How To Connect With Your Ideal Collaboration Partner

Are live. Yay. Hey, we'll see if it works on the Facebook front. Let's take a look. Okay. It looks like it's working in the challenge group.

You said LinkedIn. I've never done LinkedIn.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, brother.

LinkedIn. So, hey, LinkedIn. Okay, so I. Okay.

Oh, my gosh.

It worked in one group. I'm so excited right now. You have no idea. And it did not work in the other groups. That's so interesting how it's like working and not working. It's very.

Are there different privacy settings?

I don't know, but I will figure it out. Let me just make sure everybody knows what's happening here. So. Oh, my gosh, you guys, we have the amazing Mike Hogan that is with us today. And let me where.

There we go. Okay, that is so funny. Everyone, we are live. Okay. And then I'm gonna.

We gotta do a 15 minute warm up next time, Stacey.

I know. I keep saying that too. And then I.

Well, you gotta let the guests know, you know, I mean, yeah, you didn't want to see me running up and down the stairs, you know, three minutes before the call. So.

Hold on. I'm gonna send this here. I think. I think I am live.

I got the notification on one of the groups. Oh, good.

Okay, cool. All right, let's find us again. Okay, I'm here. All right. Oh, yay. Hi, Wendy. Okay, exciting. Okay, so that must be from YouTube. Okay, cool. I feel like YouTube. I think I'm just gonna land the plane on YouTube with these lives. It feels easier to me, but. Okay, you guys will. Here. Oh, let me tell the collaboration group. Just so they know that what's happening. Let me just post in there. It's the problem with all these groups. Right.

Live. Here we go.

You're the one that has to keep it straight.

I know, right? Yeah. The live is. Wait till you guys see what's in store for you today. So hang on through this temporary.

It's only Tuesday, Stacy. I mean, come on.

Okay, I'm gonna find us on YouTube and then I'll post it in the comments so you guys could watch the live. One second. Here, let me grab it. And then I will introduce you, my very special guest that I am so excited about. Let's. There I am. Okay, I'm here. Oh, my gosh. I'm doing it. Okay, copy that. Going on there. This live is on YouTube.

Amazing.

We did it. Mike, you were.

You did it. I'm just sitting here.

All right, guys, here's the thing.

I. What? I Love about what I do is that I get to meet the coolest people along the way. And Mike and I met, for those of you that don't know, through the do the Things singles group. Oh, yay. Vicki's here. Do the things singles group. And he participated in the number two dating dare challenge and even won it. Right. You won that.

I did, but I'm still single, so whatever that got me.

Yeah, still single. However.

You are, it was a great experience.

You are loving being single.

Yes, absolutely.

Which is different than a lot of times when people come into the dating challenge.

That's right.

Yeah.

The end result, like you said, you get to help people.

Yeah. And so. And so that's the whole idea. Right. Is so Mike's been part of the do the Thing community for a while. He is been just an amazing. Like, he's the supporter, the encourager, the what else? How else would I. Just the champion, the everything. I feel like you're. You're so many things in the community to so many people, and you've helped so many people too. And what's been happening recently and the reason why I brought him on recently, because for those of you that end up falling in love with Mike and you will, there's plenty of episodes. We have like two episodes.

Gracious. I gotta go. I gotta meet this guy.

We have two episodes on the do the Thing podcast. We have an episode on the Dating Experiment podcast. And then we also have you part of the 200th anniversary podcast episode. So you are like, all over. All over. And so recently, Mike has been introducing me to some different.

People that have been, like, amazing collaboration partners. And which is like, I mean, from some. An incredible author. He brought on somebody that runs these, like, unbelievable events all over. Well, eventually it'll be all over the country. Right now it's in the Tri State.

Yeah. Mid Atlantic area.

Yeah. Like hundred hundreds of people that go to those events. Somebody that's, like, really successful on Instagram with, like a huge following and just been just. Just doing all that stuff. But not because of any of that stuff. He's doing it because, like, he sees something. Right. And the stuff that I'm doing and then he sees stuff. Something in the stuff they're doing, and then he's naturally making the connection. And so that's why I thought it was really important for us to talk because there's so many people out there that are doing like the. I like to call it the spammy marketing, you know, and like forgetting about their relationships. And that's the Thing that I think you're so just.

Good at is like just the relationship and it's not coming from anything other than like the purest part of who you are, you know, which is really what I want more people to do. So I am welcoming you to. Thank you.

Hi, Happy to be here. Always enjoy winging it. So I, you, you, you help me, you know, you help people come out of their shells a little bit. But.

You know, happy to, happy to try and help.

It's. Thank you for, for all the kind words.

It's, it's just something, you know, and a lot of what you just mentioned is social media related.

And I don't know, you reach a point in your life where you only have so much bandwidth and if you're not using it to make yourself better or enjoy life a little bit more or happy, you know, and you know, getting back to the group, you know, you surround yourself with your people. Well, I mean your people can be out in the digital world too.

