Code-free: Zapier CEO Wade Foster is rewriting the rules of automation in the Age of AI | Podcast

Today we're thrilled to welcome Wade Foster, co-founder and CEO of Zapier, the leading AI-powered automation platform helping over 2 million businesses, including Suzy, work smarter, not harder. Under Wade's leadership, Zapier has grown from a scrappy startup to a $5 billion company pioneering no-code automation and now AI agents that empower teams to move faster and stay ahead of consumer needs. Wade, so great to see you, my friend.

Yeah, thanks for having me, Matt.

So as you know, I am just such a huge fan of your product and, you know, I, I have so much gratitude for you and the product you've built because it's really allowed me to do so much as somebody who is not a coder by trade, but has, you know, kind of creative instincts and, and really wants to build quickly in digital. I know Zapier began as a side project, like what was the moment when you realized it would become a scalable business and kind of how did this whole thing get started?

Yeah, I think to answer that, I actually have to go to a company that I was at before Zapier. So I was at this other startup and I was ostensibly hired in to do marketing. I'd never done marketing before, but I was like, hey, how hard could it be? Like, we'll just try and figure it out. And I worked at trying to get people into this product for, I don't know, a year. I learned search, I learned email, I learned social, I learned direct sales, I learned biz dev. Like, I'm trying everything. Nothing's working. Like, it's just not going well. I'm like, surely they're going to fire me. Like, surely, like, they're going to fire me. There's no— there's no way I'm surviving this. The product I thought was great, like, well-designed, well-engineered, super slick experience, etc. But yeah, just nothing happening. And eventually came across The Lean Startup from Eric Ries, and I came to believe— I was like, oh, maybe we're actually building a product that nobody wants. Like, maybe that's the problem. So file that in the back pocket, you know, just lived experience. You know, fast forward a year or two, we're starting Zapier, we're working on it nights and weekends, we're hacking on this thing, you know, we're like, okay, we need, like, the product is not very good yet, but we're like, let's see if we can just get somebody to use it and see if it will actually work for them at all. And came across this forum online where Andrew Warner, the podcaster behind Mixergy, was asking for a PayPal Highrise integration. So, you know, shot him a cold email and said, hey, did you, did you find somebody that, yeah, or a product that could do this PayPal Highrise thing? If no, like, I might be able to help. And he responds back and he's like, actually, I don't need that anymore. But like, did you actually build something that does this? And so I'm like, okay, door's cracked. Let's see if I can get him interested. So I'm like, well, sort of like we can hook up PayPal and Highrise. Then I go look at his site real quick and I'm like, what other tools does he use? And I noticed he uses Wufoo, AWeber, and I was like, hmm, maybe there's something there. So I'm like, yeah, it does PayPal, HiRise, it does Wufoo, AWeber, and then I list off like 2 or 3 other things. And he emails back and he goes, actually, I really need a Wufoo AWeber integration. Do you think I could use it for that? And so then I message my co-founder Brian and Mike and I'm like, we gotta get Wufoo at AWeber. Like, can we do that tonight? Yeah, and so we're building that that night and, you know, shoot him a note and say, hey, here's the link. Here's access to this thing. It has a WiFi, whatever. Like, check it out and see what you want. See if you like it. About a day goes by, he emails me back and he's like, hey Wade, can you jump on Skype? Like, show me how this works. And I'm like, sure, of course. So, you know, jump on Skype and, you know, walking him through the setup. And as we're going through setting up this app, he's having a bad time and it's not his fault. Like, the product is just not ready for prime time at all. Every step of the way, This is a painful experience and I'm taking copious notes, but I'm mostly like hoping not, like trying not to be too embarrassed because this is going rough. But we managed to get the Zap set up and we go to test it. So we say, hey, go to your site, fill out the Wufoo form. Smith's in there. Okay, let's go to AWeber, refresh your list. Let's see if it's in there. Boom, email address is in AWeber. His face lights up. He's like, oh my God, Wade, this is gonna save me so much time. How much money do I owe you? A light bulb goes off of me like, holy cow, like this is a horrible experience. Experience. And yet, because the promise was fulfilled, he's excited about that. And so I can compare—

then he gets to kind of enjoy the benefits of that automation moving forward. Totally. The best thing you have to worry about every day.

