Ep. 4 - Refreshing Take on Tech with Bree Hall | Devs:After Dark

Well, no, I don't read. I don't, I, I'm here to lead, not to read. That is the Simpsons quote that I like to, uh, reference all the time. But, uh, yeah. So no, basically, yeah, the way this starts is I'll give Dennis a nice little, uh, opportunity. It starts like this. We talk in a B-roll and then I say something dumb and then Dennis inserts the theme music and makes it all look really, really great. And then I'll pause. I know that's where you're going to cut it in. I know it. All right, let's, uh, we'll get that started then. Okay, so here we are, episode 4. I'm not gonna call it a milestone because Dennis gets mad every time I call every episode a milestone, but for me, doing something that you love and doing something that gets traction and picks up and people listen to, it's a milestone for everyone that we do, in my mind.

But, um, oh my God.

Yeah, here we are, uh, Developers After Dark, episode 4. I am your host, Nick LaPorte. And with me, as always, uh, for better or for worse, are my co-hosts, uh, Dennis and AJ. I'll popcorn that over to you. Why don't you introduce yourselves?

Yo yo, Dennis Edson here, developer advocate at HubSpot, uh, and, um, I am joined with another guy over there. You can go and do your own thing.

I'm AJ. I'm also a developer advocate here at HubSpot.

Uh, I feel like these intros are kind of getting redundant, Nick. We should— well, they are, but you have to—

no.

Yeah, but don't forget, there's gonna be new people watching every time.

I feel like the billboards should be taking care of that. Like, you know, they— we should be recognized at this point.

That's true. Uh, the radio commercials and the billboards, and then the Super Bowl ad will be fantastic when that comes out. So yeah, we'll look forward to that in February sometime. So that'll be nice.

But, um, I will popcorn it over to, uh, or go ahead. I think you were gonna introduce—

Well, yeah, because no one really cares about the 3 of us. That's not why people tune in. It's our awesome guests. But before I get to that, let me just go through a couple of— usually at the beginning, what we do is we go through a couple of housekeeping items, any announcements or notes from the management on what to fix. Really, from last week, there wasn't really anything dumb or ridiculous we said. So that's a good round of applause for this.

May I change? Actually, there's one thing. There's a mistake I would like to add.

Oh, okay.

You said that we'd be dropping the last episode the day before Halloween. Oh, no.

Yeah, that is true.

You were ridiculous the week after in your chain mail. So, you know, just putting that out there that—

Yeah, that was— and I also had to— I'll admittedly— okay. All right. There's one. Okay. One admonishment. I did have to change my LinkedIn post because I went and wrote it that way as well. And then right before I hit send and then I was talking to— I think it was you, Dennis. And I was like, Oh, shit. Yeah. Then I had to like go and change the— yeah. So that was, that was my— I got excited because we dressed up. So that was why I was like, oh, this is going before Halloween. We're dressing up. This is great.

This is great.

I got a little ahead of myself on that one. So, okay. There, there was one, one minor, we'll call it minor since it was me that did it. It's a very minor thing.

Of course.

But moving on from that, because that's not really important. Something that is very important is coming up very soon, as soon as I get off my lazy ass and finish it. The website for the podcast is going to be live. When that is live, we'll have show notes. We'll have pretty much an episode list, if you will, and then a way to contact us if you want to be a guest on the show and things of that nature. All of that will be there. So that'll be coming up very, very soon. We'll post an announcement and things like that when that happens.

How's that Joomla? development coming for you?

No, no, it's all scratch. Uh, Notepad, HTML written handwritten in Notepad is, uh, kind of how I'm doing it. And then, um, hand drawing all of the, uh, animations.

Wow. Wow.

Yeah.

I mean, no big deal. Just doing a couple seconds. It's fine.

I know someone in this room, uh, wanted to work for Disney. So, um, if you need an animator, uh, he's right, right there.

That would be me.

Yeah, I'm looking for good artwork. But yeah, I mean, I'll keep you in the Rolodex.

I totally understand. Yeah, stick figures aren't what you want. I get it.

I get it. Yeah, I mean, I'll keep you in the Rolodex. But that aside, moving on. Check the inbox. No notes from management except for I need a haircut because, as I was told, the mohawk is getting kind of out of the viewport, if you will, if we're talking from a development perspective. But enough about me. The real reason why everyone is here is because of our guest. And I will let her introduce herself. She is Bri. That is her name. And this, this is going to be one of those episodes that are going to be great because we get to talk to somebody who is, whether they know or not, a friend of the show or whether they want to be by the end is always the key. But Bri, why don't you go ahead and tell everyone who you are and what you do?

Yeah, I'm Bri. And like everybody else, or most everybody else, I am also a developer advocate here at HubSpot.

We get a lot of developer advocates because, um, they're the only people that want to talk to us at the end of the day. Anyone else that knows us is like, hey guys, I'm good, I'm good. That's, you know, it's okay. But, um, but why don't you tell us a little bit about— and this is kind of something that we like to ask everybody, and, uh, our— the 3 of us ourselves, we kind of— the first episode we did this as well. How did you first get into— now being in debt, like, I'm giving a little bit of away. As someone who also codes, like how did you first get into that aspect of things? 'Cause like the reason I ask is all 3 of us have like interesting paths on how we got started into, I call it like into tech, but then obviously that's a very broad way of describing it. But like at the very beginning, what was like one of the first things that got you into like tech and/or like coding?

