Unfiltered AI Talk: "Don't Pass Off AI as Your Own" - Artist's Plea | Episode [19]

Here. He's like here. So his name is Kenji. So. Yeah, you can pet him first if you want.

Hi, buddy.

It's okay.

Yeah, that's a good boy. That's a good boy. Good guy. Yeah. Kenji is AI gonna kill us all. Cool. Hey, bud. Hey. Heel, heel. Yeah, good boy. Chill. So what are y' all's names?

Magnolia.

You can come over here. Great. What's up, Magnolia?

And I'm Jacob.

Jacob. Cool. So do you all think AI is going to kill us all? Take our jobs? Thoughts?

You go first to an extent. Possibly someday.

Tell me, elaborate on that.

Elaborate on that? Yeah.

What does that look like in your head?

Well, I think there's certain jobs that AI is going to be able to do better than us pretty quickly. And like for financial reasons for companies, it's going to be smarter for them to use AI. But I don't know if that's exactly a bad thing because I think there's gonna be other jobs like take those jobs kind of.

I see. Yeah. Yourself.

I think AI is gonna make us a lot more lazy.

We literally just came from doing our homework. Like let's be sober real here.

With a little bit of help from ChatGPT.

A little bit. A lot of help from ChatGPT.

Tell me about this homework session real quick. It's for a top of mind.

It was actually, it was for accounting, which is I think one of the premier jobs to be completely taken over by AI. Yeah.

That shit is so boring.

They're just raw numbers is complete AI territory. I don't know. Right now I'd say accounting jobs are safe, but within 10 years I think AI will be advanced enough to be able to crunch numbers consistently and analyze data without error.

Yeah. And do a better job than people and way faster.

Okay. I don't know.

I think the hard science jobs, especially psychology, I think it's going to be really difficult for AI to ever get a full grasp on human empathy. So I think like therapists will have a job throughout AI at least for longer than most. Yeah.

Okay.

And I think that it's like AI is only going to. It needs people to think for it to an for now. But I think that for. Especially when it comes to things having to do with human empathy and how people act is always going to need people to think for it. So any really face to face human jobs where you need to be able to read people are going to be safe for like the foreseeable future unless there's like a big jump.

Got it.

Okay.

Also, we should be Worried about, like including AI in centralized government and worried.

About doing it or not doing it.

I think we shouldn't give AI too much power because there will come a point, or there could come a point where humans are deemed, frankly a danger to the planet, which, to be fair, we are. But if we are done. Yeah, danger to the planet. But if AI decides, frankly that we should have a lot less freedom to do stuff like, you know, drive around all these gas powered cars. Yeah. If we don't retain power, then we run the risk of being put in small little boxes, which I don't know. Whether or not that would be a good thing is no debate.

Got it.

I think with AI it kind of becomes this like spiral of how far will it go where like, theoretically you could take it down that route of it's going to see us as the villains and us destroying the Earth and then like annihilate all human life. But that's, that's like if you go so far down this rabbit hole and if you can really do that with anything, it's like you can take that and go all the way with it. So it's really just kind of to wait and see. And also, as people develop new AI and new software, it's going to change as well.

Okay, so you talked about government. What if we had an AI president versus current president? Thoughts?

Well, it would depend who designed that president and what that president's goals were. I mean, I think that our current president should not be in power, but I would not say that replacing it with AI would be better or worse. Better or worse. I think it would just be very different and have a lot of different outcomes. But I definitely want to say it would be worse, but. But I would also not say it would be better.

Got it.

I. Yeah. Any AI or large language model or anything like that should not have like, de facto, like, should not be the highest power in the country. I think we should at least maintain some sort of regulation. But yeah, because another hot take.

What about AI companionship? AI boyfriend, AI girlfriend.

Oh, that's such.

Such.

That's.

No, it's not for me. If people are really that lonely and they need something humanoid to talk to, go for it. So Blade Runner is a sad movie.

Oh, yeah. Okay, so let's say you caught your significant other cheating with a real person versus an AI.

It would be worse if my significant other cheated on me with a real person. I think I'd be, I'd be, I'd be more. I think if my, if my significant Other cheated on me with a AI bot, I'd be concerned for their well being. And if my AI, if my significant other cheated on me with another person, I'd just be pissed.

Okay, so human pit. Same for you?

