Buying from a Breeder? Here’s How to Do It Right

Hello, dog peeps. Jack here. Just a quick one before we get into this episode. You may or may not be aware that when I'm not talking dog stuff with Max, I in fact interview people who are incarcerated in prisons across the United States on a show called One Minute Remaining Stories from the Inmates. And that show has been nominated for an award in America. And I would love your support if you've got 60 seconds to click the link in the show notes of this episode and just vote for my show. That would be amazing if you could. Thank you very much indeed. Oh, and don't forget to verify your email address. Otherwise, the vote does not count. Thank you. It's the Dog People Podcast with your host Jack Lawrence. Secretly, I decided to start this podcast for some free dog training advice. You know, Malinois seem to be like the dog at the moment. Like, I think people see them on Instagram doing these incredible things. Yeah. Go, oh my God, that's awesome. And then they get one like, oh my God, what the fuck have I done? And Max O'Neill.

You would not believe how many people I meet And I go, what made you want to get, say, an Aussie Shepherd? They go, I don't know. I go, had you met one before? They go, no. If you want to ask me how often I walk my own dog a week, it's only twice a week.

It's the Dog People Podcast, a podcast giving you a no-nonsense approach to dog training so you never have to shout, it's okay, he's friendly. My name is Jack Lawrence, not a dog expert at all, just a dog training enthusiast. But of course, Max O'Neill is here from the Down Under Dog Trainer, who is the man in the know about everything to do with dogs. And today, Max, we're not focusing on any particular training or behavioural issues. We're going right back to the very beginning, to a topic where there'll be people that disagree with what we're talking about. But we just want to say right off the bat, we're not sitting here to say that breeders are the way to go for you. We are just here to say, we know people get from breeders. And Max, we want to make sure people get the right breeders.

Exactly. So today we're working on the assumption that you've chosen to get a— you want to get a new puppy and you've chosen to go down the breeder route. And again, we're not trying to convince you today whether to go one way or the other. I mean, even with Jack and I, we're on different sides of the same fence. Jack's dog, Kira, is a rescue. Nelson's from a breeder. That's not what the debate is about today. Today is if you or someone you know is going, all right, I've decided I want this breed and I'm now actively looking for a breeder of this breed. We're going to help you to find a good one. We've already done an episode on how to select the right breed for you. If you haven't listened to that, go back and listen to it. That's a really important step in the purchase process of getting a dog. And if you're sort of undecided between a breeder or rescue, that will be an episode that is coming too. But it's not the point of today's episode.

Just want to make sure you get the right If you're going that route, then we want to make sure you go the right way.

Exactly. So, what I've written down is 11 criteria points that I personally consider when looking for a breeder. And they're things that I recommend friends, family, colleagues, whatever, if they're looking for a dog too. These are all the sorts of things that will come. So, in no particular order, I would say that this breeder, if you're looking for a breeder, should be breeding 1 or 2 different breeds maximum. What I mean by that is when I used to be in the dog show circuit, so I've shown dogs at Crufts, I've shown dogs in Australia. Um, you'd often see people rock up that, you know, let's just say that their name is Jack's Pugs. Jack might also have Jack's Bulldogs, Jack's this, Jack's that, and Jack will rock up there with 5 or 6 different breeds. Now I consider that a little bit of a red flag personally. Okay, 1 or 2 breeds, you can know everything about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But to really know a dog as inside and out as you should enough to breed them, having 5 or 6, that's probably not realistic. And it also to me just shows that they're kind of ribbon chasing. They're rocking up to a show And they're kind of going, oh, well, I'm not the best golden retriever breeder, so now I'm also going to do this. Well, I'm not the best pug breeder, so now I'm also going to do the cattle dogs. And just all these different things. It's to me, it's like you can't really do that breed justice and you don't know necessarily as much. You might not know about all of them. I would find a breeder who's doing 1 or 2 different breeds maximum. But if they're doing 5 or 6 breeds, they're probably not breeding for the best interests of the dogs or to really put out the best, highest quality possible dog.

They're just trying to cover all bases so that they get the maximum sales. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. And just, and do a bit of ribbon chasing.

We're a one-stop shop.