So those people that you mentioned all have some type of tie into previous work that you have done. And it just like I appreciate them for their own expertise, but I could tell that there was a connection and to take it out of the digital world. My, I mean I'm big into yoga and that's probably, you know, what kind of, I won't say reinvented me, but just helped me realize how important people are because I could take yoga classes online, anybody can. But I go to a studio, I go to a community and it is that community and I even recommended, you know, that, that my yogi come and, and talk with you and I'll get her someday. But it's, it's a mutual benefit type of thing that they have something for, they have something to give. I, I need something and then I have another person that is trying to, to get to the same message from a different angle and just kind of making those connections.

Whatever your, you know, and I, I have a vague sense of what you're doing, but you know, whatever anybody is trying to promote out there, their service, their product, their offering, what have you, I don't want to burst any bubbles, but the reality is.

The wheel hasn't been reinvented. It's, it's a different, you know, you're adding your personal self to whatever you're offering and you have to have passion for that. Well, how do you bring more eyeballs? How do you get more attention? Guess what, you're going to have to steal that attention from other people again. Going back to the. To the bandwidth aspect. And you're. So why not find other people that are doing similar things that have a different way of saying the message? And stealing is the wrong word. Borrowing, shifting, exposing.

And not to oversimplify things, but then you just have to be willing to ask. Just reach out and ask. I mean, the author, I asked him in person.

The person online, Instagram, I just sent her a private message. And.

I mean, what's it going to hurt to just ask? If you see a value proposition. Now I see. I'm very interested in this. I like what you're saying here. I'm trying to do this. I think you might be able to help me get that accomplished and try and make that connection of that value proposition. That's the way I go about things. And I do the same thing in my personal life.

In that if I'm thinking of somebody, I reach out to them.

You know, instead of saying, you know, hey, it's been a long time since we talked. It's, hey, I was just thinking about you. Hope you're doing okay. And the universe has a funny way of just presenting those opportunities, at least for me. So when you see it, just act on it. Hmm.

So much here. So good. Mike, I love this. You know, it's just that that idea of being willing to ask and.

Like, it not coming from.

I feel like the spammy word keeps coming up because I just see so much of that right now. And I really want people to bring back relationships, you know, not only into business, but into life. Right. And I was just on a call with. And they're probably here with some of the audience accelerator people. We were just talking about how when you're able to, like, almost just open yourself up, right. And be more vulnerable, and people end up getting, like, attracted to that, they're coming towards you. And so that's what you're doing, is you're seeing the people. Because everyone you've connected me to is really similar to me in the way that, like, they're. They are who they are. They're not putting up a show. You know, there's no shell of themselves.

Authenticity.

Yeah.

And. And the whole idea that.

Well, now go on. I interrupted.

Yeah, no, no, it's great. It's true. It's like. And so the fact that you're seeing that from me and then you're seeing that from them and then connecting us and being willing to ask and then. And doing that, there's just this. Such a. It's beautiful to me, you know, regardless of who it was for is just the idea of it just coming from this really beautiful, you know, heart centered place. And that's what I'm really working towards, you know, as I'm like continuing on with all this stuff and is just making, making people understand this concept more and how much cooler it is when you're able to, to be aligned in this way.

You, I mean you're trying to get the word out, you're trying to get the message out. You know, let's be, you know, hundred thousand foot view. You want to contribute to making the world a better place. That's great. Stacy cannot reach every single individual person. It's impossible.

So you need other flames, you need other sparks to help carry that message a little bit and get the exposure. And that's what it's about.

When, when I'm listening, whether it be you or another podcast, I just sent you another one today.

Or to an expert talking about their book or what have you. I try and put myself in their shoes. So anybody out there that's trying to expand their business, I try and, and even in my own business, I, I'm in account management, I'm in sales. So I constantly try and put myself in my customer's shoes. How are they looking at things, how are they seeing things? What are their pain points? Because I could have the best widget in the world, but if they can't connect to me as a person, I'm never going to have the opportunity to get that message over to them and be able to help them see the translation in the value.

So you do, you have to be a little vulnerable and you have to give again. Each one of you that's watching you are the unique part of your offering. I mean it's got to be that way.

So you have to be willing to share that.

So good. You are the unique part of your offering. I hope you guys heard that. That is so freaking good. So what would you suggest to someone that.

Really wants, like there's a lot of people watching that wanna like collaboration partner, you know, want someone to JD their whatever it is thing. It's like JB is like a joint venture where they're sharing audiences and things like that. What would you suggest when they're reaching out to someone and who should they reach out to? You know, because it's not just like a, I'm gonna call everybody in the world, right? It's like you want to make sure your, your messages are aligned so that the people that you get are going to really get what you're doing right.

