Embracing Fearlessness In The Tech World With Tom Frazier

So the biggest thing for me then was really the fearlessness. Like, you don't have to be afraid of technology. And that's something that stuck very early and to this day is you don't have to be afraid of technology. It doesn't bite you, can't hurt you. All your potential is built up from your experience, and your experience can only be unbridled if you have no fear. And so for me, that manifested across a range of technologies from security to data centers to crypto to all kinds of things.

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Issaquah, you got it perfect.

Awesome.

Thanks.

And his office is in a converted horse barn. So cool. Tom, I'm so thrilled to welcome you to the virtual campfire.

Thanks for having me. It's great. And you really nailed Issaquah. You got it perfect.

Yeah, that was a tongue twister.

It's a tough one.

You have quite an impressive background. And as I was going through your bio, there's so many things about it that I'm like, wow. Some people might not quite understand what a sustainable data farm, a data center is, but I know we're going to dive into that. And when you have a lot of cool things going on, there's always going to be some chance people are going to be like, what does that mean? Let's go dive in and find out more. So that's what we're going to spend time on is really getting to understand more about all the things you're doing in the world, but not so fast. We have to figure out first what brought you to the world you're doing, the work you're doing now. And we're going to do that through what's called flashpoints. These are points in your journey that have ignited your gifts into the world. And I want you to share some of those moments wherever they were in your life. That created the person I'm standing in front of right now.

So cool. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm not sure where to begin, but I think the earliest moment where I knew I wanted to be involved in technology was buying my father a 1-megabyte RAM chip when I was in high school. And it was like, that's the coolest thing. Like, this is such a huge, massive memory component for a computer. Like, it was this real sense of pride and Ever since I've been involved in technology and just loved it.

Yeah, it's really cool. I mean, you think about it, like how far we've come, right?

Yeah, yeah, 1 megabyte is nothing now.

It's not even a song, so it's wild.

Yeah, but I mean, that's probably my— and I was maybe, I don't know, 15 years old or 14 years old when that happened. And it's been great to see this transformation after transformation after transformation and I think one of the other flashpoints for me about getting here was I went to university in upstate New York in Rochester.

Yeah.

And I went to a school called RIT, the Rochester Institute of Technology.

Yeah.

And they don't really do fraternities like other schools. They have what are called special interest houses. And I joined Computer Science House and just seeing all of the innovation and projects that all these students were doing at Computer Science House. Really felt like magic. Like it was the cutting edge of the cutting edge of the cutting edge. We had a vending machine, like a drink machine that was hooked up to our private network in our dorm rooms. So you could log into the server and say, I want a Coke and make it drop in 12 seconds. And then you walk down the hallway and then bang, it spat out. And I just remember thinking like, oh my God, this whole internet thing is, it's going to be beyond anyone's expectations. And then that turned out to be true.

Wow. I just love that story. It's so cool. I wanna know more about like, where are you from originally? Were you from New York originally, or where are your family from?

I grew up in Arizona, so my whole family except for me lives in Arizona. And conversely, I've lived and traveled everywhere. I've been around the world. I don't know how many times I lived in Australia for about 10 years. So yeah, it's, it was definitely a contrast to go from Arizona which is always hot, to Rochester, which is like the craziest amount of snow ever.

Yeah.

But it was an education system that at that moment in time was so spectacular and everything was new. We ended up, we'd have our teachers that would be learning a day before the students because the curriculum they were teaching was so new they didn't even know. So it was spectacular.

It is. It's really neat when you think about it. Like it reminds me of where we are right now. Like this sense of like, with AI and everything's kind of like happening in the moment and everyone's learning and teaching at the same time. So it's really cool. I'm still bringing you back to your early days because I'm kind of curious of like, what about your family? What were they like? What kind of professions did your parents have?

