Ep. 103 A Story You Won't Forget With Rena Romano

Hey there, Mark Brown. Every time you and I start off the unforgettable presentations workshop, one of the first things we do is we tell the Rena Romano story. It is such a great story. And I was thinking about it, like, why not have her on?

Good idea, man.

She is someone who, she's gone to our workshop, she's taken our courses, and she gave a TedX talk and she was so excited and she reached out to me for just a tiny little bit of advice. She was working with a coach, but she had one question and I was thrilled to help her because she's out there impacting lives. And I know sometimes we hear speakers say, I want to change lives. This woman changes lives. You're going to love her story. She is unforgettable. And I can't wait for you to meet Rena Romano.

Let's do this.

Anyone can give a presentation. Few deliver unforgettable presentations. What's the difference? Difference? You're about to find out. Welcome to the Unforgettable presentations podcast with your hosts, world champion speakers and coaches, Mark Brown.

Mark Brown, your life tells a story and there's someone out there who needs to hear it.

And Darren Lacroix. And Darren Lacroix.

Stage time. Stage time. Stage time.

Ready for some powerful presentation. Ahas. Let's dive right in.

All right, Mark Brown, I am so pumped. I think Rena goes deeper. I just think people need to hear her story. So Rena Romano, welcome.

Thank you. Thank you, fellas. Gosh, it's great to see you again, man.

And I'm not over exaggerating. We say you impact lives, you impact them in such an important area, such a deep level, and you have such a positive way to do that. And I love what I've heard some of the event planners had said and why they hired you. And anyway, I am just a huge fan because you're why speakers should be speakers, that it's not about them, it's about what happened, their story, and how they can truly impact somebody else. Mark?

Yeah. And what's cool about your story, Reena, is also. While we understand the value of sharing our stories, your story also tells us how we can really adjust our focus when sometimes we can get distracted in terms of our impact. But it has a very, very, very happy ending. And I can't wait to have a little talk with you today and share some insights, some ideas and hopefully, and I'm being very positive about this, leave with our viewers and listeners some key ideas and some tips on the perspective they can have and the value that they can deliver when they take the platform. Rita, welcome. Welcome, welcome.

Thank you. Thank you, fellas. It's an honor to be here. And I was just thrilled when you reached out and asked me to be here. So, yeah, perspective is very important.

All right, so, Rena, I want to kind of go along this timeline and kind of important. So I don't want to give away things as we go because I think it's important to kind of just know how things fell out. And I appreciate and for everyone listening, Rena is bold enough and loving enough and caring enough to let us tell her truth, which is part of the lesson that we want you to walk away with. But here's a quick timeline. So, Reena, you got booked to give a TEDX talk. So first, just set that up. That. How did you get booked? What was the process? How did that happen?

Well, I tell you what. I had a story to tell. It was, you know, I was driven. I knew what the message was. I just knew that I was going to give a TEDx talk, just like I knew I was going to be on the Oprah Winfrey show years before I knew it in my soul. And I had my message, and I started sending in applications, and this is something I want the audience to know. I probably sent in 10 applications before I was accepted to one. Yeah. Yes. My. My story or didn't fit the theme of their TEDx talk. So that's important to know, too. But when I got the first acceptance, I think that was number 11 application. Two days later, I got accepted for another TEDX talk in Canada. Oh, wow. But I had already agreed to do the first one because it was going to be the same story. So I had to bow out of the other one. I said, but I've got more to talk about.

Yeah. And you just. You just happened to gloss over Oprah. Excuse me. What? Let's. Mark, do your rewind thing.

Hit the bricks.

Right?

Hit the bricks and rewind.

Yep. Well, I manifested Oprah like I manifested my TEDX talk. So it just. I knew I was going to be on her show.

Hmm. And so what did you. What was your subject? I know what your subject is, but tell everyone. And why. What, is it the same subject you're on Oprah for?

Yes. Yes. Well, I am a survivor of incest and sexual assault as an adult, and I am a surthriver and an advocate. Oprah Winfrey. She was my TV mentor. And watching her show and seeing that she is a survivor of incest and sexual assault gave Me the courage to speak out and get help for my abuse. Law of attraction works if you put it in action. I knew that Oprah wasn't going to call me up and say, hey girl, you want to be on my show? No. She would ask, you know, always put it out there. If you have a story to tell, send us an email. So I sent an email to Harpo and lo and behold, I got asked to be on the show.