Well, we talked about this a little bit. I mean, I don't have a strict formula, but I am, Relationships are important for me. Pardon me. I'd rather have face to face meetings.

And you know, some, some people might think it's kind of, I don't know, old school or what have you, but, but meetup events, you know, business centric meetup events.

Type of things.

The, what's the word I'm looking for? You know, community business networking events and things along those lines.

Maybe take it down the path of if you're doing. And you know, this is not, I'm not trying to diminish anybody's offering or what have you, but if you're, if you're in the self help, you know, realm, there's, you know, there's a myriad like who do, who is your hero? Who, what, who inspired you to come up with your offering to come up with your product.

And pay attention to who they talk to and who they follow and try and I mean, this is the market research part. You can look at statistics all you want, but it's got to resonate with you. So listen to a podcast. You don't have to listen to the whole thing. I mean, there's no score for how much, but if you like the way the message is coming out, it's who, who do they associate themselves with? If you have, you know, I'll go back to that word hero again.

And, and there's no reason why you can't have access to that. You know, if, give me somebody off of the, you know, what's the TV show, the, you know, where they pitch the products. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, you're, you're not going to get right to Shark Tank, you know, to, directly to the people in Shark Tank. But you know what? I bet you there's a business that might be in your town that, that got some of their success from Shark Tank. The, the woman, I forget her name, I haven't watched it in years. Yeah.

She actually does a lot of business on qvc.

Oh, right. Yeah.

And, and QVC is right here in my backyard and I know people that have just gone out and frequented the establishments, you know, around here, knowing when she's going to be in town and things along those lines. So I mean, you can really be creative about it, but it's, it's, you know, where did your spark of inspiration come from and who are you, you know, trying to model and trying to get to those people a, the, you know, their customers, their consumers? But B, who they associate themselves with and.

Yeah, yeah, no, so good. Mike. I was just talking about part of this, and I love you. Just kind of like, connected the circle together. I just. Like, right before we got on, I was meeting with my audience accelerator group, and I was talking about, like, there's like, this timeline with the person that we want to help, right? Or impact in the world. And either, like, we have this, like, defining moment. I'm not going to show the image right now, but a lot of you know what I'm talking about. But it's basically like you have your defining moment where you have this, like, thing that happened to you or this. This problem that you realized you wanted to solve, right? So. And then all of a sudden, you get into the awareness that you want to actually solve the problem or get over the hurt or whatever it is that happened, you know, and then you go on this quest. Quest, which is when you start listening to all the things and you're. You're learning stuff. You're going to the conferences, the workshops you're signing up for, do the thing, you know, singles, whatever, all this stuff, right? And then. And then there's a point when you then decide, okay, I'm ready to teach this, which is when people started the. Start a podcast challenge in my group right now, my other group, because they're ready to teach the thing that they just went through. So if you look at even do the thing, and you've been through all of it, so you kind of know, it was like the singles group was, like, the beginning of my timeline, which was like my divorce, you know, to, like, dating again, you know, and then all of a sudden, okay, I'm feeling good now. I'm ready to do something. And then I helped people with the start of podcasts, and then kind of kept going on that way. And it's really important to. I was just saying this, too, which is so good. This is, like, so perfect. It's because this is so key, and it's where everything ties together. It's like, whose stuff were you binge watching, you know, when you were, like when you were going through that thing that you want to help people with, you know, and whether it's a product that you have that you're selling, a program that you're doing, it's like, whoever that person was, then that's like a good space to be around, you know?

Right.

And. And then you could either collaborate directly with that person, or if you're not competing with them, you could just give value to Their communities. And it's just such a beautiful, more relational, you know, way, which is pretty much what we're talking about. Right. It's getting out of that like I want something because you have it. Like we're like, we're like giving each other both value, which is so cool.

Everything you say is spot on. I mean, I don't think through that whole process, but yeah, I mean, making that connection.

And.

This isn't business speak, but.

Put out what you hope to receive. So. And don't forget that you're a consumer as well. I mean, so, you know, just because you decide to be an entrepreneur doesn't mean you stop being a consumer. Right. So you can't lose touch with that. You really have to put yourself in your customer's shoes.

And.

Other others. Customers shoes. I have no idea what I was trying to say there. But.

So it's all about getting in front of the right people in a myriad of different ways. And we have so many different vehicles. I.

I'm not as active on LinkedIn as I used to be.

But I mean companies really leverage that as a tool.

I think maybe.

LinkedIn's never going to be. Well, LinkedIn has its purposes, but I think there's spaces, maybe Facebook, like discussion groups.

And other than your discussion group, you might have to get out and about a little bit. But if, if you can, if you can start to kind of share your tidbits, let's call them and start to build a reputation and have an interaction with people and discussions.

Then, you know, seize that opportunity. You know, send a direct message, go ahead and, and you know, reach out and try and make that connection. And I always start a conversation from.

The standpoint of.

