Ep. 169 Create an Unforgettable Experience with The Brothers Koren

Hey there, Mark Brown. I saw one of the most amazing experiences. You know, you always talk about, don't make it a speech, make it an experience. I saw the ultimate example of that when I was keynoting in Orlando and I saw these guys come up and oh my goodness, what they did with an audience, just getting them. And I know you love one of their lines, Mark, what's like, like the.

Line that they say, transform from the.

Competitive to the collaborative. So those who would compete now collaborate. And that just really fascinates me. I can't wait to meet these guys.

Yeah. So a little bit of background on the brothers Corin left their home in Australia to follow their wild dream of their mother, her journey to reclaim her voice. She was in the original cast of Hair and felt a calling to go back to the theater. They arrived in New York City in 2001, set out their sights on a vision to become the biggest band in the. They embarked in a 15 year music career as the Kin. Check them out on Spotify, YouTube, find them everywhere. They went from playing empty dive bars to playing in front of millions of people earning a gold record. They played all over the world and opened for bands like Coldplay, Pink, Bon Jovi, Rod Stewart. And what I saw them Mark do with a corporate audience was unforgettable.

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Mark. I went from like keynote speaker to like groupie in a second. I was in their audience and I'll let them explain what they do, but getting the audience to write a song together, to collaborate what they did. And guys, you know, I came up to you after like, oh my gosh, you gotta be on the podcast. But what you did, bringing this audience together. And Mark, you and I have been in front of audiences for 30 years now to get the audience to be encouraged, to be creative and willing to make mistakes like, it was mesmerizing. So, guys, welcome to the podcast.

Ah, Darren, Mark, Darren, Mark.

Thank you.

Thrilled to be with both of you. What a pleasure it's going to be to be in conversation around just this, you know, how to bring experiences, how to bring experiences. Together, but also out of people. So thanks for including us.

Absolutely. Thrilled. Thrilled to have you here. So you guys are rock stars in the music world. And then give us a little background on how you ended up doing what you do, and then we'll talk about how you do it.