Yeah, exactly. And that leads me to my second point, which is ideally breeding should be a bit of a passion project and not as someone's sole source of income. There's a reason for that. Okay. So quite often what I've seen is there's a pretty direct relationship between when, like, breeding can be profitable and that's cool. There's no shying away from that. But when it's people's sole source of income, they tend to then rely on that, which means they make shortcuts. I've seen plenty of breeders in, you know, the working world, show world, pet world, whatever, who will go, God, like, you know, this last breeding didn't take. I'm a little bit desperate. I need to get a litter out. I might just put that dog with that dog. And even though that might be not a nice complement at all, you're like, really? That dog's temperament and that dog's temperament, that's just going to make this absolute, you know, mess of a, you know, of a litter. And sure enough, it goes that way. But if they weren't breeding for money, they would say, it's all right, I don't need the money. I'll just wait until next year and try again. But if you're kind of like desperate, it means things are shortcutted, overlooked. And that's just— I've seen that on a far more sinister— I've seen where brothers and sisters are mated, you've had a litter of 8 inbred dogs who they won't tell the people about. I've seen all sorts of complications. So you generally want someone who's doing this as like a hobby or a side thing, generally not their sole source of income. Again, there's always going to be caveats to that. I know a couple of breeders who this is their career And they're fantastic of it. They do an amazing job. They don't take any shortcuts. But I'm just generally saying that that can be, but not always, a red flag.

I'm personally, for my next dog, going to be looking at a specific breed. And there's one particular breeder I found. It is all they do, but they are a big organisation. They don't just breed dogs. They train dogs for people as well. They're sending dogs overseas to be gundogs for sport, for working purposes. So, it's a whole organisation.

Breeding isn't their sole source of income.

But they only breed 2 dogs. They do Labradors and Springers. So they just do the 2 breeds. Don't laugh. I knew that off the top of my head. We didn't just massively cut and edit in there because it took me an hour to work out what the name of a Springer was. Anyway. So yeah, so it's not, I mean, you obviously with these situations, it's a case-by-case basis, but in general, you would suggest that if this was their full-time only income that they were getting, bit of a potential flag, just do a little bit more research.

Yeah.

It means they're generally just, you know, really trying to put out as many dogs as possible for as much money as possible.

And often that can mean shortcuts there.

are made. And then generally that coincides with points 3 and points 4. Point 3 is hip and elbow scores, and point 5 is breed-relevant genetic testing. So when I was looking for my dog Nelson a couple of years back, this was a huge one, okay? Especially being a larger breed, I wanted to know that the parents had really good hip and elbow scores. Again, this is super important for any breed, but you want to make sure that they're not only doing this testing, but that they've actually got good scores. If you're not sure what a good score is, generally you want the scores to be fairly balanced. So you don't want a hip that's 9 on the right and then 2 on the left. You want them pretty balanced, like within 1 or 2 points of each other, and you want that number as low as possible. The golden goal is 0-0, but anywhere below a 5 is pretty good depending on the breed. And you want—

And they should be happy to give you all this information as well.

Oh yeah, this should be something that they advertise, right? And on the website you might look at— when I looked at Nelson's dad, this is, you know, Xavier Arkin. He's, you know, hips are this and this. It should be something that's advertised. If a person says And if they say, we don't know them or won't do them, I would just tick them off your list.

Move along.

Because there's probably a good reason they don't do that. It's probably because the parents have got terrible hips and dogs with poor health really shouldn't be bred from because so much of that stuff is genetic. And then if you've got a dog with really, really poor hips that at 6 or 7 ends up with hip dysplasia, arthritis, and it can't do anything anymore, it's a chance that most of the litter will also end up with hips like that. And you're just setting up a family for misery when their 6-year-old dog can no longer go for walks. live on the couch for the next 6 years. So that's why hip and elbow scores are really important, um, as well as breed-relevant genetic tests. So same when I had— when I was looking, um, for Nelson, my Rottweiler, there's things that are inherent to the Rottweiler that can go wrong with them. Um, so that was something we looked at a lot— heart murmurs, something called JLPP, etc. And then when I was getting my Weimaraner before that, years and years back, is there was a whole host of other things. So it's worth doing your own homework. And if you're looking up a particular breed, you would want to look up these specific things and ask the breeder, are you testing for these? What was the results? Because again, if they're going, nah, we don't test for it, there's probably a good reason. If you're genuinely concerned with trying to improve the breed, and that's what every breeder should be trying to do, is find the healthiest, best examples of the breed and reproduce from them so that every generation gets healthier, happier, more sound of mind, is if they're not doing this thing, then they're not only not contributing to that, but they're probably, you know, ignorant for a reason. It's probably likely their dogs wouldn't pass that. And again, these genetic things can be awful. You can see puppies born with cleft lips, bulging eyes, you know, degenerative disc disease in their spine, all sorts of things that means dogs are super costly, super unhealthy, super unhappy. And it's really unfair on the dog and the family that adopts them going forward. So, you definitely want a breeder who tests for these couple of things. Next one. Again, a bit of a controversial one. You want someone that's actually a breeder, not just a random. Getting dogs off Gumtree is—