Yes, my dad was a builder. My mother, she's a real estate agent and we didn't grow up with a lot of money. And this kind of became, I guess, another personal flashpoint, not a professional one, but I remember my dad, I have to go to work with my dad and my brother and we'd get up at like 3, 4 in the morning and he'd go do a job site in Arizona. You've got to stop work by 10 or 11 because it's so hot. I hear that. And we would stop by, I remember one day we stopped by this junkyard and he went in and came back out with a little thing and off we went to the job site and he's like, Tom, There inside of this thing is this tiny little spring. And while I'm over here working, I need you to get this spring out. And he's like, so carefully, meticulously lay out all the screws and all the parts and look for this spring. Okay, cool. So my brother and I sat in the bed of the truck for hours taking apart, which I now know was just the tape deck, right? From an old truck. And we found this spring and my brother and I were so proud of like what we had done. And then he's like, that's good job, boys. And then scraped it all in the trash, right? Because that's effectively was our babysitter was this old tape deck from a junkyard. Backyard. But my parents both, they're still married, they still live in Arizona. They taught me the value of exploration, and a lot of those lessons are kind of what led me on the path. My professional career, and when I did a lot of computer security, was really kind of born out of one of those moments.

Yeah, I love that you share that because there's something about that which, going into that, taking things apart, looking at the details, and really focusing and having patience is really important to move into the field that you got into. Because if you didn't have the patience to persevere and dig deeper, then it would be hard to focus on some of these real technical challenges and problems that you're facing. And I think it all starts with curiosity too, which I think was ingrained in you. So tell me about the early days of— here you are at RIT, which sounds like it was like the perfect timing for you to be there. But what was that a springboard to? What did that kind of lead you as you moved into your next chapter?

Well, I don't say this with any disrespect to RIT. It's a phenomenal school, but I didn't get a lot from my formal education. Like, my learning wasn't in the classroom. Yeah, but I have a very atypical experience, and I want to caveat that. Like, I was hired as faculty staff when I turned 18, so I worked at my university while I was going to my university and was also a chairman, became chairman of this computer science house because I'm just so enamored with how all of these pieces fit together for technology. So the biggest thing for me then was really the fearlessness. Like, you don't have to be afraid of technology. And that's something that stuck very early and to this day is you don't have to be afraid of technology. It doesn't bite you, it can't hurt you. All your potential is built up from your experience and your experience can only be unbridled if you have no fear. And so for me, that manifested across a, a range of technologies from security to data centers to crypto to all kinds of things.

Yeah, there's something about what you said, which has really landed squarely with me. This is fear. A lot of people who, when we first started to touch electronics or touch software, it was this fear of like getting it right, or fear of like what happens if you hit the wrong key, or what have you. Well, the reality is it's not going to be like— in most instances, it just, it's not the end of the world. It's just we just restart from the beginning, restart from a different place. And I think there is a sense of don't fear it, just embrace it and be okay with making mistakes, because that's how we learn, right?

Yeah. And look, AI, like you mentioned, AI is a huge portion of my career right now, designing data centers for AI. And I'll say that that moment of fearlessness is here again. And the beauty of it with AI is it's such an opportunity for people who are afraid of technology to get deeply involved in a way that it's only enabling. There is zero downside in terms of interacting with AI. There might be some macro fears that people have around losing jobs or deepfakes or whatever, but on an individual basis, like, this is a great moment to be fearless in technology.

Yeah, I hear you. And it's so crazy when you think about fearlessness and in so many different capacities, when you start to embrace it in one part of your life, it starts to seep into other areas of your life too. You said you've lived and worked in all over the world, which is really powerful. A lot of people are afraid to take that leap, afraid to get out and do things like that. And I'm sure that that was part of your journey into fearlessness. Yeah.

And just another example, and I really do like that term flashpoint, but the way I traveled before kids— it's a little hard with kids, but yes, of course— I'd show up at the airport and I'd say, where's the next plane go? And jump on that plane and go there. And I literally have a tattoo on my hand. Yeah, that's a question mark and an exclamation mark as one symbol. And I don't know where life will end up is the kind of question mark, but I'm excited about the journey is the exclamation mark. And really, that's the core tenet to how I live my life in general, is that the journey is— you only get one shot at it. And sitting around being afraid of this or doubting your abilities, these things don't really help you on that journey. They don't move you forward in a positive way.

