How AI Agents will Streamline and Eliminate Manual Work for FP&A Professionals with Albert Ramos

There are tools that can reposition accounting team members, FP and A team members right now potentially replace a lot of the things that we're used to doing and taking a lot of time doing. Albert Ramos, a seasoned finance leader. An AI powered fractional CFO with over 15 years of experience managing $200 million.

Plus in revenue, leading 300 plus teams.

Albert is here to break down the future of finance, AI and what it.

Means for FP&A professionals today.

There's agents are creative right now that can do a lot of the that we're used to doing which is exciting. That allows us to be more creative, be an advisor consultant to those decision makers in our organization.

Great FP&A what does that look like to you?

Great FP and A really helps bring some value is the insights like okay, great, now what? Now what do I do? And really get through the hype, right? Get through the noise and talk about what's practical, what's applicable, what can we execute on.

I'm giving you a magic wand for one day. You can change one thing about FP and A what are you changing?

We all love this stuff. We love it. We can go line by line and we can build, build, build and create models, right? But I really do think.

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Thanks Paul. Such a huge fan and I'm so grateful that you allowed me to come on just to share my insights and have a good conversation. So thanks. Thanks so much. I'm super excited.

Of course I'm looking forward to the conversation, you know, I'm glad you're able to come on. And we were able to make it work so our audience knows. Funny enough. Commented on a LinkedIn post from Jack Sweeney about the show. And Jack's like, yeah, I only have CFOs or whatever. And I jokingly said, hey, I don't have any requirements like that. I'll, I'll take different guests. You can talk to me. And Jack kind of laughed. That's how this started, right?

That's right. I'm a huge fan of Jack's as well. I listen to both of your podcasts. The fact that we were engaging and chatting back and forth on LinkedIn was, was a big mind blow blown for me. So I was super excited to spend some time with you and get to chat about what we were thinking about and that was too funny. But Jack does listen to this. I'm sure he will. Jack, I'm a fractional cfo. Of course I meet your guidelines.

Yeah, I've got to know Jack a little bit. Great guy, great show. Cfo, thought leader. All right, so a little bit about Albert, then we'll jump into some questions and have some fun here. But Jack, if you're listening, I'm not a cfo, so you can't have me on your show. All right. Albert Ramos is the founder of Stratego Intel Consulting. If you like that game. There you go. An AI powered fractional CFO and virtual chief AI officer firm. Powered by White Glove AI, Stratego specializes in wellness and fitness franchise SMBs as well as corporate and private equity owned companies. Albert helps organizations leverage AI driven financial strategy. You're not getting a trend here. We might talk a little AI today. Cash flow management, KPI dashboards and bank investor relations to drive efficiency, execution and sustainable growth. With 15 years of executive leadership spanning finance, operations, sales and technology, Albert has led teams over 300 members large, a combined location count of 70 locations, in a portfolio of over 200 million plus in annual revenue. His expertise extends across publicly traded private equity backed and employed owned organizations where he has led AI automation, FPA financial modeling, M and A strategy and large scale business operations. How does it sound? Listening to it? Does it make, does it make you sound good? You're like, wow, have I done all that?

It's a mouthful. I'm gonna go edit some things to shorten it up. I was like, what? Is that what I've been up to?

All right, well, it sounds impressive nonetheless.

I appreciate it. It's a lot of fun.

All right, we're gonna start here. Great fpa. What does that look like to you? What is that?

You know, I think it's evolved. It's a great question because I'm seeing a lot of chatter around the accounting side as well as the FPA side and, and where I think FP and A is going or is currently at and going. And what would make great FP&A is predictive analytics. Right. We obviously all know and spend a lot of time in modeling and forecasting the future. I think that's still really important. But where I think great FP and A really helps bring some value is the insights like, okay, great, now what? Now what do I do? And I think a lot of people in our space that are finding some success. Success or climbing up the ladder, finding a way to be an advisor and a consultant. I'll bring that up quite, quite often probably today because I think that's where it's going. A lot of what I'm seeing with the tools. Speaking of AI, I'm finding that a lot of our FPA leaders really need to step out, away from the computer and the model and tell the C suite executive, here's what you need to go do. Here's what's next, here's why it's important.

I agree. I think, you know, great FP and A. Great. You're serving as a strategic business partner for senior leaders, whether that be a business unit leader, the company as a whole, the head of it, whatever it might be, depending on who you're supporting. But that's really, especially as you get more senior, that's what you're doing. You're helping the business. As one person put it. And I love this, I've shared this many times. It comes from Stu west of Grammarly Finance. I think it applies to FP and A is about helping the business make better, faster decisions. Three words, better, faster decisions. And I'm like, okay, that boils it down really well. We're a strategic partner at the end of the day, or we should be. If not, we're selling ourselves short.

Yeah, it's a good point. And I think to add to that, the choice of whether you choose to be that timeline is starting to shrink. The tools that I'm seeing right now, and I'm, I'm, and I'm talking not over the last six months, I mean today, the last couple of days, there are tools that, that can reposition accounting team members and FP and A team members right now, and even potentially replace a lot of the things that we're used to doing and taking a lot of time doing. Right. We love doing it. We love our models, our budgets, our forecasting, etc. But I'm seeing tools right now from not just AI and what we most mainstream knows of it or your agentic workflows, but there's agents that are being created, are created right now that can do a lot of the things that we're used to doing. Which is exciting because again that allows us to be more creative and be a thought leader, be an advisor, consultant to those decision makers in our organization.

