Episode 110 - Recording Your Voice Is The Vehicle For Discovering Your Authentic Self

So cool. We are officially live. So for anyone that is not on with us live and you're seeing the recording, I wanted to just, first of all, welcome you all to the do the thing, find your voice expert panel. I am, like, so excited about this challenge because this came from me starting to do the do the thing, start a podcast challenge. And you guys remember, many of the people that are on this expert panel were also on that panel. And I was moving in momentum and creating this challenge. And actually, honestly, that challenge is almost finished. And then while I was in the middle of creating it, I had set up, like, three or four people on these, like, beta podcasts. And it was going well. Like, one of them is going really well. A few of the others are just sort of, like, moving. But I could just tell there was something going on with, like, them getting in their head too much and not in their heart. And so I just was, like, trying to think, what could I do to help get them more in their heart? And then I thought about all of the other people in this community that weren't ready to join the start a podcast challenge. Even though there was so much interest, both from people in the community and then also outside the community, there was, like, a bunch of people that were just not like, I don't want to start a podcast. Like, that's not what I want, Stacy. And rather than me be crazy, like, I felt like I was getting going, you have to start a podcast. I took a vacation and I went to Europe with my daughter. I had some space from it, which was, like, great for me, because then I realized that you could get a lot of the same benefits that I was saying about having a podcast from the do the thing, find your voice challenge from merely having a challenge. So in the example of the podcast and the benefits from that, the podcast is the vehicle. And then in the benefits of this do the thing, find your voice challenge, the challenge is the vehicle. And so some of you are going to want to continue on and do the start a podcast challenge when that starts, because that still is going to happen. And then others of you will just want to do this 17 day do the thing, find your voice challenge. So here we are. I asked experts to join me to explain this to you guys about how great this would be. I have not really given them much context. That's what I love about the experts that I work with. It's like they're just like that. I give them the idea of what I'm doing, and then. And then they just get it. They just get the idea of, like, what it is. And so let me just introduce the people that are here with us today. So we have Betsy Paik. I was just telling her before the.

Before we got on live about how I've, like, I just listened to her podcast episode this morning, and I feel like we're, like, so in sync with, like, the things that she talks about. And she's an NLP coach, but she coaches people to be coaches. And so she also has a podcast, and she does so many other things. Speaker, author, all that great stuff. So I'm so excited to have her here. And then I have Kate Middleton here, who's a somatic therapist and an authentic relating facilitator. Actually went to a few of her live authentic relating trainings. One with my boyfriend, one without. And it was just amazing to see her work and create space for people and help them find their voice really in such a meaningful way. And we've been working together for the last year. And I mentioned this before, she just had a baby.

So we have, like, baby love in the room. So I'm, like, feeling the. I'm feeling this new. This new thing going on. I'm excited. And then we have Dr. Nancy D', Andrade, who you guys are very familiar with. I've had her on a lot, and she's my personal holistic coach, and she's retired psychologist and just is really good at getting you to get aligned with your true self and bringing the best out of you so you could move in any direction that you want. And then we have Gregory Benedict, who we cross paths for a totally perfect purpose. Like, when I met him, he's the president of one of the Toastmaster clubs that I'm involved with. And he said something which I'm most likely going to make you read, repeat it, because you say it so much better than me, but I won't even say what it is. We'll save it for this. But he said something so powerful that just made everything open up in my life and just align in a different way. And the way that he's able to articulate the way that he's feeling about things and help people move is. Is really good. And he's also a transformational coach. He works with companies and employees to help them also bring out the best in them. And he also has a podcast as well called Dare to Dream. So. And then we have Niyama Shang, who we crossed paths recently as well. And I just love the way that he's able to speak to how your Differences make such an impact in the world. And, you know, because a lot people, when they're different or unique or they have different abilities, they might look at it as being a negative. Right. But to actually be able to, like, use that as your power and your gift to the world, to me is like. It's like, there's so much beauty, and there's so much strength in that. And so I'm just so glad you guys are here, and thank you so much for, like, just understanding my need to pivot with this thing. And now we're creating this new thing, you know, while we still have the other thing not having been done yet, but I think you totally got it. And so that was my first thing. I just wanted thank you guys for being here, and. Hello.

I just. I just feel like you. We are in a playground, and you're like, let's try the slide now, and let's try the swings.

And we're all like, yes, let's go.

Let's try different things. And with you, it's so much fun, always.

It's so funny that you just said that. I just finished a podcast interview, like, literally 10 minutes before I got on the zoom, and she literally wrote that down. Life is a playground. And I was like, I love that. That's weird. That is so funny. It's true, right? Like, it's just so fun to be able to. Yeah. To see, like. So that's the thing, right? And I think. Gregory. Okay, I'm gonna make you do the mask thing now. Can you do you mind? For anyone that hadn't heard your. Your episode with me and my episode with you and then the expert panel, because I know that there's people that don't hear everything. Why don't you go ahead and start with that?

I would love to. I'll apologize for anyone who has heard this too many times, but I believe what you're alluding to, Stacy, is a personal experience I had that speaks to this greater truth that a lot of people can relate to, in that a lot of us, myself, previously included, went through most of my life wearing a mask. It was the mask of who I thought other people wanted me to be, the mask of what I thought success looked like. And it wasn't until I had the courage to take off that mask and start living my true, authentic self that things in my life started to flow, and I started to meet the right people, the right opportunities came into my life, and the catalyst for me taking off that mask, because it's not easy. We get Very comfortable behind the mask. The catalyst was research from this woman named Bronnie Ware, who worked as a palliative care nurse. She worked with people at the end of their life, and she found that not only do people have serious regrets at the end of their life, everyone has the same regrets. And she compiled them into a book called the Top five Regrets of the Dying. And the number one regret people have at the end of their life is, I wish I would have had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expect of me. And again, when I heard that, it punched me in the face, because I realized, wow, like, my whole life right now, my job, my friends, my image is all based on the life others expect of me. It's not what I want to do. It's not what really lights me up and gets me out of bed in the morning. And so I realized I needed to take off that mask. And again, just speaking to the magic that happened, once I did that, it was that it was as if I was. The mask was manifesting the life that fit the mask, which wasn't what I wanted. And when I took off the mask, I started to manifest the life that was true to me and true to myself. And I feel like that really speaks to the theme of today, of finding your voice is sharing your authentic voice, talking about the weird passions you have, and fully embracing your own uniqueness to bring your full self and give the world the gift of yourself.