Wow. When was that?

October 2009.

Wow.

Yeah.

Wow.

And it's just been snowballing since then.

Okay, so you land the TEDx, you're gonna talk about your story and help people like with not just telling your story, but what did you go through? How did you feel? And I think that was important because some of the emails you got after the fact, but you got to the point where I know you said that you get coached, which coaches get the value of having a coach because you can't self coach. So what's your thought on why did you get a coach?

I knew that I had a message to share and I wanted to articulate it so that it hit had the impact that I wanted it to have. Honestly, I didn't realize it is having the impact. I couldn't fathom what's happening now. But I knew that even though I'm a coach, I needed help scripting, I needed help getting that message. On paper, I had the message, but articulating it and fine tuning it and weaving the stories and the research through it, which is important. I need help with that. Coaches hire coaches too.

Coaches hire? Yeah, they're an easy sell because they know they need the help. They see the power of it. And then you reached out to me. September 2017. 2017. And why did you. So you had a coach, why did you reach out to me?

Well, because of the you, the word you and how important it is to, you know, when we talk to the audience. Even though I was going to be on stage and there were 500 people in the stage, I'm literally potentially going to be speaking to millions of people worldwide when you're on the TED TEDx stage. So I wasn't familiar with that. I knew that saying you and this is how you can help instead of you all. And I wanted that. I guess I needed that clarification from you on that, Darren, to put that in there because I was going back and forth with my coach and I'm like, there's not how I've been trained through the world champs.

Well, Darren, good things didn't Come to me in Georgia. I say we say y' all down here.

Yeah, yeah, I get that.

Say all that much. But the funny thing is, on my mobile device, it knows why apostrophe A L L as a preset word. I'm not. I speak truth. Anyway, Darren.

All right, so on December 8, 2017, you delivered the speech you sent. Well, you sent me the email after December 20th, you sent it to me, but you sent me the link and I was excited for you and to watch it and you said your advice worked. I'm proud of this. So what was it like? Because a lot of people dream of being on TEDxStage. What was it like? What was the moment like?

Oh, my goodness. Let me tell you, when they say rehearse, rehearse, rehearse. Stage time. Stage time. Stage time. I went to so many Toastmasters clubs to rehearse my TEDX talk, and there was also a club in the female prison that I had the chance to go and made an impact. But yes, and the story is in the TEDx talk of what happened after practicing my TEDX talk at the female prison. But it's so important to have the stage time to rehearse because a TEDx talk is not like a keynote. I mean, even though you know your stories and your keynote, you know your opening, your closing is so important, but you have to get that TEDX boom timed. It's very important. And nobody knows this now the whole world's going to know. But I was sick as a dog the day I gave my TEDX talk. Wednesday morning, I go to a walk in clinic. I'm like, please help me. I'm giving the talk of my life. I need help. They put me on antibiotics. They give me all these things. And then that Saturday is the big day. We had rehearsals on Friday. My throat was better. I still had a fever. I was still not well, but something was pushing me. God, the universe, whatever you want to call it. I had a story to tell, and I wasn't going to let being sick. What they say the show must go on, right?

Wow. Darren, real quickly, I want to say two things. One, Mark Brown mantra. You know, your life tells a story and there's someone out there who needs to hear it. But number two, here is a Darren Lacroix nugget of wisdom. Rita, Darren declares there is no such thing as a practice speech. And you just told us, our audience and the world that you gave a practice rehearsal in a woman's prison. But the impact was so great, you had to put that into your talk. There's no such thing as a practice speech because any audience at any time can walk away with value, can walk away changed, and they can walk away transformed by what you and I have to offer. There is no such thing as a practice speech. And I'm thrilled that you saw the impact and saw the value in it. So much so it needed sharing.

Darren, I had no idea it would have that impact. And I didn't have that story to tell until after I had that experience.

Do you want to share a little bit of that?

Well, I'd like for them to go watch the talk.

Okay, gotcha. Fair enough. Yeah, go watch the talk.

Healing from sexual abuse can start with one word, but. Well, I will say that our experiences and. Darren, you taught me this. We met. Oh, shoot. I think it was back in 2009 when I started Toastmasters in 2007. But you told me the power of telling the stories and create folder on your desktop or whatever. And I did. Yes, a file. And I obviously didn't know that that prison experience would have the impact that it would until I had that experience. And so it's important to put those stories, file them away. That's a keeper.

