Question time: Night-Time Toilet Troubles & Are Dog Beaches the New Dog Parks?
28 Sept 2025 · 21 min
In this episode of The Dog People Podcast, hosts Jack Lawrence and Max O'Neill answer three listener questions covering (1) an 11‑month‑old puppy’s nighttime potty regression and how to re‑establish the cue that the dog must hold until morning, (2) the risks and best practices for off‑leash dog beaches, including location recommendations on the Gold Coast and strategies to avoid dog fights, and (3) difficulties a handler faces when teaching a ‘send‑out’ exercise with multiple toys, leading to confusion and fixation. Max explains the underlying developmental stage (adolescence) that can cause regression, outlines a negative‑punishment/negative‑reinforcement protocol for nighttime toileting, and suggests patient, leash‑held “stand‑and‑wait” walks. For beach safety he warns about unregulated off‑leash areas, advises off‑peak visits, keeping dogs on a short leash, and provides two quiet local off‑leash spots (Golden Valley Drive in Tallabudgera Valley and Shearwater Esplanade in Runaway Bay). Regarding send‑outs, he recommends simplifying the exercise, using differential reinforcement, and gradually introducing a second toy while ensuring the dog does not fixate on a single reward. The episode also includes sponsor reads for Grow Therapy, Experian, Total Wine & More, Designer Shoe Warehouse, and NyQuil.
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It's the Dog People Podcast, the podcast hopefully giving you a no-nonsense approach to dog training so you never have to shout. It's okay. It's friendly. My name is Jack Lawrence. Max O'Neill from the Down Under Dog Trainer. We're taking some listener questions, Max. The pod, the Facebook, if you want to get involved. It's the Dog People Podcast Facebook. Jump in there, ask away, and we will get them answered. Charisma has a question, Max. It says, hey Jack, Max, my dog is potty trained, but I have something that's been popping up recently that I find a little frustrating. Our dog is crate trained and sleeps in his crate overnight. We give him the opportunity to go outside and go to the toilet every night, but he's being stubborn lately and not listening to our cues. In brackets, we trained this with him since he was little and was always really good at listening. I'll end up leaving him outside for a good 10 minutes. When I realise he's not listening and get sick of waiting around, we go back in. He'd been making it through the night without needing a potty break for many months now. He's 11 months old, but recently he's been waking me up around midnight to go to the toilet, which is obviously because he's not going when I give him the chance before bed. How can I establish to my dog that if he chooses not to go when I give him the chance, he won't be going until the morning?
So this is a funny one. It's something we do see a lot. We do sometimes see general regression at that sort of age. So around about the 6 to 8 month mark, sometimes 10 month mark depending on the breed, our dogs will enter adolescence or puberty. Now with each sort of stage of development, from being like an absolute baby to a bit of a puppy juvenile to an adolescent to an adult, we will see different instincts and needs and everything kicks in. One of which is our dogs just re-exploring everything. Our dogs have got the instinct to constantly maximise their situation. In fact, that drives everything they do. How can I better my situation? How can I run towards pleasure? How can I escape discomfort and avoid discomfort, etc.? So what that happens is around puberty, we start to see our dog go, hold on a minute, I've been doing this without really asking any questions for months now. What happens if I don't do it? What happens if I start doing this instead? Will this maximize my situation? And so that could be part of it, but we also see toilet training regression, uh, quite a lot in a In a lot of dogs for the following reason. Again, your dog wants to maximise their situation. How many of you do this pattern where you take your dog out for a toilet and they spend a few minutes going like sniffing around, they finally pee, you take them straight back inside?
Yeah.
What have you just done then?
I get what you're saying. Reinforcing as soon as you pee, it's back in the door.
Negative punishment. So hey, as soon as you pee, we're going to take you inside. And the dog goes, well, I'm going to hold my pee. And eventually they hold it longer and their walk gets longer. They hold it longer, And soon you're standing out there for 10, 20 minutes. You know, goes, man, I'm going to hold this pee.
Am I?