Totally. It's the exact opposite experience I had at the other company. And that moment, I felt like, if we can just make this easy to set up, if we can make this so that regular folks can do it, sky's the limit.

So you then you obviously set out on a mission to do that. Yeah. What was that process like going from that original aha moment to where we are today where you integrate with over 6,000 different third-party applications? Obviously, I'm sure you had a lot of twists and turns in between. You know, what were some of the milestones that stick out to you?

Well, yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's mostly just a lot of hard work, like, is what it boils down to. Um, there's obviously like some pivotal decisions that come in the mix, you know, we, you know, we're working nights and weekends for like 6, 9 months. We applied to YC and then got accepted, moved to California. So that was a big pivot point. You know, the first 50 or 100 integrations on the platform were built by us. Then we built our developer platform and now we started having all these other people building integrations. So that was a big pivot point. You know, we start growing the team, we decide we're going to do distributed only back at a time when that was like super weird and not normal. So there's like a lot of learnings around that. You know, we went from being an integrations tool. Zapier used to only have single trigger, single action, to now you could do these full-on workflows. You know, we went from being something that you could only use by yourself to being able something to use in teams and organizations. You know, now we've gone from workflow to AI and agents and orchestrating like all these workflows across as a company. And so, you know, mostly every step of the way has just been trying to layer in something new, expand the capabilities, deepen the capabilities. But at the heart of it, it's all just like ease of use. Like, you know, you mentioned like how much value you get out of this as a non-technical person who has some like creative horsepower. I'm the same way. And so that was the, that was the thing we were always fixated on is like, how do we take these technical tools that are so powerful but give access to most people in the workforce. Uh, and yeah, I, I think we've made a lot of headway, but I, I still think there's a lot more that can be done to like just make these tools much more broadly accessible. And I do think AI is going to be like a big unlock for a lot of new use cases.

I definitely want to spend time getting into that. But before we do, I mean, 2 million businesses is a massive amount of companies. So obviously, you know, we were just talking about product market fit, and you evolving the product through hard work, but sometimes hard work is not enough to get 2 million companies to adopt it. This is largely a podcast that has listeners in the marketing and advertising world that obviously clamor every day to capture attention and market share of the end consumer and business they're targeting. What was some of the secrets to your success that allowed you to capture some scale in the B2B world?

Well, I, you know, I think the one of the things we got right very early on was we had a at the time somewhat novel approach to distribution. Now it's been copied over and over again, but we stole this— stole, I say, we borrowed this tactic from, you know, a guy who made bingo card sites of all things. And he'd realized that, you know, he makes these bingo card sites, teachers will buy this stuff. And if, you know, teachers search for like history card bingo, he could rank number one if he had a page for history card bingo or physics bingo or, you know, insert like whatever bingo. Now, not a lot of people search for those things, but it didn't matter. He was number 1 in the rankings. And if he was able to spin up a landing page and got the cost to make a landing page for that low enough, all he needed to do was generate 1 sale and the cost of that page was profitable.

And then anytime anyone would search for that unique combination or search again, you would be the one there.

Exactly. And so we looked at that and said, huh, That kind of works for us too. Like most people are trying to do these integrations at the time. If you went and did a search for like integrating X and Y, the search results were abysmal. Like there was just nothing there for a, right? Like it was like, you know, scripts and GitHub repos and pastebins and API keys and just a bunch of stuff that like was not what people were actually looking for. And we're like, if we can give them just like an actual page that describes what they're looking for, a nice signup button, make an app, like that is going to be the ideal thing. And so, you know, we built out this app directory that, you know, allowed you to set up landing pages for every integration we supported. And so again, not that many people searched for the individual integration, but enough would. And then in aggregate, it actually works pretty good. And so as we added more apps to the platform, we had more keywords we could rank for, more people we could pull in. And then over time we layered in new channels and new ways. But that set— like, that set us up on like a really good an efficient foundation.