And just in case you didn't hear it, to be clear, the title of her talk is Healing from sexual abuse can start with one word. Rena. R E A N Romano. R E N A. R E N A. See, I told you I was dyslexic this morning when I was trying.

That's okay.

All right, so Rena, here's where we kind of get real. Here's where I appreciate your willingness to kind of be open. Because a couple weeks later you called me and you were kind of whining and.

Yeah, I was kinda. I was whining, I was depressed.

People disappointed. Someone else who talked at the same event had 500,000 views. And at that time I think you just had a few hundred.

Yeah, about maybe 250 or something. Yeah. You know, that day. TEDx TED Talk is a day long event and they have anywhere from 10 to 14 different speakers on stage. A fellow from Australia spoke on the stage and I was watching all of. All of the other speakers. One thing I teach my survivors, the number one killer to your confidence is comparing yourself to others. And I was comparing my views of my talk to the others and they were getting hundreds of thousands and I had 200 and some views and I was depressed and I reached out to you, Darren. How do I get my views up? It's so important I need the views. I need more views. And then.

Yeah, so I kind of had to call you off the roof.

Yeah, you talked me off the ledge.

And for everyone, too. I said there's no way that he could get 500,000 views that quickly. Not organically. He probably paid for them. And there's nothing wrong with it except for the fact that you compared your views and were not aware that he was buying his. You know, which anyone can buy views. So sometimes if you see a TEDx talk with hundreds of thousands of views, it might still be horrible. They may have paid for them. So that doesn't mean.

And I didn't know that was a thing.

Yep, absolutely. And then things changed a little while later. And if there's, if I'm missing a gap in the story, but I documented this so well because we use it and I think it's so powerful.

And this is another story and it's going to add to this story. And I have. I'm not going to read the whole email, but a couple of days after I called you, Darren, and talked about not getting the views, I received this email that the TEDx talk was uploaded December 7th or 8th. And I received. And after I contacted you, I received this email. I keep all my testimonials. This was Sunday, December 17th at 2017. Hi, Rena. My name is Male Survivor. You don't know me, but I just finished watching your TEDx talk on the TED tube channel. I am viewer number 272. Your message was incredibly powerful and one that needs to be spread throughout the world. It took incredible courage to get up there on the TED stage and tell your story. Bravo to you. So why am I writing this email? To tell you that whether you knew it or not, you spoke for all of us survivors. You spoke words that I have thought so many times over the past few years. So for that, I just wanted to say thank you and I'm proud of you. And I will leave you with this one last thing. My favorite quote is from the actress Diane Ladd, who said, if I can help one person in this world, then it's enough and I've done my job well, Rena, you've done your job. All the best. Male Survivor. I always cry telling that story. That was viewer 272 and it's not about the views, it's about the thank yous.

Excellent. Wow.

My whole perspective changed and I think now I'm. I'm up to 127, 217,000 views and he's got over Millions, whatever.

Wow. Hard to switch lanes from that. But the other thing that I wanted to point out to people is you then marketed. You were tweeting about your own speech.

Yes.

You were getting the word out there. I think a lot of people think, I'll give a TEDx talk and the world will know and my calendar will be filled. No, you wish. That's fantasy. That's not reality. So maybe could you just give us a little insight into what was your marketing strategy for your own TEDx talk?

Well, my marketing strategy, and I learned this at the National Speakers association, and I can't remember the gentleman's name to give him credit. I went to his class, but it's called news hijacking. And when the Harvey Weinstein, the Bill Cosby, and the Kavanaugh, all of that was coming out and the MeToo movement hit, I was hijacking on articles and people's opinions on Twitter and said, yes, we must make telling safe. And I believe her. And I shortened my URL to my TEDx bit. Ly. Bit. Ly. Renatadx. So I was starting to get the views and the hit. So the Cleveland Rape and Crisis center contacted me. They saw my TedX. I think they saw it off of Twitter. So it's called news hijacking. If your article or your speech pertains to what's going on in today's market, you know what's in the news. Hijack those. Retweet those tweets and put your information in there. So that's what happened. Yes. December 2018, Cleveland Rape and Crisis center called me, asked me what my fee is, if I'm available. I said, let me check. And for April is Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Awareness Month, and they have their yearly fundraiser. Are you available? Yes. And so being the professional speaker that I am, well, how many other speakers are you considering? And they said, we have 12 other survivors that we're considering. I'm like, okay, I'll hear from you in a couple of weeks. Well, a couple of weeks went by. They called and they said, we'd like for you to come and speak at our fundraiser. And I asked, well, what was the contributing factor in hiring me over the other 12? And she said, we love your positivity and your perspective.