Nice. Well, we started out, we're brothers, of course, we have the same parents. And we got into music, though separately, as kids. I kind of fell into realizing I could sing at a young age. And Isaac, about a few years later, in his own way, was asked to sing just out of nowhere. Maybe he'll tell you story. We both got into music, and when our father got remarried, we both met back up and went, what'd you get for dad? And I was like, I got nothing. He was like, me neither. And we're like, what should we do? Oh, wait, what if we wrote him a song? So got together, we harmonized and we went, wow. I think we. We kind of can't not do this together, right? So we met back up in New York because we followed our mother, who had this crazy gut feeling, you know what we can now see, reclaim her voice. She had been in the original Turncaster hair. She'd been in a band with Colin Hay a couple years before Men at work happened. And she then went to look for spiritual teacher in India and became kind of into meditation and sort of left that path and then had three kids. And at this sort of almost out of nowhere feeling, she had this crazy gut to move to New York City while we were still kids, which was obviously quite traumatic at the time. She was blazing this path. And so we both relocated to New York and looked at each other and went, is this when we start, you know, band together? You know, we have to do this right? So we, we stepped into a 15 year career as the kin as a writer producer team called Braves. And we'll take you all the way to when this work started in the world. But a quick overview of what we did. We. We had this intention to become the next biggest band in. We got as close as we possibly could. It was such a dynamic ride. You know, in our experience, We. We just thought success might be a week away. So we thought with our night naivete and conviction, it might just spill forward. But we did go, you know, from little open mics all the way to being Jimmy Iovine's last signing on Interscope and touring the world with, you know, opening for, you know, many people, well over a million people, and got to live out a big part of our dream. And in the shuffle. We have a bit of a classic music industry story where we got a little lost in the shuffle of big executives. We didn't pivot. We actually had this crazy gut feeling of our own, kind of like our mum had. We had this wild feeling, what if we nurture and foster other voices to the forefront, finally move on. This gut feeling we were having which was let's help people tell the stories through song, through the medium of song. Let's invite them back home in their voices and what if we just go out to LA and you know, help create the next big music music artist, you know. So we went out to la, off we went, moved our families and two months into the experience we looked at each other, same day, kid you not and said this isn't it, is it? You've been writing folk up and coming pop people in, you know, insert famous person's writing camp playing the game. Managers A and R producers thinking about might be looking for pop songs that we could write today and they would get them, you know, get it to them hopefully. We just went, this isn't it. Like this is not the heart of the human we're looking for. And so the next day we got in the car together, lost sleep that night, each and said if it's not this, what is it? And I think that's the great question to ask the universe in a breakdown. What is it? You know, I'm listening. And in that moment, literally an hour together, we started to, we just downloaded this whole idea, start to finish. What if we became someone's brothers and with their permission walked from inception along a multi month guided journey that we wish someone had brothered us in. And what if we put together all of the coaching that I'd done. I've been, I've always been kind of a holistic voice coach along the touring ride and Isaac's always been a mentor and a researcher into music. What if we just put it all together like this gauntlet and invited someone in to get to know themselves, to look into the creative reflective mirror of who you know, the life they've walked. And then what if from that vantage point we helped them co create song and only then went into the studio and we got out of the car, we gave it a name and a young artist randomly, two weeks later literally wrote us, paragraph, hey, do you ever and like describe some of the things we'd written down? The rest is history. We said yes of course and went from one developing or up and coming artist to the next. And about five in we Worked with an incredible author and speaker named Justin Michael Williams. And he had had this dream, he had promised his grandmother on her deathbed that he would become an artist. And he found us, we made this album and we looked at each other and went, this is not just for anyone. This is transformational. This could be for anyone. Like a 65 year old mother, a 25 year old banker who wants to do this, to live out a dream that they left on the wayside. This could be for anyone. So we just simply asked ourselves, well, who do we know in the self development world? And you know, the doors flung open, here we are seven years later. We have done up to about 300 private journeys, well over a thousand songs, and for the last three years been building embodied voice programs. And our sights have been set on how many human beings can we call back to the voice that's been awaiting them? Be it melodic spoken. How can we invite them back to. Music was always meant to be a medicinal medium to feel oneself in. And how do we invite them back to recognizing how seriously fascinating they are? Fascinating they are, and how story and song can be that medium for them. So it's been a great seven years. We just feel like we're getting started. So that's a little bit of origination, story of what brought us here passionately.

As guys, the individual level. I mean, we've the other side of our family. Our mother, beautiful hippie, wild mother is one part of the story now. Our father is, you know, comes from a business family. You know, he, you know, as the eldest son, I was meant to do something more, you know, practical and serious perhaps. And so I went to business school, finally came back to music. It was a kind of a healing journey. But went to business school and kind of, you know, took that kind of practical path. Kept getting pulled back to music though, trying to resist that, you know, so bringing this. What we noticed is that if we can boil down these principles around the voice, when we, when we turned around a few years later and saw, well, what is so, you know, what is so shared about this human. What's a human experience that all of these songwriting journeyers are experiencing? And it really kind of boiled down to some basic principles and we've been bringing those to business environments, groups and realized that, you know, our ancestors used music to gather, to cohere, to get together, to bring, bring us together, to unify our differences. And music is that language that precedes language. So it crosses cultural. Well, there's definitely cultural boundaries in music, but music and Our ability to kind of share the space together in music and speak a language is global. So, you know, that's what's so exciting about it, is that music speaks to us in a language that allows us to all be kind of on an equal footing and kind of really in a new space to find new communicative space within organizations, across cultural, corporate structures. And anything really is possible with music we've found in groups. And so music becomes this unforgettable container for an experience as a group.

We found, and I think that's exactly it. We left the private songwriters journey, we started doing groups and we started saying, wait a minute. Like, what would be amazing is what if we brought together people that have never created music together and led them through a new gauntlet that we discovered in a private setting. And we recognized we would really have to set new ways of being together, and it would have to be totally experiential over performative, which we're already doing very much. You know, we have a big, deep, almost rebellious love with reminding people how kind of sick as a culture we are in terms of performance and how anemic and thirsty we are for experience again. And so we thought, well, what if we set these ways of being like willingness, generosity, curiosity. What if we set this radically inclusive collaborative space? And what if we like, wrapped these ways of being around in the arms of this business, even if they were Bricklayers Association? Or what if we went into the driest possible spaces and said, in the next hour we're going to come together and from absolute scratch, we're going to together collectively call in a song that everyone is feeling.