Yeah. And I know that this is also what's driven you through all the different, like, business endeavors that you've done, which I, I'm now looking forward to hearing more about all the risks you've taken along the way. Some probably didn't pan out, but that's okay. It's all part of the journey, right?

Yeah.

So tell us more what happens next on the twists and turns of your entrepreneurial journey, but also your, your journey into tech world, if you will.

Well, I mean, I've kind of always been in tech my whole career. I mean, I went to university to study IT. I ended up getting a job at the university when I was 18, and I've been in that ever since. So I did take a 10 or 12 year portion of my career focused on computer security because that got— if everything I've said before about fearlessness was an indicator, when you think about security, there are risks and there are things to protect. And that just got me absolutely fascinated of how you could protect against the proverbial bad guy and what the bad guy was after and how to get them. And again, back to the tape deck story is security is really understanding the building blocks of how some bigger unit fits together. And so when you can decompose that into smaller pieces and understand their strengths and weaknesses, you can really identify how to do that for the building blocks of a company or the building blocks of software or the building blocks of anything. And so I loved it. I mean, security has been just a major portion of my career. And I think now as we approach AI and another abstraction layer of technology, security is going to be even bigger.

Yeah, I hear you. I mean, that's the biggest thing that every company has on their mind about, like, How do you secure yourself in the world of AI? Because it feels like an open playbook. And so maybe we can talk a little bit about that for a moment to say, what is your perspective on how companies are dealing with security in the world of AI? Are they putting firewalls up? Are they creating ways to— if you're comfortable, I'd love to hear.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I think there isn't a right answer here. I think it depends on what your company does and the size and scale of your company. But in general, as long as you view AI as a, and more broadly, this concept of machine learning, as long as you view those as tools to help you be more efficient, then the security portion is a slice of that, right? It shouldn't be secure against it. It should be integrating it and securing more robust. So for example, if you're Adobe and you're worried about people using your software properly, right? Because they're putting AI in everything, right? They have a problem of securing the AI as opposed to securing against the AI, right? Whereas the federal government needs to secure against AI and how are they going to do that? Well, they're going to have to build their own AI system that can act as fast as some AI that might be attacking it. And so either way, the moral of the story here is get ready because it's going to be involved in every aspect of every single company and every single person's life in some form or fashion. This isn't a hype cycle. This is like bigger than mobile. This is bigger than the internet. This is bigger than IoT. It's going to be probably the biggest technological trend in my lifetime. Yeah.

And I think to come back to what you said earlier, it's like, It's not time to fear this. It's time to embrace it and figure out how we want to face it. Because if we face it the right way, then everything's going to be great. It's going to be a technology, game-changing technology, which it already is, but it'll be even more so. But we have to— we can't fear it. We have to embrace it.

Yeah, and the fear part of AI is actually what I do for work day to day, which we could talk about. But the idea of the data center component for AI Yeah. Is something we really have to understand. And it is something that we need to have a little bit of fear in terms of what it does to society and humanity more broadly, because the compute requirements are unlike anything we've seen before. Like the scale is enormous. So we need to understand how it impacts not just you or your company, but civilization at large.

Yeah. We went really fast into AI because it's such a hot topic, but I want to get back into the journey a bit. And talk about— you spent some time at Verizon, which is quite a remarkable company, and obviously you had a remarkable role. And maybe you want to talk a little bit about your journey there, but then what led to Redivider, and maybe talk about Redivider as well. So wherever you'd like to go, it's kind of choose your adventure.