I have that, too.

Bam.

And here's what is on the screen. Yeah, here's what. I want to hold up a mirror for other people. A lot of people have been through the same thing. You have, whatever your story is. But we as professionals, we as being passionate and called to be on the platform. It is our positivity and our perspective to tell our story in a way that the audience gets it. And somehow we give them that. Aha. We give them that healing that they need. So I just want to point that out that, hey, other people had their stories, but it was the way you told it. It was the Rina perspective, it was the Reena delivery and your heart that you brought with it that separated you. And that's true. It's true marketing. But at the same time, that's why viral happens. And I love that you care so much about it's going viral to the right people.

Yeah. To piggyback on that thought, we have to understand everyone watching and listening to this as presenters. It's easy when you're emerging to say, I've got this great content, I've got this information, I've got a great story to support my content. It'll wow the audience. But very often a meeting planner or someone who hires a presenter, they've heard similar content before, but they want you, your personality, your perspective and your approach. And you said your positivity and your perspective made a difference to them. They're buying not only the content, they're buying you. And you and I have to present ourselves in a way that they will believe. They'll receive value from what you have to offer. And that way, you're going to beat out 10, 11, 12 other competitors for the position because you are offering something unique. So bear in mind, as great as your content may be, they also want to get your perspective, your point of view, your experience. And that's what would elevate you from being a good speaker to being unforgettable. It'll also elevate you from delivering a speech to giving your audience an experience. You're going to say something, Reina, about that?

Well, yeah. What I'd like to add to that is the main thing that I learned, learned from you, Mark, Darren, the Champs lady and the champs. I learned that it's not about me because the first time I went on stage, I thought it was all about me. And my TEDx talk would not have had the impact that it does had. I made it about me. I made it about the audience. And not only am I getting thank yous from survivors saying thank you, I started counseling after watching your TED TEDx talk, but I'm also hearing from the loved ones and the family members saying, thank you. Now I understand the trauma that my loved one went through and I have a greater understanding of that. So when I took me out of it and made the message the hero. It's the message. It's not us, but it is. How we deliver it is what they're paying for. And I have to brag. The Cleveland Rape and Crisis center has been doing fundraisers for over 45 years. And they took my speech and I had. It was 20 minutes. I had to condense it to 10 minutes. At the last minute, I got my full fee.

Good.

But they had the biggest fundraiser they had ever had and they're 45 years.

Wow.

Now, Darren, real quickly, there's a nugget that blew right by. Very quickly. Arena delivered this talk In December of 2017, almost four years ago at the time of this recording. And you said my TEDx talk wouldn't have had the impact that it does. You didn't say that it did. You said it wouldn't have had the impact that it did. You said it wouldn't have had the impact that it does. Which hit me hard because it's saying four years on, it is still being impactful. And as everyone begins to hear more about it, as time goes by, it will continue to have impact. So one other thought for everyone here, the perspective on what you have to offer in your presentations, don't think of it as, I did this back then and it had impact back then. You want to give your presentations a long shelf life and part of that process is a marketing piece and continuing to deliver value. So I'm glad you said it had the impact that it does. It continues to be impactful. And my wish for everyone watching and listening is that you will become unforgettable and continue to have impact year over year over year over year. Darren.

Yeah. I also love Rena from the marketing side. If we care about our message and we want to get it out there to the right people, dollars follow impact. Dollars follow impact. When you get the impact, the money will come. And I love that you're doing that. And I love that. Not only that, but you. Rena also told me that after you decided I need to reach out to other rape crisis centers and so you started a campaign. Tell us about that.

Yes, I've started a campaign and I am reaching out to them and speaking and doing a lot of webinars. I'm glad you brought that up, Mark. It still does have the impact. Recently I received an email from a young man in Scotland and he says I was suicidal and because of your talk, I got help. Wow.