Yeah, and I think that, you know, it's funny, I think I referenced that as I was pivoting, you know, and creating this bridge between the startup podcast challenge and then doing this Find a Voice challenge, because the old me might have said, oh, I've already told people I'm doing this already. At the date, I had everything done, you know, and I would have had this, like, thing, but there just was, like, a pull, you know, that I could just feel that it wasn't. It wasn't right yet, and it wasn't, and it like. And I think because I'm not wearing a mask and I'm true to myself, and it just. So I felt like I almost, like, learned a lot about myself through this process that literally, like, I am following, like, my flow and where I'm at. So. So I just. I just think that's, like, the perfect way to kind of start this, is for you guys to hear that. And honestly, Gregory, I think I could hear you say that, like, 100 times, and I wouldn't get bored of it, because I think it is such a powerful, like, statement, you know. And then, Kate, I love you were one of the first ones I messaged when I was like, okay, is this crazy? And me doing this find a voice challenge, I'd love you to share and I don't know if you remember exactly what you said, so feel free to just say it now. But like, what your thoughts are now of us having this bridge for people to find their voice through just a more simpler way, not having to, to do, you know, something else.

Yeah, great. I have no idea what I said originally, so let's start fresh.

But I, I love this idea because to me it, it really is more playful and exploratory. This finding your voice, the, the podcast I think is amazing and might come a few steps down the line once, once you've had the opportunity to, to get a little messy and to try out different things and to find literally your own tone, your own sound, your own volume and how you want to show up in that way. And I will add in because of my current life experience, right now I.

Have a three week old baby and.

She is literally learning to find her voice. And I was thinking of this from a developmental perspective and from a somatic perspective that the process of finding the voice, it is one of just making sounds and screaming or cooing and seeing what kind of a response that you get from hearing your own voice and from others responding to it. So I've been thinking that this is a perfect opportunity for, for yes, tools and practices, but also for just going back to your organic intelligence, your bodily knowing of, of feeling from the inside what your voice is to you.

Yeah, and I'm really glad you said that because the finding your voice challenge also is going to be. And actually, sorry, let something because Niam and I have talked about this where like the really cool thing about being able to say things out loud and say things with other people is you're literally co creating it as it happens. And so I had just done an exit interview with Chrissy Palmer, who's in the group on the dating challenge, and it was amazing. We were able to talk about the find your voice challenge and I realized it's, it is about finding your voice and the volume and what, how you want to speak to the world, but it's also about really finding your inner voice. And you know, in. The more that I've been speaking it out loud and talking to people, the more I've been really.

I've been really grasping this idea of, by saying things out loud and Being able to activate, you know, something that may be suppressed for so long. Actually, the interview I was talking to this morning, she was talking about being married for 35 years and how she suppressed things that she couldn't say in her marriage, you know, and so by using this challenge, it's. By just finally releasing all of that stuff. And for anyone listening, that might be like, why don't want to share that stuff? You don't. That's the cool thing about finding a voice challenge. No one has to hear it. You literally. And I'm actually doing it this week because I'm refining my voice right now, which. It's weird. I don't know if you guys have seen this, but, like, I've already become an expert at becoming finding my voice. And right now I'm got a few things going on that are sensitive that I feel like I don't have my voice again. And so now I'm, like, using the skills that, like, I'm teaching again. But it's working, which is great. And I think there's something. There's something at play that's like, you know, making me have to go through this again.

But anyway, I literally have message after message, you know, on my phone to myself. And so that. And I will most likely delete them all. I don't think I'll ever share any of these because it's just me expressing. Some of them are inventing voice notes, you know, some of them are dreams, you know, and it's just. Anyway, so that's just. That's just that. And so, Betsy, I love to hear from you, because I was listening to your podcast this morning, and you spoke a lot about that noise from, like, everyone else, you know, and, like, how sometimes you just want to, like, block out the noise and, like, your strategies for that. And I know you talk about journaling, and this is another form of journaling, you know, where it's like. Instead of. So let me give you guys an example. I'm going to be giving them. It's going to be 17 days. Every day they're going to get a dare. And that dare is going to be basically like a prompt. And a prompt could be like, record a venting voice note. One of them is actually let your inner Karen out.

You know, in the voice note, you know, and then there's going to be other stuff, too, like, what's your dream day? And what do you hope for yourself? So it's just going to be all different kinds of things, but I'd love to hear from You. Because I liked the way you were able to talk about and feel free to. It doesn't have to be. Exactly. And totally putting you guys on the spot with, like, tell me the exact thing that you said that resonated with me. But. Yeah, like what? That when you get to clear out the other people's voices and being able to hear yourself, you know, that type of thing.

Yeah. I always think of this as, like, having a moment where I have an intention to listen in to myself. And I think that that moment of saying my intention right now is to do this, to make it clear. And I like to imagine that Betsy, the version of you that you know as Betsy. Right. That. That version of me that's really been created by, like, my parents, hopes and dreams and their values and their beliefs for my life and what my teachers thought and all of those people that were important to me. I take that version of Betsy, and I like to just imagine that I put her in another room and I. And I just shut the door. You know, I can go back and visit if I need to, but I just shut the door. And then what am I left with? That feeling of what I'm left with. And I like to use the sound. I call it an organic sound, but usually it's the dishwasher. And I don't think that really classifies it as organic, but, like, in my environment, a sound, and I just concentrate on that sound. And then I notice, like, what comes up, you know, what is this?

What is left?

And sometimes it's like a. A really great thought. Right. Something that really helps guide me, a solution to a problem. Right. And sometimes it's something that I kind of recall from my past or something that has. Is a stumbling block I wasn't aware of. And when I get that story, I go, oh, like, there's my gift from this time of sitting with myself to say this story from Betsy that's in the other room. It's stopping you from hearing me all the time. And then later on, I can heal that story. Right. But I think it's just a matter of having an intention to separate this personality of you, you. To this thing of you that is like your soul. And this. This deeper part, that's how it shows up for me.

Something that. That started coming up as everybody was sharing was.

