The Secrets of Social & Creative Aging
2 Oct 2023 · 32 min
In this episode of Flow Research Collective Radio, host Ryan Dorris interviews bestselling author and peak‑performance researcher Steven Kotler about his new book NAR Country and the emerging science of "peak performance aging." Kotler explains that aging is no longer an inevitable decline; with the right mindset, social connections, and lifelong learning, people can maintain or even improve mental and physical abilities well into their 50s, 60s and beyond. He cites research showing a positive attitude toward aging adds roughly 7.5 healthy years, while internalizing negative age stereotypes can accelerate memory loss by 30% by age 60. The core prescription is a lifestyle of "dynamic, deliberate play"—challenging, creative, and social activities performed in novel outdoor environments—that trains the five physical capacities (stamina, strength, flexibility, balance, agility) and the brain’s cognitive reserve (expertise and wisdom). Robust social ties trigger neurochemicals that lower stress, enable flow, and boost immune function; group flow is presented as a multi‑tool solution especially for introverts, delivering the benefits of social connection in a condensed, high‑impact setting. Kotler also critiques excessive phone and social‑media use for eroding attention, task‑switching ability, and a positive aging mindset. He discusses his reading habits, the role of fiction in expanding empathy and protecting against cognitive decline, and outlines the Flow Research Collective’s training pipeline (Zero to Dangerous → Enter the Gnar) that operationalizes these principles. The episode intersperses promotional spots for the Flow Research Collective’s training and the book, and ends with practical advice on how listeners can acquire NAR Country and begin applying the concepts.
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Peak performance is nothing more or less than just getting our biology to work for us rather than against us. The fact that all of our mental skills, our physical skills decline over time, the research is starting to say we can hang on to them, even advance them far later in life than we thought possible. Once you get to 50, if you're not moving forward, you're heading backwards. This finding here is crazy that a positive mindset towards aging produces about an extra 7.5 years of healthy longevity. If you are exposed to negative stereotypes of aging or have a really negative mindset towards aging, when they measure memory, you exhibit 30% greater memory decline than people who had positive mindset towards aging or non-ageist experiences. We don't change our biology as fast as our technology is changing. And so we can use all the technology we want, but getting our biology to work for us is what peak performance and peak performance aging is all about. What does it take to do the impossible? What does it take to level up your game like never before? What does it take for individuals, organizations, for even institutions to achieve paradigm shifting. Nothing is ever the same again.
Our mission is to decode the neurobiology of flow and cognitive peak performance, access the minds of maverick scientists, groundbreaking innovators, and world-leading experts to understand what it takes to achieve ultimate human performance so you can feel your best, perform your best, and accomplish your boldest goals. I'm your host, Ryan Dorris, and together with bestselling author Steven Kotler, I present to Flow Research Collective Radio.
Hey Stephen, welcome to the show.
It is good to be with you.
Now I've known you for, what is it, 7, 8 years? Um, yeah, maybe even a little bit more than that. I met you first longer.
I think it's a, I think it's a decade by now.
Oh my God, that makes me feel old, but that's good because of the book. But we'll come back to that in a second.
Subject matter involved.
Oh yeah, yeah, nice thread line. So I met you through Peter Diamandis. You've written several books with that brilliant man, and you've, you've just wrote countless books, and I've read probably most of them. Uh, I've read The Art of Impossible, Abundance, The Future Is Faster. You've got how many books you want now? What is it, 10, 12 books you've done? Just to 13, 14, 14 books. But this one, and I know you say, oh, but this one's different. This one's more— this one captivated me and I want to run straight into it because I've got it here. It's the Nar Country. I have not read it. And the reason being, and I said it at the beginning, I want to declare it. Whenever I travel, I always take a book I can rely on because there's nothing worse than taking off, starting reading a book, realizing it's crap and you got to try and find something to watch on TV. But this book, and you've done many books on flow state, peak performance. So the question really is, you've written this book on staying rad and in peak on the second half of your life. Why is that important today? Is it because you're getting old?