And 95% of the room thought that's impossible. And at the end, they got to experience what teamwork can actually create miracles in a way.

I got two questions for you, Isa. One is, did you or Toral ever have any examples or role models that told you you could do this? Or was it just a brand new idea, brand new paradigm that you wanted to bring to the world?

That's a good question. I think it just naturally evolved from different requests. Like while we were touring, different film producers said, I want to create a song for the end of my movie. And so we'd sit down with them and have a conversation. And once unforgettable about every single human being is that they have this incomparable story. And so when we started hearing these stories, we realized that when someone is authentic, takes their mask off, like Torrel said, gets into an experience over performative and. And shares their story. It's already unforgettable because it's never happened before.

Yeah.

And, you know, if we're curious, that other way of being that Todd mentioned, then we can be really listening, like, you know, deep in our listening. And so we just started learning from these requests. And I think a couple of times we were playing on a stage with this fourth wall, right? Rock band audience projecting their experience onto us, us having an experience of the. Of the night, but feeling a little bit disconnected, probably. And the PA went out. This was in the whole sound system. So we decided to finish the show in the room off the stage with the people without micro mics. And what we experienced in that moment was the power of connection, being with. Leveling the playing field.

Yeah.

Gauging the audience, being with the audience.

So great gift. Yeah.

So that was. That kind of set us on this curious path to really get to know the audience. And I think the songwriter's journey got us the closest, really.

It got us to deepen it. Yeah.

To really get to know the music listener, as if as they are the artist, you know, as artists, as fascinating, as invaluable. And everyone we truly believe, maybe we're crazy, but we believe that everyone is fascinating, and everyone even, or most people have a song in them that wants to come out. And I think our ancestors, you know, of all cultures, knew this about the human being, is that, you know, we all have a song to sing, we all have a voice that's valuable, and we're all incomparable. So by nature, we're all unforgettable. But how do you bring it all together for an experience that people can get off themselves and get into themselves? That's our kind of motto, is like, yeah, how do we get off ourselves with the small voices, the inhibitions, the not good enoughs and all of that stuff, you know, the monkey mind. How do we get off ourselves?

And then.

So the music is this incredible opportunity to leave the boardroom, the conference hall, and get people into another kind of state, a shared state where they can tell their story authentically and it's marvelous. So, yeah, how. To answer your question, it happened naturally and just by different companies and different people inviting us to share a musical experience. And we kept tipping it back onto them and saying, what if we wrote a song about your life? Okay, now, what if we wrote a song with the whole room?

I think that's a good point because to Mark, to add to your question too, but I think underneath our way, our biggest way of being, that we invite people into Is daring to suck.

I love that line. Daring to suck.

Funny. The big songwriter, we learned it from who we kind of didn't stay friends, actually. It's a long story, but I have no idea if this particular gentleman knows. We could only imagine how much we've used this, how much he actually shifted. Taught us in this one moment that we were in this writing session, we. This man. And at the right moment, when I was feeling super stiff and appropriate, I had this idea bubble up that I wanted to add to the verse. And I, like, went to share my idea. My body was like, you know, I inhibited myself. You know, I thought, that's not. That's a. Kind of a crappy idea, you know, that's what my mind said. And he caught me out of the corner of his eye and he, like, looked across and like, he was like, what? What was that? I was like, nothing. And he was like, no, share it. Dare. Dare to suck. Trust me, it's got me far. And we were sitting in his studio that was in it, connected to his house with a platinum, you know, platinum records going up a staircase he built. Yeah, we really were. And he gave us this certain level of permission, and I think that's what daring to suck is. And so to answer your question, we were given the right level of permission. I think we were. We were brought up to. To just give it, you know, our mum would say, you know, let it rip, you know, And I think we, With a certain level of naivete and conviction, we went out into the world, made a bunch of mistakes, and then learned what we can do is dare to suck. We can lean into our edge and we can. When someone comes to us for something, we can say, well, that'd be good. But what if we. And I think we just learned to take that kind of risk that, you know, right where we find what we call Operation Blush, it's right on the edge where your body's saying. And when you investigate why, no, it goes, well, I don't know, it's just scary, Scary, you know, Like. So I think we try to seek out those edges and I think that's how we kind of carve this out. Because I don't think anyone. When we said, let's go do this for 200 people in a room, I think some people would have been like, that's not possible. Right. But we just thought, well, let's see if it is. And so I think that's the kind of. That's the energy we kind of led with to create the anthem I think.