What I can do for you.

Actually, no, I mean, because that comes across like I'm trying to sell something. It's what I really like about what you do.

Oh, I love that.

You know, and this is what it meant to me. This is how it resonated with me. Here's the connection I see. Personally, I think this connection would work too.

So, you know, and then if, if you have a few again spreading that spark, spreading that flame, if you have a few other people in the space.

With similar messages and doing the collaboration thing, I mean, here we are on YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook, you know, you've done Instagram. I think those are all the tools right, you know, basically for being socially active.

Right on cue.

Right on cue. Yeah. Until I do my tick tock challenge.

Oh boy.

But, but you can't just rely on that you have to get out and get in front of people.

And it doesn't even necessarily have to be, you know, this is going back blocking and tackling to some of the earlier challenges. In my opinion. It doesn't even have to directly be related. You don't have to go out specifically, you know, for, you know, I'm going out for business networking, you know, because if you already have your mind made up, then you're going to be disappointed if you don't make any connections. But maybe if you just go out with curiosity to an outing or a group or what have you and try and really learn about people are doing and what people are dealing with, then you may have an opportunity. It takes work because you have to make the connections. But it could even happen in the same room. I was just talking to Sam over there and he does a lot of what you, you were just talking about go ahead and make that handshake right there. And, and, and that sets you up again, taking it out of business. But I believe you're paying it forward. You're doing for others what, what you're hoping people are going to do for you.

Yeah. And it's almost like we're talking about dating too. Right? It's like having no attachment to an.

Outcome and just that's it, I'm out of here.

It's like, it's like no having no attachment to an outcome. Right. And you just like able to, to like see a person, view with the person. I don't know, it just feels like it's, it's really similar. In fact, maybe we should do a bumble networking.

Well, those are some social feeds that we have not embarked on yet. Yeah. So.

It is the non attachment to the outcome and people might say, well gosh, then I'm just wasting my time. But you're not because you're developing skills, you're developing confidence, you're developing curiosity, all the things that you want people to come to you for, for whatever offering that you have.

So I think it's time well invested and it does take time, but it is a lot like.

Okay, so you've had, you just said you got off a meeting. I think you probably have 15 minute meetings a day.

But I do not go into a meeting without an objective. You have to have an objective of what you hope to get. It keeps you on path. But if you know your subject matter well enough and you have to be a subject matter expert, you need to be able to bounce in and out backwards and forwards, go to the end, come Back to the beginning and not get distracted if somebody takes you down a tangent. You can explore a tangent. A genuine curiosity. But having an objective for a meeting is different from having a.

Like a structured roadmap or an expectation that, that you're going to meet that objective. You can have questions prepared.

Stay away from the yes and no questions. Open ended questions are great, but a genuine curiosity. And then listening, communicating, listening goes with the response. May not be what you expect, but go with it, take it, take it in that direction and then hopefully you can bring it back if it is, if there's an opportunity, you know, your actual selling opportunity to, you know, try and make an impact on somebody's life.

So good, Mike.

All right.

We're going to say hi to people. So I'm realizing, because this is a different. Everything's different with Facebook right now. So it's like. Gotta say hi, Amber. Oh, good.

I'm good.

Glad to see you. Hey, Fern. Hey, Sue.

Hi, Benjamin. Oh good. I'm glad you're hearing it clear from Facebook. Hey, Dr. Minnie and Julie and Sarah and Tammy.

Jamie and Marsha. And.

Benjamin said he felt spiritually connected to ancient Chinese yogis when he struck his first warrior pose. That's cool.

Wow. Wow. All right, Benjamin, I think we have to talk here.

That's awesome. And Jamie said, oh, I think this is at the authenticity. She said, I am the best at this. Thank you. Yeah, she said. And then Leah said, Stacy always has such great insights. Authenticity is so valuable and scarce these days. Hey, Lala, good to see you. Hi, Carmen. Oh, Carmen's been binging on my channel and then, oh, she, she's saying, I can't compete with Amazon. I'd love to go there in a minute too. That's good. And then sue said, so funny how once we've solved our challenges, it could be hard to remember what they were. That is so true, Sue. That is right.

You get so far removed from it that you forget how hard it was or.

Yeah, yeah, no, it's so true because like.

Yeah, you just totally like. And that's why this. I'm just, I'm just having this like moment of like. This is why this. I have this in my program, have this wheel exercise that have people do and it's got the timeline and all that stuff and we're finding out who's been on our quest and that's why it's so hard because you've like, you forget that you were even that person. Right. Because now you're helping.

Right?

This is you're helping the person that you were. Right. And for some people, it could be they were last year, it could be someone they were three years ago, it could could be someone they were five years ago, but that's who you're being called to help. But then you got to remember where you were in that space, so then you could serve those, you know, communities. So that's actually really. That was really interesting. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, to me, the antithesis of that and this is a wide ranging generalization, but.