Yep, agree. So share with me an example of when you have seen great FP and A in action. So can you share an actual example? You kind of describe what it means to you now? I want to see an actual case.

Yeah, for me. So when I go into organizations, one of the big things that I look at is not just cash flow, but all the different variables within it. And so when I've seen great fpa, well specific to modeling, it's always around pricing. In the space that I work in, quite often in the wellness and fitness space, I find that the pricing strategy is kind of the look over the fence competitor analysis. And sometimes that works. But I think when you get mathematically precise and actually create a model, a scenario based model showing when a price point is X or a price point is Y, here's what your volume or mix will be, that's where I see a lot of value in what we do specifically in this space, but in other industries as well is lifting up the hood. Taking a look at the pricing strategy, what you'll find in most cases we have a lot of passionate leaders and owners, franchise owners out there that are really excited about their product or impact in their community. But when it comes to the financial arm, and specifically in this topic, pricing, sometimes it's just whipped pencil whipped, I guess you could say. And it's not really mathematically thought out. And so that's where I've seen a lot of great work that leads to, as I mentioned, cash flow growth and business growth overall into the bottom line.

Yeah, you know, funny enough you mentioned pricing because probably almost five years ago now I did a poll on LinkedIn saying who should own pricing and one of the options was finance. And most people responded with yes, finance should own it. But almost all the comments were against finance. Owning it's kind of funny. I think it's an area that's often underutilized strategically in companies and it's an area where FPA can have a role Right. I mean it's a multidisciplinary thing. But I've seen so many areas where pricing is just a mess and you're leaving money on the table.

Absolutely.

So it's a great area for FPA to help make sure the conversations are happening. Like there was a study done and this is in SAS where they found the average SaaS company spent more time on their janitorial services in a year than they did on their pricing strategy.

Yeah, big, big opportunity. And you know, the space that I work in when we're looking at, it's a subscription based model, so it's applicable to other industries. But you're looking at acquisition or retention attrition specific to functions of pricing. It's, it's important to be mathematically sound there and scenario, base it out. Right. Again, it can't be a look over the fence and let's just match what my competitor is doing. That's not the right approach. That's a approach and that, that could potentially be a variable, but not the right approach. If you're really trying to scale and create a sound business and pricing strategy.

Well, I mean it's the holy gh, holy grail of pricing. It's where we really all want to be. You need to think strategic is value based pricing. Right. You want to base your price on the value you're providing the customer and trying to maximize the price you get for the value you're giving, whether that's low cost, whatever that may be, that can go across the entire spectrum. And if you're just matching your competitors, there's no thought for value. You don't know what exercise they did. You, you hopefully consider yourself providing more value than your customer. Maybe you're not, maybe you're strictly a volume play and that's why you're matching. But in general, there's no strategy to that. It's just I hope they did a good job because I'm going to go with what they did.

That's a really good point. And I think the consumer, the member, the customer. Right. We're far more savvy nowadays. Right. And if you take a look at a organization and you've had a bad experience maybe with their competitor, the organization that you're planning on, you know, having them earn your trust in business, you notice that the pricing is similar. It just, it can lead to actually devaluing your organization. Right. So if there's some sort of similarity there, well, they must be the same in what they offer. And I'd actually not spend that type of money, but maybe it's something at a premium and you notice the services are far more valuable and much different than the bad situation that I just encountered. Now we're feeling different, right? So, yeah, I think there needs to be far more strategy around pricing, specifically to this topic. And I think the FPA leaders and finance leaders should definitely have their arms around that. And so now I'm looking forward to all the, the hate, the hate mail, the DM's coming through. But yes, I agree, finance should own.

Yeah, see, see in my view is I, I don't care if finance owns it or not. I've kind of softened on that. They need to be involved. Everybody needs to be involved. I think it depends on the organization, all that. The key is the conversations are happening and finance is there to make sure the numbers make sense and to provide input. And sometimes that goes beyond just the numbers. I mean, if we know the business well, like you spend a long time in industry, we can provide real insights if we're really that strategic partner. But the key is that it's happening. One of the most popular articles I did is I wrote an article for CFO University about pricing and, and kind of how finance should think about it and how there should be a pricing committee. And it's been, I think two, three years in a row, one of their top 10 most read articles. Which just shows people are realizing how important it is, especially in an inflationary environment because everybody's scared about raising cost. As long as you can show value, most customers aren't going to leave. They understand they may not like it. I mean, nobody likes having their money squeezed and being worthless at the same time. Most people get that. Okay, yeah, if I just had to pay 20 more for everything, odds are this place is going to cost me more too.

You know, you made me. It's funny because switching gears a little bit know over the last year or so most of us have rode that. We've, we've, we've rode the inflationary wave, right? So as we think about volume, right, I'm thinking subscription based model, but volume price and mix price was a favorable one. We all saw it, right? We saw the 10, 15% lift like, shoot, we're doing great on top line revenue and flow through down that, that we're, we're on the top end of the marginal curve now, right? To squeeze out a little bit more is going to be difficult this year and next. And so it's interesting as we speak about pricing strategy, right? It's even more Important because you don't have a lot of room to go. So you really need to know, I mean, every cent and every little point, every little dollar is so important. So having it be mathematically sound is, is important. But, you know, so that's, that's a, that's an interesting topic. I've been chatting a lot about that is you're not gonna have too much wiggle room on the price. So how do you go drive more volume and, and especially in the retail side. I'm hearing this a lot. So interesting.

