Steve Muhammad 5-15

But it's possible that we'll be able to hear you. But you know that you're going to come through on my microphone. It's possible I can hear you on the, on the phone. So it's possible that, that your voice will come through my phone into my computer. We'll see. But most, the most important thing is we're just kind of getting this started. You know, I don't know what I want to do with this video, but I think that just in case this ends up being usable, I wanted to say that I have the extraordinary honor of having with me on this, on this call today the finest karate man I have known in my entire life, friend and family and mentor for so many years. Cjo, Steve Muhammad. So, Steve, what I kind of want to do is just kind of talk to you the way we usually do and just kind of see if anything useful comes out of it. Then we'll figure out how to do this better as time goes on. The camera isn't focused on you now.

Okay. I'm changing it around, trying to get comfortable.

Okay, that sounds good. That sounds good.

You still have that thing up there talking about something about the meeting?

Yeah, it's a meeting in progress. It'll probably go away by itself at some point, but if it doesn't, once again, once we, once we work it out, once you get somebody to, to help you with the, with your computer, that'll all be solved. So right now, let's just don't worry about it. It's just, it's just so good to see you.

Good to see you. Enough light on me? Because I can turn the light on.

I think you, why don't you turn some light on and see how that, how that goes? Yes, I just, I just stopped it for a moment, but now it's, it's, it's recording again.

Okay. That's the best light I've got. I put it on.

That's fine. So how are you today?

I'm doing great. Being, Talking to my friend, always.

Your friend, Your friend, your, you know, your student, your son. I'm all those things, sir. And I'm proud and honored to be.

I'm honored, my brother, that you are my friend.

Yeah, so, you know, we often talk about, you know, martial arts mastery, life, things like that. So, you know, the first thing I always like to do is to check in and say, and find out how you doing? Are you taking care of yourself?

I'm taking care of my, myself and my wife is taking care of me.

Sounds good. To me. Sounds good to me. You know, a long time ago we talked about mastery and I think that people are very interested in that topic because you're beyond the level of grandmaster. And your definitions of what mastery might be, I think are really, really important. So how would you define the term master? How do you define the term master?

Steve, when you have a fighting science, there are certain things in which you should master. Number one is the basics. And the basics never end. For the rest of your martial arts history or venture. As long as you practice, you should always practice basic. And along with basics come distance, angles, timing, targeting. You must master that in order to be a master warrior. Because everything that you do all day long has something to do with this thing coming and targeting. It doesn't matter what you do. You go through that process all day long every day. So when I put it into your science fight that distance, angles coming must be mastered. And in order to fight, I would say with the understanding of mastery, which means that having fear or doubt will not exist. You have the right science for fighting and you have trained that way. Fear adult will not exist in your fightings or anything that you do because you know and understand that I have a mastery over this fighting. Now I understand that age and because of my atrophy with the legs, I'm limited. But the minute my legs go weight hands became much better. And I found that if I still going to fighter, I must master the movement of the head, what they can do and what I create in my science for fight. So I have done that about the last, I would say when I was with Wesley I started feeling my necks and I started doing it then, which is maybe about 15 years ago.

What happened 15 years ago when I.

Was with Wesley, I started changing my science for fighting, for close fighting.

Is that because that was what was needed as a bodyguard.

That was what is needed because my legs started. I was finding that my legs were getting weak and I didn't know why they were getting weak. But I had what you call atrophy in my legs. That's from non use of legs because of all that I had done previously by being football, basketball, baseball, track, all that, then getting out of it, going to college, playing football, whatever, and then getting into the Marine Corps. And in the Marine Corps boot camp is pretty difficult. Very hard from boot camp I went into military seven months and went into recon. In recon I didn't know what was going to happen in recon, but I found out it's worse boot camp to me then I had to jump out of a plane. Steve, listen to this. I was scared to death.

How many jumps did you make?

I don't. I don't really know, but quite a few, because I started because I found that you get $75 a jump. I was making me some money jump, and you could jump as many times you want, and you got paid 75 per jump. So. But each time jump, I felt like my heart was going to stop, but I kept doing so. I knew that I had heart. And I just kept saying to myself, why do I want to jump out of this thing? And I kept thinking, well, $75 will.

Now you're talking about how understanding distance and timing and angles removes fear, which is very interesting in Spanish Circle. Are you there, sir?

I'm here, but something happened. Where? Oh, I'm back. Let me see if. Can you hear me?

I can hear you, but I don't.