When we were growing up, most of us were not really heard. It was more like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. Or like, quiet kids are not to be seen or heard. A lot of Us develop with not our. Our voice is not really being heard, not even by ourselves. And I like the idea of you recording because what you're doing is witnessing yourself. You don't have to have someone else witness your emotions and witness what you're experiencing. You are witnessing yourself, and that's strong enough. And the more that you witness yourself and the more that you listen to yourself and the more you hold that for yourself, the more your intuition starts kicking in. Actually, the more you start listening to that inner voice, the intuition, and you start trusting that more because you're not listening to outside of you or feedback. You're listening to inside. And so part of doing this challenge is in finding your own voice. You're also finding the truth inside of you. The guidance that, you know, the North Star, and that will guide you to the outcome. You know, if it's finding the perfect partner or, you know, the business or the flow or connection or whatever it is, I think that that's a great step to start, you know, finding your voice for sure. Yeah.

And I. What's coming alive for me is with the witnessing yourself is a lot of people don't have that skill to be someone's witness. Kate, I'm using your language, you know, to like, hold space for someone, you know, like, so if you're venting or you're doing something or even your dream, you're telling them your dream, there's going to be some feedback that you're getting from them. But when you're just doing it into your phone, it's like those thoughts are all yours. You're not taking anyone else's. And I'm not saying, like, it's not fine to share with other people. It is fine, but it's like there's something really true when you. When you push record. And Niyama, this is kind of feeling like. Because I know you talk about this idea of just push record. Like, what do you think the power of that is? Because, yes, they could speak it out loud, right? But there's something about, like, pressing record that makes you, like, talk more.

Yeah, I'll speak to that, I think. And then there's something else that. That needs to come out for me. I can feel it right now. I think the thing, the first thing right now, I'm very much in a place of, like, what I call, like, the. The ownership axiom, which is like, everything that you've ever done in life and ever will do has value. It's like it's up to you to take that in and to create and to make something with that. I think that there's something about, like, hitting the aspect of record that also shows, like, hey, what it is that comes out of me is not just a ramble. It's not a throwaway. It's not something like, it's valuable. It may not. I may not know what I will do with it later on. It may not be something that I can see exactly where it needs to go. I may not even like it. I write it. It has the value for this moment, and I know that I did it. I've journaled it. And then, like, like you said, Stacy, like, I'm probably just delete all of it, right? But the value that it had was in that moment. And I think that there's. There's something in that space of just like, acknowledging to yourself and treating legitimately everything that you do say, think as valuable and as worthy and. And as it has worth. That to me is what the. What record, like, really represents in that. In that phase. I'm going to go along with this here because there's something that. There are two things you said that really, like, stuck with me throughout this conversation. I realized I'm like, oh, I need to get out my head here. So let me get that out. The first one here is, like, when I thought about. When I. When I heard about, like, the find your voice challenge, what came to me was this one word that. That came in, which was like, free your voice for your voice. And I feel like. I feel like there's. There's. It kind of speaks to, like, Nancy, like, the internal versus external, like, looking outside for, like, where's my voice? I'm looking for it. Where could it be? Is it in this corner of the zoom thing? Or it's like, no, actually, it's your voice. You have it, right? What's the difference here? The difference here for me is, like, are you going to allow that voice to come in? Gregory, you're talking about the mask. It's like, it's not like you didn't have a face. It's just that you didn't free your face to be seen. You know, it's. And that, to me, is where, like, the voice comes in. It's like, how can you allow yourself to simply just do it, like, without having to do, like, you're doing the thing because you're allowing the thing to happen. Stacy, this is one of the reasons I said yes to this, right? It's not because, oh, we were doing a. The. The podcast challenge. Now we're doing this. It's like, just how free is Stacy to just say, like, this is where my voice needs to be. This is where people like, this is what they need. This is what people are wanting to listen to, is what they want to hear. I'm gonna go with that all the time, you know, And. And there's just something very natural about that that just. I also feel just like, removes the pressure. It's like, ah, okay. Like, there's nothing extra to do. All I got to do is just get out of my way and just say it and deal with the discomfort of, like, my nervous system going off and being like, well, they. How did they respond? And just be like, you know what? It wasn't my job to be in their head to tell them how to respond. My job is just to let it out. And then eventually I might learn how to let it out in different ways and help them be able to be able to come in and be able to receive it. But, like, right now, just allowing it to come out, I'm just free in what's there. So that's. That's something that's like, really playing out for me in this conversation. I'm going to try and practice it myself as this conversation goes along.

And I can see that too, when people are journaling, you know, when they say Dear Diary, it's as if, like, the diary is witnessing them, but the moment that they put it in paper, it's out of their brain. It's out of their. The ether and into something tangible, something that they can actually mirror and see, like, oh, wow, okay. And you can organize it better. It makes a lot more sense once it's out of your brain, you know, I agree with that.

I love the free your voice. I think that's. That's really cool. And there's something about, like, where the clarity starts to come the more you're able to speak to it. And I actually, when I was thinking back to, like, how. How a lot of this started, where me speaking into my phone started and I mentioned the venting voice notes, I talked about it on a few episodes that I like to do those. And because it actually, Betsy, I think we've talked about this. It helps me process more by being able to, like, speak it out loud. So I used to do that before I was able to, like, communicate with people in a really healthy way is I would speak it in my phone first and get the charge out, you know, and then it would help me. Help me process it a little bit. Now I'M better at it. But before, it was a way for like, my phone to, like you were saying, Nancy, my phone to see me. But it also helps, like, the clarity, you know, too. And so anyway, I was just wondering if you guys had any. Any feelings on that as well.

Yeah, totally. I think that the. The fact that you are getting it out of your brain and into something else, either voice or paper or dance, movement, painting, whatever it is, it helps you sort it out and see it for what it is. Because when we're thinking, it's so etheric and so unmanageable that we become overwhelmed. But when you see it with your eyes, you know, in this three dimensional experience, it's like, okay, all right, I think I can handle this. And. And it's out. It's out of your brain, you know, into something else. Put it in the paper or whatever. I think that's my experience, at least. I don't know what everybody else.

You got me right now. I've been playing a lot with physics and really just understanding, like, theory of relativity and like time, space and multiple dimensions and things. Like, that's what I like to do out to like, just keep my brain going. And when you were talking about getting out of the brain and just saying it out loud, it made me think about a Schrodinger's cat, right where they're saying, like, the cat could be both alive or dead, but it's like, it's probabilistic, but it's the observation that causes the thing to take place. And when you said it, it was like, oh, my gosh, my brain is like its own universe where there's Schrodinger's cats all in there. Could I do this? Should I do this? What will happen here? But the fact that once I say it out loud, all of a sudden there's an observation like, this is something I said. It's here. This is real. We're in this reality. Like, there are all these different realities that could exist. But now I just brought this reality out to the forefront. So you're like, it's really. You're messing with my head on very different levels. But there's something in there that, like, feels like metaphysical about that here. So that's. That's really cool.

