Ep. 66 Your Family's Treasure

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Hey there, Mark Brown. This is being recorded the day before Thanksgiving. Hope you have a great holiday. If you're not from the U.S. we hope you have great holidays no matter what it is that you celebrate. And Mark, this is just a huge opportunity to find more treasure. Stories from our family that a maybe we take for granted because we talk about them every holiday and then put them away, and then we talk about them next holiday and put him away. But we forget that those stories can be treasures, gold for us helping our audience.

And no doubt what we may think is mundane, I always say, could be treasure for somebody else. And if we look at some of these stories, these experiences, these holidays, these family get togethers, there's always someone telling a story. There's always someone making us laugh. And chances are if we share those stories and share those laughs and share our family's treasures, we'll connect and become that. That much more unforgettable.

Anyone can give a presentation. Few deliver unforgettable presentations. What's the difference? You're about to find out. Welcome to the Unforgettable Presentations podcasts with your hosts, world champion speakers and coaches, Mark Brown. Mark Brown.

Your life tells a story, and there's someone out there who needs to hear it.

And Darren Lacroix. And Darren Lacroix.

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Hey there, Mark. It's holiday time. It's family time. And by the way, we don't just mean your exact blood relative, families, your friends, those people that you hold close, those stories from today, from yesterday, or from yester. Yester. Yesteryear.

Nice.

Yesterday, Yesterday. Yesteryear. You know, I often tell people a great way to practice your stories is with family. Not only that, what happens is we tell stories.

You think about any holiday, any kind.

Of celebration could be Oktoberfest, it could be July 4th in the USA, it.

Could be Canada Day.

Wherever you are in the world, you have holidays, you have celebrations, and chances are stories do come out. What we don't realize is sometimes those stories contain treasures. And when we open that treasure box up and share it with an audience, it's like giving them gold rubies and precious stones.

So the question is, are you ready?

Are you willing to share your family treasures with your audiences who may not know who you are, but by hearing these stories, they get a better connection to you. They feel more related to you, and that's really what you want. Don't you agree, Darren?

Yeah. And I think one of the challenges for presenters is they go to a family function and they kind of put their presentation hat over here, and now their family hat is on, and so their brains aren't trying to look. What we always teach is capture what captures you. So we don't even think about it because these are the stories that we tell. Every year, it's the same one. It's the impression my brother does of my grandfather that cracks up the whole family, have this way of saying something would happen. He loved watching wrestling when it was obviously, well, it's still fake. It's wrestling. But my grandfather, greatest guy in the world, and this was just the one thing that he watched. And he would just be watching, and he would just be so connected. That was my grandfather, which is, wow. Like, that's how. That's the. That's my impression of my brother doing the impression of my grandfather. But the whole family can remember that and relate. And, Mark, I think this is one of the reasons it's a treasure to our family, and one of the reasons it's a treasure to you as a presenter is the fact that it's so relatable. And so the treasure goes deep into your audience's heart and connects you more deeply because they can relate to the emotion of their father, their grandfather, their mother, whatever that situation is, good or bad. If you were raised in an abusive household, there might be a story that somebody in your audience, like you always say, mark, you have a story in, somebody needs to hear it. So there's that transformation that happens, but it starts with that connection, and there's just so much treasure. And around these holidays, Mark and I wanted to dedicate this podcast to truly be Thanksgiving for those, treasure those stories, but remind you that those stories can help you connect and transform your audience.

You're so right, Darren, you said, you know, we as presenters often go to a family event.

We put our presenter hat aside.

And I have, you know, I've encountered.

People who say, look, I don't want to discuss my family. That's personal, that's private. And I know when it's personal, it's important. But I go back to what our dear friend Michael Hague, storymaster, says. The purpose of a story is to elicit emotion. And where else can you find emotion in your family? As you said, Darren, there are different emotions. It could be sorrow, it could be happiness. It could be pure elation. It could be just wow, as your grandfather would say. But I think about my family at Thanksgiving and some of the stories I remember time we have Spent together. And I will point out this one fact.

You know, being Jamaican, I did not.

