makes the claim about, say, 60, 70 years later, that he's the reincarnation of Sabbatai Zevi. He's born into a Sabbatean family. Sabbateanism stayed very popular after Sabbatai Zevi died, and in many places throughout the world. Europe, particularly. And so Jacob Frank is raised among Sabbateans, and he ends up going around to a place where sort of the leading Sabbatean, the most popular Sabbatean leader is, and he buddies up with him, and he says, and then he makes the claim that he's the reincarnation of Sabbatai Zevi, and he evolves the Sabbatean methodology and tradition even further than it was with Sabbatai Zvi. And he takes the idea of antinomianism to the limit. This is really where you end up seeing the sort of more perverse behaviors and the wife swapping and the incest and the pedophilia and the beast, you know, all the sodomy and all this stuff. It was all permitted, uh, you know, and allowed. And he writes in his own journal about various matters like this, and there's many historical accounts of scandals where he, you know, someone goes into a room and sees a bunch of stuff and he gets kicked out and all this kind of thing going on. So now Sabbatai Zvi converts to Islam. Jacob Frank, Jewish, he converts to Christianity. So he does this on the one hand as like a, a smoke guard against the trouble that he's getting, to kind of give himself a shield against, um, against the attacks of, of, you know, more traditional Jewish people and Jewish rabbis that are coming at him. And he ends up gaining great favor with a lot of European monarchs and royals. And he builds for himself a very powerful and successful niche. Now, here's a fascinating connection to Judge Louis Brandeis that I discovered very recently in doing some research and confirmed with a Jewish friend of mine who's kind of a historian, a bit of a history buff. But Justice Louis Brandeis is Brandeis's parents were extremely devoted Frankists. They came to America, I think, believe out to Ohio, and they left a Frankist sort of like den, Frankist nest. And they were so close, in fact, that Brandeis's aunt, the sister of his own mother, used to run messages to Jacob Frank when he was in prison from the community that she lived in just outside the prison. And she would literally get on a horse and bring the newspaper, like, regularly, multiple times a week. This was Brandeis's aunt. And Brandeis would go on to make a really famous ruling on privacy protections and search of your personal papers. And he expresses an idea in the ruling, which is that everyone has the right to a spiritual inner life that should not be, you know, able to be pried into or looked into. But the context for this articulation that he makes in his ruling is a direct result or a direct fruit of the fact that he grew up in a Francist family who had this, you know, this crypto practice of being Francist. And he encouraged his mother later on in life to write her memoirs of her experience growing up in this family, and it's written in It's not in English, and it's in an archive in a library in New York. I know someone who did some translation of it, so we've had discussions about it, but I have not translated it myself. But it's all there. She tells all these stories there. It's like, this is like not even a debate. This is— there's no conspiracy here. And there's no— this is like absolutely the case. And that's just a fascinating thread. You know, Frankism really, I think, has had a significant impact in a lot of intellectual circles. In developing ways in the Western world that most people are not aware of because the nature of it is that it's secret, one. Two, it's hard for people to understand. It's like a very distinct cosmology and spiritual expression, religious expression. It's based on a lot of other ideas that most people aren't familiar with. And, you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of overlap there. It's very, very interesting. So anyways, going back to Jacob Frank, So he lives till, I don't know, let's say the 1790s or something like 1792, I think he dies. And his daughter takes over the reins. But here's like the very interesting thing. He founds an organization or he helps found an organization with Adam Weishaupt and Meyer Rothschild in 1792. 1876 called the Bavarian Illuminati. And this was meant to be a secret society of an initiatory structure where you, you go in at a certain level, you learn stuff, and you go up the grades. And this was done like 2 months before the former founding of America in 1776 also. And Washington himself was a Freemason. The plan of this Bavarian Illuminati was to infiltrate Masonic lodges. The writings of Weishaupt, uh, survived. There's a great many books that have quotes from primary sources like newspaper articles and things like this chronicling various factions of this, you know, parts of this story. It's just a remarkable thread. The whole thing's just a remarkable thread. But this Bavarian Illuminati thing is really like the root in the beginning of the idea of like a golden Golden Age of the New World Order, you know, and the modern— when we say Illuminati in the modern context, is they're not, you're not referring to that. But certainly it's a reflection of the, the influence that that movement had on many other things, uh, all across, all across Europe in the intellectual development of the modern world, for sure.