Yeah, especially retail. I totally agree. It's a really hard area. You have other areas where you can do add on services or add more value for that price increase. Because. Right. If you just increase prices, like you saw this a lot in retailers, some of them, they increased price and shrunk the size. Right. Okay. Consumers don't really like that. They're not stupid. I could tell. You know, some may not notice, but I know it was 6 ounces last year. Now it's 5.6 and it's a dollar more. So that leads to 40%, but inflation is 20%. Something tells me you're, you're winning on this. Right?

Knowing the audience and look, I know I come from the wellness and fitness space, but, you know, I, I enjoy a couple potato chips here and there. And I'm sure we're all, especially last year I was counting those chips for the money I was spending and the increase in price. I'm like, wait a second here. There's about a double do chips missing in this bag.

I think we all were. So let's talk, let's get back a little bit to fitness here. We'll move on from pricing, but I think we could probably spend the whole hour here on pricing. It's, it is something that's underutilized in companies. Finance should clearly be playing a role with marketing, with sales, with everybody. We're in a position to help strategically lead that. And I think there's a lot that can be done. I think we're both on the same page there. But you've spent most of your career in the fitness industry. Why, what is it you like about fitness? Other than maybe being healthy? I mean. But why the fitness?

Yeah, I come from a pretty athletic family background.

Ah, you're one of those. Are you like.

Oh, you know it. I'll tell you.

I'll.

And I'll explain a little bit more. I played basketball, baseball, and football. I played a ton of sports. Now pickleball, for any pickleball fanatics, out there. I challenge you. And, yeah, I played college football at a small little private school called Occidental College out in Los Angeles, Eagle Rock, California. And I just. I've always enjoyed athletics. And actually, I don't think we've chatted about this. I worked prior to getting in the fitness space, I worked for Extreme Makeover Home Edition, and so that was a blast to be in the entertainment space. Previous to that, my family and I were on Family Feud, and I did a couple things on MTV and all that, but I was driving by Fitness Studio and I just remembered the feeling of that athletic experience. And the rest is history. Over the next 15 years. I spent a lot of time on the finance and operations side in the fitness industry and helping people out. And so it's the lifestyle, it's that feeling of being around people that are looking to improve their lifestyle. I'm a big nerd when it comes to biomarkers as well. So it's fitness as far as movement, but then there's also the different parts of the ecosystem like nutrition, mindfulness, and in my nerding out case, blood, blood work and longevity. And so, yeah, I really enjoy it and my family does, too. We've made it a lifestyle. And it doesn't mean just going to a gym. It means being outside, riding your bike, hiking. You can't do too much of that in Houston because it's so moist and humid and hot. But we try as much as possible.

I hear you, and it's definitely a lifestyle. And as far as the Extreme Makeover Home Edition, you're welcome to come to my house and do one anytime.

I'm not Thai. It was a great experience.

I bet. Well, makes sense. You grew up in a very athletic family, did a lot of sports. I could see wanting to be around fitness. It's the lifestyle. And so naturally, it's an area you gravitate towards, you have an interest in. So combining kind of that lifestyle and the work you do, if you enjoy both of them, it's a great way to go.

Yeah, absolutely. You know, what I found in why I actually started Stratego was there's a lot of passionate people out there that have opened up their own fitness studio, boutique studio, or their executive leaders in the fitness, wellness and longevity space. However, they just lack that financial literacy. So, you know, my style has always been to serve and help others, and I just found a void there. And I thought, wow, I could really use some natural mathematical capabilities that I have. And obviously my passion for finance and help companies out there with, with Stratego and my consulting and it's been a blast because I get to be in that environment of wellness and be next to some very passionate, well known fitness gurus and leaders, but also help them on an area that's their, you know, their blind spot, their Achilles heel. So I've really enjoyed doing that. What's that?

I said I'm picturing, let's see. Jillian Michaels, Gene Simmons doing something.

Yeah, a little. Yeah. Watch out, we're doing something live next week. I'm just kidding.

I can't wait. I want to see it on LinkedIn and get live. Come watch Albert work out.

There you go.

And get your finance questions answered at the same time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

As an episode. So, you know, you talked a little bit about why you started your business. You started, you went full time in December of 2023 for that. You were working for others. I know you're doing some stuff part time. What led to the decision to go full time? Like, how did you know it was the right time? And this was the thing for you.

Yeah. So this fractional work actually goes back to 2015. It's so funny. It started, you know, post that and not that he's, he's irrelevant, he's still very relevant, but that Gary Vee wave of being a virtual coach and my wife hated it at the time I had my GoPro, I was filming everything. I wish I was still doing that. And so it really started there. But right around the end of 2023, I decided to take a risk and things just got quite busy and I wanted to make sure that I put my focus into my existing client base and those that I was serving and those that were going to need help, especially with this huge unknown or what has been causing angst, this artificial intelligence wave, and really get through the hype, right, get through the noise and talk about what's practical, what's applicable, what can we execute on. And so I decided to go full all in and dive right in.

So others who are considering that, right, the fractional cfo, advisory services, whatever you want to call it, there's all different terms. That area has grown a ton in the last few years. Years, because like, we hear about it all the time now in the finance space. And so I'm sure we have some people listening that are thinking, hey, I would love to go out on my own at some point. Any advice you'd offer them?