See you trying to come back. It has. You can see where I'm supposed to be. Let me see. Has a big S where I was before. I don't know why it's covering the screen, but it is covering the screen.

Oh, okay. Well, if we can't get your picture yet, maybe. Maybe you'll figure it out. But keep talking to me about that. What I wondered was you said you kept jumping and it was scary. You also said that if you focus on things like distance and timing and angles and so forth, that you won't feel fear in your. In your fighting size. And that furthermore, everything you do all day long is a matter of things like angles and distance and timing. So could you. If you had had your fighting science when you were in force recon, would you. How would you have used that to eliminate fear?

Well, I don't know, because it's eliminated through. When you first go into combat. And when I first went into combat, I hit the ground, and I was supposed to stand and get superior. But all the guys that were new, we all hit the ground. And I would say it took me about maybe a minute to get up off the ground. But what happened while I was laying on the ground? I started thinking about the men that I trained with, the men that I'm with, that I gave my words and said I would give my life to protect them. And I wasn't doing that. So I got up, and I'm making it short, but I got up and I looked up and I saw the guy. Somebody had took my place because down on the ground, they thought I had been hit. So I started to get my get my way up. And I could hear a staff sergeant, which was platoon sergeant, saying, get up, Marine, and knock them down. Get up, Marine, and knock them down. I could hear everything. So I came up and I went up and bumped the guy that was in my vision. Oh, man, I thought you got zapped, which means dead. And I'm here. I'm going to do my job. And I got up. I didn't. I was scared, but I didn't have. It wasn't that feared. I was scared. Do you understand?

Yes.

That I could die any minute. And as I began to fight, the more I began to fight, the more I understood and didn't take away being afraid. Being afraid and fear is two different things. There was times they would tell me, we're going out in the field, we're going to do this with the enemy. And with the enemy, I felt something, but it wasn't something that would make me freeze and say, no, I don't want to go. I'm scared. I'm scared. Well, it's okay to be scared. You can die out there. But the minute I start fighting, I don't want that point of. I had no fear, nothing. I'm not afraid. I'm not anything. I'm gonna kill this enemy before you kill me. So.

So you're saying that when you focused on the aggression on. On fighting back, on killing the enemy, the fear then flowed into your dynamic action. So you were not experiencing any sense of freezing.

That's right. But see, you don't really know that. You don't know how to explain that. You just know. Now, I'm going to take care of business. I'm going to take this enemy, and I have no fear in going against this enemy. He will kill me. I will kill him. But like I said that even the part being afraid, it goes away that you're actually in physical combat. It may come back after physical comeback, or you may sit there and take and say the garbage I just went through. You know, I could have died. But the fear, what, I could jump right up out of that spot saying, man, I'm shaking, and go right back into combat again and calm down. Do you understand?

Yes.

And so when I say that the science that I teach will make you absent, absent almost fear. Now, it doesn't mean that you don't know something when you go into combat, but it means that you have the confidence to know now that I have the training to be able to go in the combat and possibly survive that. See? So therefore, as I began to start to understand that here. Now I didn't understand it as well in physical combat in Vietnam or somewhere. I didn't understand it there as I do now. But you have the ability to evolve into having no doubt and no fear. Do you understand? And when you have no doubt fear that I have trained and the whatever comes in front of me, even if you die, you have no doubt and no fear. That's a hell of a person to come up again.

Yes, it is, sir.

Because he's gonna fight you until his last breath. And he's going to be at the field because he has trained over and over and over and over like nobody else probably. And when I. Every time, the last fight I had, I was 75 years old, going up against the. Appeared to be in his middle 20s or something. And the thing of having fear, it didn't exist when I went over moon to fight him. And another thing, Steve, is that I didn't feel my legs like. Like when I'm just walking around, I could feel my legs. I couldn't feel them like they would f to me in my movements. But it wasn't that I was thinking about k. Like when I moved and got close to him, I knew exactly what to do because I had it. When the guy throw no ball, hooking him, any back kick, it was about beating him down to the ground. And you beat him until he. He lays down ground. We call it making him look up.

Making him look up.

That's right. So when you have that and you get ready. My son had it. The one that got killed. Yes. My children had in them. I instilled that in them by talking to them and demonstrating and telling them how you should feel, what you should feel when someone talk about I'm gonna beat you up. And I said I trained too long and too hard just to get up. It doesn't exist in my mind.

You've trained too long and too hard just to get beat up.