Have a Thanksgiving experience with my parents growing up. I came to a country where they had this thing called Thanksgiving. I've grown to appreciate it over the last 40 years. And one of the cool stories for me was Thanksgiving is about my princess, my daughter Andreen, who got married this past August. And I, of course, was privileged to be the officiant at the wedding, which is kind of cool. But she had told me years ago when she was then available and dating different gentlemen, she said, you know, I tell anybody I date, I tell them this. If we get serious, get one thing straight at Thanksgiving, I'm going to my mom and dad's house for Thanksgiving every holiday.

If you're not cool with that, we.

Can just end it right here. I'm like, wow, she's serious. Well, five years ago, she and Roland got together, and she told Roland the same thing. Thanksgiving, I'm going to my mom's house. That's what I do every year. If you can't handle that, sorry. He said, I'm with you. Five years later, they're now married for a couple of months. And as I record this right now, I'm not in my usual workspace because she's there doing something, and Roland is also here. They are here together. She has held good on that promise. Now, it's a simple story, Darren, about my daughter and her commitment to being with family on Thanksgiving. But you could take a story like that and say, what can it teach us about commitment to family? What's important to us about Roland's commitment to her? Because of her convictions, you can do so many different things in a story. So think about this. Your story may be simple, not really a big deal to you, but you can mine those stories. As Darren, you see, if you go wide, what's there? What can that share with us? What can that tell us? The story of your grandfather and your brother imitating him. Come on. How many of us imitate our parents or our grandparents? I am often made fun of by my kids and they call me Pops. I could tell you story after story, but you get the idea. Holidays, you get together, you remember stories, you have good times. Those stories could be gold family treasures that you can share with your audiences.

Yeah, Mark, that story that you just told, now, this is us just telling a story. This isn't rehearsed. It's just, Mark, this is like a story to capture. And then you take it home and you're like, yeah, I can Work with this. Yes. This makes that point that I'm trying to make. You could make a point of, what are your deal breakers? You know, what are your deal breakers? And then do you stick to them? You were inspired by your daughter. So however we use them right now, the focus of this episode is just to get your antenna up over the holidays that, hey, there are golden treasures that are all around you if you capture them. So please capture them. Work on them next. That's step two. This is about step one. There's so many stories, and I think, Mark, one of the things as a introvert, I'm even an introvert around my own family. Unless I'm on stage or there's a live mic in front of me, that's when I go into.

You break out.

But here's what I learned. When we think about our parents, our grandparents, our kids, one of the most powerful gifts that we can give them is asking questions and sincerely listening to, just letting them go. Letting them tell their story and being heard has such a power. It's the greatest gift. And so I have to even catch myself, because this is the first Thanksgiving I have not been home in a decade with my family, with my mom and dad, and we talk about them. My mom and dad have been married now 65 years. They still hold hands. It's adorable. But I don't know how long I'll have them. We made a choice. I made a choice that I'm gonna go home for Christmas and hopefully we'll get through this craziness during Thanksgiving. But I realize I have to catch myself, Mark, and I have to, like, force myself to think of. What are those questions I could ask, you know, that right time during the meal, or this year, if you're doing a zoom, call that right open space, where it's just your opportunity. So, Mark, you'll love this. The power is in the prompting. The power is in the prompting. I gotta force myself. Not like it's hard. It's just, like, a different way. Here's one of the questions I could ask my mom or dad about growing up or what was it like growing up for them? What were the things they remembered? What were the stories they remembered? And I don't remember exactly when this came up, but in one of those conversations, I found out that my grandparents were both adopted. I knew my grandmother was. I didn't realize my grandfather was on my dad's side, but they were both adopted, and they grew up in a household that they were never told. I love you. And I, you Know me growing up with June and Ward Cleaver, I can't imagine that. And then finding out that my dad was never told I love you because his parents didn't know that. They weren't prompted to do that. So they didn't know any better. Even though they loved him and he was loved, don't get me wrong. But they never said I love you. It was not a thing they did. And my mother, who grew up with my Polish grandparents, they were all over that family love, saying it, affection, da, da, da. Then I realized the story kind of came together, that my mom had to train my dad how to say I love you. And so my dad's still a little uncomfortable with it here and there, but I know he does. I've never, ever questioned that. When I created your hero's Journey, one of the keynotes for our event, our annual event, game changers, then called lady and the Champs, I had that opening story, and I told a story of my grandfather. And then the closing story, I had my mom and dad, who my mom broke the chain. It became an open and a close to a keynote. Well, had I not prompted and just asked questions and listened? You know, learning about my dad when he was in the army and all of those things from youth. One of the other things at a holiday function I learned, I think it was like two years ago, is when I grew up, I'm a super finicky eater. Like, nobody wants me at their house. Hyper finicky. Unless we go to a restaurant, I can order what I want. That's just. I've always been that way. And so we were just talking about growing up and franks and beans. We had franks and beans every week. And I love them. They're a simple food. They were one of my favorites. And I found out that the reason we had franks and beans is because that's all my parents could afford. So once a week, we had to have that meal because it was a very inexpensive meal. I loved it. That was great. But it just helped me to know. But again, prompt your family, your parents, your grandparents, if you still have them around, they have stories that unless you prompt them, they're not going to tell. And just listening to them, hey, maybe you never use it in a presentation, but I guarantee you it's a gift for them to tell you and for you to listen and enjoy.