Yeah, I get a lot of those conversations and actually people DM me, I'm very open about let's have a virtual coffee chat. I send out my booking link. I love having conversations. There's no, you know, obligation or there's nothing being pitched or anything like that. I just enjoy having conversations like we have, Paul. And so, no, what I'd recommend is do your homework. Right? And really find in the feedback I've always gotten is have a good niche. Right. There's a great book by Peter Thiel, it's called Zero to One. And I've had some great mentors along the way that have reminded me as much as I want to broaden out and go to the masses, it's go an inch wide, mile deep. And so what I recommend to people is, first, do your homework. What is that niche for you? Right? And is there an opportunity to do both for now so that you have a steady stream of income and cash flow to support your business? Because there, There are a lot. There's a lot of noise out there that you should just go all in, and you can. And people have been very successful in doing that, and there's been a lot of people that haven't. It's very stressful. There's a lot of hard work. And when you're starting something from scratch, you know many people that are listening. No, it's, it's. It's not the rainbows and butterflies sometimes that you see on LinkedIn. There's. There's a lot of messiness behind the scenes. Yeah, exactly. Right. And so, you know, just make sure that you do your homework and you really know what you're signing up for. And if there is a support system, a spouse, what. What that partner, whoever, I'd have that conversation, too, because it can create some tension, and it definitely pulls on the relationship a bit because of the. The time allocation. Right. So I'd say do it, take the risk. It's such a great opportunity to do it today because of the tools that we have available, right? AI and GPTs and eventually agents, you're able to do a lot more with a lot less people and on your own. So it's a great opportunity to do it. And if you're thinking about it and it's pulling at your heartstring, look into it. Lean in there.

No, thank you. I appreciate that. Great, great advice there. And, you know, it's kind of funny. I get asked a lot about fractional CFO and that kind of stuff, and I tell people, I'm like, It's less than 5% of my revenue. And they're always kind of shocked, like, well, then what do you do? And then I have to, you know.

Kind of walk through it.

Like, I do plenty. Trust me, too much of the. Because it just didn't. For me, it didn't feel like I. Where I wanted to be long term. But I think it's a great area I do sometimes miss. I still try to do a little bit here and there to keep my hands, you know, doing the real work versus just talking to people. Because there's a difference when you get your hands dirty, for sure.

Absolutely.

All right, so now we're going to talk about one of your passions. You like to talk about AI. I don't know, like, I don't know if you're a robot or what it is.

It's not an avatar. There should be like a little. A little disclaimer. This is not Albert's avatar. It's me.

Yeah. Funny enough, there's a guy, Jeff Robinson, we interviewed him on Future Finance, and he has had his voice cloned. He spent hours and hours doing that. He spent hours and hours building an avatar. He does a podcast where he just loads the transcript and it does both sides of the conversation. It's his conversation just to test the technology. He has a live chat that's his voice trained on all his content on his website. So you talk that avatar. And he's invested in two of the big companies in that area and is combining the avatar and the voice cloning. And he's like, pretty soon here it's going to be good enough, people won't really be able to tell the difference. It's kind of like, you know, the images, right? Unless you really know what to look like look for. It can be really hard to tell if an image is fake or not.

You know, it's so interesting. I think the first wave, like, anything that changes, but in this tech revolution is the. It's the unknown, right? The anxiety that comes from just not knowing what the heck this thing is or how to use it. Now that many and not a lot, but many are using it right now. It's like, okay, what do I trust? What's real, what's secure? And so there's a big. There's there's definitely a big void when it comes to trusting what you're seeing. I'm noticing that a lot of thought leaders are now going live to showcase, hey, it's. It's really. It's really us, it's really me, and let's keep it raw and authentic. I'd imagine there's going to be an opportunity for those out there that want to and I'm sure there's tools out there that again offer disclaimer show that hey, this is, this is AI generated versus it's not. This is human generated. It's so crazy to think about but it's definitely a need for sure.

Yeah, no, I definitely think there's kind of, you know, AI is not going anywhere. There's plenty of places we can use it. But there's also you can never replace that human connection and there's something to said of hey, this is live. I'm really talking to somebody. Right, right. And there could be value both ways and there is value and they both have their place. And so it'll be interesting to watch of how we find that happy medium because sometimes it feels like there's way too much AI generated content and some of it is good and some of it is like spare me. Right. But that same with human there's people's content you read and you're just like even before AI came out. So it's how do we find that happy medium where we can embrace the change and maximize the utilization of the technology while still being having those authentic real relationships and being involved in things. I think we're all trying to figure out what that means for our industries and our jobs. And now a message from our title sponsor. Being an operator is not for the faint of heart. It often feels like you're jumping out of an airplane and building the parachute on the way down. CEOs, CFOs, COOs and FPA leaders can relate. That is why I joined Operators Guild. It's home to more than 1,000 of the most elite high growth operators in the world. Think the special forces for business scaling member side vaccination to over 150 in person events across all 25 global chapters. The modern startup founder, CFO and COO are really just multidisciplinary problem solvers. Which is why having the best problem solvers together has created the ultimate diversity intelligence of any operator group in the world. Operators Guild gave me the chance to meet my own personal board of directors people I can bounce ideas off. And their online form allows you to get answers from your peers as questions pop up like how do I run an employee secondary or what should I pay as a base commission rate on SaaS deals. I've made great friends through attending the highly acclaimed OG Summit. Join Operators Guild and access the Navy Seals of high growth business. Scaling a group by operators for operators. Learn more and apply at operators-guild.com, that's operators-guild.com and tell them the FPA guy sent you.