It'S interesting because like you, you started Mark talking about this collaborative versus competitive, right?

Yeah.

And the corporate environment or organizational structures. Often it's implied or assumed that we've got to look good and perform well and know what we're doing and have it all figured out before we open our mouths and like be ready to share.

Right.

There's this kind of an assumption that we're all competing perhaps. And I think an experience that we're really eager to keep providing is like what happens when we turn around and say in this way, in this space, let's try on some new conditions where we're not competing and we're not comparing, you know, can we try that? Even if it's for an hour of our time? Can this groom of people agree to a safe space where people can dare to suck. Practice that game by. By trusting their next creative impulse, whether it's in a sound, in a associations game, with lyrics, you know, lending their creative hand for the group. And even if the person isn't going to say something or open their mouth or share an idea, they're still equally involved. Imagine that where it's not just the person with the idea, it's the person holding a quiet space for the idea to be born in that person. Imagine a space in which everyone owned an equal piece of the intellectual property that was being created.

That's exactly what's happening. Yeah, everyone.

That's what we learned from the LA songwriting room is that even the person sitting on the couch looking at scrolling on Instagram, right. Was making an equal listening and going love that. Right. Is they're part of it. Equal part, right.

Otherwise determined of the, you know, the.

Person, you know, seeing their heart out in the corner. So can we approach a room like that and make everyone feel safe so that we can, you know, whoever's got their antenna up in that moment can channel the greatness, you know, and we, we. The lone wolf kind of mentality is so ingrained in culture. It's like, oh yeah, you know, Carpe DMC's the Day Lone wolf, make your mark. But there's so much that can be done using languages that are pre language like music.

You know, what I love about what you did too is we were at an association. I won't even mention it, but we were at an association. There's all these group and they're more introverted they this group than extroverted. And so what you did so well. And if you have any insights in this because the presenters listening, we want to hear your story. But part of them are thinking, okay, how do I create an experience? Because you did it so well. You created the context at the beginning to let people be comfortable. Maybe not everybody right at the beginning, but enough people to get the process. And if you're listening to this, what they did is they actually had the association. All the members wrote a song together by their direction. So they directed it. You were the orchestra leaders. And because I knew I wrote books, I was in the back and I was like, that's a stupid. I was like, shut up.

Shut up.

But you weren't like that. You made it. You were that person on the sofa. You weren't scrolling, but you were going, mm. And what you got out of people was awesome. Just give us strategy of how do you set the context? How do you know, like, music at the beginning, that's your thing, which is perfect. But what are your strategies or your insights? Do you know how long to go before you start the writing process? But help us understand.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of. That's a beautiful question. I think there's a lot of nuance in the question, but just in a basic sense, Isaac and I believe that the first thing that we must. I mean, music is obviously a magic trick, right? So if it's just. If you're just speaking, I think we'll leave music to the side. Unless you're already using music. But if you're not, you know, I think the greatest magic trick to creating experience over performance is to truly set new conditions where people actually feel like you're with them. Right? And I think a lot of people perform, they're with people. Like, it's a performance, right? It's like, hey, how you feeling tonight? You know, like. Like, can I get an amen? You know, like, whatever that is. Is that how you feeling tonight? Like, you're actually with the people. So I think there's ways to do that, and it's about what kind of space you're holding. I think that's the. The largest one to me. So how we do that specifically is we. We quite literally walk through, like we said before, ways of being that in the next hour. I think also we create a roadmap. We say, in the next hour, we're going to do something that maybe you haven't done before, and we're going to create an environment where everyone's included, right? And all you have to do is this. And so can you. And in our case, it's, can you, you know, firstly invite yourself Home in your body. Can you choose in the next hour to be generous? And then we define that. Can you find one thing in each moment that you like and letting what you don't like be to the wayside? And so we define in action what generosity means to us in the hour. So I think we really map out how to kind of be with us in a time sense. I think we give people a certain level of a road map to something that seems if we didn't, just not tangible, right.