It's pretty much. I think the relationship would be over for different reasons because obviously I'm not gonna stay with someone who's like, cheating on me with another person. But also, like, I don't know. If you're in a relationship with someone and you're in a relationship with an AI, like, that should be like the absolute last resort. Like, you're stuck on like a deserted island, there's no one to talk to, you haven't seen anyone for decades. Then you can, like have conversations with AI if you really feel like it, if you're that desperate for interaction. But if you're like a functioning member of society, there's no real reason it should be necessary.

Okay, so what are y' all studying right now?

I'm a psych major.

Psych major. Okay.

Molecular biology.

Molecular biology?

Yeah. You can tell Both, I think definitely fairly safe. Not quite as much as psychology, but I think it'll take a while.

And what year are you all in?

We're both fresh.

Okay, so did you choose these majors? Thinking about job security due to AI?

It's definitely a factor.

I declared my major freshman year of high school because of other. I was taking community college classes at the time. And so that was actually when I started, like kind of picked that up before, like the AI boom. And so it was not in my mind at all. And like, looking back on it, I'm glad that's what I picked. And I didn't pick like a math, which was my other like, kind of idea of what I might want to study, because I think that would be a lot. Let's see, like, anything to do with numbers is not. There's no security in that right now.

Yeah, honestly, I originally went. The thing that, like piqued my interest in bio was that it was just my favorite class in high school. And I did more research to like make sure that that would be like a major where I would have, you know, relative job security. I do think it's fairly AI approved for at least for as long as I'm going to be alive and working.

Got it. Okay, so let's say you could say one thing to Sam Altman or Mark Zuckerberg or any of these people building AI. Thoughts? What would you say?

I think think about the people more than the money. Like put the people first, because when in doubt, your money's only going to get you so far. Like, you need us and you need our support. And if you don't have our support, you're not going to have anything.

And you.

Yeah, yeah, Just try to keep some humanity in it. And I guess, yeah, AI should not be like ultimate power. It should not be able to have access to everything. And yeah, I think they should make it clear that it's still, at least for right now, they should make it clear that it's still very much something that's in progress because people are taking AI information as like, de facto. Yeah, it's like as if they had read it out of a textbook.

Totally. So another question is, what if AI gets so smart, should they have voting rights?

No, no, it's not. It has no emotion, it has no feeling.

Yeah, the same. I think it should. It is definitely a tool that we can look at and ask for additional input. Just honestly, the way I prefer to use AI is as like a research gathering tool.

Yeah.

Or like, like summarizing and gathering research. And like, if I have like, you know, a paper on some event, historical event, let's say like a war in like the Balkans in the 1400s, I'll look up that war. I'll say, hey, find me some sources with a brief summary. I think it's a great tool in that regard. But yeah, it should remain a tool.

I think that it's also. People take it as the word of God in a way, is it's like chatgpt, you know, it's not actually like checked, it's not peer reviewed. You know, it's like you might ask ChatGPT a question and it'll give you an answer. And if you take that question, like, answer, and you use that in like, say, a research paper, there's nothing checking that answer. ChatGPT pulled that answer from other resources it found online and you don't know what that resource is. So I think really like remembering that no matter what AI or ChatGPT you're using to check that and to just use it as a kind of a source to find more sources and to follow like down that rabbit hole and not just take what's on top because it.

So keep your critical reasoning skills.

Yeah, don't just all bet what AI says. Don't just take it at his face value. Because one of my friends actually almost failed a class in high school because what ended up happening was he got AI to give him a bunch of sources and they turned out to be Completely fake. He didn't check. He didn't check. And they were about completely fabricated text and just. Yeah, stuff that didn't exist. And he almost failed the class because the teacher was like, dude, the stuff that you're talking about is not real. I can't give you credit for this final exam.

Yeah. So quick question. So I think about this a lot, but like, if you have a family someday and have kids bringing them into the age of AI, where it's now the apex predator kind of super intelligence world, thoughts on that? Like, how do you even, you know, grapple with that?

I think that if I were to have children in this day and age with where technology is and where AI is, it would, I would kind of. I wouldn't want to shelter them from it because I think sheltering your children from information and from where the world is is how you lead to these situations where people are using it in the incorrect ways. I mean, I would educate them on it and I would show them how it could be used as a tool, but I would also keep them from it until they were probably like 12 or 13, where they had, I would hope, more like reasoning skills, but also just keeping it like, kind of like you have like the iPad kids of today, right? It's these like 6, like these 6 year olds who have tablets and iPhones. And I mean, if I had kids, I mean, we weren't raised like that. My kids would not be raised like that flip phone.

In the seventh grade. I got my first actual iPhone in I believe, going into freshman year of high school. And I think it annoyed me in middle school and all my friends had really cool phones and I didn't. But realistically, it's probably for the best.