It's so funny with the tools that I'm using now and I'm able to do things a lot faster than I used to do, be far more efficient and productive. And that goes for my team and those that I serve. But you're right, there's something about a face to face, whether it's virtual or in person, human, human interaction and just having a chat, you know, as much joy in the, as much fun it is to have high utilization or efficiencies with AI and even talking to some of my GPTs and my bots and all of that throughout the day, there's, there's nothing like having a good time with, with. It's so weird to say a human colleague or human friend.

Yeah, right.

You recommend.

Well, you know what, and since we're talking here, kind of a little off topic, on topic, I guess. But you know, there's a, there's a guy who, he trained his, on all his data, right for his website and put his own agent out there. And I've been considering with over, you know, 100 podcasts that I have is should I train it all that and put something on my website where they can ask questions and get answers and just got to sit down, do it because right. There's plenty of tools to do that. There's so many different use cases for AI. We talk about the agents, we talk about finance, but you know, co pilot and hey, how do I write this formula? How do I do this analysis? To me, if you're not at least experimenting with it and finding ways to use it today, you're just setting yourself up for trouble.

For sure. You have to learn it, right? I mean the whole idea that these agents and now even currently GPTs will replace is very real. And I know I, I get in a lot of trouble sometimes on this topic because I'm not one to say, well no, we'll upskill and everything's going to be fine and rainbows and butterflies. I'm actually on the other end, not to the extreme, but on the other end because I'm seeing these things and as I lift up to the hood of organizations, you know, sometimes a conversation with a C suite executive or CEO or owner is well, do we need that position anymore? And when you look at these tools and see what it can do, the answer is no. So I think it's really important for everyone listening to this and to your other episodes that I've Got an opportunity to watch is step in, lean in, start learning, start, start getting that development. And if it's not through your organization because maybe they're a little bit close minded to this tech revolution, then go and spend time on Paul's episodes and others and doing courses and really learning these things because you want to think about how are you going to be repositioned. Kind of circles back to what we were originally saying on Great fpa. But I'll throw in accounting and all finance leaders is you need to start thinking as a business owner, as an advisor, as a business partner. The way we've done things in past, especially in finance, which is historically very conservative and likes to stay in its lane and do the same thing the way it's always been done. It's not the case anymore. It's, it's, it's been shocked and so, and it's, it's at a small level right now. As this thing becomes far more mainstream, things are going to significantly change faster. So you have to be prepared and, and lean in. You mentioned something right now and people are gonna. I'm driving my colleagues and friends and even clients crazy. I keep saying data repository, data repository. Everything that we do now because of AI, because of transcribers, because I can talk to my AI, GPT and bots is a data point. Everything that you do, I even use it in my personal life during my workouts. But the data repository that you can cure, right? And then you could ask questions to Paul. You have a ton of data and I would love to be in your brain, but to fill that amount of time of yours is impossible. You're way too busy. However, if I can go to something and pick your brain through a GPT or, or chatbot, how value. I mean, I would, we can talk pricing by the way, pricing strategy, but that would be amazing.

Yeah, no, I know what you're saying and I'm on, I'm not on the scale of hey, that jobs are going away. I'm more a little on the other side. Tasks are going away great. And if your job is mostly process oriented, it's at risk because if it's truly task driven, process driven, we're going to figure out ways to continue to automate it. I think most jobs are more than that, but there are definitely some. So I think more than jobs going away is what you're seeing is every organization and expecting an efficiency for having AI, which means, hey, we're not going to hire that next role when somebody goes, we're not Going to hire them. Yes. Well, some people get laid off, no question. We'd all be lying if I told you nobody's going to get laid off from AI. People already have and our jobs at risk. Of course the market's going to change. Things are going to change, right? When the Internet came, jobs went away and new jobs came when, you know, other things. Every revolution that we've had, the computer, it changes things. But you know, so far we haven't seen any that have been a net negative and have shrunk the jobs needed. It's going to increase productivity, no question. So it'll be interesting to watch how it plays out. I'm a little, little more optimistic on the, the job impact. But we'll all see, right? We all have kind of our different takes and it's crazy to watch regardless of how you, how you think about it.

Yeah, well, we'll see. I think the, the best hedge, right? And I loved listening to motivational speaker back in the day by the name of Jim Rohn. And I just remember his voice and he would go value, like how, how are you creating value in your profession? Skill set in the marketplace. And so that's my, that's just my suggestion, right? Wherever this thing lands, and it's probably going to land right, right in the middle as it typically does, is how are you preparing for some of this change and are you leaning in and creating more value for yourself in the marketplace?

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Exactly.

The more likely somebody is to keep you, the less value you give. Regardless of AI, regardless and AI, any technology, anything that allows you to be more efficient allows you to give more value. AI is a productivity and efficiency tool. So why wouldn't you use it? Excel is an efficiency tool. Right. If I went into any job and I start, I pulled out green paper and did my model, I'm probably not going to be there long because they're not getting value. It's taking me five times as long. You're like, you want me to read your green spreadsheet paper?

I miss those Excel.

Then come talk to me.

I miss those. There's just something about the touch of those.

There is something about paper I, I miss sometimes. I don't remember the last time. Now I picked up a newspaper, but I write.