Why was it important to me to write? Yeah, is that, is that the question? Um, that's funny. I mean, some of it is, you know, I'm definitely, you know, I'm 55 now. Um, so obviously these questions are a little bit more pertinent, but this peak performance aging has sort of been a part of my research agenda for since 2000, early 2000s. I started looking at regenerative medicine and longevity science that morphed into work on sort of the lifestyle interventions that I, that I pursued a lot with dogs because my wife and I run a canine hospice care facility. So we started doing stuff with dogs and then asking questions, would it work in humans? This book emerged because over the past 5 to 10 years, the sort of traditional theory of aging, the long slow rot idea, right? The fact that all of our mental skills, our physical skills decline over time, there's nothing we can do to stop this slide, has been radically overturned. Radically overturned. We now know that all the skills that we used to believe declined over time— well, they do decline over time, they're all use-it-or-lose-it skills, right? We keep training them. The research is starting to say we can hang on to them, even advance them, uh, far later in life than anybody thought possible. And I thought, what a great time to run an experiment, you know, a bunch of experiments around this idea, which is sort of what's at the heart of NAR Country. It's not only the new science of peak performance aging, it's sort of the story of a couple really radical experiments in peak performance aging.
Now, why gnar? You know, explain to a lot of people what— there's going to be people out there that know what gnarly is and gnar, and there's going to be out there people going, what the hell is this? So bring us that introduction first.
So gnar comes from action sports. It's action sports slang. It's actually short for the word gnarly, but it's got a very technical and precise meaning, which is any environment that is high in perceived risk and high in actual risk. And our country, country is any landscape or terrain, fictitious or real, right? So what I like about this as a title is it's a phenomenal description of our later years, right? High in actual risk, high in perceived risk. And it turns out it's also a really good description of like the gritty mindset we need to thrive during those later years.
So we know what it means, we know about peak performance, What is the difference with peak performance maybe when you're younger? And I'm 56 years old, and a lot of the people I know— we mentioned Joe Polish, a mutual friend of ours earlier, Peter Diamandis— these people are people that are not, not in their 20s but really thriving and really pushing. So what is the difference between someone trying to get peak performance out of their 30s and getting peak performance out of their 50s?
It's a great question. Let's just start at the beginning. What do I mean by peak performance? Peak performance, the way I look at it, is nothing more or less than just getting our biology to work for us rather than against us. Peak performance aging is getting our biology to work for us rather than against us when applied to the challenges and opportunities in the second half of our life. There is also a through line, um, and the, the way I like to sort of— one way you can look at it is In a sense, peak performance is almost optional before you're 50. But if you really wanna thrive in the second half of your life, once you get to 50, if you're not moving forward, you're heading backwards. So stuff starts to become a lot more mandatory in our 50s. That said, one of the things that's really interesting about this whole discussion is that it's very clear interventions at any age matter, right? There's studies going up to like people's late 80s and there are interventions in the late 80s that can actually make a huge difference going forward. But peak performance aging actually starts early. It turns out there's some physical stuff, but there's some psychological stuff that needs to take place in our 20s and our 30s and our 40s and our 50s to really unlock the later decades. And the stuff that needs to take place in our earlier decades, some of it's wrapped up with passion, purpose, flow, ideas that show up in peak performance. So in a sense, peak performance is a path into peak performance aging depending on, you know, where, where you're jumping in. Something in.
So, so we've got to— I know how much of that is activity, because I notice especially you and Joe, very, very similar. You're constantly doing a lot of different experiments— not experiments, but you're challenging your body a lot more. There's a lot more like the cold dives and the cryo, um, rooms that Joe goes into. So how important is it to look at how we react to our body that's going to allow our mind to be more performance-oriented.
So it's— this is interesting.
