Insurers forcing surgeons to use specific bone grafting products - Mark Copeland on BoneChan #38

And they're driving, they're forcing surgeons to use something that I don't, you know, it's great to, it's great to actually talk to you here, Dr. Marino, but I don't know what, where you are, but like that's, that is something that's sort of a trend that disappeared that is being forced by an insurer. And I'm still not sure exactly why, but a lot of hospitals are pushing back on two major infus and the cell-based DBM saying, Hey, we're not getting reimbursed for that. We're not paying for that in certain patients. And there's this whole pushback from the health systems onto surgeons, which has almost driven people back into some of the demineralized bone matrix, which sell for— depends, like, I don't— but I think, I actually think you might have some silent salespeople in hospitals and health systems, and it's the administrators.