If you say anything about real estate, I'm gonna be very upset because everyone so far has some sort of real estate.

The weirdest thing.

I have not though, to be clear. I am not from a real estate background. I'm from a school supply background.

So that's true.

That's totally different.

No, no real estate background. But you know what, I think the closest thing you could probably say is making houses in The Sims. That's the closest I've been to real estate. But video games are the reason that I got into wanting to learn how to code. Like, technology has always been really interesting to me. And I remember, like, when I was younger, like AOL Kids, when you used to have to do dial-up and plug the phone into the computer.

Wait.

I used to love doing that. And I used to, like, sit on my dad's lap and be like, oh my gosh, what are you doing? When he used to, like, take the computer apart, like, add new pieces and everything like that. So it's always fascinating. But it wasn't until I started playing video games and realized you could make mods for them that I was like, I want to do that too. So I ended up taking my first programming class in high school. Never did end up making the mods, by the way, but it set me on a different path of being like, oh wow, I could do all this fun stuff with coding.

That's so cool. What, what coding, by the way? Just out of curiosity, what, what programming class was offered in high school?

Um, the first one was Java, and then we also had AP Computer Science A and B. I did A and graduated before I got to take B.

I had typing basically in my school.

That's, yeah, basic HTML. I think that was like the only thing that was offered. So yeah, that's great that you'd be able to get offered those things. No, that's fantastic. So now you mentioned a little bit about gaming now, and I did not know this about you, um, because we had just, um, and let me know if you don't want me to tell the story because we had just like officially met at, um, at Inbound just recently. Like we finally got to talk to each other and, uh, the way was sort of funny. And I don't know if you know what I'm going to say, what I'm going to mention.

Yeah.

Okay.

Either way, I'm sorry.

Did you?

Did you meet him at Inbound? That's very unfortunate that that was—

Most people, it's like there's a distance and then that way they can be like, oh, I think there's something wrong with my computer. Sorry, I gotta go. But when it's in person, it's very hard to get away from me. So it's—

So true. So I tried hard.

Do you mind me telling the story? Is that okay? No, no, no, go ahead. Okay. So we were at Inbound and like I said, it was one of the first times that I actually saw Aubrey in person because, you know, all the other times it was either in passing in a Zoom call or it would've been like just like messaging within Slack. And, uh, there was like a couple of us like standing in a group just talking, and I had my phone in my back pocket, and I kept hearing this noise, right? So now anybody that has any type of like— doesn't even have to be like a medical device, it could be anything that has something that makes that distinct noise, right, that is associated with that. It's almost like second nature. It's kind of like, uh, Pavlovian almost, to the sense where you hear it and it's like, I know what that is. And so, Yeah. Once or twice I heard this noise, and for me, in my brain, it is the exact noise where my glucose monitor loses connection. So I keep pulling my phone out of my back pocket and looking, and I'm like, there's a number there, which means it didn't. But I keep hearing this noise. And now this isn't some noise where it's like, oh, everybody now has that popular ringtone. No, this is a distinct— so twice I hear it. So like, now I'm in that mode where, do you know when you hear a sound and you're kind of like, Your eyes are scanning the room waiting for it so you can kind of lock in on it the next time. Well, I hear it and it's like coming from my left side and Bree's standing like to my left. So finally I just, you know, never really even like aside from saying hi, my name's Nick and just being like, oh, okay, cool. You know, I lean over to her and I go, you know what? Your phone makes the exact same noise my glucose monitor does. It's crazy. Not thinking like, hey, someone else could also have that. You're not the only person on the planet that actually does. And sure enough, it was hers disconnecting like mine would, making that same noise. So I was just like, and I must have looked like an idiot because I'm like, oh yeah, that's why, because it's literally that noise. And I was just like, another instance of me like making a complete jackass of myself, like when I meet people.

So it was par for the course, but I thought it was pretty funny when you get to click like phones and become community members in some sort of—

there's like a, there's like, there's like a club and then like you get to be part of that club if you can. Yeah. If you can match.

Did it have like a Catching badges like at Inbound where you just like click your badges together?

Yeah, yeah, it's like catching Pokémon or being at Inbound and clicking your thing. So it was like, but no, it was, it was a really cool way to meet somebody because then it's like the instant have something in common with them thing instead of trying to like search that out via conversation.

Um, still searching, trying to find that commonality.

I know, I— the fact that we both work at HubSpot I think is probably the only thing, and you tolerate me, you tolerate me a little bit. But no, to come full circle with that, I did not know also that you were a fan of gaming as much as you are, which I thought was fascinating. Because one of the things I saw, and I wanted to ask you about this because I did not get a chance to actually look into it, but AJ did confirm that gaming is one of your passions as well. There was something about you did a talk, but you tied in Zelda and Hyrule. Am I getting that right?