I think one of the saddest truths I've come to accept, and maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps it's the sphere of my experience, Darren. But so often in North American culture. I've noticed that the elders in our families often end up in a nursing home or something and there's treasure and gold in their life experience. We don't sit with them and mind them before they get to that place, have a conversation, talk to dad, talk to grandpa. What was their life like? How does their life compare now in the 21st century with the world of the Internet going crazy with pandemic? What have they been through that they could talk about? You know, and so many people will say, well, I wasn't, but I was. I was growing up. It was during civil rights or the anti Vietnam War movement. And their perspective was different. You know, I have a client who went to Berkeley during the middle, in the 60s, you know what, and talked about what it was like having to see these protests. We don't realize also we read about things in history that they may have lived through and we never even asked about it. And like, whoa, what wealth of knowledge and experience might be there? And that hit me last year, Darren, around Thanksgiving when we had Kofi, an exchange student from Ghana who would come to live with us for a year. And I don't remember exactly how 911 came up. He revealed to us that 911 is something he read about in history on the Internet because he wasn't alive in 2001. Now we had been through it, you know, we kind of know what it's like. We saw travel chains and all speakers and travelers. But it occurred to me, for this 17 year old boy, that's actually something he has to read about on the Internet or watch a documentary. And I live through it. And how many experiences have you had that you've lived through that maybe your nephews or nieces or your children only read about in history is a chance to share those stories with them and to get their perspective. Similarly is a chance to ask an older uncle, a father, a grandfather or mother what their experience was like. And what it does personally is it broadens our understanding of our family history, but it also gives us opportunity to share our new perspectives with our audiences that we may face by simply sharing some of the stories that we have gleaned from the people in our very, very midst. And I don't know about your family, Darren, but very often there's somebody in the family who is always happy to tell a story or tell a joke, remember the time when. And they keep going. And some of those stories can be wonderfully applied to our audiences if we're just willing enough to use them. And I will say One more thing. You talked about asking questions. My kids got here on Saturday, so it's been four or five days. And a couple of days ago, we're in the kitchen just kind of hanging out, and a question came up that ended up with me talking to my kids about my wife and me being a world champion and me being a celebrity. And for the longest while, Andrea was Mark's wife. And it was like, wow. It finally hit me that I was getting all the accolades. I was the speaker. I was the guy who does music. I was the guy. And she was quietly being known as Mark's wife. Until we moved to Macon, Georgia, in 06, we knew nobody.

We went to a church.

She got involved. People loved her. And for the first time in my life, and I rejoiced at this, I became known as Andrea's husband. Woo. But that all came out, Darren, because we had a conversation with the kids at the kitchen table, and they asked about our relationship. It's moments like these which I feel free to share them now, but maybe somebody is thinking in their own lives right now. I've worked hard. I've done well. I've been recognized. What about my husband or my wife or my partner who have quietly been on the sides just supporting me all this time? And that could be a story you could share with your audience to talk about the power of partnership, of relationship appreciation. There's so many ways you can go wide with that, but the key is to identify the potential of one story from your life.

So, Mark, I think this is also a great opportunity for people who are, let's just say, unfunny. Like me.

Like me.