That's right. And when I. When I stand in front of someone that the thought of losing, quitting or having doubt does not exist in my mind, my heart, nor my weapon. Science. If there is doubt, there is no doubt. Hell, I'm going to make. I'll find another way. And there is always a way that is always in my mind when I get ready to fight and I've learned techniques that can devastate you. If I hit you, I don't care what size you are, I will be able to devastate you. Because I have, in my science, I have distance, angles, Timing and targetings, all four of those must work at the same time. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Yes sir.

When I see you, I see the distance that I am from you. I see the angle in which I'm going to strike you, the timing in which it for me to get that weapon to the target, see the target and all that at one time. And when you have developed the power to go with that brother, brother Steve, then you're you become an unusual fighter that can damage and damage every time you get. If I hit down with my fist, even with my leg supposed to be, I will damage you. No matter where I hit you, I will damage you. Do you understand what that does to a person that can't do that?

Yes sir.

That he just hit somebody, he might fall down, get up and fight you some more. They you should not allow him to do that. You should immediately when you hit him. And you can do that brother speed. And it takes away fear, doubt. And it's all made for close range fighting. And people say I don't let anybody get close to me. Fight me. That way you, you be able to. The minute that you swing on me, I can close the distance on you. Do you understand?

Yes.

I find that most people almost you get close to them, you don't know what to do. So they try to push you so they can get distance. That's why I have a distance. If my distance is too far, my distance is too close. I can even change weapon to create that distance. I use footwork to create that distance. So I'm never out of pocket when it comes to striking. I will create the distance by footwork or hand manipulation whichever way I do it, or shooting up and down. If I say my power is in close inches from opponent foot to foot or either. If I, if I keep in the and I leave my hand out and I'm my hand is six from your from your stomach or from your chest where I hit you at now in order to generate 100 of that power only 12 inches. So I will either send it down 6 more inches or send it up 6 more inches to get that published fighting sign of 12 inches. You're never off. I'm never too far. I'm never too close to you.

Yes sir. You have demonstrated how you get that additional the 12 inches by punching down to the groin or by uppercutting. You've demonstrated that many times. It's devastating, sir.

Oh yes sir. So that's why I say that close range you can send all and every weapon that you can think of and create. And 12 inch fightings, you can't do that anywhere. The father you are away from your opponent. In this medium range, there's long range, medium range, short range, long range you cannot medium range, you cannot do it. Short range you can, you can send a weapon in which you can create.

Or think how do you create power at that range?

By shooting the angles. Every time you hit somebody or move or miss him, he creates an angle. When he creates an angle, if it's too close, the angle that is there may not be any other angle. And I'm just saying. But there's always other angles when you're fighting. But the one that you tried to create, he moves his head back a little bit to put in what you call insert. And when I put in the insert, he will give me 12 inch frightened. Even though he may change the target and the target goes somewhere else. I'll get that truck. So there's never not a way to get to 12 inches. And next time I see you and we have some people, get somebody to show you that I get 12 inch fighting sign sometime. Every time.

Oh, that's amazing. 1212 inch. 12 inch fighting science.

That's right. And I use different parts of my body and there's no angle that he cannot go to, that he can't go, that I cannot attack him. Even by taking my shoulders left and right, I can attack it full power from either way. And it doesn't matter what foot is in front or what foot is behind. I can manipulate my feet into a position for 12 fighting signs and sometimes manipulate them without you even seeing it. Because it will slide along the floor either forward, left or right, front or back. I can find my foot at an angle or in a way where it doesn't just jump back where you can actually see it. The brain actually fast movement better than slow movement. Do you know that, brother? No.

How do you mean that?

Yeah, the brain can actually pick up fast movements, but you have to teach it. It's a fast movement better than slow movements. If you take your hand and stand in front of somebody's face, you, you can actually move your hand a little bit towards him and he'll never pick it up and say, oh, because of the way vision goes like a pyramid. And because of that, depending on where you're standing and you do it, it has to come in before the eyes can actually pick it up. Well, actually the brain picks it up. But when things are coming fast because of the speed of God, my brother, which is average, they're 24 being per second. It is created to pick up movements. We just don't know that because nobody teaches that. And even in Islam, they don't teach you that. It's created because you have to figure it out and understand that when you start, like if somebody moved their hand in front of you, you kicked your right or shift to your left, then how long did it take for you to actually see that? And you move, it was instantly. There was no delay there. The minute your eyes picked up that movement, you move that movement. Do you understand?

Yes.