And I—
all the stuff that you're listing, the cold plunges, the saunas, the Epsoms, all that, very important. These are recovery technologies, you know, that they're, they're very, very useful. But in a sentence, peak performance aging in a sentence, you want to regularly engage in challenging creative activities, challenging creative and social activities that demand dynamic, deliberate play. And I'll define dynamic in a second. That demand dynamic, deliberate play and take place in novel outdoor environments. First, I want to point out that there's nothing in that sentence about supplements or biohacking or cold plunges or any of this stuff that you are normally hearing people talk about, which is not to say that those interventions don't matter. But the big guns— you want to regularly engage in challenging, creative, and social activities that demand dynamic, deliberate play. Take place in novel outdoor environments. Now, what do I mean by dynamic? Dynamic is a shorthand word. So I said earlier that all the skills— there's physical skills, there's mental skills. We used to think they declined over time. We now know they're use-it-or-lose-it skills. On the physical side, the research shows that there's 5 skills that matter over time: stamina, strength, flexibility, balance, and agility. Dynamic is a single word that means all 5 of those. Something is dynamic when it requires strength, stamina, agility, balance, flexibility all at once. Right. So dynamic is just a shorthand way of talking about all 5 of those. And deliberate play is just sort of— deliberate practice, we've all heard about expert performance, do the same thing over and over again with incremental advancement. With 10,000 hours of that, we get to mastery or so the story goes. And it turns out deliberate practice is great for a lot of different kinds of learning and performance. But deliberate play, which is repetition without repetition or repetition with improvisation, outperforms deliberate practice for lifelong learning. And the goal, this whole formula is a formula for lifelong learning, which is really, really crucially important for peak performance aging for reasons that we can get to, but I'll stop there for now.
One of the keywords you said there that got me that I want to challenge is you said about challenge yourself in a social environment. We've had COVID back us out of a social environment. We've had the growth of almost an introvert nation where we're kind of like— and you said use it or lose it. We haven't been communicating very much. Now we're not communicating very well, very well. And you're actually telling us, hey, you've got to get out there because if you don't challenge yourself with social interaction, you're going to lose it. How bad is that?
Yeah, it's really—
yeah.
I mean, and we have numbers around it, actually. So if you are have a— if you maintain robust social connections, so that doesn't mean a giant network, that means you've got some robust social connections, so people who love you and care about you deeply, um, and you're doing the work to maintain those connections, um, they will live an average of 7.5 extra years. So there's 7.5 healthy years tied to a robust social life. Yeah, it's a very, uh, the only other, uh, intervention that, that has that much weight is your mindset towards aging, which also can produce about 7 or 8 years of healthy longevity, but a robust social life. So if you're morbidly obese, it's more important to maintain a robust social life than it is to lose weight for health and longevity.
That is—
it's a really, really big lever. There's a bunch of reasons for it and a lot of it. So let me put one thing in perspective for you, which will help. So if you want to preserve mental function, right, against cognitive decline, against diseases like Alzheimer's and dementia, the way to do it is to build up what's known as cognitive reserve. Cognitive reserve is essentially two things: expertise and wisdom. These are different things neurobiologically, but what they have in common, and this is why lifelong learning matters so much, most— the part of the brain that is most vulnerable to cognitive decline, to dementia, to all that stuff, is the prefrontal cortex, sort of the part that's right behind your forehead. It's the newest part of the brain from an evolutionary perspective, which means it's the most vulnerable to disruption. Expertise and wisdom both live in the prefrontal cortex, and they're both— they— when we develop expertise, when we develop wisdom, what we get is new neurons are born. So we get neurogenesis, right? And that protects against the loss of neurons, which leads to cognitive decline, everything else. And they form very robust neural networks, synaptic plasticity. And the brain is interesting because it never— when it builds a neural network, it doesn't ever build one one way to do something. It likes to learn 6 or 7 different ways. There's redundancy built into the system and these vast networks. So if you think about how to decline Alzheimer's dementia, they tend to be localized issues, right? But you've got these big diffuse networks that protect against it. So you need this formula for lifelong learning. One of the reasons the social component is so important is wisdom, among its many other attributes, is mostly emotional intelligence, right? And we tend to learn those kinds of lessons easier when there's other people around. So that's one of the reasons. There's other things going on that have to do with reduction of stress hormones. There's also robust social networks give us oxytocin. And there's a lot of research, recent research that shows that the more oxytocin in our system, the longer we're going to live. And we know why that is and where that comes from. But as a shorthand, having robust social connection, it matters. It also matters for peak performance because When we maintain robust social connections, we're calmer. It lowers anxiety levels. This matters for two reasons. One, there are 9 known causes of aging. They all link to stress. Stress links to anxiety. So anything that calms us down is actually an anti-aging tool. The second is for flow. Too much norepinephrine, sort of fear in our system, will block flow. So by lowering these anxiety levels, uh, in this way, you're also unlocking flow, which is really important from a quality of perspective to be performance aging and to longevity, actually.