A painting, a possibility, or setting the rules of a game. And a game, half the game, the room might think this game's gonna fail.

Right.

And half the room might go, well, I. We can't let this fail. Right. And it's. It's fun for both. Both sides of the room, right? Because one side gets to be vindicated and the other side gets to be entertained. So, you know, you can experience however you want.

Yeah.

I think if you. You could set that container with anything, with anything. Talking about performance, high performance, anything. You're kind of, you know, setting any game will kind of enroll the audience in a particular kind of frame of work.

That's a nice way to say game. I would say also, we're in every moment looking for the moments to make them needed in the keynote. You know, I don't necessarily think that always is being done. So if you're not using music or a game, like creating a song together, it could be simply saying, okay, sharing a moment and saying, okay, just for this moment, try this on. Close your eyes. And I just want you to conjure up that one time in your childhood where you felt just cozy. Have you got it in your. Have you got it? Okay. Okay. Be with that. How old were you? Like, leading someone into an experience that lasts only three or four minutes, changes it to a game and invites those that are truly ready to say yes to your invitation to be right alongside you. And so I think that gets me to the next point that's obvious to me, which is instead of being kind of assuming people want to be with you in your keynote, how can you invite them and continuously look for their permission? So I just want to invite you to consider this. Right? And I think that's so underrated because Never more than 20, 22 do we need consent, you know, consent for anything in any way. So to invite someone is to. To truly request them powerfully without them feeling pressured. Right. They can be in the back of the room. They've got to be there to get their points because they're at the conference, that's fine. But you might just touch on the heartstrings of someone that just needed you to actually invite them. Right. So that's another way we get. We move from them going, oh, guys that have opened for Pink to, well, this is an experience that I'm going to say yes to, because why wouldn't I? They just asked me, you know, so that. That would be another thing. I think you can do that without song, music or voice. You can do that just with a speech. 100%.

It's amazing watching what the lines that they give you. So for everyone there, they have different ways, but when the suggestions come from the audience, they literally have somebody scribing and writing notes. And then you guys just like, it'll be like, well, that's. Those are good words. And then you guys sing it and it's like, ooh. And you bring it to life. So you're very much orchestrating, but at the same time, it's their ideas. And when they come up with an idea and then you almost receive it and sing it back to them, they will never forget those moments. And I don't expect you to remember me because you hadn't met me before that, but I was in the back row on your right hand side, and there was a woman there who she just. She had an idea, but she didn't want to share it. And I'm kind of like, come on.

Give it up, give it up.

And then once she did, you loved it. And it was just. It was beautiful to like, watch her grow. And then when you acknowledge her and talk to her, she blossomed.

Wow.

Because of that experience that you gave them, but you set the context, you brought it to life. And then at the end, I remember you brought people up to have a chorus and you sang it a couple times, but then you had everyone come up and there was maybe one third of the audience in front of the room looking at and singing the song along with you. And it's almost like a couple people came and then, well, they're going to go. I'll go.

Exactly.

How do you nurture that moment? Because if they don't come up, you're going to be having two or three people and it won't be what it was.

Yeah, it's interesting because sometimes you started off in a room, especially the first question. And hats off to Steve Farber, who really kind of took the time to bring that. That audience to a beautiful place. But, you know, sometimes we show up and there will not be anyone raising their hand. And then usually it's the CEO or someone who will go, all right, well, I better show some leadership. Right. And once the CEO goes and, like, loses face. Right, right. And says, look, it's okay. You're safe to dare to suck, because I just did.

Yeah.

And sometimes it really does require that permission, and it's so amazing. And I love seeing CEOs that have that kind of willingness. But, yeah, sometimes it's that. And. And then once they hear that the, you know, the playing field, you know, the. The whole whatever. The hoop isn't. The bar isn't so high. Yeah.

You know, because people start falling in. You know, it's a snowball, and then.

It'S like everyone's hands are up.

I feel like the bigger. The bigger point here for everyone here as speakers is can you be okay being uncomfortable in that moment? You know, when you're on stage, some rooms are just tough, you know, and you feel the stiffness, you feel the coldness, you feel. You're not sure where it's going to go. And I think Isaac and I thrive when it gets uncomfortable. Like, we actually slow down and say.