And by the way, check out our episode about the unfunny for sure. You'll appreciate that. But if we think about it, at holidays, we retell those funny stories and we have that funny uncle or that funny kid or that funny cousin. Well, how cool would it be is if you listen to how they tell it and get permission maybe from them to use that story. It's already made for you. It's 90% of the way done. You just have to figure out the point and then you have to own it for your own personal delivery style. So be on the lookout for when you laugh with your friends and family these holidays that you say, oh, what made me laugh? And take note, capture it. Just write it down. You can think about it and go through it later on and recall it and go deeper and see what you can do with it, but just write it down. Oh, we laughed about Grandma Cutting the strawberries over the sink. You know, when I think of my grandmother, that's how I see her. She was always cooking, always baking, always gardening. And I can still see her arthritis knuckles with the paring knife, scooping out. And like that's the image. And it was just pure love serving her family. And so what is that imagery that helps you tell that story as well? So there's just so much there. So there's an opportunity for funny as well, if we are aware of what we laugh at. And what can you do with that?

You know, Darren, you mentioned that I want to stress that point about seeing the funny. You told me years ago that you got a little laugh your first time and you thought it was I gotta laugh. And you've been teaching our members for the longest while. You want to look at a reaction. Any reaction tells you, aha, I made a connection. And as you were talking about your grandma and the strawberries and the way her thumb moves over the sink, it occurred to me that also during holiday seasons, most of us have family traditions, things that we do. You know, my kids come at Christmas, they come back at Christmas, they come back at Christmas a month later. But we have to watch Home Alone and A Christmas Story on video. We gotta go Amazon prime or Netflix or whatever or dvd. We have to watch that. We bring board game, we have family game night. We have family walk where we literally leave the house and we go and we walk the neighborhood together. We laugh, we have fun, we caught up, we have reminiscences, we tell stories. Yes, these are precious family moments. But what about your family moments, your game nights, your movie nights, your family walk or activity for me, I did a post on Facebook two days ago. My daughter came in on Saturday and on Sunday she had me on my back deck working out to the Orange theory in home workout video on YouTube. Her husband Roland took pictures. She put it on Instagram and I posted it and I posted November 2019. My Princess Andrine got me started with Orange Theory and here we are one year later. She's holding me accountable. It's something that we do together at the holiday time. Think about what you do as activities, traditions and what that means. I could take that little 15 second story of my daughter and me doing Orange Siri workout together to talk about the daddy daughter relationship, the time we spend together. There's so many ways I can go wide. All I have to do, as Darren says, is capture it first and then work on it. And then you're gonna find the true golden Treasure in your family stories, the humorous moments, the family traditions, the game night, the video night, whatever it is that you do. And you'll also find favorite recipes. What it's like, who asks? My son always gets apple pie, My son in law always gets certain kind of brownies. And my wife is an amazing cook and baker. Just ask Darren. But I look at all of these as I'm talking to you now, I'm thinking about, wow, we do all these different things during the holiday season and that's gold. Her love for her children. She makes specialized meals for each one. What do you do for each of your kids or your uncles or your Mark?

It could even be what do you do for each of your clients?

Exactly. Customize. I love that. That's wonderful. See, trust me, friends, we aren't rehearsing this. We're just talking about this and what we're doing right now, what we're asking you to do, you look at the story. How can I apply to my client? Some people send personalized cards or a certain gift or a certain takeaway. That's how you let your client know you care. So you can apply the personal stories from the family treasures to your business as well. If you just find a way to use it first of all, capture it, mine it, and then you can go wide later.

Couple of questions, Mark, that we could give people to think about. Now, whatever questions you think are appropriate or you think would unlock something, go for it, right? However, let's give you a few promptings for your prompting. I know, like asking your mom or your dad what was your first job or who was your favorite boss in their work. Now, it doesn't obviously doesn't have to be about work. What was their favorite activity as a family when they were young? Even asking your kids, you know, you know your life with your kids, Mark. But if you ask them about one of their favorite moments, they're gonna surprise you with something you didn't even remember. But to them, it was emotional and it was memorable, which goes with being unforgettable. So asking your kids or your parents, who is it that made them laugh when they were young? You know, I know from my mom and dad, one of my uncles, he just cracks them up, he just has this way with them. My uncle Ralphie, my cousin Ralphie, their uncle. And it's just those things, those people, those characters that are just so rich in your family. And it pains me that I don't even tap into them as much as I should. So for all of us, I think they're there. Mark, what other questions could we ask either kids or parents or other adults?