Yeah, sure. So I was working for the US government doing computer security, and it was great, but it's Crazy stressful. Yeah. Literally, my escort was a guy with a gun everywhere I went. Right. And so that stresses you out. So I said, you know what, I'm going to travel the world a bit and leave America. So I settled on Australia, which is a beautiful, beautiful country. I'm now a citizen there as well. And obviously it's hard to get a job in Australia when you're in America. So I had so many freaking flyer points, I applied for jobs and I told them I was local. And then when I, I'd schedule the interview for like 10 days out or something, and then I would just fly there on points. And I did that 3 or 4 times, but I landed a job. And then before I started, the day before I started, it got acquired. And so like, all right, pump the brakes before you fly over. Like, we got to figure this out anyway. So they made an exception. I ended up joining there about a year later. That company was bought by Verizon. And next thing you know, I'm kind of the cloud and security nerd guy for all of Asia Pacific. So I was traveling to tons and tons of countries around Asia and it was great. It was really, really great. And again, Verizon, awesome company. Like I learned so much about how to do things the right way that you see a lot of the startup community, they just sort of wing it the whole time. And I kind of had the inverse in that I learned all this stuff about how these massive companies do things. And the key takeaway I learned there was big companies do not innovate. Big companies scale innovation. And to that end, I woke up one day and very vividly remember going, I think I've climbed the wrong corporate ladder because I kind of got to the top of the ladder where I wanted to go. And I'm like, this is it. This view kind of is not what I was after. I thought it was. So I quit and started my own company, and I've had an entrepreneurial bug ever since that's really taken me a lot of very exciting places.

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Oh yeah. Yeah. Very early days. Amazon was the market leader. People were still getting their head around as a company. Well, why would I move to the cloud? You've got this whole IT department and they're all hugging their servers.

Yeah.

And the business case for cloud was still being kind of developed. Right. So it was very exciting time. So I feel like I hit the beginning of the internet and then I hit the beginning of cloud.

Yeah.

And now beginning of AI, but it's nice to be in the first.

Yeah. Well, I'm going to follow. Where are you going next? I'm following you. So just keep me posted. Yeah.

So I love my time at Verizon, but I felt very unsatisfied because if I did all this amazing work and grew the business 1%, no one cared.

Yeah.

But if I lost 1%, everyone was in trouble. Yeah, right. Because when you're king, you just care about staying at the top of the mountain. So I went down this entrepreneurial path and I started a company and started another company and ran an incubator that started companies. So to date, I've been an investor, advisor, shareholder, board member of about 70 companies. And like you said, they don't always work out. In fact, in my experience, most of them do not work out.

Yeah.

And that's okay because it's about getting to the next step. It's not about any one step, at least for me, it's not been one step is a super successful thing. I think today the startup community kind of, I think puts a little, they idolize maybe an individual for what they've accomplished, but they're not looking at the math, right? The math is the 5 guys or women that you picked in your brain, that population is probably 20 people total.

Yes.

And the number of people trying is 20 million people total. So like, you've gotta look not at the top, you've gotta look at the rung just above where you are. So wherever you are, how big is that population? What are they doing? How do you get to that rung and start to really go up the pyramid that way? Because the odds of you going from a nothing burger idea in your head to being one of your idols in a short period of time is No.

Yeah. I love what you just said, cuz it's really a powerful thing for people to realize is that first of all, that nothing's quite as it seems. There's not this like idolization that you should be creating, but also when we see someone failing, like a business going on, a startup that doesn't quite pan out, we have to also support them and say, hey, look, this, at least they tried, at least they gave it a chance. Because a lot of people don't even give that startup an opportunity to even see the light. And failure is just the start of the next thing. Yeah.

Yep. Totally agree with that. And it's like the process shouldn't be quit your job, start a company. And I realize that's what I did, but I did that because there was no startup community then and there wasn't a group of people that would lean on me or I could lean on and ask questions and they say, hey, you should keep your job. You've got this amazing job that pays you a boatload of money. Do this on the side until it kind of takes off. Like, those people didn't exist for me, and now they exist everywhere. And that community is something you should take advantage of.

Yeah. Yeah. And I just had a guest talk about having a good learning community. His name was Eduardo Bercino, and he was talking about learning communities and how important it is. And choose wisely though, because you want to make sure you have people around you who are there to champion and support you and not like one-up you or feel like making themselves look bigger in the company of others. So it's like, I think you just have to choose the right communities to be part of.