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So I'm hearing you. It's making sense. We know a lot of the same people, and they're very introverted, they're very cautious. You know, you're not a wildly outgoing guy. I, I play one quite well. Pete is quite introverted. Jim Quick, Joe Polish— there's a lot of introverted people that focus on peak performance. So you would naturally think, well, if you're going for peak performance but you're an introvert, oh, you're not going to be able to cover that gap. So how do you do that?
Yeah, so it's a great question. And, and our country is really about about this because I'm an extreme introvert. And I mean, I, you know, I can go months without talking to anybody but my wife. I'm in a writing project, right? Like, forget about it. I'll spend 14, 15 hours a day alone. I'll talk to my wife, who's also an extreme introvert, for like a half an hour a day. And like 3 months go by and I don't see anybody. So this is one of the reasons that we focus on group flow in the book, in our So group flow, which is the shared collective version of a flow state, right, is underpinned by a bunch of neurochemicals. These are the same neurochemicals. The reason you want to maintain these robust social connections is to get access to these neurochemicals. This is what's making the difference in your body. Group flow allows you to get all that neurochemistry in a lot less time. So in our country is a ski adventure, right, that is experimenting around skiing. And I could drop into group flow with my ski partner and ski like one day a week, like 4 hours together in group flow, and take care of almost all the social connection I need from a peak performance aging perspective. So like everything we do at the Flow Research Collective, right, we're a research and training organization. While we train people in 130 countries, the commonality among them all— they're all busy, right? Everybody's busy. So we're always looking for like multi-tool solutions, so a single tool that solves multiple problems at once or something that solves problems very quickly. Group flow is exactly this kind solution, especially for peak performance aging. And let me give you some bonus information about flow. So not only does it shorten the sort of the social bonding and solve the introversion problem, right? What else you get is group flow is considered the most positive emotion on earth, positive feeling we get on earth. People love being in group flow more than any other state of consciousness. And as a result, when we experience the really positive emotions that come under group flow and group flow Whenever we experience really positive emotions, the brain and the body release T cells. These are the immunological cells that fight diseases, and it boosts the production of natural killer cells, which are the cells that target tumors and other sick cells. So group flow does— it gives us a lot of the social benefits, but it directly ties into our immune system, which is why— so when we have at the Flow Research Collective, of course, we built a training, Enter the NAR, um, that, uh, that covers the Peak Performance Aging stuff, but it's actually our second training. We send people through Zero to Dangerous, our primary flow training, first, and then follow with Enter the Gnar, because the seek— that's that sequence of Peak Performance and Peak Performance Aging you started with. We see that too in terms of how we train and how to make things most effective. But this is why they sort of connect up.
So I'm not going to wait until— I'm not going to wait until the end, and this isn't the end of the podcast, but I want to make sure Right in the middle. People know how to get a hold of NAR Country. How's the best way for them to get your book?
Amazon or your local bookstore, or you can go to narcountry.com and, uh, in order through our website, there's some bonus, uh, the bonuses if you do. Um, and also there's some really fun videos on the NAR Country website that we made about the experiments we ran and the work we did and about peak performance aging. So Take your pick, anywhere books are sold.
All right. Okay. So, and now I want to step back to, again, we know the solution of getting into that group environment is going to solve a lot, but there's a lot of people out there that want to get peak performance that are introverted, that look out their windows and they think the entire planet are extroverted party animals. How do I step into that? So how can they sitting in that room get out into a social environment? How would you suggest they do it? How do you do it?