This walk's going to get longer and longer. You're reinforcing them holding it, and then eventually the moment you do pee, you take the walk away from them. So quite often our patience runs out before their bladder strength, and we take them in before they've had a chance to pee. And then you create them like, oh, I didn't do my final one. So instead, you need to flip this on its head. I want you guys to, if you know charisma, but also if you're having this same issue. I want you to take your dog out on a leash and stand there in one place. Now you're going to have to be so incredibly patient at this initially because your dog might stand there looking at you for 10 minutes going, I don't know what's going on. This is weird. This is not how things normally go. Okay. Stand there for 5, 10 minutes. If it doesn't happen, go back inside. Try again in half an hour. We don't want to develop the association that all we do is just stand there. So give them 5 minutes, go back inside if they don't toilet, try again soon. But All you're going to do is you're going to say, I'm not going to let you off until you pee. So peeing doesn't stop the walk, peeing starts the walk. So that's one big thing we did with Nelson as a puppy. We'd take him downstairs, we'd take him to the grass, and we'd stand there on a leash. The moment he peed, we'd unclip him. Now he gets to explore. So he's motivated to pee as soon as he can because peeing starts the adventure.
Yeah, right.
Peeing doesn't stop it. So we go out there nowadays, we don't have to do it. He's just in a nice routine where he goes out and Especially being a male.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He just wants to cover everything.
He just goes 700 times since he got to my house.
Yeah, exactly. Just drain Jack's, you know, cover Jack's fence. So that's what you want to do. Go out there with Bundy, stand there on a leash. And again, this requires commitment from you. This isn't going to work overnight.
It's going to take a week or two to form that new association.
And you can double the reinforcement by going, hey, I will let you off this leash and give you freedom, negative reinforcement. And I will also back this up with adding food into the situation. Positive reinforcement once you pee. Okay, then our dog can have a couple of little explorations and then we take him back inside. That way we know if they're crying in their crate doing their thing, blah blah blah, we know, well, I can call bullshit on that because I took you out to the toilet earlier. In terms of what to do overnight, whether you ignore them or not, it's a really, really tough one, right? Because everything online will say ignore them, never respond to their cries, blah blah blah blah blah. But you might find in the morning, oh, my dog overnight and now they've just rolled in it and they're covered and they're disgusting and now they don't want to go on it tomorrow. So that part's really tough. I would say if you're at the stage at the moment where you're not quite getting the trip, where you're like, well, I take him out, he doesn't go, then I have to put him in the crate. If he does bark and cry overnight, I do want you to go and take him out. Look, you can try not, and for some clients that works brilliantly. The dog will hold it all night, and that's aversive in itself. Uh, but me, I'm like, all right, cool, you're crying, you need to go out, fine. But I will come in, I'll clip him on the leash, I will not give him any affection, any eye contact, nothing. It's purely transactional. I'm going to take you outside. I'm going to stand there on the leash for a minute. If you pee, I'm not going to let you off. If it's a middle of the night one, we go out, it's all business, no party, straight back in the crate. And then if they don't, if you provided them the opportunity and they still didn't do it, and then they go back in the crate, well, all right, you were clearly tough.
Yeah.
Tough love. Uh, let them cry it out until the normal time in the morning. Dogs are pretty miraculous at holding for quite a while. Um, I see the occasional apartment dog that holds their bladder for like nearly 24 hours. I'm not saying I agree with it, whatever else. But yeah. So that's how I would approach that one, Charisma. I hope that answers your question.
Hey guys, loving the podcast. Would you consider an off-leash dog beach the same as a dog park and make it a no-go zone? I saw you took Kira to the dog beach in one of your videos you shared, Jack, so thought you guys might feel differently. The reason I ask, my husband and I have always dreamt of the day we could take our dog to the exact dog beach. We're an active couple and have always loved walking in the stretch of beach. About three weeks ago, we took our nine-month pup to beach. We usually only go in on-lead areas with a long line, but the dog beach seemed super quiet, and we thought what better opportunity for his first off-leash experience? Unfortunately, the first dog that greeted Bundy attacked him, and luckily my husband and I were together as the same owner had a second dog that decided to get in on the action. Between myself and my hubby, we were able to get the dogs off Bundy. When the dog ran for Bundy, Bundy was focused on his favorite toy. Was this my mistake? Should I not have brought a toy? I did answer this one in the comments. I don't usually go to the dog beach myself. If I do, I choose times that are less likely to be busy. And I also don't mind the dog beach as well because you can give yourself space. What do you think, Max, when it comes to dog beaches?
Yeah, they're certainly more wide open. So we don't have that containment element where like, let's fence everyone in. But with that being said, anywhere where you encourage the general public to go with their untrained dog in an off-leash manner, dangerous, with zero regulation is going to be a problem.
Yeah. But I think the general rule of thumb is that if you're going to take your dog to a dog beach, pretty dangerous.