I was going to say, don't get a dog off Gumtree.

Don't get a dog.

Or a sign that you drive past on the street that says puppies for sale.

Puppies for sale. It's just unfortunately, you know, it's, it's lovely that someone's gone, I've decided to breed my dog and show the kids. But I can tell you from being on the frontline training, the amount of homes I go in, I have to talk 2 or 3 people every day out of breeding from their dog. We'll finish an entire consult. They'll have the most nervous, neurotic, reactive, anxious bloody dog you've ever seen. And then they go, Yeah, we're actually going to breed her with the neighbor's dog of the same breed because we think it would be great. And, you know, we want to show all this stuff. We want to show the kids what, you know, recreating life means. I'm like, put on Lion King or something.

Yeah, watch a documentary. Don't start. I saw actually, I was watching a video the other day because I watch a lot of these training videos and there was a lady in it, one of the trainers that I watch online. And she was just like, the dog was a mess and she just had no idea what she was doing. And she said, yeah, I've been thinking about breeding. And I'm just like, don't, please don't.

Exactly right. Because with genetics, so much like not only the parents' bodies passed on, which we just spoke about the physical health, but the parents' minds are passed on. So if you've got this dog who's extremely hard to handle with all these behaviour problems, there's a good chance that half the litter, if not more, will end up with the same problems. As well as that, if they're not a registered breeder, they're probably not doing hip and elbow scores. They're probably not doing genetic tests. And if you've ever got anything wrong with your dog going forward, they'll go, oh, well, you know, it's not my problem. Whereas if you get from a good breeder, if you go, hey, look, like My puppy's really freaking unhealthy and this and this was missed. I'll go, really sorry, here's some money towards your medical bills. Or, you know, if you for whatever reason can no longer look after that dog, a good breeder will take that dog back in so you don't have to send it to the pound or the rescue. So that's why you want to go a good breeder. There's a whole host of reasons, but again, just predictability. You don't know what you're going to get off Gumtree. And as well as that is people are full of shit on Gumtree. There's a lot of people out there. I see, I see dogs that have come from Gumtree every day. There's some beautiful dogs. There's some dogs where people just go, mate, this has been the absolute lemon of a dog. I love him, but he's got this issue, that issue, that issue.

And half the time, I guarantee you that there's people advertising certain breeds and their dog is not that breed. They'll be like purebred Rottweiler. And it's just like, absolutely not.

That's a Kelpie Lab. You see that all the time too.

So don't get lured by cheap. Because I think that's the other thing is buying a purebred animal of any sort is not a cheap experience. So don't just see an advert on Gumtree for a purebred, whatever it might be, and it's like $1,000 cheaper than what you would have to pay and go, well, we'll get that. No. I guarantee you'll end up paying more.

More, exactly, in vet bills, training, etc.

Yeah.

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And that brings us to the next point is you want to, you want to meet the parents. So if you've got a breeder, obviously for the dogs, you know, AI or the, you know, the semen's imported or the dad's now dead and the semen's been frozen, whatever, you might not always get a chance to do this, but as often as possible, you want to meet the parents because again, the The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Your dog is either going to be like mum or it's going to be like dad. And if you get there and you go, mum sat in a corner shaking at the sight of us, and then dad tried to bite us as we came through the gate, it's like, well, which one of those do you want? And if the answer is neither, yeah, turn around and walk away. You want to meet the parents. And again, every good breeder, again, unless that they can't because, you know, oh, well, the dad's semen was imported or whatever, whatever. Unless it's that situation, a breeder should be proud to go, yeah, here's where my dog came from, like show them off. For example, like Nelson's breeders, uh, shout out to Klimke Rottweilers in Adelaide, actually let me come and stay with them for 2 days. I was, you know, we wanted to get a working line Rottweiler who's doing protection work but also a family pet. So I was very, um, what's the word, strict on what I wanted and wouldn't settle for anything less. And they were like, hey, we're so confident you like our dogs, come and we'll put you up and stay with us for 2 days. A good breeder will want to show off their parents. If they say Oh, no, you can't meet them. Oh, this or that.