Well, I don't, by the way. I mean, my answer is I don't. Like, I tell people, if I don't work with you, ski with you, or married to you, I don't know you. Like, I swear, like, that's really— I know I have I give a lot of speeches, so those are big social events, right? So I get some of it that way. But as a general rule, I get all of my social contact through GroupFlow. But I also, on a daily basis, will try to reach out and call usually one person I haven't talked to in a little while. It doesn't have to be a very long conversation either. But so, Steve, let's talk about one of the reasons why this matters so much on a moment-by-moment basis. When you're assessing an opportunity, is it a challenge? Is it a threat? Is it an opportunity? Right? Your brain runs— it wants to know how much energy does it need to meet the challenge kind of thing. So your brain runs a bunch of very fast analyst programs. One of them is about your social network. When you're facing a situation, How many people in your posse? Do you have friends who back you up? Do you have people to help if you fail at this? Does somebody— is somebody going to pick you up? If the answer is no, right, your brain goes, oh shit, this is a big problem. We got to generate a lot of energy. We might need a lot of cortisol and norepinephrine, some stress. And all that is biologically expensive to produce. It drains calories. It takes away from our ability to get you to perform at our best, basically. So What— by maintaining robust social ties, your brain goes, oh, there's people around who love you, they got your back, you can take— this is a— this is an opportunity, not a threat, um, kind of thing. And that, uh, that has a huge impact on peak performance and over time on peak performance aging as well, because as I said, anything that stresses us out ages us. Wow.
So you've got your group So you're fine. I know I'm the same. I've got my group, so I don't need to go out. And you're right, we both travel. We both speak.
I find it ironic that you're here stumping for introverts because your entire business is built around extroversion, taking people into the world and giving them fabulous experiences.
But that's the funny thing. My business is, but I'm not. I don't care about going backstage. I don't care about doing all of those things. But it's how we respond and it can get us a little bit, or it could, it got me sometimes nervous. So I would have to focus on what reaction am I trying to get out of it? But you've got your people, introverts out there need to challenge themselves just by phoning someone, but to get to this peak performance. And you say quite simply, it's a use it or lose it. The social network that we're in today. Both the online social networks and our way do we socialize. And let's be serious, even dating now, you can't go into a bar and pull a girl at a bar. You've got to Tinder the, the whole situation now. How we're actually getting these blocks in front of our interaction, do you find that they are making it easier for us to interact, or it's a negative thing?
Well, we— you can definitely get into group flow, uh, through social media, right? You can use Zoom and, and, and create a group flow environment. It's hard to do. You have to really sort of know what you're doing, and there's less wiggle room because you're not getting sort of basic neurochemistry that you get from being in the company of others. Um, so you can do it. Ultimately, I think social media is effective for marketing, PR, and creativity, and other than that, it broke the world. And, um, one of the things I tell— so let's, let's back into this a different way. I mentioned earlier that mindset is really important for peak performance aging. So the finding— this finding here is crazy— that a positive mindset towards aging, that's simply, I'm excited about the second half of my life, I think my best days are ahead of me, kind kind of thing, um, also produces about an extra 7.5 years of aging— of, excuse me, healthy longevity. So, um, in fact, people also ask with Peak Performance Aging, where do I start? And I say you got to start with a healthy mindset towards aging. You've really got to kind of get rid of the mindset of old. The mindset of old is the voice in your head that says you're too old to do this shit. Let me put an exclamation point on this. Becca Levy, really smart woman, she teaches at Yale. She's sort of the world's leading expert on ageism and the stereotypes around aging and what kind of damage they do. She's found that if you are exposed to negative stereotypes of aging or have a, you know, really negative mindset towards aging, when they measure memory, if you're exposed to it growing up, by age 60, you exhibit 30% greater memory decline than people who had positive mindset towards aging or non-ageist experiences. So huge impact on our physiology and our mental health over time. I'm trying to remember how I got here. You asked me a specific question and I told you about mindset.
Is it harder to interact socially today? And you were saying about Zoom, you can do it, but it's not— Right. Okay. Yeah. It's just to me, if you want to ask.