You know, how many of us grew up playing sports, you know, thinking, you know, we were pretty good, and maybe there's another level, and then maybe there's another level. And the, you know, the, the truth of the matter is only, you know, less than 1%, you know, of, of the human race is, you know, pro athlete material. But the biggest complaint that I see, there are some genuinely good people, you know, professional athletes, but the overreaching, I think kind of vibe you get is, you know, they, they got this big paycheck and they forgot where they came from, you know, and again, that's a, that's a big generalization. But, you know.

I really appreciate the athletes that, that do really get it in that they need to give back and, and even in our own little ways, just because you remind yourself of where you came from doesn't mean you have to dwell on it and, and obsess about it. How challenging was or how difficult. Spin that, you know, that was my innovation. That was my motivation. There's a positive aspect to it.

So good. So good. And then, oh, Neil said, he said he totally agrees. And Anne Marie said, I don't know if I have a product. I have a skill set getting people to talk, and I like to use it. How do I leverage this if I don't have something to sell yet?

So what's great about that, Anne Marie, is you have a podcast.

I'm almost positive it's about this life. About this life. And so when you have a podcast, that is something you're able to use, that's, that's a starting point, you know, so I'd love to hear what you think, Mike, in terms of what you. But. But when you have something that you're able to have people share, that's like a. Such a good starting point to be able to, to grow. Right? And you do that through what we're talking about with these collaboration partners, like it's now going forward or maybe someone that inspired you, that has a higher reach. Because when you're able to interview them on your podcast that naturally grows your podcast. Because now they're going to share their episode with somebody else.

Right. With their followers.

With their followers, which immediately. Like, I know when you got me with Dating with Katie, I mean, I at least had, I think, like, 15. 15 to 20 new people that joined my group, like, after that. Right. So it's like, once you're kind of, like, connected with someone who has.

I told two friends. They told two friends. You know, the old hair commercial. I mean, it does work. I don't know Emery's podcast. I mean, is it. Is it her objective to actually come up with a product? I mean, her skill set is the product.

So, I mean, you know, I don't know all the math on podcasts and what have you, but, you know, before you can make that something that you're selling, it's got to reach a certain following, I think.

Yeah.

You know, there's opportunities for advertisements and sponsorships and things along those lines, but, you know, surround yourself with, you know, what are the other podcasts that you listen to? Are they advertising? What are they talking about? Not. Not that you're copying, but if there's something that needs to be explored, then go find that guest, that next guest that's going to help you explore it.

You know, without knowing the details, I.

Can'T, you know, and just, like, without going too, like. Yeah. And she's a teacher, so she has so many things she could end up doing. Right. With connecting the dots. So what I'll probably do for you, Anne Marie, I have a really good live that we did with Greg Johnson through the Audience Accelerator program, where he helped them see how to create an offer through an audience. And so I think that could apply to you, because it's the matter of, like, once you've tapped into who your person is that you want to help, like where on the timeline they're at, then. Then the product kind of comes naturally. That's pretty much what you've seen me do, Mike, like, in the last couple years, right. Where Pamela. It's funny, she's like, every time I wake up from a nap, I have a new challenge I'm starting. I think you had a similar feeling. Yeah. Which now it's a new group. Now it's just a new group. But. Yeah.

But it came from. None of it came from me. It all came from you guys. Right. Like, you joined. You told me why.

Yeah, but you see it. I mean, you. You. Yeah, you. You. You see that thread, and then you. You tug on It.

Yeah, well, like, it's kind of like even the dating challenge, when I first did that, you know, like, I thought people were going to want help with flirting and this and that, and it turned out everyone just wanted to make friends and they wanted to be, like, happy again, you know, and not be so depleted and exhausted with the dating app. Right. And so then that was the direction. Now, this next dating challenge that I'm doing, I'm. That's why I was excited to talk to Dating with Katie, because I'm thinking of actually having dating be a part of it, because I feel like everyone's graduated to the point where we're ready, we're ready to actually do the thing with dating.

Are we talking about matchmaking here? I mean, you know, because, you know, it's hard to snap your fingers and have a date, you know, but anyway, so all right, back, back, back to business.

Stay tuned for that.

Emory said, cool beans. Okay, good. And then let's see. Oh, Julie. Yeah, Julie's also. She's got the podcast Hidden Gifts. Yeah. We have such amazing people in this group. It's so good. So tell me, what would be a way, like, so let's say they remember the person that they like, binge watch their stuff or they inspired them and this is the thing that they're wanting to either talk about. For some of you that don't know what you're wanting to, like, say, sell yet, but for others of you that have something clear that you're wanting to sell, so someone that you've watched at the time that, and that. That your offer or the person you want to help is directly aligned with that, how would we help them? Like, with that person? Like, you mentioned, even, like Lori at Shark Tank, like, maybe sometimes you wouldn't approach Lori directly. You might go this other way. But, like, what would be just kind of like a general, like, just idea. Not general idea, but, like, intuitively even, like, for them to do at this point?