So interesting. So basically the use of your product essentially created a roadmap for content that you would optimize via SEO, and it was basically micro content for these micro use cases. But over time, in aggregate, you know, you would own all these micro use cases and aggregate would own the notion of integration.

Totally. It was so integrated to the core product experience. Like, I, I think this is often what, as an industry, we get wrong when we talk about product market fit. Um, yeah, I think a lot of folks treat that as like an ordered list where it's like, okay, do the product, okay, then do the market, and then make the fit. But it's actually one thing where it's like the best products, you can't distinguish between what's the product and what's the marketing. It's just so integrally tied together. It's one and the same.

I think a lot of companies obviously try to overcompensate for the lack of product-market fit. With marketing, and that never tends to work.

Well, you just— it's really expensive, right? That's what it boils down to, right?

At a time when, you know, there is a zero interest rate environment, you know, you saw a lot of companies grab growth because capital was everywhere. But then when capital became harder to come by, well, then you really saw, um, where the great products lied.

Totally.

So, and so you— we mentioned, you know, you made decision to go remote, which obviously, you know, you— a decision you made before was trendy. Another decision that you made before was trendy was a notion of bootstrapping. You know, we went through a world where venture capital funding was everywhere, and I know that your company went a very long time without raising outside capital. What was behind that decision, and how do you think it helped shape your culture?

There was like a couple things, I think. One, we were, um, probably naturally disposed to bootstrapping. You know, we were at this company Veterans United that was owned 50/50 by two brothers you know, they had never raised a dime. When I joined, I was employee 500. And when I left, like 10 months later, starting Zapier, they were already at 1,000 employees. So we'd seen what was possible building companies this way. Then, you know, we're from the Midwest. We're not around venture capital. You hear the stories of, you know, oh man, this venture capitalist came in and replaced the founders, fired the CEO, like took over everything. And, you know, we were just like, we don't want that. Like, we wanna own our company and we wanna make it great. And, you know, we wanna control our own destiny. So we had that sort of probably like natural disposition. I think the second thing was we also felt like, you know, we, because we had the product well suited, we had that distribution curve, money was never the constraint to growth for us. There was always something else that was, harder for us to figure out. So that was a thing in our favor. And then the third thing is when it like in software companies, the biggest expense you have is people.

It's all—

it's the number one thing on any— go look at any software company's P&L, you know, and you'll just see like salaries is like, you know, a huge, huge expense for them. And we had a very different approach to hiring than I think most companies did, which was We just didn't hire till it hurt. And part of why we did that is we wanted to make sure that every person that joined the company, there was a very real and visceral need for them. And we knew exactly what tasks assigned them because you'd hear these stories of these companies that would raise a bunch of money and then they'd hire 10, 15 people and then it was like a mess. Like, you know, no one knew what each other was doing. They're all trying to figure all this stuff out. And, you know, it's not this thing where you can just take a small company and toss bodies at the problem. And expect the machinery to all keep working. And so we were just a lot more, you know, meticulous about like adding new hands to the deck where it was like very clear, hey, if we set 2 more hands on this problem, we're going to get the output from it at the other side. And so that just naturally like kept our expenses pretty low and our output pretty high.

Yeah, well, actually more efficient. I think a lot of companies, they raise money, you have to spend it, especially in a zero rate interest rate environment, and you just bring on more and more people thinking that throwing bodies problems is going to solve them. But often throwing bodies at problems just creates more problems.

Yeah, well, it's been interesting to see on the other side of XRP now with AI, this is kind of becoming trendy. Like, I heard this word seedstrapping for the first time like about a month ago, uh, which when we were doing it, like, that, that didn't even exist. But now it's a thing where it's like raise one round and then just grow from there, uh, and a lot of more founders are paying attention to it and they're like, hmm, I think like with the AI, with agents, with automation, um, with low burn rates, fewer headcount. Like, it feels like an actual viable path for a lot of companies in a way that probably hasn't really felt that way for the last, you know, 10 years in tech.