The awareness changes and molecules and changes the direction. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's so cool.

Okay, the other thing I'd love to hear from you guys is the nice thing about this, the voice note thing, part of the challenge. And we'll go into the other Part in a minute, but is that you can do it anywhere. So, like, you could be hiking and you could be. All of a sudden, like, these thoughts come to your mind. And you take your phone and you start. Like, I have so many voice notes. This is actually. I'm thinking back to when I was even starting to write the book. That's how I was writing is I was like, anytime I thought of something, I would put it in my phone. So, like, all these, like, voice notes of me with, like, my feet crunching. And it's, like, so funny. And so, like, you could be hiking. You could be riding your. Like, right after you're done with your. Remember? So I read the Peloton. So as soon as I was done with the Peloton, or actually sometimes I'd hear the trainer in the background. I'd be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so. Or you could be in your car, whatever it is, and. And. Or you could be at home and have a meditative practice that you're doing before it. It doesn't really matter. It's. But. But you also get to kind of notice where you kind of, like, are able to feel this. Like, where.

Where.

Like when it. When it's coming to you. And I think there's something really powerful in that too. I'd love to hear what you guys think about that as well. One of the things I was going to say is I think that.

That these ideas or things or like, our real self can come to us when we're not busy doing other things. That's why it comes to us when we're hiking or when we're driving, when we're in the shower. It's like times where our unconscious mind is just taking over and there's nothing left for us to do, right? And so then those, like, thoughts can come up because we're creating space for it. And so I think you're really smart to be thinking about, like, capturing those times. Because I know for me, I'll go, oh, I'll remember that later. But, like, we never really do, you know? And so I think that that that's the other thing I wanted to say is, you know the. The double split experiment, right, with quantum thinking quantumly, like, things change when you look at them, and that's science. So if you are having thoughts and you're not really looking at them, are they different than the thoughts? If you explore them and you pause and you record them or write them down, like, how does it change?

And. And how.

And how do you Change. How does that actually change the trajectory of everything? And we think it's a really small thing that I'm hik making and I'm recording this 22nd thing, but does that actually change everything?

I need to hop in on that. I love that. It's that if you're having those thoughts and you're having that inner voice speak to you and you're not expressing it, I do think that it gets in the way. And Niyama, you said something that I'm sitting with of like my face was there under the mask. I just needed to take the mask off. I was getting in my own way. And it really makes me think of one of my favorite quotes of all time. It's by Neil Gaiman and he says that the moment you feel that just possibly you're walking down the street naked, exposing too much of your heart and your mind and what exists on the inside, showing too much of yourself, that's the moment you may be starting to get it right.

And I feel like that really speaks to finding your voice and sharing your voice. I used to say this thing all the time where we all have this example where a thought pops into your mind. Like you find out that a co worker's grandma passed away and you're like, I should send him a text. Like, just like, hey, I'm really sorry to hear this. I hope you're okay. I'm here for you. But then your intellect gets involved and you're like, well, you don't know that co worker very well. They're going to think you're weird for reaching out. And so often I feel like I have thoughts and ideas that come from my heart and before they can come up and be spoken into existence, my, my mind comes down and clamps it down. And what I'm just sitting with on this call is that your, your voice is in between your heart and your head. And so let it speak like from the heart up to your voice. Don't let the head get in the way.

I want to touch upon the, the walking while recording.

It's. It's really interesting how intuitive you were processing things, Stacy, because when, when we go into a thought that triggers us, we go into this tunnel vision, we, the press, the sympathetic nervous system gets activated and we go into fight, fight or flight. And so all of the memories, everything comes flooding and the amygdala gets activated and the emotions, everything gets all convoluted and we can't distinguish between reality and a past experience, a past trauma. And when you are walking what you're doing is sort of rewiring the brain into. Instead of hyper focus on one thing, you are opening your peripheral vision and looking outside of you, around you, sort of forcing your body to, or your, your nervous system to get out, fight or flight. And you're activating the parasympathetic nervous system. And of course because you are breathing hard, you're also activating the vagus nerve. All of that is processing whatever triggers that emotion and is grounding you into this present moment. Stepping into the ground hard, you can still hear the crunching. You are stepping into this moment realizing that whatever was bothering you was not necessarily what is in the present moment. So providing a lot more clarity once you bring everything and record it and you hear it is like, I am here now, I am now here and I am safe now. So finding your voice is, is part of understanding that your voices of 2023, not your voice of when you were 12 or 15 or whatever happened in the past, is the person that I am now, the woman that I am now, the man that I am now. So yeah, great process.

Kate, do you want to add to that before I move on?

Yeah.

And this might be in a slightly different direction, but something I'd like to bring in because it can be such a limiting factor or restrictive factor in finding or freeing your voice is wanting to get it right or thinking that you need to be totally articulate, have an impressive vocabulary, sound right, correct, like an authority on whatever you're talking about in order for it to be true to you or your authentic voice. And I'm all for the messy fumbling and I believe everything we're talking about here is, is a pathway back to your authentic voice or your, your inner voice, your truth. And whether that's freeing it or simply locating it, like fig, where it actually lives in you, that it, it comes with getting it wrong from time to time. And so by voicing things out loud or writing them down, you have an opportunity to check back in for is that actually the right fit? But you have to feel into it. You have to be willing to hear what you've been saying or listen to yourself and then tune into is that actually true or am I just saying something for the sake of it sounding good or being the right thing or some sort of censored form of my truth? And so that's what I'd like to bring in here. This expressing outward and then being able to take it back in and, and using an authentic filter of sorts to gauge like, oh, is this Actually what I'm wanting to express or say right now, or is it something else? And can I actually go back and scratch that out and rearrange it in a way that maybe doesn't sound so clear? It's full of pause or it's a lot slower than you might think is right.

And I would love to hear what you guys think would be good for some dares. So I mentioned a few of the dares that I had planned, which was the venting voice note or letting your inner care know notes. And there's like, tell me your dream day or ideal day. What would that look like for you? Like, you know, like, things like that. What would be some really good prompts for them to do where they could just basically, like, see the prompt the dare and then record.

To help them find slash free. I have to decide on this challenge now. Niyama.

Find free your voice.

Stacey, can I ask a quick question?