So as you were saying all of that, it's, it seems like there's a thread with religion and interpretations and all the rest of it, that people can get drawn into highly charismatic people declaring themselves as messiahs, leaders, second comings of religious figures, and things like that. So what is really happening with people being drawn into cults or spiritual— spiritually rapt demonic things where the end result is usually something like a mass suicide or a switch to these really, uh, deviant ideologies. Like, yeah, we all need to be evil to— in order to do the next spiritual thing. And it's, it's very related to 'by their fruits they shall know them.' Like, if your religious, uh, group and ideology says you have to start, you know, doing evil things to others, then you know you've lost you've gone down this left-hand path and, and lost really the, uh, good spiritual side of things. So maybe if you could talk about like why people get drawn into cults and how that ideology gets twisted to really serve the 3D physical reality rather than expanding and helping others, if that makes sense.

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. People run on stories, and if we do not supply ourselves with a story, someone else will supply one for us. And there's a great chance that it'll be a story that benefits them and serves them in some way, right? So I think that's really what it comes down to. The story of Messiah is a story of an overcoming of our ultimate limitation. And also of our ultimate weakness. And that's something everybody wants deep down. I think most people, or at least most people, want that deep down. They want to know that death isn't the end, that their low points don't define them, and that anything is possible. And that's the promise of the story of Messiah. And so that's a very compelling story. However, the mind and all of its its machinations and ramifications, right? We did that space last week and I was talking about reason and emotion and memory and imagination and our 5 senses and our intuition and our will and our understanding. And we articulated those 8 pieces in a kind of a mechanistic way and said, if you don't get a hold of these pieces and have mastery over them and integrate them in a certain configuration, a certain scheme, schema, which is, uh, you know, right and just and balanced and harmonious and in proportion, then those pieces are going to run amok. And when they run amok, you fall into all sorts of mental patterns that lead to habits and behaviors and, you know, all sorts of spiritual problems, all sorts of stuff. And so one aspect of this is like shadow work, or facing the the dark parts of yourself, confronting the darkness within yourself is not easy to do. And even amongst people who try, the allure of blaming other people, focusing on external things, focusing on the material is just very great because it's a, it's a salve. It's a temporary salve for sure, but it's a salve nonetheless for, for that pain that you experience when you go into yourself and you, and you face all that stuff. And so anything to get away from that, really, right? Anything to get away from that. And there's plenty of people who, you know, have more of a, like, a reptilian mind where it's just about cause and effect and the ends justify the means. And if I can get away with it, I can do it. That who will prey on people who are either lost in themselves or don't understand themselves or haven't articulated a story for themselves or an aspect of their identity. Other people will just see that as, uh, easy pickings, basically.

Yeah, it's a pattern that seems to repeat itself. And, um, I always go to— how do you— and this is like religious stuff aside— how do you feel when you're around someone? And how do they make you feel? Do they make you feel better about yourself, or do they prey on making you feel worse? Or just the energy that you receive from them. It's like they can be, uh, positively appearing, but that intuitive sense of energy— if you sense something's off, not quite. Like, they can be handsome, they can be attractive, but if something beneath the surface— the surface that you cannot perceive with your eyes— but you know when, you know, for the most part, if you're in tune with yourself, you know when someone's something's not quite right, even if they appear that way. And I think in my own experiences with people that— like, I've been gaslit in a way by some spiritually sounding people that to me it's like, ah, this actually doesn't sound right. But from the outgo, because they were charismatic, or I was just maybe not quite removed enough from the situation to view it, that you play along or you go along with it because you're not quite logically convincing yourself yet, even though that energetic imprint was, um, was noticeable. And really, like, you have to trust yourself because the people that are very, very good at talking can override that sense. And I think tapping into that energy will enable you to like— you really, really, really have to trust yourself. And people get into relationships for the wrong reasons because they don't listen to this or XYZ. And so that, I would say, is probably the best way to avoid people like that who are willing to take advantage of you.