I gotta ask you, Rena, when you get these emails and these correspondences, what's that do for you? Not for your ego, but I mean, in terms of your original goal. When you look back on I only got 200 views, he got 500. When you look at it now over time with perspective, how does that make you feel in terms of your value, your impact?

That I'm on purpose. I'm finally doing what I'm doing. I'm on purpose and I don't care what other people think. Darren's known me for a long time and I was really afraid to do this, but I have hundreds and thousands of thank yous and messages like that that. I went into counseling after seeing your talk. I was suicidal and I got help. I had a male family member contact me and he and his wife is a survivor and he read my book His Puppet no More. And now they're in counseling together to save their marriage. So your story, you don't know how it's going to impact. If it just touches that one person, healing and recovery is possible. Whether you've been traumatized like that or not, we all have a story that's going to touch someone.

And mark 103 podcasts. This is the first one I teared up on.

Oh, well, I thought. I thought. No, I thought you had sweaty eyeballs.

Allergies. Allergies, yeah, it's just allergies.

Right, Darren?

Yeah, Rena. There's a couple others that you shared with me. A couple others. And I think this is really gets to the heart of the why you're doing it. Is it okay if I share those?

Yes, please. Yeah, go ahead.

And I know you get so many of them, but these are some of the ones that I just are unforgettable to me. This one said, hello, Rena. Those are the words I didn't know I needed to hear. Having the courage to share your story, I can't imagine the strength it's taken to be so open. I've been searching for that same courage, the strength, for the last 10 years. Maybe one day I will find it. Maybe one day sleepless nights will be a thing of the past. But for now, thank you for giving me just a little peace of mind.

I know I had no idea, but I was driven. And that's why I hired a coach, because I needed. My message wasn't about me. It was about the survivors. It was about the loved ones. And that's how we need to look at our stories. How is this going to impact not just those who are in this room, but who are going to see It. Because these are timeless. And, you know, I'm so proud. They uploaded my talk to the TED Talk channel. And yeah, it's. And I. I'm hearing from people from overseas. There's a doctor in psychology. He's using my TEDx Talk to train his therapist. Yeah, I mean, I had no idea. Mark. Darren, it was. It blows my mind. So it's not about the views, it's about the thank yous.

That's right. That's right.

And you also had Dr. Warren Larkin passed on.

Yes.

Oh, that's the one.

He's the one. Dr. Warren Larkin. And we've become friends. And now I'm an ambassador to Scotland's ACEs program. And ACE. ACE stands for adverse Childhood Experiences. And they had me on a panel to speak because I am an. An expert by my experience.

Well, you know, I'm going to go out on a limb and say something that I never dreamt I would say. And I hope Darren will not edit this out, but something just touched my soul just now, and it's this thought. You had no idea of the impact of your presentation. But as I dig deeper in my own heart, I realized when you had to endure the horrific experiences you had, you would not even conceive that someday down the road, you could transform millions. And I want to thank you for the courage it has taken you to do this. And I applaud you for what you have done. And I'm so grateful that lives of individuals and their families have been transformed by your willingness to share the most horrific experiences of your life. And you have our love and respect, Reena. So thank you for that.

Thank you.

And if you were to sit down with someone, let's just say, who went through a traumatic experience like you did, or a different trauma, and you were having coffee with them, what would your advice to be them? If they want to tell their story, what would you tell them?

I would make sure that they've had trauma therapy to get help. And that's the most courageous thing you can do, is ask for help. It's not a sign of weakness. Get help, get healed, get happy is what I like to say. And if they want to tell their story, make sure that they've had the trauma therapy for whatever. I remember being at lady and the Champ, so this was. So I'm aging as fellas.

I'm happy with the green. I'm good.

I heard Ms. Fripp say, don't do your therapy on stage. I was, okay, I'm here. We're having a conversation to Tear up. But you really don't want to do your therapy on stage. You want to get those emotions out. You don't want to start crying. You don't want the audience to be consoling you. Right. So I practiced and practiced telling this story on Oprah through Toastmasters, just wherever I can tell my story. And that's what's important because we don't need the audience to console us. We need to be consoling the audience.

And letting One more time. One more time. That's wisdom.

We don't need the audience consoling us. We need to be consoling the audience and letting them know that there is hope and healing.

Wow. Bam.

And the more I tell my story, the more I heal as well.

That's good.