Yeah, I mean, one reason why I believe is that used to be the gating factor of creating a software company was hiring a ton of engineers. And now many believe that you can just do it on your own without hiring any engineers. I don't think we're quite there yet, but you look at tools out there like Lovable and Cursor where you can, you know, build at least MVPs for software products just by entering prompts. What is your take on that whole, uh, you know, new, new movement of, of kind of do-it-yourself software engineering?

Oh, I think it's incredible. I think, you know, we're gonna see— we're— I think we're already seeing, um, two really big use cases. One is, um, you know, just like the age of personal software, um, where you as a person who has a need, you can just make something for yourself and you can use it for yourself. You don't have to try and sell the thing. You don't have to do anything else with it other than it's just like, it's software for me. I needed this thing, and so I built it. And I'm happy. And I think that's really neat that, um, you know, you can kind of have that phenomena. I think the second thing that you're seeing is the way software gets built, professional software gets built now, is changing. You know, it used to be you would have, um, you know, a product manager that would go out and, you know, talk to customers, talk to prospects, collect all this customer feedback in, form a hypothesis on the market. Then they would sit down with the designer and they'd start to mock up all these pages and figure out what that could look like. And then they would go get the developers around and they'll be like, okay, let's go build a prototype. And then, you know, that whole process could take 2 weeks, 4 weeks, etc. And then they're finally able to show something working to the customer. Well, now you can do that first part where you go talk to customers, etc., but you can then feed that into an LLM and say, hey, summarize my notes. Then you can say, hey, create a PRD for me. And then you can feed the PRD into these tools like Lovable Boat, whatever, and say, can you actually go generate a prototype for me? And the cycle time on that whole thing is one person who just does all the work and it takes a day, 2 days, etc. And so now you just have short-circuited this loop that every software company has had to go from and just meaningfully reduce the time to value. And so I think you're just going to see problems are being solved so much faster than they were, you know, even a year ago, to be honest.

Yeah, I mean, let's talk about that. I mean, we've talked, you know, offline just about how my experience as a customer of Zapier has just been elevated dramatically since AI is flowing through systems. It's almost like the best analogy I can give for those of you who haven't used it is I think pre-AI Zapier was like a really well-functioning factory and, but there were robots on the floor and now it's like there's humans on the floor. Like, you know, it's not as mechanical anymore because now you have the power of AI that can kind of fill in the gaps with real intelligence. And because of that, the power of what you create is, you know, 10,000-fold.

Yeah, spot on. Like, I, I think the, the real unlock that AI brought to tools like Zapier is the ability to work with unstructured data and unstructured text. You know, before, to your point, everything had to be like very mechanical. And so, you know, there was use cases that that's great for. It's like when this happens, do this, do this, right?

You get a lead on LinkedIn or Google Ads, you want to put it to a Google Sheet, it'll do that for you because it's very structured.

Exactly. But the moment you had to do, you know, take this PDF or take this big blob of text and do something interesting with it, it was like, ooh, I mean, we'll try for you, but you're probably not going to have a very good time with this type of use case. But nowadays you can say, you know what, actually, here's what I want to do. I want to take the lead that I got from my site. I want to go do a bunch of lead enrichment and maybe I hit a lead enrichment survey service, or maybe I go do a web search, you know, powered by ChatGPT or Claude or something like that. And I want to pull in a whole bunch of contacts there. Then I want to take all that context and I'm going to run it through a bunch of different prompts and generate a bunch of different outputs from that. And at the finish line, maybe I'm going to send off an email to them, or maybe I want to input all this stuff into a CRM And those types of use cases are so common inside of the workplace, but had been a lot harder to do with automation tools prior to AI availability.

Yeah, for sure. And now, of course, here in 2025, we're entering a whole new realm, the role of agents. What does AI agents mean to you and what are some of the more interesting use cases, especially in the realm of what your company can power?