Yeah, and I think it's really easy to trust in yourself and know that trust is well placed when you're ultimately trusting in God for first in all matters. Or, and if you can't articulate or understand or experience what God is to you, because even amongst people who are religious, I think that's not an easy thing to get to, then at least you commit to the process of pursuing an understanding of what God is and developing that relationship so that it becomes an evolving and unfolding process, not, not something necessarily that's like static. But when you do that, then it's really easy to trust the self. But this is not the same trust yourself of the narcissist who, you know, thinks they're, they're the all because they have a good job or they make a lot of money or they have a nice house or they know a lot of stuff about something or like whatever. That's a sort of a hubris which I think always— you always pay for that one way or the other.

Yeah, exactly. So, um, Let's shift gears a little bit. We've got some questions from Soul Club who have asked me to delve into your mind with these concepts. The first up is from Vance. Everyone here should know Vance now. He wanted you to speak about how you guys bent the matrix in Vegas together, and I'm very interested in what that means.

Oh geez, you know, it's so funny. The time, time goes by and like the details. Just, you know, you remember how you felt in the moment, right? But all the particulars, uh, escape you. Um, Vance is doing so great. I, he, I see like his growth with Meraki Blue has been so, so, uh, great to see. And, uh, and his own work on himself, what he's doing physically to prepare for his fights and everything else that I'm not aware of. I saw, I just saw AJ Cortez today, um, tweeted out a methylene blue thing. He's like, what's all this methylene blue stuff I keep hearing about? I want to try it. What do you guys think? I thought that was great. Um, yeah, so we bent the matrix. So we met up in Vegas. I was there working with somebody else and realized he was from there because it was in his bio. So we had linked up through, I think, the Soul Club initially. Yeah. And we met up. I think he had, he had been pursuing a bunch of, you know, spiritually inclined like ideas and ways of thinking, stuff that the way he articulated— I'd hate to get this wrong, but the way he articulated, I think, was that he hadn't necessarily been really open to it in the past. And as he was becoming more open to it, he was seeing more that there, there was more there to see. And so we met up, we met for I think like an early dinner or late lunch, and we, we were discussing basically spiritual cosmology, which is always my favorite thing to talk about with somebody that I meet that's new, because all the conversation is going to stem from the cosmology, like how you view the world, how you view God, how you view your place in the world is going to inform everything else that you're looking at and shade and contextualize. So for me, that's like the richest conversation to have, find out like, hey, what do you think about this stuff? So we're talking about it, and in talking about it, we— I started to articulate certain, you know, sort of like general, I think generally accepted spiritual frameworks and ideas, and in relationship to some personal stuff. And then we just had this like bombardment of wild synchronicities, uh, that it's just very hard to articulate. We— I don't even remember them all. This is the thing. So these experiences, they happen— the more they happen with frequency and constancy, the more you're like, you're in it in the moment, and then it's done and it's gone, and that they all, all, they all fall apart. I literally can only remember one thing, but there was like 8 or 9 of them, um, that happened. He was describing something, and we went downstairs, and I had said something just before that and we looked, and there was a t-shirt that had the very, the very symbolism from his dream in the exact way with the same dimensions that he had described it, but in a context that was what I had been talking about. And it was all married in this t-shirt that had been in this window for who knows how long. And then we were talking about his opponent, who, who— his name is like The Matrix. That's who he was fighting coming up at that point. And how he was like, I'm going to beat The Matrix. Like, this is what we're just talking about. And then right then, that guy's old trainer walked by and like shook Vance's hand on the strip that we were walking down. Just like some guy in a crowd, just like right while we were talking about it. He's like, that was the guy that I was talking about 10 minutes ago. And then I was talking about how this related to an aspect of the cosmology, which involves a triangle shape for whatever reason. And we looked down on the stairs as I said that, or like a second after I said it, we were 3 steps down and there was a paperclip perfectly bent into a triangle shape, like spring-loaded, where you, you bend one end over the other and you can like have it pop on your desk. But it was bent, it was just on the steps in the, in the triangle shape. And we were like, wow, that's crazy. And then there was like 10 other— there was a bunch of other stuff that happened, but it all happened in a super like time crunch manner, which, you know, emphasizes it even more. And, uh, and yeah, so, so we had some conversations after that, but then The craziest thing was, I think the following day, 1 or 2 days later, or it might even have been that night, there was a lightning storm. Now, this is— this was the crazy one. And we got the receipts to prove it. We got the timestamps to prove it. The lightning storm is happening is very, very rare. When I was there, the weather that I experienced was like more rain than they got all year and like 4 massive different, like, cells of, like, crazy lightning storms that were also very rare for the area. And so I'm messaging him, I'm like, what did we do? Oh yeah, it must have been the same day because we're messaging about how like we broke the matrix and laughing about it, and the lightning's happening. We both capture— and this lightning was going on for like an hour and a half, you know, I caught video of it for maybe like 3 or 4 minutes, and I think he took like, you know, 5 or 6 pictures and like video clips of it. We message each other like one particular bolt that we had gotten a little bit later, and I'm looking at him like, that looks It's like the same shape as the bolt I sent him. We checked the timestamps of when we took the video from within our camera rolls, and it was the same minute. So we captured the same lightning bolt at the same time and sent it to each other at the same time, like, you know, unprovoked. Wow. We like, we swapped the messages midstream, and that was a pretty surreal, uh, you know, cherry on top of the whole day.