And you're fighting. Remember I told you that I fought in a tournament. A guy hit me in the face. It's because I got too early, which meant that I saw the punch coming at a distance that I had never seen before. So I thought it was in place. I'd normally pick it up and it wasn't. So when I tried to block, thought it was there, it hadn't got there yet. So I got hit in the face. But the next time I experienced it, I didn't experience for maybe months later, was that this guy threw a reverse punch at me. When he threw the reverse punch with the right hand, I stepped inside of his right hand to at that time, what we call a back knuckle, because I didn't have that kind of strength. I shot a back in a reverse M into his body. And the people in the audience went crazy. Wow. They were screaming. Did you see that? And I'm thinking, what are they screaming about? I just did a front end of the back end. It didn't mean anything until I realized they said, man, you stepped out of that blow. So in order for me to step inside of that, I had to what? I had to see it in order to step inside. Do you understand?

Yes, of course.

And he didn't have. He didn't have, you know. And back then, he didn't do a step through. Like, you have the right foot back and you punch with the right hand when you step through. He didn't do this. He in a reverse punch with his backhand, which would be like a right punch back, left hand is forward. He just did a step out to the side and threw that punch. I stepped inside of that punch for the se. Which me, I had to see that much farther distance back in order to be able to step inside, to be able to block that blow. And the thing that I don't know, brother Steve, about fighting and how to present those weapons to my opponent is totally. When I was fighting at a Tournament. I was just another fighter in the tournament, but. And I knew that I wanted to become a master in fight, but I never knew how to become a fighting. But as I began to. There's a brother by the name of Mozzie Taylor. You probably know him.

No, the name doesn't sound familiar.

Yeah, he's one of the fellows that came up in karate that was one of my students.

Okay.

And I was at the 109th Street School. And he said, come on, let's move a little bit. And I was moving with him and he was throwing blows, and I was blocking those blows with my forearm like 52. He was hitting me hard. I said, mother. I said, why are you spinning so hard? He says, oh, I wasn't trying to hit you hurt. I said, I didn't know. He said, I didn't hurting your arm or anything. I said, yeah. I said, mazzy, what kind of are you throwing me? He said, this is called parking.

It's called. It's called what? I couldn't quite hear you.

It was called torquing power. Torquing power, okay. Torquing power. Which all of us do when we hit. We talk. Yes, but he done it different because he. It wasn't that he was fast, it was. He was hitting the impact to feeling in my arm and feel my arm going into my waist or into my side. That's why I stopped it. And he. I said, can you show me that? And he showed me, but I didn't understand. But it must have took me, oh, man, 20 years later to start understanding what he was doing. No, no, it wasn't quite that long. No, it wasn't that long. But to develop manner in which I'm developing today, about that long. But when I. I got hurt as a police officer and they gave me three months off and he had shown about his talking, I went and to learn or teach myself how to talk. I knew how to talk, but not like what he was doing with that type of power. So I kept training and training and training until I got into a fight. And when I got into a fight, I said that I'm gonna put my hand, my face. If that guy moved, I'm gonna slap him in the face and bury my hand into his body because I had started getting bad and I started putting some torque into that. So when I did get in a fight, I did exactly what I said. I got in front of this guy, and when he came down the fight, I slapped him in the face and I hit him in. I hit him down at an angle into the solar plex. I'm fighting on the street. That's why angular power, but also talking power. But to be able see angle and attack those. And from head to toes can be attacked if you have the weaponry to attack. So I started fight when I was fighting in the and I had a chance to put my hands up and fight with somebody. I was always devastating them. When I hit them, I actually hurt. And all of them when I hit them, Steve, it sounds when I hit them and I went, whoa. Am I actually hitting hard? I didn't know that I was hitting. But the more important was that I was targeting them. You understand?

You were targeting them?

I was targeted. I hit specific place every time. Like I could slap you in the face and then slap you with a whipping type motion down your arms, stop you before you bend over too far and with an uppercut. I'm creating those things. Do you understand? I'm creating angles. I'm setting you up. I've also slapped you in the groin and hit with a L elbow, forearm false angle my body. If I hit you in the middle of the right, your head will fall towards that right shoulder because that's what if you're at that, it will fall towards the ankle. When I which I hit you, I just took the head as it come down towards me and banging across my left side. You understand what I'm doing?

Yes.