Oh, I get this.

This is cool.

A silly excitement look on my face, like, wow, this is actually. When this breaks, you know, this is going to be.

This is going to be amazing.

Like, the longer it takes, in a way, the better.

Yeah.

For the group, because it's going to break. Someone's going to say, I can't let this group fail.

Someone's going to. And they also. People get uncomfortable that it's uncomfortable. And we did learn that by doing some really uncomfortable things in our music career. You know, we went after creating strange things. We created this anti dinner theater piece called Dinner with Thieves. We did this thing called Musical Robbery where we would replicate the beginning of Pulp Fiction where we'd stick up a place for a song, not for money. And we'd do it in, like, diners and, like, really random places, like the Sundance Film Festival and, like, a airport rest area. Like, we just do it in random places to bring music where it was. So we. We sort of developed this way of, like, being okay if it was uncomfortable. So that's one piece. Like, can you just slow down and really just hold the room if it gets uncomfortable, can you be in the discomfort?

I mean, that's a lot, like, huge life, particularly when you're being on your edge and expressing and daring to suck. It's going to feel uncomfortable for most of it. But the release and what's possible on the Other side. You know, some companies sing their company song every month when they gather. And you know what? We, we've heard so many stories of, of the unifying effects of, of a, of a group song that, an anthem that they can carry with them as a, as an asset to their group.

It's beautiful.

And last question for me is this. You said the word anthem just now. Is that deliberately chosen? You want to create the anthem for that particular organization? And I'll tell you why I asked. As presenters, most of us don't create songs that they can remember us by or reinforce their message by. But with that anthem concept, do you have a thought very quickly that you can share with the presenters that can let us know that we too can help an audience feel that much more unified after our presentation?

Oh, my gosh, yeah, absolutely. Well, there's so many ideas here, right? I mean, they're kind of endless. You know, I think leaving someone with an invitation to try something on, whether it be a game you're playing real time, like something in my life, taking them into a story of a pivotal moment from breakdown to breakthrough and something, something that you discovered that you did, and then for a few minutes sort of effortlessly saying, hey, whoever, I invite you to follow with me for the next five minutes as I just give you a taste of this experience. A taste. Inviting people to have a taste of an experience. And even if only half the room joins you, everyone else is watching those have the experience and then circling back to that experience and being like, I invite you in the next week, so over the rest of this conference to X, Y, Z, to take this into the rest of this conference, to take this home with you and please, I would love to hear from you. Please write to me and tell me how that finished. Find a way to complete it and get back in touch with that audience. So it's like leaving these little nugget cycles open. These open cycle invitations. I would say that would be my first answer because I know a song is such a magic trick, but there's so many ways you can model a song in different games and invitations you'd make perfect.

Thank you, Darren and Mark, I've never said this before, but if you're listening to this, go back and listen a second time. There's so much wisdom being dropped. And if you're a presenter and you want to create that experience and Mark and I have some notes on the highlights, but seriously, there's so much you missed some. I promise you missed some. So go back and listen again. And one of the things that I was kind of impressed by as well is you actually go and record this. The song that the company wrote, the organization wrote. You go and actually record it for them after the fact, right?

Mm, we do.

Yeah. Yeah, we do. And we make it so that they can play it on any device and have it listen along, you know, and it is. It's a. It's a beautiful gift that the music brings, which is you can have this actual thing that ends up in the asset side of the company's balance sheet. You know, it's a intellectual property piece that's, you know, either owned by the group or as a proxy. And it's something that has intrinsic. But also potentially companies have licensed it themselves, so kind of saves them on licensing fees, you know, so it has multiple levels of value adding to. To an experience that you give them in real time, you know, that they can continue to. That's so derive benefit and value from.

I was gonna say. And they're probably listening and like their co workers who weren't there, they're like, I wrote that line.

Taking ownership. You know, that's what companies are trying to get their. Their stuff, you know, their members to do is take ownership and gives them a real taste of that.