There are toxic communities. There definitely are. And there's also communities that are time wasters that add no value. And there are communities that are like another kind of personal point is I, early on in my professional career, I also found dance as an incredible outlet. So I started doing swing dancing. I, so I've done dancing all over the world in all these different communities. And the one thing that the takeaway from that was you don't really go out to do a social event if you're in a bad mood. And so the energy of all of these people is very congruent. They all want to have this exciting kind of moment and it's a very positive experience, but it also is a social equalizer. So if you are a parking lot attendant or an investment banker in that moment, you're exactly peers. And that's a rare thing. And that's really stuck with me. So like how you treat people along the way matters and the communities that you're in matter. And if you go into a community that you think is beneath you and you treat people poorly, that sucks. And if you go into a community and you try to kiss up the chain, kiss butt up the chain. That's not a good look either. So it's the communities you're in. I think you said it right. They do matter for sure.

Wow.

We're—

this conversation where there's so many ways we can take this, but I do want to dig into reDivider because I think this new company that you're up to is something that it's unique. I've never heard of anything like this. And I think it'd be great to just hear a little bit more about what brought you to this idea and then what is it? Yeah.

So Redivider very simply is a data center company. So we make the buildings that have all the servers that you use every day, right? From how you connect to things that, you know, like the cloud or TikTok or whatever. The uniqueness of how we do it is the exciting part. So instead of having a building the size of a football field, which is pretty typical, All of our buildings are modular, and so they're small form factor buildings. And it's kind of like when cars were invented, there's a lot of people that were making things that were handcrafted as cars, and they're very slow to make new ones, et cetera, et cetera. And then Henry Ford came along and made a factory that spit out cars at much higher quality, a much lower cost, and a much greater volume. And that's what we're doing with data centers by building them in a factory, shipping them on a truck or a train. We can put them literally anywhere. We can do so at much higher quality, much lower cost. And the biggest problem in the data center industry is time to market. And so now we're able to bring them online faster. Yeah. And where we started all of this, to your question, is when we were all kind of stuck at home for 2 years. There's this idea called edge computing that's been around forever. Like, oh yeah, we're all, we're going to push all the servers to the quote edge. And it never really took off because when you look at the kind of core principles, you had a really big data center connected to a really big internet pipe connected to a really big office building full of people. So the system wasn't broken. It didn't need edge computing to run the internet. Then everyone was working from home. Well, now all of a sudden, the entire structure of the fabric of the internet didn't work because you didn't have 20,000 people going to a downtown area for 8 hours a day. And so that's kind of where it was born is, is this moment of forever that the definition of work has changed. Which means the definition of the internet has changed, which has opened the idea for these small data centers. And that's what we're doing. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I'm sure you see this already, but I'll just reflect what I see is this connection that you have to the deconstructing and taking things apart and rethinking them, building them back together is exactly what brought Redivider, or at least I think what Redivider to what it is right now. It's, this connection to your childhood of taking apart that, the radio, and seeing that those pieces, once you understand how it's built, and then how can you rebuild something from there. I think that's something that really resonates with me. And your dad was in the building industry, maybe has you thinking about how do we build something that's a little more sustainable in the grand scheme of things. So I just, I don't know, I, I always find these little connections with how we were raised and how we, our childhood has hidden secrets to where we end up.

Yeah. Look, I think that's totally true on the, my dad being a builder. And if you just for a moment think about the amount of technology you use today compared to 10 years ago, right? It's staggering. And I'll give you a little statistic, not to bore you with numbers, but the amount of data we're consuming from 2019 2019, which was just 2 or 3 years ago to 2025, we will grow the total amount of data 5 times of what it was before and not 5 times 2019, 5 times the data since the beginning of data ever being created.

It's just insane.