And when I did that, I had put my bang across. I had put my left hand towards my right shoulder from banging it across to my left side. Then I hit him left, right, quick movement, real quick. And stopped. Stopped his shoulder from turning too far and hit back up into the body from that. I'm controlling him as I hit him and I'm hitting angles every time. Every. I didn't hit him up into the shoulder. When I hit him up. Step back rather than turn like he was supposed to. Well, because he didn't turn, hit him in the shoulder. I just. From that same six inches, I dropped a palm into his shoulder. I only dropped down. It was lower than my chest. So I was able to shoot that. I'm seeing angles. As I saw an ankle drop down on his shoulder. He actually squatted a little more. I bumped his head with the same left hand. I just bumped his head out away from me, straight in front of me and cracked this jump with the right hand, hit him with the left hand in the face. He stayed at the same height and a firearm. His shot down at angle and broke his jaw. Whoa. I was learning how to fight and how to hit and how to break. I can hit anybody in the jaw. If they're at the right angle and the right height, I will break his jaw. I don't give a damn if his head is wide as his desk. If he got a job, I can break it.

Yeah, and you need to have that confidence too. You need to believe that you can. If you hit him, you can hurt him. If you don't believe that, your fighting science is not going to be very good.

But, brother Steve, the way I proved it, I repeated it over and over and over and over and over again. That's not. That's not hell, that's a fact. So I say I hit you in your job. I could break it. I can. I know the angle in order to hit. It's the same thing with the ribs. I know every spot on your body, and the position of your body can tell me whether you're overweight. If you're overweight, the angle in which I can hit you to penetrate down into the, say, the rib cage from the back of the. And the higher I go into the rib cage on the back, the skin there, so the cushion, that flow that I hit, plus I'm going to hit it at an angle. Never up and to the back, always at an angle, even around underneath your arm. I can tap your arm forward and get you this. If you bend over, I can now hit the left of your body, which means if you're not really fat or something and you bend over, your skin becomes tighter. Therefore I can penetrate that skin down. Do you understand how? I've studied the body.

Yes, sir.

I have absolutely the body to know a big fat guy and a small. But I can shoot it down into that guy and put him on the ground. Shooting up into him, I can hurt him. If his stomach is real big and I'm hitting him in the stomach, it's too far to get to. And your hand is not going to penetrate the meat that's on his body down the bone. So you have to find out on thin people or muscular people how to hit them in order to damage them. I have spent 60 some years now in the science, and that is one thing that I know and understand. Even with the problems I have with my leg now, the fear factor is not there. Getting beat up is not there. And I know that I'm at an 80s now where that can happen. But it hasn't gotten to the point where I believe that it is right.

Let me ask you a question. You had enormous extraordinary clarity in your movement and your perceptions in the martial arts. How have you transferred that into business and relationships? How does the mastery of the martial arts. How did it help you in those other arenas? You know, love and money?

Well, I think that that was mostly luck in the beginning because Big Cliff, he guarded me and protected close protection or protect service by having me to move with a prince from Saudi Arabia. He saw something and he didn't know it was Muslim, but he saw something in me and said that there was something in me that was very likable, a very likable guy. Because I didn't. Because I was. I didn't join in, talk about the babies and stuff like that. I just sat there because I had to be there. So he asked, he said, who is this guy? You know? He said, that's my friend, you know. He said, that's the only one I can call on when I have a client like, you know. And he heard somebody saw me. We were up in Las Vegas and they yell, assalamu alaikum, big black. I turned and I said, walaikum salam, soldier. It was a guy that I knew that was in the Nation, that lived in Las Vegas. And the press found out that I was a Muslim. I shouldn't be saying this, but maybe I shouldn't be saying so. I'll just. I'll leave that alone. I'll drop that.

No, I'm sure that made a difference.

Oh yeah, it made. It made a difference and dealt with me how he talked here. I made some extra money. It could have been hush hush money, but I forgot my train of thought. Brother Steve.

No, you were talking about how your manner of carrying yourself won the respect of the prince.

Yes, it did. Because he didn't see me being idle or, you know how we are when we're. We're just in the street, right? He never seen me do any of that. And I was always, you know, he would say, everybody should vote except for one of you. You know, you can go out, party and do whatever you want to do, but one of you have to stay. Well, that was me. I stayed because I wasn't doing that right. So I would say, he would always come to the room. Now, Uncle. Oh, you, you're the one going with me. He says they put you here. All he said, you know, just sitting here waiting on me. I said, oh, no, that's my job. So he started for me when. And then he started calling. I want that guy sleep to go with me. She didn't know that I was a At that time, until I said I'm alaikum to somebody, that's when he realized and that's when he started to treat me even better than what he did before. He wanted me to be with him all the time and you know, and just be real sure. No, I understand that too.