I think of Christmas, and I can't ask my mom or my dad this question because they're both gone. But I didn't think time to ask. What was special about Christmas for you? What was the first Christmas for you when you had us as kids? What was that like? What was your best memory before kids and after kids?

Kids?

What were your family traditions? You could ask questions about that. Do you remember when we had that favorite vacation? The one time we went to wherever it was as a special holiday treat? What made you choose that location? Little questions like that. Regarding their childhood. What was your favorite holiday and why?

Right.

What did you learn from your family that kept your family together? What was the glue that kept your family together during difficult times? I never think to ask those questions. But, you know, if you ask some simple questions about what they liked, who they were, who they had relationships with, what was. Darren, let me ask you this. You been around for a while. You were in New England. You're now in Las Vegas. What was Christmas or Thanksgiving like traditionally for you in your neighborhood where you live, lived. Was there. Was there lights and, you know, pumpkins? And what was it like for you at that time of the year when you were growing up?

The outside, you know, grew up in New England. And every household when my grandparents lived four doors down from us. So we would walk there, and you would see the chimneys and the smoke because everyone had fireplaces to help keep their heating bills down. And so walking up there, but walking in, in just the smell of my grandmother's cooking and chocolate cream pie and chocolate roll. Oh, my goodness.

Wait, hang on.

You know, I just.

It just occurred to me first for a second when you mentioned that you created the visual and also the olfactory, the senses. I'm wondering, what'd that smell like? That was pretty cool, man.

It's pretty cool.

And here is my favorite part, like one of my favorite parts. Walking into my grandmother's house. And my mom has two sisters who are twins. They're not twins to my mom, but they're twins. But they have this infectious laugh that it's in harmony when those two laugh. It's like, woof, woof, woof. And you can't not laugh. And so laughter filled the household. You know, that was to me. But these are, you know, what questions could this prompt you to prompt them? And then we got to do that Boston thing. Mark, ask the question. And then.

It'S called shut up. How do you say, I'm sorry, I'm Jamaican. I don't know the Boston thing, but I can pronounce the letter R though. Just kidding, Darren. Just kidding.

And I gotta give my sister some credit too. When my grandparents were older and we knew we didn't know how long we'd have them, she actually sat down and interviewed them with a recorder, with permission, of course, to capture them telling their stories, to be able to pass it on to my nephews or to other people in the family. So you might even consider doing that and just see if they're open to the idea, because that could be a true family treasure for you to pass down. Because it's one thing for you to retell a story, it's another thing if we hear them tell the story. Passing that through the years.

Now, I must add a caveat here. I realize we're going a little deep in terms of family and personal and there may be some stories you do not wish to share. We're not saying you must share everything exactly. Because some stories from my family stay close to my heart and I won't share those unless I feel really, truly prompted in a given circumstance to share it. And that's fine. But what we're saying is there are so many more stories from our families. If we begin to mine them, we're going to find the goal that works for different audiences at different times. And some you'll hide in your heart, and that's fine. But some can be shared and I believe some should be shared. And just this exercise today of recording this podcast has brought to mind in my own experience my conversations I had this week with my wife and my daughter and my son in law or my wife and son. And I went for a walk, just the three of us, earlier this week and some conversations there about parenting and what it's like. First kid, how scared we were. There's no manual for your friends. And he was. And Joe began to ask us questions about that and he said, oh son, we would go to doctor every single day. I see this, I see that, Mrs. Brown, it's gonna be fine. And then the second kid comes along like, eh, been here, done that. And we laugh about it, but he was asking us questions during this walk while we're here for a family celebration. Please, friends, do not discount the value of time spent having these conversations. And I wanna reinforce what Darren said. The interview need not be intimidating and you may keep much of it for personal archives and tradition. But think about this. In so many cultures, the story and the history is passed down from generation to generation. We have a wonderful opportunity with our virtual presentations, our position of speakers. We can reach the world with some of these stories. And some of these stories have touched us from other people's lives in the Chicken Soup series way back when. We don't need to rewrite that. We can share our stories, we can uncover our family's treasures, we can touch and move our audiences, and we can really, really lift people up, especially in a time when we all need to.

Be lifted up and brought together.

Amen to that.