Yeah, that, that's awesome. Uh, synchronicities are an ever-present thing in my life now these days, uh, whether it's repeating numbers or like you said, uh, they happen more when you're out and about and you're in the chaos of the world that can then align with whatever you're energetically on the path with. And, um, it really is crazy, um, the more you're open to these things, the, the magic the energetic resonance is always going to be higher when you're open to it. Um, and this is why you never really see these things until you at least— okay, like, I'm just gonna look for them. This is something that I recommend people do, is that you look for a sign, you look for a synchronicity. And once you are open to these things happening, you will find that they do happen. And it's an interesting thing that the science logic rationalizer person, which I used to be, isn't going to see these things. And it's, it's a bit of like chicken and the egg. Like, you need to see these things before they happen, uh, you need to— yeah, you need to see evidence of these things before you can believe it. But it's actually the belief that primarily comes first, unless you just get shocked into some complete synchronicity that couldn't possibly, you know, it breaks through that scientific mind. Um, but hypnotism is the same, right? Then like magical workings in general. Um, that same book we were discussing earlier talks about this, is that a, a healer who can improve people's, um, chronic lifestyle, uh, disease, for example, in one moment, um, if they were in a room full of people that weren't going to believe that any of this can happen, they're all thinking, 'Not— nothing's going to happen,' um, that energetic resonance can coagulate and create an environment where, yeah, the stuff isn't going to happen. But if you're in a room of people who are all energetically, like, open to it at least, and willing to produce energy which aligns with these magical frequencies, that miracles can happen. Much more likely for them to actually happen. So it's, it's really, if you don't believe in these things, I think being open to them is really the key that begins. And then like, if you're open to them for a month and you view these things and you look for confirmation, you look for synchronicities and nothing happens, okay, go back to the logic, you know, dull reality where these things don't happen. But I would say that most people, if they give it a chance, see it. And then the evidence is, you know, that is scientific. The evidence is there for them to, in their own life, see these things happening. These magical events that couldn't possibly happen just by coincidence, uh, start to consistently happen. And then that opens you up to a whole lot more. And I guess that's what, um, Vance really experienced in that Vegas trip, um, which is, is really cool.