I write my love letters to my wife and those, those spreadsheet papers. Just kidding.

Okay, now you'll, you'll laugh at this and we'll go back to another question I have here, but on Financial Modelers Corner. So one of my other shows, I interviewed a guy by name of Tim Vapon. He was the founder, co founder of Corporate Finance Institute. And a question I ask is, what's like the most unique case in your personal life that you've used a spreadsheet for? And he built a marriage tracker because Dashboard had all these questions, how their relationship was doing and wow, values and things. And I'm like, and how did that work? It's like, well, let's just say my, my spouse didn't appreciate it as much as I did.

Hey, some. Something worked. They're still married, so worth the effort.

They were getting. They were engaged. I think he said what he thought it was pretty funny.

That's risky.

So there you go. I mean, you can do anything in a spreadsheet. So I want to talk about when you and I chatted, you had mentioned, hey, my heart wants to talk about AI and you talk about you believe it can really help people manage anxiety and stress. Right. We live in a world that just continues to go faster and faster and can be overwhelming at times. So why do you believe AI can help us in those areas? I mean, maybe. What have you seen? How's it helped you there?

Yeah, I'm glad you brought this up. We chatted a good amount about this and actually, I actually prefer, when speaking about AI, I actually lean in here to this topic of mental health a little bit more than actually speaking about business and productivity and hacks and all of that. So back around 2015, 2016, I woke up in the middle of the night and I thought I was Having a heart attack at a young age, I'll just put it that way. And you know, over the next couple weeks or so after having this experience day after day, I realized that I was having panic attacks and didn't really feel like there was a lot of stress going on in my day to day building a consulting business and having a corporate job. But I guess there was and my body was, was firing an alarm off that I just, I guess I wasn't paying attention to. So later found out it was definitely battling anxiety as I found many do. And I've been very vocal about this in my corporate and consulting job. There's something relatable I think I can share with others that are emotionally available to chat about. And I later found after some of these experiences with panic attacks and all of that, I had a tumor, my pituitary gland. And I share that because sometimes I, well, I always recommend if you're having any types of issues with anxiety or panic or any type of, of body or mental issues, seek help. Right. And so I got it. I got to doing a scan as I mentioned earlier, I've nerded out on blood and I love scans too, maybe I'm a hypochondriac, I don't know. So I ended up finding it and you know, the rest is history there. But it's, it's my little story to share. Number one, just normalize it in corporate America or just in our professions, especially in the finance space as you're grinding out. And it can be stressful, especially with deadlines coming up in a executive leadership team or board or private equity firm that needs it yesterday. So I share that. But also too in relationship with AI what I'm really excited about, what it's doing today and what it will do in the future is offload a lot of that storage, right? That memory that we're, we're always downloading financial data points, numbers and it can be a lot. I mean sometimes my mind is just, or has, has just spun and spun because you have a lot of what I call quote unquote bullets flying at you, numbers flying at you. And so what AI is going to be able to do is just offload some of those things that you just don't need to store, you don't need to memorize, it can take care of it for you so you can have some free, free space to be far more creative or, and shoot, this gets me in trouble sometimes too is just have more leisure with your family and friends and not go so hard Avoid leisure. Are we in America? Yeah. More leisure or just more free time to do things that you're more passionate about instead of having to store all these things. And so I, I truly believe, and I know we didn't touch on this, but I, I tell people, I really do believe the time, technology and the inputs that are going at our kiddos as well as us has just completely outpaced the evolution of our brain, of what we use today. And so in a lot of ways, our brains are just going haywire. It's just so many data inputs. So I think AI is going to allow us to offload. And I'm really excited to continue talking about how AI actually helps mental health. And for those that are, you know, for those that struggle with that, reach out to me. I'd love to. You know, sometimes it can be isolating, especially when you have others around you that you don't understand what you're going through. And I don't blame them if they are not experiencing some of those struggles, why would they understand? They could try. But I remember reading a book called Rewire the Anxious Brain changed my life because I really got to understand the science behind the prefrontal cortex and the amygdala and what you do to reset your body when you're experiencing some of these anxious bodily sensations or panic attacks. But. And now using tools to again, offload some of the pressures and some of the things that you just don't need to accumulate over time.

I get it. So, you know, I appreciate you sharing. I am very open about mental health. I've talked about it a lot. I've lost family members to mental health to help. I share it on LinkedIn. I think it's very important. What I, what I think is interesting, there is kind of that connection of saying, look, use AI as a way to offload some of the information to hopefully reduce the anxiety, reduce the stress, reduce the. Trying to remember everything, but really using it to reduce stress, basically, and anxiety. And I never really thought of AI that way, but I think it's a, it's a good point and it's something we can all do because at the end of the day, we have one body. We got to take care of it and.

Right.

You know, mental health is real something everybody deals with. And any way we can find to help us be able to relax, reduce anxiety, stress, whatever it may be, is always a good thing. So I appreciate you being open and, you know, sharing that. That's something I'm. Like I said, I'm always Passionate to talk about. Thank you.

No, thank you. Thanks for giving me the space to be able to, to share this. And I'm hoping there's those that are listening to what you've chatted about on this topic and then what I just shared. If, if anyone needs any help, reach out. Right. You're not alone. Don't isolate.

Yeah. That's the biggest thing is we just need to end the stigma. It's right. It's okay. We are, we, we, we, we're all messed up. None of us are really.