Well, I mean, I. I'm not sure I have a really good answer to that. I mean, there's only so many ways to get in touch with people. I. I think you have to have your name show up in front of people as often as possible. So that, that doesn't mean, you know, sending a spam email to their, you know, info and at dating with Katie or whatever. But, you know, if they do have a discussion group commenting on podcasts, I mean, I haven't done it a whole lot, but I mean, do the podcast authors even read the comments and the feedback on the. On the podcast. Because you can comment on podcasts.

I mean, I've done that. Actually, I did that on Katie's podcast.

Like when you. So when you first reached out to her, was it an Instagram message or was it.

It was an Instagram. I mean, I've listened to her podcast and. And follow her on Instagram. So there's so many different vehicles. And look, you know, here's. I mean, that was just a.

I mean, that was a sweet spot because the podcast that I actually listened to, she said.

At 100 podcasts, I'm going to do something different, you know, so be on the lookout. You know, we're going to change the format. And I said, bang. You know, why not? This other person I know does a bunch of podcasts, you know, why not? Why not put them in touch with each other?

So there are only so many vehicles. I mean, again, you can't pick up the phone. But it's okay to be a fan. You don't have to start selling something right away. Right? You can just comment, you know, give positive feedback. And then if they see a couple of messages from you, then maybe, you know, that one message that you do send, you know, will get the appropriate attention. It is like dating. You know, not every message is returned, you know, so you can't have an expectation. Again, not getting attached to the outcomes. Right. I mean, this. Nothing in life is foolproof. You just. You pick your spots and you take your chances. And I. I've been. I've been pretty. I've been pretty lucky so far.

Yeah. When you reached out to Katie, do you remember what you said, what your message was?

I don't remember exactly. It was along the lines of I had sent her previous messages. You know, I appreciate this feedback. I like the way you talk about this. I align with this. And then I sent her a message that said, hey, I have a friend, she runs a podcast, and she. She does these dating challenges. And I think it would be really cool if the two of you had a conversation to see if there might be some kind of collaboration. So, you know, the. The common thread there was obviously the dating and. And also knowing that she wanted to expand what she was doing to go, you know, And. And you were also looking forward to expanding, you know, what you wanted to do. So again, that was a. That was a confluence that just really came together all at once. But, yeah, the only way to set yourself up for that is to immerse yourself.

In somebody else's business. I mean, that's Kind of what you have to do.

You know what's so cool about that? I'm actually thinking of. This is for actually all the three recent people that you've referred me to. It's so interesting when I think about it, because it just came up is like, so, so when you connected me with Katie, originally, I went on Instagram, right? And you helped me. Mike was great because I was really uncomfortable going live on Instagram, like, I am now with an interview. So he, he helped me. He was my safety net. And he came on with me that morning, and we did a pretty free interview. And then by the time I did her interview at all, like, I figured it out good, which was great. And it was, it was such a cool interview. I think there were, like, hundreds of people there too. And I'm not even like, I have an Instagram following, but it's not like where I live. I live more on Facebook. And so it was a lot of her people, so it was really cool.

And then the, the Insta. I'm not an, I'm not a social media expert, but the, the Instagram.

Lives will automatically show up at the top.

On people's Instagram feeds. And, and you can see when they're active.

So, you know, it's right there. Now, of course, Facebook sends the notifications, but there's a couple of extra steps that you have to go. So. And we know they're owned by the same company. It's. It's very similar.

And so what was so cool, though, is then because I was out of my comfort zone going on live with her, then she was like, okay, I'll come in Facebook with you. And she was then going out of her comfort zone coming in Facebook. And then on that live, we talked about maybe even doing a challenge together when I do the next dating challenge or when her book comes out in the fall. And so it was really exciting just to kind of see how, like, we're able to now collaborate. Right. This isn't. Like, Mike just didn't set this up. Set this up. Sounds weird, but, like, you know, I'm not quarterbacking. Yeah. Like, right.

I mean, I, I, I set the table. I gave, you know, the platter, and you guys, you guys run with it. I, I don't need to be involved.

And then I've got another. Hold on. Another one. We got Kevin, who Mike read this book, which I highly recommend. This book, Dating, Dating with Full Deck. And we're. I met Kevin through Mike. I don't know how. Do you want to share how you connected this one, how you got.

So. So here's the indirect connection. I go to yoga. I love the community as much for the. For the exercise and the practice, but it's the people that are there. And. And my yogi is friends with the authority, so she brought him in to do a book review at the yoga studio. And I'm just like, yeah. And, you know, we. We. He talked about the book for an hour, and I had like a half a dozen questions I didn't get to ask. So I'm like, well, you know, would you like to talk to a bigger audience? And look, you know a little bit about Kevin by now.