The quote I was looking up was, there's more in heaven and on earth than in all your philosophies, right? It's just the idea that there's so much that we don't know about how things work and what's possible and what's capable, that the presumption that we have some type of like framework and it's all figured out and that we've got the unified theory of all the things is just preposterous. The humility of not knowing is so much more powerful given how much we don't know.

Yeah, exactly. And science and rationalization will really egoically try to explain everything in the language of the last 100 years of scientific experimentation. And that's treated as, if it's not done by this hypothesis, then it can't be measured. The only instruments that that we have, that we can view things, um, and that's the only possible explanation. But we already know from experiments as well that the, the quantum kind of energy that exists in this world— the observer effect is one of them— is that your observation of something can change the makeup of that, uh, whatever you're observing. And so like the intent and the consciousness of the, uh, scientific experiment itself yourself has an impact, and it shouldn't be that way if science is the only explanation that you have of the world, uh, which is cool.

Very cool.

Um, next question from Sol Brahm: What are practices that you both incorporate to advance yourselves spiritually? Um, how can we help others— friends, relatives— to become conscious of a spiritual realm? Do you want to go first on this?

Yeah, sure. Uh, take the second part first. Uh, the most powerful way to help anyone else become conscious of their spiritual nature and the spiritual realm for themselves is for you to live in it when you're with them. That's it. You know, that's it. Everything else is, is basically black magic. Ultimately, It's all tricks. And of course, if we have, you know, if we're talking with someone, you're having a conversation, you want to be persuasive, you want to articulate your ideas powerfully. Okay, obviously. But ultimately, if you see someone, you're like, "Oh, they're struggling, they need something." It's like, just be in that zone when you're near them. That's gonna give someone more faith than anything you could say 9 times out of 10. And in terms of practices, yeah, I think there's 3 minutes. Funny, I was, and I was just having this conversation a few days ago probably and articulating this idea the way I've said it many times, but it just snapped together so tightly. I was like, oh wow. Yeah, there's like, there's 3 main ideas and then one that ties it all together. There's the practice of developing focus concentration on one thing, whatever it is, just the muscle of being able to concentrate, focus your awareness, your consciousness, your attention. On a singular thing and stay on that singular thing no matter what happens. Two, yeah, is the practice of developing a state of no-thing thinking, like not thinking about it, not concentrating, concentrating on anything, not even the breath, not a candle, not nothing. You want to pure, like, nothing focus. This is a different muscle. And then third is the, uh, imaginative act of visualization, or the hypnotic act of, you know, autosuggestion, self-suggestion, which is when you're providing for yourself stimuli, whether it's like a visual thing or a linguistic thing within yourself that is developing or guiding you in a certain direction, giving you a certain amount of momentum and energy aligned with certain ideas and frameworks. And so these are the three— these are the three main things. It all comes down to these three basic things. You could be only thinking about Christ if you're Christian, but you're still developing a muscle of being focused and having your awareness be on one thing. Um, the no-thing is sort of the meditative side of it. There's contemplative, meditative, and then the, the more creative side is the visualization. The more that you learn about frameworks, cosmologies, systems of approach of invisible matters, the more that you fill your mind with the, the building blocks and the pieces. When you go into those other states, you have more to work with. You know, if you know the geometry of the fabric of spacetime and you can visualize it in your mind, versus if you just go like, all the stuff, I just think of all the things, one of those things is going to be more effective in, in many regards over time because it's, it, you know, your mind is doing something in alignment with with actual energetic structures that are actually existing in reality. So, you know, learning and studying from whatever you think, you know, I wouldn't encourage people to like change their faith or whatever. It's not that, but don't be scared of like reading books and learning about ideas. That's the one hand. Two, focus on something. Three, focus on nothing. Four, have— apply exercises of visualization or give yourself suggestions to make changes or improve yourself. And those are like the building blocks, you know, goes further than that. But I particularly like the, the Kabbalistic Tree of Life glyph. I think that's a wonderful device, but it's not super accessible or approachable for people that don't have some background, right? It relies on a lot of scaffolding.