I love it. That's true.

Things you never thought you'd hear on an FPA podcast.

You're all, we're all broken. We're all, we're all.

Yeah, I love the averages and all that stuff you learn about. We're here to tell you. Well, I'll leave it at that.

Yeah, Right.

Trouble. So, you know, kind of coming back to AI and bringing this back around a little bit. You know, I think most people are starting to experiment with AI, but what would advice would you give them if they're really trying to get to that next level and they're struggling to see the benefits and really figuring out how do I layer this into my processes and offload more to AI? Any advice you'd offer?

Yeah, that's a good question. I get that one a lot. So I'll share three things. Number one, I highly recommend before you start anything is document everything that you do. Some will call it like reverse engineer it or chunk it up. Right. Take a look at your workflows currently or maybe if you're in a position to do that for your organization, do that. Right. But manually, do it manually, do it manually, time it and document the resources that go into doing all of those. The next step or next piece of advice that I would give others is try one thing, right? If that means signing up for. And I don't even know if you need to sign up anymore. But for OpenAI, ChatGPT or many of us use Copilot. Right. Because it can live within the documents that we use, like Excel.

Sure.

But just try it out. Right? Experiment with it. Disclaimer. Don't give it any sensitive confidential information. I always have to throw that out there. But play with it. Then from there, once you get really good at the prompting or how to find what you're looking for, create or generate and get some amazing output from it. Then start taking a look back at that workflow that you did and find ways where strategically you can now use AI and next step is learning how to build GPT. Right. Which all of GPT is taking what chat GPT is or Copilot or some others and narrowing the focus. If I want an expert at fpa, well, I'm building a GPT for just that. Not finance in general. As we all know. There's different layers of the ecosystem there. But I just want an assistant that is FPA or an assistant that's Albert 2.0. I have one of those too. Right. So I call him K for somebody, but he keeps wanting me to call him Caleb and I'm like, Caleb, it's K. I need it to be quicker. So I've created a GPT for that. So I would map out your workflows and this could be your personal life too, by the way, which you know, you now have the ability. There's a great tool out there and there's so many great tools. Speaking of tools again, but plot AI, it's 24 hours that it's powered up and you can literally transcribe and record everything that's going on in your life. And you're obviously chatting through it. But it's a, it's like a real life diary for those that don't want to write anymore. You can speak, speak to. There's a power. There's power and voice and what you're doing every day. But then you go back to that data repository of your life and you can start to see some inefficiencies or where you can be more effective or spend better time. Do the same thing in your personal professional life. Then lean in one. One little thing, one step at a time and then get to learning how to build GPTs. That's not an agent. It's still more of a human intervention. If I tell you this or prompt you, then you give me. It's very different. Whereas an agent is more of an autonomous. It can. It has a little bit of human, human intervention, but eventually goes off on its own on how you've built it. So I would start in those little, little phases. But the real big thing is understanding a lot of people don't stop to reflect and map out what do I do all day, what am I doing all week, what am I doing all month? And then circling back with where you can strategically use and play place these tools.

You're telling me I should document my processes. Thanks a lot.

The good news is you already are.

Maybe not as much as you think, but I definitely get there. All right, no, great advice. I'm totally teasing you. We're gonna move into our FP A section. This is where I ask a couple questions. You know, kind of quick, relatively short answers, but we ask every guest similar questions. Number one, technical skill FPA professionals need to master.

What is it if you're not already there, and I know a lot are already, so this might just be a refresher, but for sure, predictive analytics, forward thinking, you have to be all over that. And that doesn't, doesn't mean modeling, but it also means data visualization. Get all over that. Learn the ins and outs, what's behind the scenes. That's creating your dashboards or your rows. You should be all over that.

Predictive analytics. I like it. I think that's the first time we've had that particular answer. I've had analytics. Usually we get Excel modeling, so I like it. That's a, that's a new one for us. What about that softer human skill?

Yeah. And I, I know you chat about this a lot and you're great at this is the storytelling. Right? So as we talk about being that consultant, that advisor, and that true finance business partner you have, we, not you, we have to work on our communication skills. So that means getting into a boardroom or in front of private equity or your leadership team, being able to communicate. What the heck does this all mean? And what I should do next is key. So there's great videos out there. I used to do that. I used to just watch public speakers and listen to their tone, their cadence, their tempo, and how they use pauses. You know, things like that. So there's a lot of material, including your podcast, Paul. I would watch Paul's episodes and just watch the communication style and how to storytell.

Thank you, I appreciate that. And I think, you know, great, great one to listen to is politicians and general politicians usually are very good speakers, regardless of where you are politically, I could care less. Right, left, whatever, middle, whoever you like. Just go out and listen to a few politicians. They usually have very good command of their hands.

That's right.

Pausing like one of the best ever at the pause for emphasis is Barack Obama. Excellent commun master of making a point and just being able to pause and hold it. And you'll learn the more you speak. Don't be afraid of silence. It's a good thing. Studies have shown, like some people like, well, I speak really, really fast. People hardly notice if you'll just pause even though you speak fast. And so that, that's my advice there. I think that's a great one. Last one. I'm giving You a magic wand for one day, you can change one thing about fpa. What are you changing?