Oh, sure.

Throughout the challenge, is it. Is it primarily with the. The recordings, are they talk? Is it like putting out into the world or in other conversations? I just want to see the context related to the challenge here.

Is it what like.

Like is. Is like. Would it involve, like, putting anything out into the world as well, or is it primarily like, let's just do it on the record if it makes a difference.

Yeah, if they want to. That's a great question. If they want to, they're gonna. I'm gonna give them the opportunity to share it in the group. It, you know, like, so if it is something. Because sometimes you'll record something, you'll be like, wow. Like, that was actually a really good thought. You know, I actually wished I didn't delete all my past voice notes because it would have been cool to hear them now. And actually it would have been cool to share some of them, you know, now. But I did even my scrunching feet as I'm hiking and stuff. And then the breathing. But. Yeah, but they don't have to, but they're welcome too. So they're going to be basically, once they do a dare, it'll be like hashtag dare1 and then they'll post, I just did it. This is how I felt, you know, and how whatever came up for them. Or they could upload the voice note if they want to, depending on what it. What it is, you know.

Awesome.

Yeah.

So one of the things that comes to mind just based on that is just even what you were just saying right there, where it's like, I actually just uploaded a whole lot of My past things. I had, like, seven gigs worth of voice notes on my. On my phone. I was like, let's clear out some space. But if I was doing the challenge, I would want to, like. Like, go back to one of them and actually just, like, share it. Something that I felt like it was. It was. For me, it was at that time. It was a past time. I'm so. I'm so far removed from it, but, like, bringing it into this space right now, I think would just be really interesting to just like, allow that one to come in and see where that lives now.

Oh, yeah. Oh, I totally agree.

There's one more thing I'll say, too, related to the dare, but, like, it's also related to Kate's. What Kate had said around, like.

Like.

Like the externalizing and internalizing it. I'm trying to see if I can turn it into a day at the same time. I don't know if I will, but I think there's just something really potent in what you. In that component around, like, catching yourself in what you are saying and actually being able to reflect on that. I like to go live when I. When I read my voice. Like, if I'm really going at it, I'm like, hey, y'.

All.

Like, my nervous system is coming up. I don't want to say this. And so I have to, like, I'm gonna. I'm in the practice of saying it because just if I. If I don't say live, then I'm going to come back and try and be edited in front of you. And there are a number of times where I've had people reach back out to me afterwards and say, like, wow. Like, I've never seen someone say something and then check themselves in real time and be like, is that actually true? Do I want. Like, it's like. Like, it just doesn't. Like, we don't. People don't get to see that. And I. I really love that component that you brought in Kate, around. Like. Like, you can say doesn't. Like. But if you do the work of checking if it's actually correct, then you actually get a chance to actually learn more from that. That experience. I can't. I'm sorry, Stacy. I tried to turn into a dare. I couldn't, but I couldn't. I also didn't want that to just to just, like, die off.

Yeah.

No, I love it because I can listen back to it, and then something I'm sure will come alive at the time because I end up. I get it. To listen to These a few times as I finish completing a challenge. And it helps. Helps for sure. And I think it's true.

There's something really powerful about that unedited version, you know, and honestly, that's even why I did this live today, because I'm constantly trying to push myself, you know, into doing things that are new for me also, you know, like, I do Facebook Lives, but I don't do the zoom expert panel.

Zooms.

And Nyama, you mentioned this on your episode, and I really liked this. You've mentioned something. Sorry for everyone listening. Nyam and I did an episode where we talked about his journey and his story. And then one of the things you said was you don't like going into a situation where, like, you're just talking, like, normal stuff. You want to get uncomfortable. You want to have an uncomfortable. Like, you want to. Because then you want to be able to grow from that conversation. And so it's just. There's just a lot. There's a lot to that. And what we're talking about is doing hard things, flexing the muscle, you know, being uncomfortable, you know, understanding who. Where our voice is, so then it can be unfiltered for ourselves. And then, like I think Gregory said, getting out of the head and into the. The heart.

Can I say one more thing on that really quickly, Stacey? Because, like, I recognize I am, like, I need people to process a lot. You know, I do do some things there. So this is like, for anyone that is in that space that's like, I, like, I wanted. I want to share it out loud as I'm doing it. Maybe not on Facebook, maybe just in a conversation. But one of the things that has been really helpful as a tool around that, it's just been like, some really, like, great agreements in the conversation to let them know that, like, this conversation is going to be different. I'm going to. Hey, like, an agreement might look like, hi, I'm in the practice right now of just, like, finding my voice. And so I'm going to say things in this conversation that I normally wouldn't say. And that's just, like, for me to be in that space, I might say it and then realize, no, that's not actually what I want to say, and then go off in a different direction. But, like, that's what I'm doing right now. Are you good with that and just bringing someone into the game with you so that, like, as you like in all parts of your life, the more. The more that you want to practice that you have that opportunity? So That I wanted to bring that in there as a tool that you might be able to use to keep playing this as it goes along.

Yeah.

So I'm gonna. This leads me into the next part, and I want to still hear what you guys say about dares, but I'm going to speak to this because we can circle back to the dare component because this is also going to be a dare. Another part of the challenge is going to be a bonus dare. I'm going to give them a few bonus dares, basically, to have a conversation with another person and to record it. And it's really cool because the beta podcast that were created from after the. When I was wanting to get any kinks worked out before the start of podcast challenge, it's called so many Things, and it's really. It's already really great. She's got a couple episodes in, and she had just interviewed her best friend. And I know her best friend. Her best friend helps run some of the challenges that I've done. And then I've known her in the entrepreneur community, and I've seen her on other people's podcasts, and then I've also had her on mine a few times. And I got to see their interview, and I'll post it in the group at some point. And it was so good. Like, she interviewed her best friend, you know, and they just talked about, like, their lives, entrepreneurship. And she was so funny. She actually made the funniest comment because her best friend is not an entrepreneur or hasn't been. And she said, like, before I met you, I used to think. And, sorry, I'm gonna say, well, I mean, it's fine. Said entrepreneurship was like more of a douchebag kind of or thing for douchebags or something. And I thought it was, like, hysterical the way that she was able to, like, say what she really felt. Because someone that is an entrepreneur may have no idea what someone else's perception of it is, you know, and it just created this, like, really fun, entertaining space. And I had messaged her after just saying, oh, my gosh. I learned so much about her, you know, like her best friend. And she was like, honestly, so did I. Like, I learned more about her doing this interview than I have. And anyway, that just came alive because what you're saying, Niyama, it's like almost like you're. You get to set this context through this challenge of having a conversation with someone and having it be different because you're doing it for the challenge. The challenge is the vehicle, and it's going to be recorded. And so that will be a bonus air because I know not everyone's going to be excited about it, but. But there will be bonus dares saying, like, interview someone that you want to learn something from or interview someone that you're intimidated by or interview your best friend. And it'll be like different things that they could. They could choose from. And so I'd love to hear what you guys think. If you have. Before we move on from the dare component, if there's any other ideas that you have for dares, it's going to be 17 days. Every day is a new dare, the conversation with someone that will be a bonus dare. So they. That'll be just something extra that they could do if they want to. And then that's basically just a recorded conversation.