Got a photo.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Generally a red flag. And again, people will flat out lie through their teeth to you and say, oh, here's a photo of their dad, or this is their dad.

And that's just one they found on Google image search.

Exactly. And it's not that at all. So generally when people haven't met their parents, it generally ends up pretty poorly. All right. Next step is you want to ask what titles that dog may have. Now, this might sound pretentious, but let me explain. Generally, if you're breeding, you're either breeding for show or for work. Okay. You're either breeding that dog, you know, although you breed them for pet homes, generally the parents of those pets are either going to compete in the show ring. Nearly all breeders compete in the show ring or they're breeding them for work. So, if they're doing one of those 2 things, which they probably are and probably should be, because that's all it's about advertising and showing off the best examples of the breed and upholding breed standard, is you want to ask, well, how good are you at that thing? I see so many people go, oh yeah, we got, you know, this bloody German Shepherd from here and their parents compete in this sport and that sport. And then you look at like, yeah, but they got disqualified from that sport because the dog was just absolutely mental. Or yeah, these parents get showed, they do this every weekend. But again, it's like, well, yeah, but they also haven't awarded that dog anything because it's got dodgy hips and, you know, teeth coming out the side of its head. Like, so it's just one of those things where, again, this is probably not the most important thing on the list, but most breeders will do show or work and you want to see, well, Again, if am I getting, you know, from good stock or am I getting from a dog who's potentially a bit dodgy? And when, you know, when you're showing a dog or working a dog, you're having what you hope is an expert look over that dog and tell you whether they're a good example of a breed that should be passed on. And again, if this dog's just fried mentally or physically, it's quite poor. And someone who's an expert on the breed is saying, I wouldn't recommend reproducing from that. Well, then you shouldn't, because then you just get 8 more people. And that's slowly over generations, generations, generations, how you end up with dogs who have just completely changed. Like, Again, one of my favorite breeds, the German Shepherd. But if you look at the average German Shepherd now, they've got a bloody downhill back and legs that hardly work. You look at, you know, French Bulldogs and what's happened to them, they've got noses pushed back into their head. You look at Bull Terriers, that, you know, mound on the front of their heads got bigger, bigger, bigger. And you look at breeds where they're at now compared to 100 years ago, and some of them, especially more popular breeds, have changed so drastically and not for the better. So as much as that point there might sound a bit pretentious, it's really not. It's for the better.

Well, I mean, a lot of people might listen to that and go, well, hold on a second, Max, I'm not interested. I don't care. I'm not planning on breeding. I don't know, showing my dog or, you know, taking it to sports. But it's not about that. It's about knowing that your dog is coming from a top-of-the-line part of the breed.

Exactly. Because if for the next 100 years we keep overlooking these things and it's not important, and I get that you might not have no intention of showing or working your dog and, or, you know, competing with your dog, and nor should you. Like, that's not what this is about. But again, you want to know that your dog, I guess, could if it needed to, because it fits a breed standard. Because if for the next 100 years we keep overlooking these things, like, I'd hate to see a a French Bulldog in the year 2125 because they probably won't exist anymore.

Their face will be inverted.

Yeah. Yeah.

Or kill them because they'll have this absolute concave. I saw an English Bulldog last year with an anus on the top of its body, like a dolphin's blowhole, because its hips were so anteriorly rotated that when it shat, it shat up in the air and then the poo fell.

Sorry.

Anyway, guys, not what you expected to hear on your morning driving to work. But that's what I mean. We're killing dogs by just overlooking these things where if that dog was in a show ring, there's no way a judge would say, hey, you should reproduce. So probably rambled there. Sorry to go on a weird dog tangent.