For sure. I think that's a great summary of it all. For me, advancing myself spiritually has been primarily reading and just expanding my awareness of what the world is, synthesizing all these different perspectives from different authors and, you know, getting deeper and deeper into less available books and more obscure topics. But ultimately, they just open your mind up to what's out there, and then the things that are common will align, um, to come back to these central principles of spirituality, which then, if you apply it to your own life, you will see a betterment of the, let's say, quote-unquote success in terms of your emotional stability, your financial success, uh, the relationships that you have, because you're no longer— or you're improving, uh, your state of existence in in terms of your emotional reactivity. You know, there are books that I've read that introduced the concept of Stoicism, and that was the first boulder that got rolling. And then books later and later on which talks about these other realms other than just the physical reality. And to also just note on, in terms of how do you help others, how do you convince others, it's to first above all practice what you would preach, because there's a lot of people that will preach, but you look at them, they're not actually doing it. And why would anyone listen to someone like that? And, uh, recognizing that the only real— if you want to convince someone, it's like not even spiritual stuff, it's like if someone's fat and weak and their body doesn't look healthy, you're not going to take their advice on a diet. Like, you can just discount that because it doesn't work. But then you see someone that looks vibrant, looks healthy, looks like they're doing the right things with their training because their body reflects it and their health reflects it, then you can say, cool, all right, then that makes sense. And the same is true for the spirituality. If someone's talking all the spirituality-ish and then they're still getting upset on the road rage or, uh, really emotionally reactive to things and still arguing with people and things like that, then no one's going to be convinced that that spiritual advice is worth it. And that, that seems to be a common trap to fall into. Not to mention that when we exhibit these spiritual concepts, the peace that we get from it will impact others, um, energetically, because you're just on a higher level ideally, and that is going to attract people, influence people positively. To the point where many, many times I've had people say that, oh, your energy is just so calming and grounding, and I don't have to say anything. It's just that I'm not, uh, I'm not judging them, I'm not worrying about things, I'm not, um, you know, any of these things which would set my energy off to the lower, lower bands of frequency is, is— I have a fairly good control of that now. So that they feel something that doesn't even have to be expressed in words. And so they're naturally interested in, you know, how can I get that peace or whatever else? And then the conversation is open, the door is open to improving their life. So love it. That's how we think about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it, um, man, there's a whole lot there. Um, I think we're coming past an hour and a half, so I think that's about time to wrap up. Pat Moyes, thank you so much again. Round 2 of the Soulcast. Uh, I am very, very excited to see you in Mexico. Uh, this will come out later today, so there is still time if you guys want to join me and Pat, uh, in Mexico on the Soul Retreat that we're doing January 10th to 14th, uh, on a private villa in the Mexican jungle. We're going to be visiting Mayan ruins. Pat's going to going to be doing lots of spirituality and fitness activities while we're there, then head to— or just leave me a DM, send me a DM, Instagram or Twitter, if you're interested on that trip. We still have a few spots left remaining. Uh, Pat, did you want to mention anything before we wrap this up?

Yeah, sure. It's funny, I was about to say before you mentioned the trip, I was going to be like, Sol, are you telling me I can't have road rage out in Mexico? What does that mean? But yeah, if anybody's interested in any of this stuff, you can reach out to me, just send me a DM, or I have a website, East of Eden Coaching. You can go and drop me a message or shoot me an email. I do a lot of different things with a lot of different people, but I'd say one of the, the main things is people who want to explore sort of these, these frameworks, these cosmologies, these, these threads of history and how they relate to it and bring forward a practice that is both enriching, rewarding, supporting and deepening your personal relationship with God, or maybe looking at difficulties that maybe you've had a spiritual crossroads where you're not sure about some idea, or some idea you used to be sure about has changed, or you feel like, what's going on? Uh, those kinds of conversations I really enjoy having. They're very rewarding for, for everybody. And so if you want to know more about the kind of work that I do, you can, you can check me out on there. You can shoot me a DM. Eastofeatingcoaching is the site, dot com.

Amazing. We'll put those in the show notes. Uh, once again, thank you, and thank you all to the listeners at home. This has been Soulcast.