I might get some DMS about this, but any type of model, that means people. I mean, the. Not the not so nice ones, the not so nice ones. And I'm like, wait, that wasn't me, that was Paul. All the, all the administrative, like the hours and hours. And I know we all love this stuff. We love it. We can go line by line and we can build, build, build and create models. Right. But I really do think, well, one, I've seen it, but two, I, I do think we need to get away from that and be more of those strategic business partners. I know we've mentioned that a couple times, but if I could wave a wand, agents and AI would completely take all that over and we'd spend far more time on human to human interaction, on insights and what you should go do next to drive better cash flow, to drive top line revenue and grow bottom line and margins. So I think that's where it's going. It may not be overnight, but I highly recommend people prepare for that and start developing their skill sets to be more of that. That business partner.

All right, so Albert's magic wand is going to say, we can't be the spreadsheet jockey nerd anymore.

I'm sorry.

Thanks a lot. I totally understand what you're saying. It makes a lot of sense. All right, here's the get to know you section. What's your favorite hobby or passion? If you have a free night, you can go do something you wanted to do. What are you doing?

You know, my wife and I are, are pre. Pretty much homebodies. I mean, we watch every single show. Oh, I could throw some great ones out there. But we also like going to the movies. That's one of our favorite things to do. But I was making her sad the other day because we got one of those meta quests. And my wife's name is Danielle and McDaniel. I think our movie experience going to the theaters is going to change here quickly, where you can be immersed in the experience and even be in the movie with what's going on in the VR space, which, by the way, is flying very low under the radar with all this AI stuff. You don't hear too much about VR like we were a couple years ago or so. But I think there's going to be some organizations like Meta that are going to make a killing there. Just think about what we're doing today in the podcast, and I'm working on testing Some things out. But imagine if while we're so far away, we can be in the same living room and those, those in your audience can actually purchase seats or just, you know, first come, first serve. Actually be in the experience in the virtual living room with us, in the podcast studio with us. That's coming.

Really interesting. Maybe, maybe I need to start buying some VR headsets for my guests and we'll, you know, send them out. We'll both be VR for our show. Who knows, Try something new. That could be interesting.

That'd be a lot of fun.

All right, what's the book you could recommend to our audience that they should read? A book you like?

Yeah, so it's not a finance book, although I have plenty of those. And yeah, so I'll, I'll give you one that just brings a lot of nostalgia. And I've read it over and over and over again because it just pulled up the emotional strings is Creativity Inc. But I believe by Ed Catmull. Or at least about. Or a co author, but it's about Pixar and their creative process. And so for those that grew up during some of those movies. Yeah, it's, it's great.

Yeah. I remember when they came out with the first Toy Story. Look at, look at the animation for that and then look at the, the ones I know.

It's nuts.

So that's a great one. Appreciate it. All right. As a child, what did you want to be when you grew up?

I would have these vivid dreams of flying helicopters. So, yeah, that, that wasn't a fan favorite to the parents, so it didn't end up working out. And I don't have those dreams anymore. But maybe in another life I'll be on some choppers for sure.

Yeah. Well, let me know how that other life goes.

I will.

College football. So we know you're a little bit of an athlete, but what's your favorite football team?

Oh, man. So I don't know if I should say this, and I'm sure they're going to throw me out of the house if I say this over in Texas, but I'm a big USC Trojan fan. Fight on my. Both my sisters went there and. And another went to ucla, but I'm a big USC Trojan fan now.

Where's the hang up button?

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

All right, so you're a Trojan. So you had a rough year.

We've had a rough couple years ever since Vince Young ran that football into the end zone.

Ever since Pete Carroll left.

That's right. Yeah, he, he strategically left.

You mean the fact he was going to get a show cause and a bunch of penalties were coming down the pipe was a good time to go to the NFL?

Isn't it crazy that and all things come full circle. Reggie gets his Heisman Trophy back. And it's just so interesting. The world is it. It's ever changing. You just never know. Especially nowadays, you never know what to expect.

You definitely don't know what to expect. We won't spend too much time there, so I don't bore our international audience. We do have a few of them. But last question, because this Sunday. So this will air after. So people will be able to decide if your prediction was right or not. Who's winning the Super Bowl? What's the score?

Oh, wow. Yeah, I, I have to go with Mahomes is what I call them. I. They're just on a run and I.

Wouldn'T bet against him either.

Yeah, he's just, he's just number one. You. You can't dislike the guys. Just, you know, you learn more about his family and when you see him on interviews and then just how he plays the game, hit him in Kelsey. It's just, it's really fun to watch. So they're on a run. They're a championship team. They know what it takes, so. But I still think it'll be a close one. 2114 Kansas City.

2114. I. I'm a big Andy Reid fan. I'm a BYU guy. He played at BYU. He started his coaching under Lavelle Edwards. So I'm, I'm with the. I'm going Chiefs as well. 27, 21 is my guess. So there you go. You guys can DM us on that. We'll go ahead and wrap up here. I think this is a great place to finish up, but thank you so much for joining me. Albert, if people want to learn more about you, you know your services, get in touch with you. What's the best way for them to do that?

Yeah, just come on LinkedIn. I'm on one platform. I love LinkedIn. Feel free to comment on post to get my attention or just DM me or connect with me there. It's Albert Ramos Jr and it's Stratego Intel Consulting.

And we'll put that in the show notes so people can reach out to you. Thanks for carving out some time today.

My pleasure. Thank you so much. This was actually, believe it or not, a dream come true. Thank you.

Well, what do you say? I make dreams come true? No, I shouldn't say that. Thanks for being on the show.

Al thank you.

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