Stacy, I have a question first. Nyama. You want to go?

I will go after you, Gregory. Thank you.

Okay. Sorry to cut you off for the interview. Someone that they are intimidated by, do they tell the person that they're interviewing that, hey, you intimidate me and we're. And we're going to record this, or is it. You don't have to say that because I feel like that would change things.

That's a great question. I don't actually. I hadn't thought about it. What do you. Do you think it's. Think it's like, good for them to do either one? Because, I mean, I think they could either say it or they don't have to. You know, they could say like, oh, I'm. I mean, that could be a fun way to get the challenge. Or the. The recording is just to say, like, I have. In my challenge, I'm supposed to interview someone that intimidates me and you intimidate me. So I'd love to interview you. Like, I just think that would be so, so cool. And then. But they also don't have to. It's pretty much like, open to, you know, to what the process person feels comfortable with.

Yeah, I think that would open up a lot of fun conversation topics and questions. If you stated that. But probably doesn't have to be a. Have to.

Yeah.

And then speak kind of. Speaking of getting on a com, getting uncomfortable, what came to mind when you were talking about dares? It's. It's something I've done via a journaling practice before, but I think it would be really powerful as like a voice memo to yourself. It's. Imagine that you find out you only have three months or six months. You can pick your time frame. You only have this set finite period of time to live. Who are the people that you need to say things to, and what would you say to them? Really freeing the voice and getting it out there.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's interesting. And then that just reminds me of something. I think it was Uniyama, the. When we did the expert panel for the podcast, it was like, yes, it was you. It was like, who. Who would you want to say something to? But you can't. That might be a good one, too, but just reminded me of that one also, because a lot of times we have people in our life that we want to say something to, but they can't hear it, you know, and then just by being able to free that, you know, is. It is little. It's a liberating. Anyway, Betsy, were you.

Yeah, I was going to say, you know, I heard Jesse Exler say something, like, years ago about how much about time and what he said, basically, like, as I relate it to my own life, is like, my dad is in his 80s. You know, my best friends from high school still live in Vermont, where I grew up, and I live in Atlanta. And if I think about them, I see them, like, I don't know, every five years, right? So my dad's in his 80s. I'm probably going to live till I'm in my 80s, say. So let's say I have 30 years left, right? So that means I'm only gonna see these girlfriends, like, six more times in my life. Like, I don't have 30 years with them. I have six more times. And then to say, is that enough? Like, is that enough? So can I evaluate. Like, a challenge could be to evaluate the relationships that are important to you and say, how much time do you think you have in this, like, with this frame? And is it enough? And if it's not, what are you going to do different?

So good.

I want. I want to add there. And this could vary. I know many people don't say what they want or what they need in even small situations. Like, I have a friend who. Her son was served the food at a restaurant super late, and she said nothing. You know, the server came with the bill perfectly fine, and she said nothing. And her husband was like, excuse me, you should take this off the bill because it was extremely late and whatever. And my friend was like, no, no, no, let's stay quiet. Let's not say anything. And so that. That sort of. She has. She has learned to shut her own voice down and people, please. And not create any noise and just be invisible. And so I would say that at times we, we tend to do that in small or big ways. So maybe a dare would be to say what you want to say and not worry about what people are going to say or judgment or whatever. You don't have to be aggressive, but you can be kind. You can say yes or you can say no. But, but something like asking for what you need or speaking your truth. And the, the problem that happens when you speak your truth and you're not used to that is that you feel so guilty, you get the guilt hangover and you're like, ah, I shouldn't have said. And you're just ruminating. So showing a lot of compassion after you speak your truth, showing part of the, the getting yourself out there is also showing up for yourself after and giving compassion to yourself. So something to that, to that effect.

What do you guys think would be a good way for them to approach the person for the bonus stare on being able to ask them to be interviewed by them for this challenge? And specifically thinking now also because I just changed the identity of the group to do the thing singles, which again, this challenge, you guys listening on the podcast, you could take. Take on what, what we're saying for you as well. But in terms of the community that's going to be in the challenge, they're going to be people that are single and re identifying who they are and what that means to them. And so I was actually almost thinking I could, I could kind of add a component component for them to like, interview someone that you meet out, you know, and add a little bit of a riskier component to it if they want to, if they choose to take that part of the challenge, it's like.

What you did, like, what you did in Europe, you were like, okay, let me interview this. Complete strangers in the street. So maybe that, that's an awesome way to speak up.

Yeah, that's a good point. Just for several knows, I went to Europe with my daughter and I'd asked her if she was open to me doing some of the do the thing stuff there while we were traveling. And she. And she could record it and she had said, yeah, that's fine. So the last day and a half we were there, we're like, literally standing in front of the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre. And then we went to London and we did stuff there and basically just stopping people and asking what something they've been proud of doing and a few more questions. And it was like, it was so crazy and so cool. And one guy even walked Away, like, was like, oh, sorry, I've got to work, you know, I can't. I can't do it. And he walked back, like, minutes later saying that he was sorry. He didn't want to just shut us down. What did we want to say? He was. He's trying to be more open in life. And there was. It was really cool. But. Yeah, no, that's a good point. Like. Like, maybe if they integrate even something as simple, it doesn't have to be some, like, over zoom thing. It could just literally be. Because, like, it could be like, with the voice note in your phone. Because what I realized was we had a mic. My. I had a mic that I'm holding, but it didn't. I didn't work. I didn't know how to use it. I guess I didn't push the button right. So I'm fixing the volume on it.

But.

But you don't even need some fancy thing. You could literally still do it on a voice note if you want. So anyway, I was curious. Yeah, I'd love to hear what you guys. What you guys think about that.