Yeah. Uh, so agents, I think, are really impactful because you're— for the first time, we're having like real work problems that you can truly delegate the whole thing to software, where the, where the software can make decisions for you. So a good example would be, you know, if you're using Zapier agents, um, a real common use case is, hey, I want you to go reply to my emails. Which that's kind of like a crazy, like that's not a thing you would probably do before. And now, yeah, and now you can set it up and you can say, you know, you can give it rules. You can say, hey, I want you to look at, you know, say, say a common, common email that I get is for folks that are looking for a job. And I can say, hey, anytime someone comes in and asks me about a job, I want you to go look at our job page. I want to match it up to the job requirement. Then I want you to reply to this person with a link to the job. Can you do that for me? Great. So now anytime someone emails in with something like that, agent just takes over and does everything for you.

I could do that. I probably spend 15 hours a week in Zapier and I haven't even thought to do that. And that's just an example. It's the first thing that comes to your mind. There's just so much, so many use cases to unlock.

To me, this is where I, I get so excited because for the last 2 years, most of the attention has been on, you know, model sizes and you know, the funding rounds and all the drama, the personalities. Oh yeah, the personalities of AI. But I think most companies and even the folks that are like actually kind of on the cutting edge of this stuff, we are only tapping the surface around use cases. And so to me, more of this thing, this needs to happen where it's like, tell me how you're using it. What did you figure out how to do? And I think we're going to see just a lot more knowledge sharing around how this happens, you know, agent marketplaces and You know, whatever you name it. But like, that to me is where if the technology stopped advancing at all today, if we just, you know, that the servers got shut down, like nothing could happen. I still think that there is enormous amount of value that society has just not yet figured out how to unlock because we just haven't thought like, oh, I guess I could, I could make an agent for that.

So obviously it's going to have a massive impact on the workforce. It already is. Automation is sometimes another word for replacing people. It doesn't have to be, you know, I think the good CEOs will tell you automation takes away the mundane tasks from their employees so they can be more strategic, but not every employee can be more strategic, right? So what is your advice to people that are listening to this podcast in terms of what they should do to future-proof themselves so they can use tools like yours so they can be on the right side of this tidal wave of change, tidal wave of change that we're all experiencing?

Yeah. I, I think the, um, you know, I, I liken it to any sort of tech transformation. You know, I remember sitting down to talk to my mom where she, she works in a, a pharmacy at a hospital, and they used to do everything in the hospital by hand, you know, pen, paper, etc. Computers come along and, you know, hey, everything's going digital, that's how things are done. And so AI to me is just like another important technology shift where it's like, okay, you can, you can be the person that still is like, hey, I'm gonna do it pen and paper. But the reality is that whole industry, the whole world's moving to these tools. And so I think the best thing that I would advise to anyone is like, just get, um, build some fluency with these tools, uh, play with them, mess with them, experiment with them, figure out what these things will be. You know, right now is like one of the best times to do it because with relatively low investment you can stand out compared to everyone else in the market, compared to everybody else in your company, um, because you can kind of do simple things and people's jaw will drop. They'll be like, how did you do that?

Almost like an arbitrage opportunity right now because the knowledge gap is so wide. There are the 0.1% of people that really get it and understand where it's going, and the other 99.9% are just clueless. And if that 0.1% can— that understand this can leverage it and say "Look, I just created it." To the rest of society, it's like, "Did you spend months building this?" And the reality is like, "No, I spent an hour doing this." People don't really understand it. So it really gives you a disproportionate advantage if you can dive in right now. [Speaker:RYAN] Totally.

So be curious, go explore things, don't wait for permission. Just like sign up for one of the tools and just start messing around with it. And I, it, it's so funny, like there's something about, I, I do think one of the skills that's most important in technology transformations, but candidly, any time period is just human agency. You know, so often we are, you know, sitting around waiting for somebody to tell us, to give us instructions, to, you know, give me the command to tell me I'm allowed to go do this. But the most valuable skill in the workplace is just somebody who's like paying attention to the trends and saying, you know what, I think I can go solve that problem and, you know, independently just go take action and figure a thing out. That never goes out of style. I don't care like what, you know, you know, what technology shift hits, you know, the person that's willing to like independently think, go solve problems. Yeah, I want them on my team 10 out of 10 times.