Like, I just came here from the beach, but I kind of sat up, um, you know, had a water while I sort of just watched everything, scoped it out, was like, cool, there's not any dogs there that are going to react to Nelson in particular, and we had a safe visit. So in that situation, I don't think you guys did anything particularly wrong. There's certainly some people I'll encourage. I'm like, look, if you are gonna go against advice and go to these places, cool, but I would have certain caveats. Knowing Bundy, knowing what he's like with toys, I don't think you guys did anything wrong in that moment with taking his toy. Some dogs will be resource guardy. Some dogs get so focused on their work that they'll like go for a dog if they're interrupted. Like, we've all seen that one Kelpie at the park where if your dog goes to chase it, it will turn around and just absolutely nail your dog for interrupting their work. Bundy's not like that, and it sounds like that wasn't the situation here. Obviously he was focused on it, so he probably didn't see the attack coming, but given that he's a pup, it probably wouldn't have changed all that much. Honestly, the people in the wrong there, uh, is the guy who owned the 2 dogs who attacked your dog. So I'm really sorry that happened. But also, that being said, it's pretty unavoidable. Like, things like that— um, sorry, it's pretty avoidable. Just don't go to places like that, unfortunately. Like, I know they look awesome, and when it goes well, it's, it's unreal, but it very rarely does. Like, if you go down there and sit down there for an hour, you'll probably see 2 or 3 dogfights. So if you do go, chances are at some point you're going to be a victim of one of them. So if you do want to go try it, like, you know, I understand people are going to go, screw it, I'm going to still go anyway. Just try and pick off-peak times. That's your best bet. And what I do is I just don't really let Nelson interact with everyone. I'm like, hey, you do your thing with me. You don't need to go and make friends with all these wild, strange dogs. Nelson's got enough mates that we hang out with in a controlled context. I don't need him meeting some rando, you know, down at the beach. So if you see a dog coming, I just like call him back to me, put him in a sit. We, you know, clear out the path and we become as uninteresting as possible to this dog.
Yeah, 100%.
We stop throwing the ball, we put the food toy away, and we're just kind of statues. And the dog typically tends to lose a bit of interest. They go, ah, This dog, the juice ain't worth the squeeze. I'm not going to follow this dog.
I'll—
we'll let that dog and owner move past and we keep going. So yeah, I don't think you did anything wrong. But like I said, you kind of got to expect it at places like that, unfortunately. And I think the one you're talking about is Currumbin Dog Beach. That's notorious. Like the amount of customers we get from Currumbin Dog Beach is actually insane.
So especially there's the section that's protected, the one that's on the other side, not the wave side, the protected side. That is for me is just like, I will never go through that area because it's a funnel where you just got no space. There's just dogs just everywhere. It's just a recipe for disaster. And, and yes, as I said, I mean, I took Kira there the other day purely because we had that situation where I knew it wouldn't be busy. And again, we stayed right up at the top away from everybody else. And it was her and I playing and she doesn't interact with any other dogs there. And people— it's funny because people think you're being cruel because you're not letting your dog interact with other dogs. And it's like, but why? Why does she need to? She doesn't give a shit. I'm interacting with her. I've got everything she wants, the toy. The food, everything is here with me. She doesn't need to go down there and run around with dogs. Exactly.
Look, what we'll do is I'm going to put up 2 recommendations. These are both Gold Coast-based locations. One's like a bush forest thing. One's like a coastal beachy thing. They're always really quiet and very, very few dogs. So I'm happy to share it with you guys because if you're listening to us on the podcast, you're probably responsible dog owners, at least I hope.
But just don't, don't, don't go tell your mates, especially if you've got a place as well. I'm going, oh, should I let this one out?
Yeah, let's, let's, let's do it.
All right.
So the first one, get your little pen and paper or your Apple Maps out or whatever you're doing. First one is Golden Valley Drive in Tallabudgera Valley. You'll get there, huge, big open park. There's never anyone there, which is awesome. So especially if you've got like a herding breed and you've got a collie ball, perfect place to go let them do it. You'll probably see a bunch of my clients down there doing it too. But if you go down the back, there's also a really nice sort of shaded swimming hole that's all really nice and safe. And like I said, really quiet. So that's a nice sort of bushy open park area. The next one is Shearwater Esplanade in Runaway Bay. That's an off-leash dog beach that's always completely quiet. It's not a surf beach beach. It's one of those ones that's on like the broad water, but it's sun, sand, water. You and your dog won't know the difference. So those 2 are great, but please keep them to yourself. Don't go share them to all your dodgy dog mates. If you post on your story, don't tell everyone because then it kind of ruins it. But there are a couple of little really nice quiet spots that, um, I don't mind sharing with you guys. You'll probably see us down there. What about you, Jack? You got some?