Also just circle back to, you know, the value of if you don't have a song or if you don't have. You obviously have that book or that product or that invitation, that game, that one other reason that's a gift for them to then share back with you. It's all language of collaboration. And I feel like in the world of presenters and speakers, it's. It's easy. The old paradigm. And this is my take, this is my. This is my assessment. The old paradigm of performance is me and you all versus us. And there's, you know, you come across speakers and presenters that are truly there to be with every single person in that room versus to present to people in that room from stage to audience. And so, you know, circling back to what Isaac brought up, we were passionate about dissolving the stage, you know, years ago. And so when we see a stage that someone built in a hotel conference room, we don't see stage. We just see an opportunity to be down with each person. And I think that you said earlier, just seeing that woman, you know, share an idea and be and blossom, how can you circle every person that is willing to be circled up in that room with what you have to leave? And that. That's collaboration at its finest. There's no competition in that. Doesn't exist because you're more as. You're as important as me speaking.

I just want to. Yes. And you for a moment because you said to get down off the stage and then I was like. But yeah, it's. It's also inviting them onto the stage. Right. Because the stage being that. That center, that microphone, that. Being seen, being heard, being valued. Being reflected.

Reflected.

Being appreciated. Celebrated. Pedestal, you know. Yeah. Or like a platform to. To be seen in it. So, you know, whereas when we get off the stage, no one's on the stage. And that's another experience. But there's also this other thing. Can you invite them, whatever you're presenting onto that stage, make them, you know, make that invitation inclusionary into the outcome. Include them in the outcome.

Thank you, guys. And we have to wrap this up. And I'm so sorry that we do. This is so much fun. We're thrilled. We're going to recap what we got from you in just a second. But meanwhile, look, if you're listening to this and you're an event planner, you're a speaker's bureau, seriously, check out what these guys do and how they do it. Their hearts came through and you could tell they loved on everyone in the audience. But for anyone, how could they find you guys? What's your website? What social media are you on?

Thank you, Darren. So we are at www.brotherskorin.com, of course, and you can find us at the Brotherscorn on Instagram and BrotherSkoren at Facebook. All things there. There's many ways in which you can connect with us and we've never had more avenues for people to reclaim and come home and reconnect re empower to the voice they are. We truly do what we do for anyone that's called to have brothers to do it with, using music, song and voice and anyway, and we hope to see you all out there in different events and company and keynotes. We're looking forward to meeting. Meeting you all. We feel like we're just getting started ourselves. So it's such a pleasure to be with you, both of you and look forward to learning more from both of you as well.

It really is. We have a little reel for Anthem video reel for Anthem, our musical keynote hybrid. We'd love to share through you and have everyone have an opportunity to experience again.

Please check out what these guys are doing. Is K o R e N. Just making sure they know the spelling of it. So, Mark Brown, what do we got for keepers?

A few keepers is a lot. But they didn't really said this, but they said nurture other voices. Help people tell their stories. Look for the heart of the human. Become someone's brother. Become a co creator. Wow. Every human has an incomparable story and everyone has a song within them.

Okay.

Dare to suck. Take risks. Right? Try not competing and not comparing. Give your audience a roadmap for your presentation and invite your audience into the experience of your keynote presentation. Look for moments to make the audience feel needed and you have to be okay in an uncomfortable room. Slow down, hold the room. Leave the audience with an invitation to taste and experience and follow up. Leave those open cycle invitations and don't present to the audience. Be with your audience. Invite your audience onto the stage. Wow. Darren, you finish up?

Yeah, I also got a Create a shared state. A shared state. If you're going to create an experience with your audience, create a shared state. And then what kind of space are you holding? What kind of space are you holding? And I love Isaac, when you said, look, those tough audiences, you got to slow down, stop, hold that space and let it happen. You said, love this when you're creating an experience too. This sounds Mark like Ed Tate. Create a roadmap to painting a possibility. So giving them the roadmap of here's where we're gonna go. So now they're not shocked. They have a little understanding. Might not be totally clear, but now they get where they're going, which is super helpful. And I love Mark. Continuously look for permission. Continuously look for permission. And then of course, in the unforgettable words of mom, let it rip. All right guys, thank you for being with us so much. Just a thrill. Glad to be a part of your journey and hope we can help spread the word about what you're doing and how you're doing it. Mark Brown, thank you so much.

Thank you all so much guys. You will help our our listeners, our community and our world go from good to great and you continue to be unforgettable.

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