Yeah, for sure. So the interesting thing about your product, you have 6,000 app integrations. It's so there are ways your product is being used in ways that you probably haven't even imagined it could, right? Because there's limitless ideas. What were some of the use cases that you heard of that you're like, wow, I had no idea that my product could do that. And it's massive.

Well, I'll tell you, so Zapier is built to be used in work. Like, that was the thing we were always paying attention to is like, how do we help people do work better? And so our mental model was just like so laser-focused on, you know, how do you make marketing better? How do you make sales better? How do you make HR better? How do you make IT better? So we had spent all this time thinking about those types of problems. And I remember one day going through, I think I was sifting through like a dashboard and I come across, um, you know, this app on the platform that I hadn't seen there before and it's EVE Online. Uh, and you know, for those who aren't familiar, EVE Online is this like niche, like online role-playing game. It's kind of like World of Warcraft. It's not quite as big, but it's got like this fanatical following. And I was like, wait, what? Why is that on set? Like, That, that just doesn't— one of these things is not like the other. So I end up reaching out to the guy who built it and like asking him like, hey, what's going on here? And it turns out EVE Online is known for having this like vibrant in-game economy that is actually tradable in real life. So you can like take whatever the in-game currency is and like swap those out for US dollars and all this sort of stuff. At least it was at the time. I don't know if it still is that way. And he was like, I have set up automation inside of EVE Online, so I get notified about certain in-game events and activities because if I do, I can create an arbitrage and like make more money out of this thing. And I was just like, holy cow, like, this is incredible. Like, we never even thought or considered that you would want to do something like that. And here is some random guy that's just like looking at the technology and saying like, you know what, I can do something pretty cool with that without us. Yeah. Like, it was just not a thing that we ever even considered or thought about or— Yeah. So that one was definitely pretty wild.

Yeah. I mean, I think to build on what you said earlier about playing around with the tools, I would say it's even a step further, which is you almost have to start with a problem that you want to solve and just be really focused on solving that problem. And then going step by step using a platform like yours and figuring out what are the applications that can help you solve it, understand what the data is behind it that can help you solve it, and have a good idea of what, like, you know, a solution looks like, and then build towards it. Because in going through that process, it really kind of things start to click for you in terms of actually what's possible. I think sometimes what people do is they just play around too much and then they, they're not grabbing on, they're not, they're not grabbing onto anything because it's just like almost too many things. There's too many options, right? It's a paradox of choice.

Yeah. Well, and the, the thing I also see is a lot too is, you know, folks who played around with ChatGPT, you know, 2 years ago and, you know, at the time they tried it and, you know, it wasn't as good as it is. Yeah. They were like, oh, AI's no good. It hallucinates all the time. Or like it does da da da da da. And at the time, that was actually correct. It was like, yeah, but the thing is, this AI, the whole industry is not stasis. It is like constantly improving. Yeah. And the pace is far beyond any industry I've ever seen in my career. And so I think the folks that I have seen that have like done the best work, they are pragmatic about what is possible today, but they're also thinking ahead. They're like, hmm, when the next model drops, when the cost goes down, here are some things that I might be able to do. So I'm going to kind of try and play around and figure out how to do it today, knowing that it may not be great with this, but as soon as the thing gets better, I might be able to just lock in and have a great new—

yeah, it's the worst it'll ever be, so to speak. Like, totally never use an AI today will by far be the worst it'll ever be. It's almost like if you tried streaming video online in 2001, what would your experience be? And, you know, you would have written off you know, Netflix and every other great company that's played in the entertainment space since then. YouTube, etc. Even— hey, so where do you see the company going? Obviously there's so many places you can take it. There's so much growth opportunity. It truly is, in my opinion, like the ultimate platform, right? Because as technology improves, as AI improves, as new applications are born, your company could just power those, right? And so, so to me it's like you're really just betting on innovation, um, in the future. And as long as we continue to innovate, Zapier will continue to grow in its use case and power. But given that, where do you focus?