Yeah. And Mark, one of the things you said too, which I want to emphasize is you don't have to use them on stage. We're not saying that. But if you find or uncover, let's say, 10 stories, write them down. There's eight of them. Maybe you don't want to, maybe they don't make a point. Maybe it's just special to you and that's cool. But those other two, those could be gold. And Mark, what I would love people to see as a professional presenter, professional storyteller, if you will, that what made those stories stand out to you. And is it not everything we've been teaching? If you've been following our podcast, even though those stories, you might not use them. It's a lesson. Why was that unforgettable? You know, was it the imagery? Was it the characters, was it the conflict? It's all the things we teach that just got you to write that one down. So you can use it as a self homework, if you will, a self study on what made this story stand out and, and realize those elements that we teach, that Michael Hague teaches that Kendra hall teaches that Donald Miller teaches, like those are real and gold. But now when you look at it and pick apart some of your own stories, you'll realize it's exactly what we've been teaching for years.

And here's another cool thing. I know we're kind of in Thanksgiving.

Mode here right now in North America, actually in usa. But think about this. You have other celebrations, family get togethers, a 30th, a 50th wedding anniversary. Could be Christmas or some other celebration. I urge you, I encourage you to think back over previous such holidays. Go back five years, 10 years, go back to the first one you remember.

And why do you remember that?

What made that memorable. And there may be a lesson there, it may even be a tradition that has been fall into the wayside. You want to resurrect and restart because the triggering the memory showed you a value that you didn't see 20 years ago. You were less mature, you have more life experience now. And that 20 year old experience takes on a brand new life and a brand new meaning, not just for you, but for your family and maybe for your audience as well. So don't just think in the now. Think back. Mind the stories of your family and loved ones and you may see your family has treasures that can and should be shared.

Yes. And if you choose to be a presenter, or you have to be a presenter for work, or you're a pastor that gets to present from the pulpit, consider the wisdom from my dad when I told him I wanted to become a comedian. And it was crazy. It was so fun, far out of my comfort zone. And my dad said, I don't care what you want to be, just be the best. So if you choose to be a presenter, use those family treasures even as a self story study from your own life. Remember, the power is in the prompting. Ask those questions when you're with family, either a zoom call or if you're live, awesome, even cooler. But take those time to ask those questions. It could be the greatest gift that you give your family.

And Darren, real quickly, you just mentioned a zoom call. And I've come to find that so many families now do FaceTimes. They do Zoom calls or they do Microsoft Teams calls, but they're staying connected now through online media. And sometimes the online media itself has some funny stories. It's that thing on and we can laugh about that. But these stories are treasures that you have for your heart that you can share. And you know what, Darin, I don't know when it's going to happen, but maybe, maybe somebody who's listening to this podcast or watching this video at some point in time, they'll say, yes, I got it. I've got a story to tell. I'm so happy I did this. I'm so happy I mind my own life. I'm so happy I had that family connection and now I can share this with the world. And I can't wait to hear from you, you from your unforgettable stories.

And if you're listening to this, taking those stories and doing something with it, you got to check out the coaching episode we did Last week, episode 65 with Denise Merrick. She has this story she's been telling for years, but we literally coached her. So we're starting to do some coaching episodes where you hear a professional, not an emerging presenter, somebody who's out there doing it. We take their core stories and show them how to make it better. And if you want to join us, Mark and I have a Get Coach to speak two day virtual event coming up. December 2nd and 3rd, depending on what year you're listening this to.

That's 2020, by the way, in 2020.

So if you're listening to this and it's past the dates, just go to stagetime workshops.com stagetimeworkshops.com and you'll see the most current schedule of the different programs we have coming up. So we'd love to have you join us. Hey, we do this podcast. It's a labor of love. It's also helping people and getting people know about how to be unforgettable. Hope you love this episode on Just talk about the family treasures, those stories that are already around you. But we're here to give you that presence of mind that capture them, study them as to why they're unforgettable. And then maybe you come up with 10. Make it a goal to come up with 10 ideas of what you could use. And then maybe there's one or two that you do go deeper in and you do use. Mark Brown, take us home.

Hey friends, wherever you may be, it.

May be holiday time or not with your family. Enjoy each other, find the gold and.

Unleash your treasures to be unforgettable.

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