Yes. Yes, I do. So my one is off Guinness Creek Road. Now down in Ellinor way, there's an area called the James Lacey Field. Now that's one that I think everybody knows about because it's always packed. But there's one that I feel like nobody really knows about because whenever Kira and I go there, there's like no one there. It's the Tallabudgera Off-Leash Agility Dog Island, it's called. It's off Guinness Creek Road. So that's a great spot. There's water there, there's woods there the dogs can run through, lots for them to get into. It's a great little spot and plenty of space. Again, like lots of space. You know, there is obviously dogs there, but you can give yourself space if you need to. So that's my one for you.
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Now, uh, speaking of listener questions, I have a listener question from me, Max.
Here we go.
Um, so I've been working with Kira on a few new things.
Yeah.
Because you've got a new thing coming up very soon, which I'm sure we'll talk about once you've got it up and running, but a course coming up. Absolutely. Where there'll be a few new things that Kira needs to learn. And one of those things that I'm trying to teach her at the moment is a send out. Yep. So for those who don't know what a send out is, basically get your dog on heel, to heel basically, and just send it out. Yeah. Straightforward out. Just run out.
Yep.
And they can either go around something, they can go to something, they can Go out and keep going until you get them back. And it's—
yeah.
Yeah. So basically the way I found online a bit of a way to teach this, and I already kind of do this with Kira because we do a lot of the gundog style training and you kind of do a send out when you're sending her out to go and pick something. So she goes out and gets the retrieve. I'll put it down somewhere, walk back to her, point to it and say, go get it. Basically, she'll run out, pick it up and bring it back to me. So essentially that's a send out, but you've got to get to a point where you send her out and she hasn't seen you.
Yeah.
So she just goes, she just trusts you. You point that way, you just go in that direction. See you later.
Yep.
And I saw this video, this guy saying, right, use the toys, but this time take 2 balls. Yeah. Put 2 balls down, send her out. She'll grab one, bring it back. Yep. And then you go—
And you've got the other ball on you or—
No, no.
So 2 balls straight out there.
Okay.
She's running out to 2 balls.
Sure.
She runs out, grabs one of them, comes back to you, brings you the ball. You put it in your pocket, line her up next to you, send her back out.
Yeah.
And she'll run back out. Should run back out.
Yeah.
And this guy was saying, look, sometimes they get confused and go, well, hold on a second. I've just— you've got a ball now. I want that ball that you've just got.
Yeah.
Why are you sending me back out?
Yeah.
Every time I seem to introduce a second toy to her in that respect, she just gets so utterly confused.
Okay.
So I point her out, send her out. And the other day she actually did start running out and then she got sort of halfway and then stopped and then looked back at me and was like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do here, I think. So then I'm sort of like, Gave her the command again to go back. So she sort of trundled a little bit and then I could just tell she was getting really confused. So I brought her back, reset, send her back out. She ran back out. She got all the way there, even picked up the ball, but then dropped it and came running back.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then finally put her back in there, went to try and reset again and she just didn't move.
Yeah.
So I'm going, what do I do here? Because she's obviously utterly confused. I get that.
Yeah.
But I just, I don't know what to do now. Like, am I— it just— yeah, I'm at this point where I'm like, do I keep trying to do this or am I just going to confuse her more?
So here's, here's a couple of things you can do with that one. So first I'd do a completely separate exercise focusing on like differential reinforcement or switching between 2 sort of rewards sort of things. So for example, like a lot of people will do this where they'll teach their dog to train for some food and then train for the ball and then back in the one session. It sounds to me like part of the problem could be Kira going, I've got my initial reward. That's the one I want to play with and work with. I don't want this other thing over there. So you can do this. You can get 2 tug balls and I'll do this with Nelson. We'll tug with one. I'll have the other one. I'll give him a command to switch and he'll boom, jump on the other one.
Kara will not do that.
So that's what—
so that's funny because I'll have 2 balls. I'll throw out one. She might go and get that, bring it back to me. I'll release, get her to release it straight away, throw the other one out.
Yeah.
She's not interested. Cool. She won't. She does not, doesn't want to borrow it.