That.

So my. My first take is just the word, like, open up the word just from the word interview, right? To like, just be in conversation. Because I feel like. I feel like interview. It changes the dynamics and it. And. And that also goes back to the recording thing. Like, people shift, you know, so it's like, let's just have a conversation. I'm going to be curious. I'll be deeply curious. Be curious about me. The things that come for me are just like, how can you have the conversation differently? Where would you take. Even if you're talking to your best friend, somebody you would normally talk to, like, where's the place that you still wouldn't go go, you know, and bringing that into the conversation and. And allowing for whatever else to take place from there, that's. Yeah, there's a. There's a gentleness to that. That feels pretty open.

Yeah, that is. That's a really good point.

Yeah.

I do have a dare for you as well. The. I recognize here. Just so y' all know, my journey of freeing, like, I. Gregory, we were. We were talking with each other. I had to start speaking because I had this feeling of like, I'm talking too much. And that's like one of the number one ways that I dim my voice, that I keep my voice out of here. I'm like. I'm like, oh. Like. And so. So I really want to call that out because there's something that gets in the way of actually freeing and finding my voice, it's always hidden, like, just a bit there. What was coming to me, though, Stacy, is this idea of, like, maybe on day 17 or day 18, inviting. Inviting the people who've done the challenge into a space like this where they get a chance to, like, they. Like, they found it, like, and they just get to. To talk and bit on the spot and, you know, but, like. And my. My. My thing would be, like, if they choose to say yes, they're there. They commit to speaking up during the conversation at least once.

Oh, I love that.

Yeah. And that. And that's it. Like, you don't have to show up, but if you do, you don't know what I'm gonna ask, because I'm like, stacy. You're Stacy. It's gonna be what it ends up being, you know, like, in a great pot in a great way. That's. That's.

That's why.

That's why we love you. We keep coming back, and their commitment is just. All right, let's just play with this.

Yeah. And going back to the playground thing. Right. It's like, really just kind of finding that curiosity in the playground. And I love the change of the word interview to conversation. I think that's a really good. A really good thing for sure.

And what do you guys think as far as, like, good questions to get them to get started with that? Because I'm really excited about that idea. If they're going to take the bonus dare idea of them being able to have conversation with someone and record it, what do you think would be a way for them to almost, like, challenge them? I mean, challenging themselves is going to be for them to just ask the person. Number one, the person either is going to say yes or no. So that's a challenge. Number two is going to be actually recording it, you know, and then so just giving them a little bit of a safety net to know, like, how to. To kind of get that started. Just curious if you guys have thoughts on that too.

What's your question specifically, like, how to. For them, what to say to the person that they want to interview and record?

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I think that in itself when. And I guess that's what you're saying that in itself is. Is the noodling through. Like, what's the authentic version of me? How do they approach somebody to make this happen? Right. So, I mean, I want to say would. Everybody's going to. Like, everybody's going to have to take that moment to say, how am I going what feels right to me to, to interact with somebody because what feels right to me is going to be different than somebody else. One of the questions that I like to ask myself is like, if I wasn't bad, if, if I wasn't bad or wrong, how would I do this?

And then that's a way for me to be able to move forward.

And I just noticed Mike, our do the thing challenge champion, had a question.

Asking if we're gonna only be recording one. So I just wanted to. To speak to that. So every day there's going to be a dare for you guys to record the voice voice note for yourself. And then there'll be a bonus dare once a week. So I think I'm gonna probably give. It's a 17 day challenge, so it'll probably be three bonus stairs, two or three bonus stairs. And it's going to be a choice of three different bonus stairs you can choose from and you only need to do one. So there'll be multiple times that you get to do it. But the only thing that I'm saying, like I really want you to do by joining the challenge is the recording your own voice note every day. So let me know if that answers your question. I'd love to do that. And then, Kate, I'd love to hear your thoughts too, from the authentic relating side of it because this is a really great time. You know, even though it's going to be recorded but like, to almost like, like it's a practice, right? Like it's being able to. To get into that practice of having conversation in a more meaningful way. Like, I know for me, like, if something's being too superficial, like my heart like almost hurts, you know, I just like, I needed to go deeper. And so I think this is a good way for people to kind of practice that as well. Yeah.

And I would love to offer some, some deep and meaningful questions that you can use anytime to deepen and enrich the conversation but found to be true is that it totally depends on the dynamic between you and whoever you're talking to. And that a better gauge than bringing in these sort of, these excellent questions is can you follow the aliveness in the conversation? And that is your own curiosity for one, and what the other person seems turned on by talking about or sharing with you. So where's the sort of spark of aliveness and follow that, that flow? And in a way, I like to think of it as following what's already in the lead. Like there's something that's already implied or Leading the conversation, some spark of, of something that wants to be said, known, heard, and, and you're just following that.

So it's.

I, I like to think of the art of conversation and as. As just going with what's already in flow. And with that, I'll say that there's room for awkward silence and there's a lot of room to even bring that up and, and own your piece of. I wish I had something better to say right now, but I'm kind of blanking. Is there something more you'd like to share or. Oh, you can even out yourself if you, you say something like, like I actually drifted off and I, I didn't catch what you were just saying. Can you share that with me again? Like, it doesn't have to be perfect. And that makes a lot of room for the other person to be human too. So I'd say when you catch yourself wanting to come in with some sort of a script or a prompt or something that these expert interviewers do on their podcast, can you go back to what feels alive right now in me? And, and how might I support that to come through from this other person? So one is, is slowing down and making room for slowness, actually giving permission for yourself and the other to take your time, to have pause to. And ah. And think it through and, and then to really tap into your curiosity, like, ooh, what was it about what they just said or gestured or their tone of voice in that. That struck you? So you could say something like, oh, I noticed you kind of lit up when you were talking about this. Can you share more about that?

Or.

I'm really curious, when you mentioned this word, I felt something in you or felt something shift. What was that about?

Out.

So that's what I'd offer.

Yeah, no, it's so great because you're, you're. And, and you're practicing that muscle for conversation. And it's kind of cool because you get to even listen back. I remember messaging you one time after a podcast interview and just saying, oh my God, I like sucked at this reflective listening thing. Like, I wouldn't have known that had I not, you know, had I not had this conversation recording. Again, I'm not saying it's going on a podcast, but there is a real big benefit just in you learning how you communicate when you get to record it also.