Yeah.

I mean.

You just never know. I mean, Kevin. Kevin's got a movie coming out. He's written five books, you know, three screenplays. Katie. Katie has over 30,000 followers. I mean, you know, how did she stop in her day, you know, to say, well, I'm going to answer this idiot's question, you know, and then. And then agree to make a connection. So don't. Don't be like. I don't want to say. Don't look at the numbers, but don't let the statistics, like, they're just people.

You know, and. And it's really. It's really on them. If they're authentic about their business and what they're trying to do and you can relate to it, then they're going to respond, hopefully.

Totally. And then the other thing, too. So now with Kevin, he came in Live in the community was amazing. We even talked about doing a book club around his book, potentially during the dating challenge. And so. And then I went on his podcast. And then. Oh, I connected him to someone. I won't share.

Who.

Just in case, I don't know, but, like, someone really great. That's amazing. And he even called me to thank me for the connection. And so, like, this is what, like, it comes, right? It's so, so cool. And then Rosanna, you call her Ro, but, yeah, Rosanna. Rosanna was somebody with the whole. She does all these amazing, like, single events, right? Singles events. And then Mike connected her to me. She came in live in the group. I ended up connecting her with someone else. So it's like this. It's like a thing. Like, we're not. I'm just remembering now, I connected her to it. Founder of Shut up and Write. I think it's fine. Like, where they have locations all over. And I'm like, oh, it'd be cool if you could see what his model is talking about. Talk to him and see if that's something you could do. And I don't know what's going to happen, but it's fine because we're, like, just giving, like, once you kind of like, it's like a give, give. It's not give take. It's give, give. Right.

It's. It's reciprocal energy.

That's it. Thank you. Reciprocal energy, Mike. I love that.

Yeah. You know, again, give. Give what you want, not what you expect, but, you know, give it freely, and I do believe that it'll be paid back.

Yeah. So good. And so what would you. Did you. When you. When you asked Kevin, was it, like, similar, or do you remember what that was like just to kind of, like, help them kind of see?

Well, yeah, I mean, even though his book isn't. I mean, despite the title, it's more about relationships than it is, you know, just, you know, about dating specifically. And there's a lot of psychology in it, but he gives it a human aspect, not a scientific aspect. And, of course, his own personal. So after the conversation, after his book review, I. I just immediately just said, hey, look, I have a friend who does a couple of podcasts. We've done some work together on Facebook around relationships and dating. You know, I really think that, you know, the community would really appreciate hearing what you have to say. So you're almost like, you know, pumping their ego a little bit, you know, like, I'd like to get you some more exposure, you know, so this is going to be good. You know, this could be good for you.

I love that. That's so good. Okay, let's check in. Okay, so. Oh, Benjamin, this is referring to the dating challenge. I figure that when the right girl finds me, she will let me know. I love that. And then let's see.

Sue. Oh, sue with the killer idea. She said, ooh, when they email the podcast person. When they email you about the new episodes. Right back. That's how sue just got a really great, awesome. Her group.

Yeah, I like that. Wild.

Yeah. And she just got an amazing expert on Today that she got to interview.

Especially when you get the emails that you can respond to that don't say, please don't respond to this email.

It's an automatic block.

That's another good point, Mike. It's like almost figuring out where their platform is. Right, right. Because if someone's reaching out to me on Instagram, I'm not as. Or LinkedIn, I'm not as likely to respond, you know, whereas they're in my group and they're Messaging me. Although my messages have been a little bit crazier lately. But, like, messaging me, that would be, like, my platform, right? Or email is probably my best way. Just FYI, for anyone that is gonna message me now. But anyway, yeah, so, no, that's really good. And then Amory said, I would like to connect to Kevin because if his podcast, he works with quotes in the English Teacher's Dream.

I love that.

Oh, I'm gonna connect you, Anne Marie. That would be great. That would be so good. And then. Oh, win, win. Yes. I love that.

Yes.

Yeah, that's it. Right?

I love that. Yep. That's good stuff.

So how was it, Mike?

Wait, it's over. Okay.

I'm telling you, it was, it was.

It was. It was good. It was good. I'm, I'm curious. No.

Look, you and I communicated.

You've got a lot of things going on. We all have a lot of things going on.

So you just got to kind of lean in and leap in and see what happens, have a few laughs and a few smiles and spend a little time with some people. So it's all good stuff. There was one comment about competing with Amazon.

Oh, thank you. Yes, yes, yes. That was.

Yes. Let me just find it, because you're right. I wanted to go back there. Oh, hey, Kimmy. Good to see you. Oh, Carmen. She said she can't compete with Amazon. I think she's selling on Amazon right now. And.

Yeah, yeah, I, I, I don't know how you do it. I mean.

The. Well, this is another, you know, discussion. Right. But, I mean, the monopolies have, you know, maybe done a little bit more harm than good.