So I'd strip the exercise back and go, that's a big core of the issue here is like she focuses on one type of reward and gets really fixated on it. And we want to show, hey, you can like go back and forth between these 2 things and it's all good. And it's showing, hey, like sometimes you'll be reinforced with this and then sometimes we'll reinforce you with that instead. And just switching back and forth, um, that's going to be a really good exercise for her. Like I said, it can be tough in the beginning, but you've got to make that other toy like almost— when you give it that command of switch and get her onto the other one, you've got to make that other toy completely go dead. Like put it away, go, hey, this is all you're getting. And then slowly build it up to both toys can be present and you can switch ones back and forth.
Okay.
Really popular exercise that a lot of people with working breeds need to do because the dogs get so fixated on this one thing. So same in protection sports is your dog might have to bite that decoy, but then that decoy, and then at the end of your exercise, you might want to give them the ball. And some dogs still get so focused on, no, that first person I bit, that's who I want to go for. Same with herding breeds. They go, no, I've got my eye on that sheep there, and he's the one I'm going to focus on. And it doesn't work. Or same with retrieving dogs. They might go, well, I just want to spend time with this first bird I've got. I don't want to go back out and get more. So yeah, you do see that in various things a lot. So that'd be the first exercise I do. The second, like you said, she kind of got halfway and got confused. I'm like, well, that kind of shows those doing those multiple sendouts, getting halfway out that second one and kind of go, that's as far as I've got to go.
Cool.
Then that would be my thing. I would bring the ball back further in and make it as easy as possible so that like you might only do this from a few meters away. Send her out, she brings it back.
Cool.
Send her out, she can see it. And even though that kind of defeats the point of the exercise of her not necessarily knowing the toy is there, starting off really small, and the moment she gets it, bang, like you just light up, call her in to invite her in and be like, hey, you picking up that other thing was like the best thing imaginable.
Mm-hmm.
And just starting there and then kind of going, okay, I'm getting the point. And then we can start to eventually level up to the point of that exercise where you can then start to hide the extra one out there and get her working for that, but there's a couple of regressions I'd make to get there.
Okay. Yeah. The second toy, she just like, as I said, yeah, she just has no interest once she's got one.
Are they identical?
Yes. 100% identical.
Yeah.
I mean, apart from the color of the ropes.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, I mean, one thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's colorist. Yeah.
Are they the 2 bite balls I gave you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There you go.
So I already had one of those.
That's the exact thing we did the switch with Nelson on. And that was exactly what we did his switch on. So there you go.
All right. So I've got to do the switching first and then we can progress to the others. This is the problem as well. I am very, like most people, very impatient. Yeah. And I think as soon as I think we're getting somewhere, I'm like, great, we're going to move straight on as opposed to just making sure that we're nailing it every single time. And then, you know, so, so I do rush the poor thing. I actually put a video up on our Instagram today, the Dog People Podcast, because I got us the— well, I got us— I made a very janky shaping box.
Yeah.
And I was going to—
I saw that.
Yeah.
Because the other thing, the other thing she doesn't know is stand.
Yeah.
And I'm like, why didn't I teach her stand? I don't know. I haven't taught her stand. So literally within 3 days I'm like, right, we're going to learn stand and I'm going to get you in the shaping box and we're going to do it. She's just like, dude, like, come on. I taught her stand. She's got stand. I'm like, great. Now you've got stand, but stop creeping forward right into the shaping box. So this morning we were training and she was just looking at me going, what are we doing here? But she is so smart because literally within one session she was like, towards the end she was doing exactly what I wanted her to do.
And herding breeds typically do well at this, I guess, because we look at all their ancestors. And so if we're telling them to down at a distance, to creep forward, to hold, working at a distance and whatnot, they do tend to go, oh, this kind of feels right. So she'll Grab onto it very quickly. But yeah, it's going to be a big part of our upcoming ultimate obedience.
I can't wait.
Our three loves gonna be sick, and there's gonna be some there's gonna be some challenging things at a distance. So yeah, it's good you're getting onto that now. All right.
Well, actually, we will take you through that entire process, which is going to be very exciting. As we already mentioned, Max has got this amazing new obedience stuff that's coming up, and Kira is going to be jumping on board. So we'll take you on the journey of maybe the first black collar dog. We'll see. Hey. The Dog People Podcast is a Mashed Pumpkin production hosted by Jack Lawrence and Max O'Neill. Edited, produced, and audio production by Jack Lawrence.
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