As we go through this and wind down, Mark is putting together keepers. He writes down the wisdom that you drop to make sure everyone hears it. Meanwhile, while he's gathering that, how would anyone reach out to you? Where could we find you? Social media. What's your website? And again, for everyone listening, go please check out her talk for two purposes. One, you might know someone who needs that message or a family member. And number two, to see how she told that story in a way. And now, of course, everyone is curious about the prison club, so we got that going for us. But as of. And I know it's more now, but as of July 28, it was 215,000 views. So, Rena, how could anyone follow you or reach out to you?

Yes, go to Rena. R E N A Romano. R O M A N o dot com. And basically that's my name on all my social media. Instagram, Twitter, Facebook. Reno Romano. Sir Thriver. I had that word trademarked. Yeah, yeah. And I'm putting together courses for survivors and it's called surthriving after sexual abuse. But I also do TEDx and speech coaching and business presentations. I still. Because I followed in your footsteps, guys.

We couldn't be prouder. You're the reason we do what we do, Rena.

Yeah.

Seriously. Yeah.

And by the way, Darren, as of as of today, as of now, it's 216,752 as of this moment. So heading for a quarter million. And again, I know now, I now know we know the numbers are not what's important. It is the impact. And the impact has far exceeded anything you could imagine. And I believe there's a lesson here for all of us as presenters. Sometimes we don't want to share our dark stories or sometimes we think Our stories are kind of mundane and boring, but we. And I never know the impact even our simplest stories may have on the world. And now 21st century, the world is at our fingertips with technology. We can reach all over the world in a millisecond thanks to the Internet. And a story that may seem trite to us are of no great significance when, when shared internationally can have such far reaching impact. Because you and I never know what an individual's culture or experience may be. And something that we have been through might be exactly what they need to hear at a moment in their life to literally transform not only them but the people in their environment, in their family, in their community and in their corner of the world. So once again, Rena, I just commend you on what you're doing. I think it's amazing and I'm so honored to have played a very Darren, a word for you to have played an infinitesimal part in the success you're now enjoying. Darren has a thing about me and big words, Rena, so I have to.

Go look that one up.

That's all right. I like your big words.

What are your keepers, Mark?

Okay, keepers for every speaker. This is for every speaker here. Coaches hire coaches. Coaches hire coaches. And remember, I'll paraphrase. Comparison kills, right? Comparison kills. To promote yourself, use news hacking and retweet with your information. I like this one. We don't need the audience consoling us. We need to be consoling them. Take out the me, leave in the message. Take out the me, leave in the message. It's not about the views. It's about the thank yous and don't survive surthrive. I was so busy following I couldn't write more. I just enthralled by the story. But I love that one. It isn't about the music, it's about the views. It's about the thank yous and don't just survive Surthrive. And to learn how, follow Reno Romano.

I just channeled Mark Brown here. Take your me and add a sussage.

I love it.

Well, actually if you take me and a sage the wisdom you have the miss sage.

See you made it better write that down. Mark.

Becomes the message.

If I could share one last tip and I share that this with survivors and if they'll notice in my tedx talk and if they read my book his puppet no more. I do not get into dirty details of what happened because I don't want to trigger the audience because a lot of us are Dealing with ptsd. So whether you've had trauma or not, we don't need the dirty details. We need you to set it up so as though we can see what's happening. We can, can smell, we can touch, we can taste. But, but you don't want to trigger the audience. And that's one thing that I do not do. It's not necessary because you can tell the story without triggering someone. Now somebody might, may get triggered and that's, that's out of our control. But be mindful, share the message, not the, not the dirty details.

And I think that's the power of having a coach too. The coach can help guide you to not step on that landmine because a lot of us, well, that's my dirt or that's the horrible. Well, that's your emotional memory, Peg. But this is not about you. This is about telling it in a way which I think in a traumatic situation like this, a coach is critical. Not just it's a plus. It's critical so you don't say the wrong things and hurt people rather than help help people.

And that gave me two more keepers. One is leave the mess out of the message and delete the dirty details. Two more keepers for you.

Well, Rena Romano, thank you for what you do, for what you do for people and the viewers that you never even hear from. And if you're listening to this, please get a coach. Reach out to Rena on her website. Check out mark on getaspeakingcoach.com come to one of our workshops but get some help because your message matters. Because out there listening is Your own viewer number 272. See you next week.

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