Yeah, well, long term, the goal of the company is just make automation in all of its forms widely accessible, really easy for anybody to use. You know, we started with integrations, we layered in workflow. Now the big area is how do you make AI orchestration really easy for everybody? And so we're looking across these, you know, major categories of workflows in every function. We're looking at, you know, how do you generate content inside of an organization? How do you orchestrate your customer journeys? How do you do employee onboarding and offboarding? How do you do, you know, your IT helpdesk? These are all like really crucial, like processes that exist inside a function. And many of these processes exist across functions and they're all in data silos. They're in different tools. And the way in which it's done today is slow and fragmented and fragile. And I think there's a real opportunity for us to come in and help organizations at these critical business functions and reinvent those processes with AI at the center of them, saying like, hey, there's a new way to do this stuff and you're going to get outputs that you probably never thought were even possible here. And that's where I feel like the big opportunity is. And so our product portfolio, our product strategy underneath that is we're building capabilities, the building blocks that allow you to mix and match these different styles of automation. You know, you can do AI over here, you can do determinism over here, you can do workflows here, you can do agents there, you can do tables here. And so it allows that creator, that builder to go, you know what, this is exactly how I want to solve this problem at my company. So you don't have to take this like one-size-fits-all bespoke software off the shelf and just be like, well, I guess this is how the software is designed, so now that's how we're working. You can say, I want my company to work this way, and this— then you can fit the software to how you want to work.

Yeah, for sure. Of course, in order to make that dream a reality, companies need to hire the right people.

Yeah.

And then train the— those people on the right skill sets. What are some of those skill sets? Like, what have you seen to be true of people that really perform at a high level, both at Zapier and at other companies deploying tools like Zapier to drive this transformation?

I think, you know, coming back to the topic we were talking about before, high agency, like people who are naturally curious, natural self-starters who are just willing to like scratch an itch and go figure a thing out. They probably have some like, you know, natural tinkerer-like abilities. They're just sort of always like, you know, paying attention to how this stuff works. So that I think is one. Two, they work hard, like they're just— they care, they're passionate, they own something. You know, I think that is like hyper crucial. The third thing is, you know, I think you need folks, especially right now, who have creativity, you know, idea. It used to be like when we started Zapier, the way, you know, you never wanted to be the idea guy in the startup. It was like you always wanted the technical founder. The technical founder got like all the— like, he was like, that's the best person.

And nothing was possible without that person.

Totally. Yeah. And if you were the idea guy, it was like nobody wants to work with just the idea guy. But actually, I think with AI now, like if you combine this with high agency, these tools, ideas actually really do matter. Like if you have good ideas, if you have great judgment around like, ah, this is how this thing should work, and you combine that with curiosity and hard work, I think that skill set is like a, a really killer one in just about any domain, discipline. Anywhere.

Yeah, I think the notion of ideas being more valuable than ever before in this world is such a compelling one because I just think the path from making something a reality from an idea is shorter and more possible than ever before. So in the past, you'd have a shoebox of ideas, but it's like, yeah, how would you actually ever really get that done? You have to hire engineers from MIT and do this and do that. Where now, in a lot of instances, you don't. And in a lot of instances, if you have the idea, you yourself can make it a reality.

100%.

I mean, it's a crazy time to be alive. Um, and, and then, you know, you look at the new people coming into this world with, with all these incredible tools and just think about how quick things are moving and where this world is gonna be 5, 10, 15 years from now. It's kind of mind-blowing.

Yeah, I, I, it is. You know, I have, I have young kids and it's hard to think about. Yeah, I used to hear my parents talk about that, my grandparents, and I'd sort of roll my eyes. And now I find myself kind of doing the same thing where I'm like, wow, like, what is the world that they're going to grow up in? Like, it is going to be so different than, you know, the one I am. It's like you're going to have self-driving cars. Maybe you do have robots in your house that are like folding laundry and doing, you know, meal prep. And yeah, like, you know, what is even education going to look like in the future? Like, it is a really exciting time.