Absolutely. In previous podcasts and even I think it was one of the panels someone mentioned, if you want to learn something, just bring people to interview and learn from them. So what I was thinking what came to mind was, if you want to learn how to free your voice, maybe interview someone and ask them, do you feel like your voice is free? Do you feel like you speak your truth? How do you do that? You know, what. What techniques do you use? Sort of out of curiosity and sort of learning from them, you know, people they admire or maybe just someone random in the street to learn from. From them, whatever they want to learn. And so talking to my.

As to questions.

Yeah. And you're making me think, like, when I did that thing with my daughter, pretty much it was cool because I had the mic, so it, like, was an easy way for me to, like, show, you know, that we were doing it. But, I mean, I think you could still have your phone and just say. I think you could just. You could just say, like, oh, I'm just gonna record it in my. You know, like, it's for this challenge. So, again, the challenge is the vehicle, basically. And so you're asking them permission, but it's like you're. You're telling them it's for a challenge, and you're. You're doing it that way. And so people love their voice. Like, what Nancy was saying earlier, where with. People are not used to being seen and heard. They loved, you know, like, being heard. And that's what I was so surprised with when we were going around and asking for these interviews. I thought, like, we're gonna get. A ton of people say no. I mean, it was, like, so many people said yes. It almost wasn't fun for me because I'm. I like the word now. I get, like, really excited to hear no, and then you get a yes. But, like, it was almost just a little too easy. But, I mean, I loved hearing the story and meeting the people, and it was so meaningful, obviously, but it was just, like, a little too easy. So it was just weird. I wasn't expecting it at all. So what would be your number one piece of advice for the people that are going to be doing the. Find your voice for your voice. Whichever way I'm going to change it each challenge. What would be your number one piece of advice for them?

Them? When I think about someone.

Speaking their truth or. Or doing something, I. I can see how our mind tends to get in the way, and we tend to find really good reasons to not speak our truth or. Or speak our voice. And so maybe it would be sort of check in with yourself and seeing, okay, what's happening. You know, why am I so resistant to this? Because even in that introspection, you're still hearing yourself, you're still hearing your own voice and you're checking with you, not just forcing yourself, but like checking with you. And so whatever resistance is there, just bring a lot of compassion and still move through. So that'll be my thought.

I'll piggyback off of what Nancy said. I think the self compassion is so, so, so important, especially because if you're like most people, you absolutely loathe the sound of your voice at first. And I would say that it does get better. It gets a lot better. I have gotten to the point I've recorded enough podcast episodes where I'm actually starting to like my voice a bit. So it gets better. But the compassion piece is important. And then also there's this quote or saying that I've heard before. It's called do it scared. Do it scared. Do it unprepared. And then do it again. And acknowledging that you don't have to get over the fear before you do the thing. Like you can be your, your hands can be shaking when you're asking someone to record, or you still don't like the sound of your voice, but you're doing it anyways. I think that's really important to know. You don't need to have mastery before you go out and do the thing.

I also would say, like, you can't do it wrong. You know you're not going to do it wrong. So everything's part of a journey, right? You might not do it in the way that you intend the very first time, but I think in that discovery process, you're not going to get it wrong. So just keep trying.

Yeah.

And I'll jump in and offer that there's probably somewhere, some place or some people who you do feel like you can bring your authentic voice or you do feel like you're in touch with your voice. So I'd say start there. Where is that? Is that alone in the middle of the woods for you? Or is it at a community gathering? And then go from there based on that feeling? So what does it actually feel like for you when you are using, finding, or freeing your voice? What does it sound like? How do you know that that's your truth? Because you get some sort of feedback that, yes, this is the right fit for me, and then play with tapping back into that in higher stakes environments. So when you're around other people you might be a little nervous around or in places where you might not speak up as much.

Yeah. So good. And the other thing I want you guys to realize is Just not to overthink it.

It.

You know, it's just literally, like, you might just push record, and, like, nothing comes out, and that's fine, you know, and you could try it again after, try it again another time, you know, and do be in a different environment. And I think there's something really powerful about just knowing that. It's just. You're gonna realize the clarity is gonna happen as you start to. As you start to talk and you're feeling in the right. In the right mode, and you'll get to see where you feel the most, most, most alive. So I'm. I'm really excited to have you guys on this expert panel with me. I'm excited to have those of you that are joining us on the do the thing, find your voice challenge. I think it's going to be a really amazing experience. I like that it's a mini sprint. It's only 17 days. I mean, we could do anything for 17 days. And I like that you're going to have opportunities to stretch yourself even further, and then you also have opportunities to not. So you get to choose your own adventure with this challenge. And so just contin. You know, doing things that stretch you out of your comfort zone. Get to know yourself better and really find what makes you feel alive. And. And that's really what my. What my goal is. And then for those of you that want to start a podcast when this is over, then that offer will be there as well. And so I'm also excited about that. But those of you that don't, you don't have to. And you don't have to, like, just feel good about that and just know that the challenge was exactly what it needed to be for you. And so you could feel good about that as well. Well, so, okay, so before we close, anyone want to add anything else?

I had a random thought in that this isn't like a video game where you only have three lives. You only have three chances to get it right. You can keep messing up. You can keep not making it past the first level, whatever that is, whether it's hitting record or asking someone to interview.

And.

And that just feels reassuring. And that, I love what you said, Betsy, is you can't get it wrong. Like, it's impossible for you to get it. For you to get it wrong. So just keep trying. And just the irony of, like, in reality, we only have one life, but throughout that one life, we have unlimited tries. That's kind of what I'm sitting with.

So good.

Do it, do it.

Do the thing.

Do the thing, baby.

So. All right, you guys. Well, thank you so much. I'm gonna put for everyone listening that would love to learn more about the amazing experts. I will put all their information when I publish it on the podcast in the show notes, and then also they'll all be included in the challenge packet. So that'll be the next step is you'll get to see basically the link where you could sign up for the find your voice challenge, and that link will then basically get you added to our list, our email list, where we'll be able to keep you updated on things via email as well, in case the Facebook group gets overwhelming. And then for those of you that are listening that are not in the Facebook group, definitely join the community, because the community is what really is the glue that ties everyone together, to be able to have that supportive, encouraging space where everyone is able to just basically do the thing together and. And be able to grow together, which is really great. So thank you, guys. I appreciate you being here.

Thank you for having me. Thank you.

Thank you, Stacey, for doing everything you're doing. It's amazing seen.

Thank you.

All right, you guys.