You know, I. I think that I have a feeling that everybody should aim at being really, really, really good at something in their life and that once you find something that you're really good at, you can actually use that as a foundation for everything.

That's right. Yeah, that is true. But I haven't gotten a lot. I've got a. In close protection, the martial science and dealing with. I stayed with him 10 years and I protected him 10 years. Wesley, Wesley. I got a United States congresswoman, which is Cynthia. I stayed with her for eight years. So that was 18 years after I left Wesley. I was still working and I learned a lot in my ability to protect them. And the senses that you have, almost the same as being in the military, you can sense that, the possibility of danger. And when you sense possibility of danger, then you do. So you're not going to walk into danger. When you, you think that there's a possibility, you don't know it may not. May not have been there. Because hell, you don't go check to see and not, not with me. I didn't go. But there are clubs that I go inside and I look inside and I go back and say, well, this is not a place that I could have you. He said, brothers, if you think not, we don't do it. And that was a good thing. When I tell her about something, it's not right, we shouldn't be there. He said, we'll go somewhere else. And I think that those kind of things, we should all experience that. And I think the most experience I got in when the point man would come back in combat and say, I don't have a bad taste in my. I don't see nothing, I don't hear nothing, but I got a feeling that the enemy is there. And Lieutenant Daniel said, that's good enough for me. We'll make another one. We do something, we may find out a month later. And if you guys went that way, you would have run. It's 13. You would have ran into my 60 enemy soldiers.

Wow.

But we listen to the lieutenant, listen to how you feel about it.

So that's. You're talking about instinct, your feelings.

That's right.

Well, how do you develop instinct?

Oh, you develop them in combat now and if you fat enough, you could develop them here on the street, brother Steve. You can walking down the street and all of a. You stop and you kind of walk up into the street a little bit or around the car and look around the corner. There's a guy standing up on the wall corner with his foot on the wall or something. He may not even know or even care that you're there, but you felt it. Do you understand?

Oh, yes, I've had that. I've had that happen, no question.

So you adhere to those things when you feel that do something else. Because if you do what you feel that you should not do and die on that.

Well, Steve, I, I think that there is a huge amount here that I would love to, I'd love to continue this conversation next week and record it because I just feel if you can get somebody to help work with you on your computer so that you know how to go into Zoom there, it'll be easier for us to talk and see each other. I just feel, I felt for a long time that our conversations should be recorded and hopefully this conversation will come out, will come out well. But if you can just get somebody to help you with that, we can create a lot of good that people will be able to access for many years. Is that something you would like to do?

Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. I want them not only to know and understand that I have created a science for fighting, that you can realize that science for fighting, it has no concept at all. It is all actual facts.

I love it. I love it. So let's try again like next, next Saturday at, at 3:00 your time, noon, my time. And, and we'll keep trying this until we can make the connection solid and then it'll be easy. So does that sound good to you?

Yes, sir. I'll try. What I'm going to do, if it's every weekend, I'm going to get brother Brian to come over and hang out, whatever you ask him.

Well, that'd be beautiful. That'd be beautiful. So listen, I'm going to say goodbye right now and I just, you know, thank you so much for your time and energy and wisdom and, you know, please give my love to your beautiful family.

Oh yes, sir. And I get so excited when I talking about fighting.

I just love, I know you do and I want to, I want, I want to start getting more of these stories from you and I just, you know, it's your gold, sir, your absolute gold. So please take care and I will talk with you. I'll talk with you next weekend.

Next.

Next Saturday. Okay.

And something I may say I've not want out there, brother Steve. So I'll let you know, okay.

If there's something that you want, that you want, you don't want said, we'll work out to be able to edit that out.

Okay. Because there's things that I may talk about that shouldn't be said. Really.

I understand completely. Is there anything you said in this conversation that you don't want out there?

Just about the prince.

About how he treated you better when he found out you were Muslim.

Oh, no, no, that's fine. It was something, if you, you may not have put it down, but it's something about his action as far as being a Muslim.

Yeah, I don't think, I don't think you said anything about that. I think you, I, I, I'm pretty sure you didn't say anything about that.

Yeah, I think I stopped.

Yeah, you stopped. So you take care, sir, and I'll see you next week.

Okay, my brother.

All right. Bye bye.

Bye bye.