Better. I mean, I was in the same position. I had like a. I think I had. Yeah, Maggie and I had Nokias. We had Nokias. And I mean like, we were like so like not embarrassed, but it was like, oh my God, we have Nokias. Like, we can't be on. Can't be on group chats and all that. But like, it was definitely the right call because the minute you get that. I remember being in like middle school, being in like 8th grade, it sucked.

Up so much more of my time.

Oh my God.

Yeah, I. At this point we're so dependent on our phones that like, I don't know, I can only imagine the same problems exponentially more with AI because also AI. I don't know. It's kind of a difficult question to answer. Going back to the original, like, how Would I like be expected to live? Because I don't know, it's grown so much faster in recent years. It grows. I think every, every year that goes by, we get more and more progress. So it's, it's almost impossible to know where AI will be when, in like 10 years, 15 years from now when I'm having kids or raising kids.

So question.

Do you think could be completely like exiled from society? We couldn't decide this, like. Got it. Too terrible.

Last question. Do you think there is a non zero chance we die because of AI?

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

I wouldn't say. It's definitely not. I've seen like, some people say, like, oh, it's like the leading cause of global extinction. That's definitely not true. I still do believe that to be nuclear warfare, but non zero. Definitely high.

No. Okay.

I think that if you were to say that AI was going to make us go extinct tomorrow, I would. There's like a zero chance of that.

But I think that also two centuries plus.

Oh. And I think that also if you look at the way our world is going right now and how fast everything is moving, I mean, Trump was put in the White House, put into office in January, and the amount of damage he's done just between January and now kind of just puts that all into perspective because who knows, like that's, that's like eight months. Eight months. And we've had like so much change. I mean, and like, so who knows what it's going to look like in a year or like four years. So who knows what AI is going to look like in that period of time as well and where that's going to be then.

Okay, again, like going back to what I said previously, the key to avoid like basically death by AI I think would really just be keeping out of centralized power and just keep it as a tool, as a resource, not as something to rely on.

Got it. Okay. Interesting. Okay. Yo, this is so, so helpful. Any last minute things or shout outs or anything you want to give?

No, don't be a dumbass.

Don't be a dumb. Oh wait, message to the people.

Don't be a dumbass.

Okay, that's great. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. If you want to look me up, I'm the Robert TA on socials and then if you DM me, I'll tag you when my social team puts it out.

We just also, AI art is bullshit. It's stealing. Don't do that.

No, AI art is not. Don't use AI for bad.

That's A great. Okay, question. Last. Last question. So what do you all think about AI artists copyright? Tell me.

I think that that is something. I think that art is something that if you look back over the past, like, as humans have been around, like, as we have been, people, like, going back to, like, cavemen. Like, art is such, like, a central part of passing on information from, like, that's the only reason we know anything about cavemen. And I think that, like, God, I'm. My brain is not working right now.

But I get it.

But basically what I'm saying is, like, our artists are so special and so talented and, like, so gifted. And, like, taking that away from them for some, like, computer to take their place is just bullshit.

It's taking the human and the creativity out of it.

It's taking the creativity and it's taking, like, the soul and, like, kind of, like the passion out of it. Like, if you can push a button and have a masterpiece, then it's not a masterpiece.

Yeah. And, like, I'm fine with people using, like, AI. If you want to, like, create a graphic for a slideshow that you're making. Yeah, go ahead and use AI. Like, grab, like, an image of a person doing something. But, like, don't try to pass off AI art as your own. Because, frankly, yeah, it just the image. It's given a database of images and it'll co different, like, pixels parts from any given image. It could be from the most famous paintings. You could be stealing from the Mona Lisa for all you know. But you don't. It's impossible to know.

Yeah.

Okay, so AI art. Is that what I'm here.

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, we'll end it there. Thank you so much. And yeah, if you all want to find me on socials, DM me, I'll definitely tag you myself. I'll have my social media team reach out the Robert Top T H E and then Robert, and then ta. Robert. It's all one word. Robert. Ta. Yeah, be the first one. Yeah, same. Same handle and everything. Give me a follow DM me and then I'll tag y' all when this goes out. I'll have my social media to do that.

Thank you so much.

Cool.

Yeah. Take care. This really helps me. Cause I'm building a startup focus focused on eliminating existential risk. So that's why I'm interviewing people and just getting the pulse of real people. So I really appreciate it. Have a great day. Take care. Sweet. That was sick.