But it's important. This is an important topic because as we said at the very start of this, there's a lot of people that are very anti the breeder thing and say you should never buy from a breeder. We're saying, you know what? People do. We know that, but they have their own reasons to do that. If we do it properly and we do it the right way with the ways you're talking about, then again, it reduces the amount of dogs that hopefully end up in shelters.

Exactly.

Because ethical breeders, as you said, if there's a major issue to the point where you can't keep that dog anymore, they'll take the dog back. They won't just say, well, not my problem. See ya.

Exactly. I do a lot of work with shelters and a lot of, a lot of the times dogs are forfeited, which is sad, is because people can't afford to take care of that dog.

Yeah, the vet bills and—

Extreme vet bills or extreme training or whatever. So if you get a dog who's just sound of mind and body, you're going to lower your ongoing costs going forward, which means dogs stay in their homes. So that's why that part's important. Next one is socialisation. We won't go too deep into this. We're not going to explain that much about what socialisation is because we've done a whole podcast episode on that. go back and listen to it. But this should be something your breeder is highly concerned about. When your dog first becomes aware of their environment around the 3 to 8 week marks is already socialisation begins. So if you get your dog at 8 weeks and the breeder has done nothing, that's 5 weeks unaccounted for. So it's all good if this dog, oh yeah, they came from a farm and whatever else, and they've lived in this really peaceful, quiet environment. They might have enjoyed that, but it's not necessarily the best thing for them going forward. So you want to ask a breeder, hey, like what sort of socialisation stuff you do with your puppies? And again, if they say, Oh, we don't do anything. That's your job. That's a little bit of a red flag. It's not going to instantly make me go, yeah, nah, I'm good. But it's something that you definitely want to see in a breeder that they're taking that seriously and already preparing your puppy from going home.

Because there's so many things they can do, even if they are, even if you're buying from a place, you know, out in the bush, there's still plenty of things that they can be doing to help you with socialisation. For someone to say, oh, nah, it's your job. I mean, I wouldn't bother with that person. I would move on.

No, exactly right. I mean, Nelson, if you ever meet Nelson, And although he does his protection work, he is the safest dog I've ever met around kids. He is so safe, reliable, trustworthy. And part of the reason is because when I got there to Adelaide, when he was 5 weeks old, they just used to stick the grandkids in there and let these little Rottweiler puppies climb all over them. So from the get-go, he's understood children. He's not freaked out by them. He's not overly excited by them. He's just like, oh cool, I love kids. And part of that was because he came socialised. So definitely something you want to make sure your breeder is doing. Next one is you want a dog— you want a breeder, sorry, who's breeding dogs toward the breed standard. What I mean by that, you don't want breeders trying to create these scat variations like fluffy bulldogs or blue Labradors or dwarf Aussie shepherds, any crap like that. Again, all these things are just health issues that have become popular. French bulldogs should not be fluffy, okay? Is what you're seeing is, you know, some sort of disease that that dog has got that they've reproduced from. And I guarantee you, if a dog has got some genetic defect like it's an incorrect colour, an incorrect coat type, or an incorrect size, it's probably got other things wrong with it. Is I've got this— I saw this dog that I trained a while back that was like a very, very, very miniature Aussie Shepherd. And on top of that, had all sorts of things. It nearly died about 3 times before it was a year old. I've had a couple of these fluffy Frenchie bulldogs now, and they can hardly bloody breathe. Their hips are all screwed. 2 of them are blind. And then I've had a quote unquote blue Labrador that was really just a Labrador cross Weimaraner, which of course then had a Weimaraner personality, which was not what these people were expecting. So again, although these variants are cool and exotic and you might be the only person on the block with a dwarf mini fluffy blue frickin Labrador or whatever, you know, this super long title again is these things are generally, if they're not the breed standard, again, it's not to be elitist or purist, but to get—

Well, it's just not fair on the dog either.

It's not fair on the dog. It's like, well, we're going to sacrifice this dog's vision just so it can have a fluffy coat, or we're going to breed this with something entirely different, not tell you about it just to change its appearance, or We're going to reproduce from this dog with a dodgy frame just so it's slightly smaller and cuter and looks like a puppy forever. But again, all the— I've never met a dog with some sort of weird variation to it that isn't healthy. It's that they're all just absolutely cooked, unfortunately. So if you see someone doing like that, like, oh, we sell fluffy Frenchies, blue Labradors, dwarf Aussie Shepherds, you name it, they're probably not a healthy dog. And again, are they really trying to better the breed?