Well, so, oh, with mindset, I'm sorry. So that mindset really matters. Thank you. You— now I put it together. So one of the things when people ask, okay, what do I do about my mindset? How do I fix it? One of the first things we tell people to do is put down your damn phone. Stop using social media. Phones create a, uh, a very— it's like a narcissistic mindset. It makes us feel very safe and, uh, and, and very narcissistic. And, um, it will block the kind of positive mindset that we need towards aging. The other thing is with Peak Performance Aging, there's a little bit to do, right? Time management matters. So where do you get the time back? Well, the average American spends 4 to 6 hours a day on their damn phone, right? And it's really— and the phone and social media, all this stuff, there are a number of things that you want to train up over time, um, that really matter. One of them is the— is what's known as task switching, which is the ability to like maintain all your focus when you switch from task to task. The phones literally work against that. They totally train that down. So phones and screens end up training down a bunch of the skills that you need to train up for peak performance aging. So my point to you on one level is there's some social stuff that's more difficult to do through social media, um, and there's, there's a cost there. Now that's not to say that like the world is online, so you know what I mean, if you're dating you, you brought up a good point. Like, I would much rather meet people in a bar than on Tinder. I still don't know how to use Tinder because I've been married this whole time, and it, it, it showed up at, you know, after I got married. So I have luckily never had to ever use any of the dating apps. But it's really like, we're wired for social connection, right? And, um, and we don't change our biology as fast as our technology is changing. And so we can use all the technology we want, but getting our biology to work for us is what peak performance and peak performance aging is all about. And so phones have, and screens have really good uses, and they've got a lot of negative uses. And I just think we've got to be smart about it.
I love the way you're always challenging yourself. We mentioned the comment before about, I'm using this book for my flight because I can rely on it, and I've been told it's actually got some great funny stories in it. So I'm looking forward to that humor that you have. You have a dark sarcastic humor, which I really like in your past books, and they're very easy to read. So I do urge, you know, if you want to not get to Stephen's NAR country yet and go through some of his other books, hey, I advise that. I loved Abundance because obviously Peter as well. But you mentioned that when you travel, you actually take a whole bunch of books with you. So are you the kind of mind that is constantly reading other people's viewpoints?
Oh yeah. Yeah. I read nonstop. I will— it's a joke with me. Like, I'll bring very little clothing, right? Like my workout gear and whatever I need for my speech that I'm giving. And I'll bring 5, 6, 7. And usually what I'm reading is usually like 3 textbooks and a couple other books. But like, yeah. And a lot— that's the other thing is a lot of what I read these days is textbooks, which is even crazier.
So you don't write, you don't read stories and things like that?
I read novels, um, for a lot of different— so for a bunch of different reasons. Reading is really— reading is a very effective peak performance aging tool. Let's just talk about it for a second. 6 minutes of reading a novel is more effective at reducing stress than mindfulness meditation. So it's really potent interventions, and, and fiction, uh, expands empathy. So I think it's really important to read fiction, and fiction automatically expands perspective, which expands wisdom, which is neuroprotective against cognitive decline. So there's a bunch of reasons to read fiction. But, uh, when it comes to non-fiction, I— yeah, these days I'm usually reading neuroscience textbooks.
Wow.
Pretty much. Um, I'll, I'll read some other stuff mixed in, but it's, it's a general— it's It's— I always say that, like, when you know you're an expert in a subject is when you read textbooks and they read like thrillers. That's, that's one— to me, that's one sign of expertise, um, is I read a neuroscience textbook and it wasn't always this way. It took a very long time to get to this point. But like, these days, I, I sometimes it's, it's like reading a thriller to me because it's the great detective story of the brain and I'm enthralled. I'm also very weird.
But, you know, that's what makes you interested. All right, Stephen, I'm going to announce it. Now Country is on my list. It's on my flight list. Everyone should run out and get it again. What is the website? Is it nowcountry.com, your website? Yes, sir.
NowCountry.com.
We're going to put the links in there because he's promised us there's some bonus material there. So I always suggest people to go to the author's page. So, Stephen, thank you very, very much for joining us today. And keep keeping it gnarly.
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