100%. So to wrap up here, I'd love to just ask a couple of questions about you and in terms of how you spend your time. Obviously, you know, you're sitting on top of a very successful company that is quite transformational in so many different ways. Where are you spending your time? What does the pie chart of your week look like so you can make sure that you continue to progress even from the high levels that you're operating at right now?

Yeah, uh, well, the idea and the reality are often farther apart than I care to admit, uh-huh. But I think, you know, at, at my best, I really like to spend a lot of time at the center intersection of product and marketing. I think right now we're just at such a unique point in time where, you know, you're trying to figure out like, how do you make a product that stands out? How do you make a product that's valuable? And how do you go tell that story out to the world? So folks actually get that, like, ah, this is the product that I'm looking for when a lot of stuff sounds the same, looks the same, etc. So I like to spend a lot of time there and I tend to try and spend my mornings like free, meeting-free, where I can sit down, think about these problems, work on the things that matter. And that could be everything from, you know, a product roadmap to like a landing page to a campaign that works, and literally down to like words on a page. Usually by the time lunchtime hits, though, a lot of stuff is sort of going off the ropes. And that's when I'm just like firefighting mode, reacting to this, that, or the other. A lot of meetings, reviewing things, etc. Just the, you know, kind of a lot of the typical management of a, you know, 700-person company at the end of the day.

Of course. And how do you spend your time keeping your finger on the pulse of these rapid changes we're seeing in terms of AI technology in general, even consumer trends, how you spend your time, you know, capturing information?

A lot of it is just, you know, carving out a little bit of time for myself to go play around with these tools. So I find certain things that, you know, are now like ingrained in my workflow. And then every now and then, you know, probably a couple of times a week, I'm just signing up for something new, messing around, doing some stuff. And that helps. But the second thing is I'm also really lucky to be in a company where there's a lot of people doing that and are also sharing what they're seeing and they're observing. So, you know, I'll get like to see somebody be like, I signed up for this tool, here's all the things I learned. You know, I don't think it's ready for primetime, but it had this really cool interaction pattern. And so like maybe there's something around this interaction pattern that like could be really interesting to learn from. And so that's just really nice to have like so many different eyes trying so many different things to just see you know, where there's, you know, interesting things being created right now.

For sure. Is there a tool that you use recently that just blew you away?

Well, I'll tell you the one that probably was the fastest into my, like, personal productivity stack, and that is this, uh, tool Granola AI, which is a, a meeting taker. Um, you know, there's a million and one of these meeting taker notes at this point in time, but Granola just like nailed it. Like they, I like, it's hard to express exactly like how intuitive and how like natural this thing is. But I, you know, I downloaded it and like right away I was just like, yep, I'm using this now. Like it just, there was like zero friction to becoming, which that's not the case. Like most tools are, you check 'em out, you're like playing around with it, you're trying to figure out the use case. That one was super fast.

Wow.

Very cool.

Awesome. Well, this has been such an amazing discussion. As you know, I'm a big fan and I can't wait for our audience not only hear this podcast, but hopefully get inspired to dive in and use your product and really elevate their careers. We often end our podcast by asking the guests if there's a mantra or phrase that helps encapsulate their professional journey. Just wondering what might come to mind for you.

Well, maybe it's a little cliché, but I grew up— I grew up in the '90s. I grew up a diehard Chicago Bulls basketball fan. They're the closest professional sports team, basketball team to me. And obsessed with Michael Jordan. So I wanted to be like Mike, you know, Mike's got Nike all the way through. And so just do it. Like, I think that is just an incredible mantra for entrepreneurship. It's just, just do it at the end of the day.

Well, there's no doubt, Wade, that you have just done it. So congratulations to you and all your successes at Zapier. And I can't wait to see what you continue to do to build your great company.

Yeah, thanks for having me, Matt.

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