So the amount of data we're collecting is, it's mind-blowing. And so the need for computing is also mind-blowing. Again, if you look at it by power consumed or physical space or number of servers, it matter. They're all like crazy. And that creates a massive sustainability problem. But it also, back to the building thing, it is also an unachievable goal to grow because our workforce, our construction workforce is anemic. There's not new blood coming in. And so my dad who's now retired, where are the guys that are replacing him? Well, they don't exist. They've gone off to do other things. So from my perspective, building data centers in a factory is not a novelty that's useful. It is the singular way that we can continue to grow the computing field with the limitation of our workforce, along with our unbridled demand for tech.

Yeah, it's really powerful to think about is how this is how we sustain ourselves if we continue to go at the rapid pace we're going at. And there's no reason why we would end up, we would slow down or stop because we know it's working for us. This is how we sustain ourselves.

Yeah. When you think about it from a power perspective, again, from the sustainability side, we are not adding enough renewable capacity into our grid in America, nor is anyone else in the world. And there's a lot of reasons for that I won't get into, but the demand for computing is still going off the charts. So are you going to curb the amount of TikTok that you use, or are you going to be okay with turning back on coal power plants? That's what it's going to come to.

Exactly.

Social media or coal power. And I can guarantee what people are going to vote for.

Yes, exactly.

And so the idea of doing this more sustainably is like a very critical factor. We have to remove as much embodied carbon as we can. We have to have a much more efficient way of operating these facilities and thinking about circular economies and like all the thinking of like all these sustainability experts we need to apply to our field, which is what we've spent the last few years doing is, well, as long as we have a blank sheet of paper, why don't we do it in a way that benefits the planet? It benefits people through social impact as well as meeting the insatiable demand.

Amazing. Wow. Well, I gotta be honest with you, Tom, I could talk about this for hours, but I want to be respectful of your time. And I have one last question I do have to ask before I let you go. So my last question is, what are one or two books that have an impact on you and why?

Hmm. Well, so I've read a ton of business books. I really like reading business books because it sharpens my brain, but There's two things I would say. A time-tested book that I really love is called Personality Not Included. The author's name, Rohit Bhargava. Yeah, Rohit Bhargava. That book was incredible for getting people to, like, you could come up with the best widget ever, but if people aren't attracted to it, they're not going to use it, and therefore you're not going to have the impact on the world that you want to have. And that book was eye-opening for me in that regard. And anything by Jack Trout, Now Rise. I mean, our there's such brilliant minds about how to position a company or position a person or how you get ideas across for anything. I've read every single book that those two have ever made, and they're just amazing authors.

That's awesome. I mean, I gotta be honest with you, both recommendations or both books are fantastic. I mean, first of all, I will say Personality Not Included. I've heard that before and I have not read it. I don't think. And unless I forgot about it, because I do read a lot, I'm putting that on my list.

And yeah, it's a good one.

Yeah, absolutely. This is fantastic. Wow, Tom, this has been just nothing short of amazing. I really appreciate you bringing all your insights and, you know, just your wealth of knowledge. I just feel like I'm going to follow you wherever you're going. So just keep me posted as what's going next, what's around the corner, and we'll just go with you.

Great. It's amazing. It's amazing. I mean, anybody who wants to help improve the planet, like, jump on board with me. Like, that's what we have to do together. We've got to keep our technology use high so we can advance civilization, but we have to do so in a much better, broader way. Yeah.

Well, and I love how you said that because there's a part of this which is to say, like, it doesn't have to be in conflict. We can do good things for the planet and do good things from a technological standpoint that feed our minds and kind of help us from a technical perspective. They're not like at odds. They actually can complement each other in a very big way.

So yeah, and the technology will enable the other as well. Like we can't get to these new goals without new ways of thinking. Yeah.

So I gotta thank you again and thank you for sharing all you did. And before I let you go, I wanna make sure people know where to find out more about you if they'd like to learn. Connect with you?

Sure. So I'm Tom Frazier on LinkedIn. Basically any sort of platform that exists online, I'm Tom Frazier at. Very early on, I learned to grab your social handles on even platforms that aren't gonna make it because you never know which ones will. So I'm, I'm Tom Frazier everywhere on the internet, LinkedIn, and then for Redivider, you can go to the website, redivider.co.

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