So maybe reframe it. It's not competing with Amazon. It's, you know, how do you, how do you get along with. How do you, you know, Shopify? Yeah.

Yeah, because, you know, you, you can't, you can't spend your energy and your bandwidth fighting, you know what the status quo is? I hate the words. I, I don't like the word status quo, but you know what I mean? I mean, everybody is on Amazon and the algorithms are crazy. And, you know, it's the same thing with social media. You know, we're only seeing what the social media companies want us to see, you know, based on, on your activity levels. So make your own activity level. You know, make yourself known, get out there and. And make an impact on other people's podcasts or discussion groups or whatever, and you'll have a chance to share your light.

Yeah, that's a really good point. Yeah. Carmen, you could go in the do the Thing collaboration network group and just mention what you do and see if there's anyone that would like you to come on their podcast, because that's a good way to get it going, too. Amber said she loved. She loved that mic. So good. And Vicki joined Facebook. She said, this has been great. I left YouTube and came into Facebook. So, um, yeah, it was so good, because, Mike, can I share what you shared with me? Like, right before the thing with the.

Sure, yeah.

Mike was like, you know, I have no formula for this. Like, I don't know, like, what are we going to talk about? And I'm just like, this is exactly what I want. And, like, put in the comments if you guys agree. Like, this is literally, like, the perfect thing, I think, for everyone to hear is that we don't need a script, we don't need a process, we don't need a system. We just need to be human beings and get back into, like, what. What do we. Like, who do we like listening to and connecting to them on this, like, really human level? Right. And that's what. That's what it is. And it's. It's just going back to the most fundamental thing that we could all do. And it's like what you said in the beginning. It's. And I didn't connect it together. That's why I care so much about this. There's only so much I can do, right? Like, we gotta all just, like, have this be something. So we get back to this. These principles that are really matter, you know, in the world. Soapbox.

So there you go.

All right. All right. That was nice. People took time out of their day, so I appreciate it.

Yeah. Do you want to share any. Any. Any final thoughts there?

Nothing's coming top of mind right now. I think I shared all my nuggets, or at least I'll remember something five minutes from now. But that's okay.

How about this? How about. Well, number one, how does it feel like just saying yes? Because you said yes when you said yes to the challenge, you said yes to all the things, right? Champion challenges, all these things. And then recently I had you come in live in the singles community, and we got to do this. Like, you re. You helped me with the reopening of that kind of group where you came there, you said yes to this, and just like, how does that. Just to kind of, like, step out?

I haven't seen the viewership statistics or the feedback yet, so I'm going to reserve judgment.

It goes way Back for when we first met.

Talking is natural to me.

So it sounds pretty obvious, but you're right. Just saying yes. I mean, I think when you ask me a question, my first response is always yes. And then maybe I try and back out of it. You know, I'd give you a chance to. To talk me, you know, talk me off the ledge, but there, yeah, it's a little uncomfortable sometimes, the unknown. But you're dealing. You know, if you're out there trying to promote your business, you're offering your skills, you're dealing with a bunch of people that are uncomfortable for one reason or another. And if you want to help them, then you have to be willing to be a little, you know, kind of off balance every once in a while. So why not say yes? Why not?

So good. And okay, one little piece of thing that they could do to tomorrow that could help them with this whole topic and what we're talking about. What would be what One thing.

Oh, you know, I should know better than that by now. I don't want more thing. Wow, look at that. Look at the time.

You can tell I'm buying time.

One, one more thing.

Like, let's say they only because people get overwhelmed. If it's like a lot of stuff, sure. Then listen anything. And this was the one thing. What would be like, you would do this or it could be something new. It could be the same thing, but something tomorrow. What would be your today? What would be something good to do the thing today?

I. I would search out a new podcast, somebody else's voice, either around your subject matter or something along those lines and give it a listen and you know, give it, Give it more than one lesson. Or if you have a. I mean, you can also look for the business people or the health care people that you admire and maybe search their name on a podcast and see, you know, when they've had an opportunity to talk.

Yeah.

Good. I love it. Thank you so much, Mike. You're awesome. I really appreciate you being here and.

Trying to get it in there. There you go.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right, guys, thanks for joining. So good to see you all. And don't Forget, tomorrow at 8 o', clock, Pacific Standard Time, I've got the founder of Pod Match. I cannot pronounce his last name, I don't think. Let me try. Alex San.

Felipo. I'm not sure that was butchered. Hold on, let me try to pronounce this last name very much better. It's at 8 o' clock and I will. I most likely have it in this group, so that way I know that it's going to stream properly. So let's see. Helping hosts and podcasts and me pronounce it right. Oh, yeah, I was right. Alex San Felipo. That's perfect. All right, you guys, thank you so much for joining. And do the thing. Don't wait for opportunity. Create it. Bye.

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