No.

No, not really. They're trying to cash in on like a trend and they're probably going to charge you double for a dog that's going to cost you also triple in vet bills. So, I would run the other way when I see that sort of stuff. Last couple. Number 1, do they breed the type that you— the type of dog that you want? For example, when I was looking for a Rottweiler, I came across lots of breeders that advertised a couch potato. Did I want a couch potato? Absolutely not. I wanted a dog who could work. But that might be different for you. You might be getting a German Shepherd, for example. This is one of the most common ones. And you might not realise there is a variation between show line and working line.

Show line.

Yeah.

The show line have had most of the instinct, drive, and all that stuff bred out of them. So, they are very much house pets. But a working line German Shepherd is a very, very different dog. One of the most common scenarios I see on a daily basis is people saying, we've had 8 German Shepherds, but our 9th one is just absolutely mental. Why do you think that is? Well, you got 8 from a show ring, and then this one you got from a different breeder, which is a working line. And that dog wants to work and not just go for a 40-minute walk a day. This dog wants to properly work and vice versa. So for his next dog, you want to get a—

Working line Labrador.

Working line Lab. So does that mean he wants the big 45-kilo couch potato Lab? No, not fit for purpose at all. So find a breeder that is breeding the type of dog that you want, because this can go a long way to making sure you've got one that's truly compatible. Again, I knew I wanted a Rottweiler. Did I want any Rottweiler? Absolutely not. I need one that is fit for purpose. And because we did our research, looked around, And, you know, didn't just say yes to the first thing that came along. We got exactly the dog we want, and Nelson fits our home like a glove. Right, I can tell you if we've got any other type of Rottweiler, it probably wouldn't have been what we're looking for. Brings us to our last point is, are these breeders officially registered? So New South Wales, Queensland, Victoria, or, you know, if you're listening to us from Australia, basically you'll have websites like Dogs New South Wales, Dogs Queensland, Dogs Victoria, Dogs South Australia, etc. Okay, and again, this is not to be elitist, but your breeder has to meet Certain minimum standards in order to be officially registered. They have to be doing the right health checks, providing dogs in a nice clean home. I guarantee you there's not a single puppy farm or puppy mill that is listed on Dogs New South Wales or Dogs Queensland, because if they tried to get their breeder licence, they would not be approved. Simple as that. So, the reason you're going to websites like that is because you know these people have been approved, and that means they're providing good, safe, sterile, clean, ethical environments that their dogs are bred under. Okay. So, that's a good shout. If you're looking for a breeder for your next Border Collie, go to Dogs New South Wales, Dogs Queensland, or the state you're in, or for whichever country you're listening from. Shout out to those of you abroad, is there'll be a similar website for you for the country you're in where you can see registered breeders. And again, this is not to be elitist, but you want to support people who are doing the right thing, not people who are breeding 600 dogs a year for profit.

I mean, it's no different to buying anything like, you know, a brand new car, for instance. I mean, you don't go to the local shit box place around the corner that's, you know, that doesn't have the warranties and, you know, doesn't have the checks on it or whatnot. You know, you go to the person who's doing it properly. And it's no different with this. You go to the right people, the people who are doing it properly, the people that are ticking all the boxes. They're not a backyard breeder. They're a proper registered breeder.

Yeah, that's it. The problem isn't breeders as a whole. It's the people that are doing a shitty job of it, putting out way too many dogs, way too many poorly healthy and poorly behaved dogs that are really filling up the system at the shelters. It's not the people that are really trying to do the right thing and only producing a couple of litters a year to the right homes and providing the right dogs for them.

I mean, there is a lot there to consider.

Yeah.

All those points.

Yeah.

But this is why this is so important. Again, going back to the whole purpose, if you're going to go breeder, which is nothing— we believe there is nothing wrong with that if you do it right.

Exactly.

If you support the right people that have got the right intentions in mind. Anyway, that's our 11 points, guys. We might've missed one or two. If you think we have, post it in the group. If you think You know, if you're looking for a breeder and need some help, just let us know. We're there every step of the way.

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