Storytelling is better than slides for your first investor meeting.

But I just remembered, I just remembered saying, I don't have any slides. Instead, I'm gonna paint word pictures in the air. And that's how I started. Slides versus no slides. I always think of that story and that was our first million dollar deal and it made our, it really made our year. So I, I believe you, Joe.

Yeah. And I mean, I will say I have seen it where people have gotten too bogged down in the weeds with slides and it takes like a week to create a slide deck and then it's sent out and they maybe glance at it for a second like, okay, there's pretty pictures there and don't think about it. And they're like, okay, just, just tell me what, what are you selling or what's your business? And that's more valuable than the actual slides. Take away the slides for the initial conversation. Have it one-on-one. Focus on who you are, what you do. You know, why you do what you do, what the problem is, and how you're going to scale and how you're going to be successful.