I am.

Because I saw the title of it. Can you tell us a little bit what that is about? Because one, I still want to watch it and, and read up on it, but I didn't get a chance to yet. But I wanna know what that's about because I find that brilliant. People who can take any type of topic that is, you know, somewhat unrelated to something and tie it in, it's a beautiful thing to me. So I'm interested.

Absolutely. And dare I say, the reason that I am a developer advocate at HubSpot is because I realize that AJ has those Red Dead Redemption paintings back there. So yes, that's That's definitely the entire reason that I got this job. Nice job, guys. But yeah, I wrote a talk and it was my very first one actually. Now that I'm thinking about it, what is the full name? It had a really long name. It was something about the quest of mastery, mastering React hooks in the realm of Hyrule. And it was basically a Zelda tie-in to teach the different React hooks that are, you know, like currently available.

Yeah.

The reason I ended up doing it that way was because, number one, I was scared to death to present or to give like a technical talk, but it was something that I really wanted to push myself to do this year. So I was like, okay, well, if you have to do it, make it something that's fun, something that you're going to want to immerse yourself in, and something that's easy for you to talk about. And sometimes like technical topics can be a little bit dry, and I didn't want to be in front of people and realize I was losing people while I was talking. And I was like, ah, video games, like a lot of people can relate to them, or even if they don't play them, there are concepts that I think everybody can relate to at least a little bit. So what I ended up doing was teaching each individual hook by creating a Hyrule social media app. And within the app, I created all kinds of demos to display like the technology or the concept that I was talking about. And it just was a fun way to cover the hooks And then also sprinkle in a little bit of fun or Zelda characters and things like that.

That's fantastic.

That's awesome.

Now, that was your first one?

Yeah. Your first talk?

Really? Okay. Because I got to say, like, every time I've seen some of the stuff that you've been posting and you've done other— you've done other conferences since then, right? You've done a couple.

I have.

So how was that?

I actually did that before I became an advocate.

So how was that like? Because you said you were— because I as well, and I haven't done that many either, like speaking in front of people and doing that at a conference and just being there. Was was nerve-wracking to me. Like you can ask Dennis. Like literally like five minutes before, I was like, "Would you be okay if I just left?" Like I'm just I'm not like you cool with that? Like I was slightly teasing. Yeah, slightly teasing him. But like how did you? Because like I said, you've done more since then. And how did you kind of like that? How did you kind of get over? And maybe maybe you haven't because some people don't ever really get over that fear. But like. How did you get over that fear and anxiety of like going up and talking and just like injecting yourself into that? Yeah.

So for me, the getting up in front of people talking wasn't the hard part. Um, I was a nerd and used to do oratorical contests in, um, middle school, which is basically where you write a speech about a certain prompt and then you get up, you give your speech, you get a little medal, maybe you get some hot chocolate and cookies at the end. Oh, so nice. The getting up and talking in front of people, that was the good part. Um, And I feel like the presentations are fun. It was the tie-in of the technical pieces that I was a little bit worried about and wanted to be better at. Something that I've sort of like struggled with along my journey as a software engineer is my confidence when I'm talking about technical topics. And it's not all the time that I don't know the topic. It's just that I don't want to seem that I don't know it, or I'm afraid of somebody being like, absolutely not. That is actually not the right thing. So, so I've been trying to challenge myself to speak more confidently, um, and in doing so, it's made me more confident, like, in my technical ability. So the getting over it part, uh, it was just doing it. I did one of those things where I applied to, um, a couple of talks at the beginning of the year, assumed that I wasn't going to get them because it was my very first time.

Mm-hmm.

And honestly, I was just doing it to check it off my list and say, great, I did it. If nothing happens, that's fine. And then all of a sudden, I got an email that says, your talk has been accepted. And I said, holy crap, now I gotta write a talk and present it.

Yeah.

And I was fine up until writing the talk. And it was right before I was gonna give it that I was like panicked. And I was like, oh my gosh, I actually don't know if I can do this. Thankfully, my husband actually went to that conference with me, and we were in Wisconsin. And I was just sitting there, and I hadn't slept in like 3 days, just making sure that like all of my technical stuff was right, chatting with ChatGPT to make sure that what I was gonna say is correct. And there was just a fear of getting in front of a technical audience at a technical conference, getting ready to teach this topic that a lot of people do know. And once I started talking, it just kind of lifted off of me. And I was like, you know what, at this point, it is what it is. Whatever I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say. If somebody has a correction, that's great. We can both learn from it.

But Yeah.

When you complete your speech, do you, do you have, uh, do you crave hot chocolate and a cookie? Is it like the Pavlovian thing, like from middle school?

Not anymore, because I don't want my phone to start making crazy noises if I have too much, uh, sugar. Oh yeah, I think that conference did have like a walking taco bar, so honestly I'm pretty sure that was better than hot chocolate.

A walking taco bar?

That's awesome.

Yeah. Like the Fritos and then you put your favorite taco toppings on it?

I've never—

It's a Midwest staple. Yeah, it's—

yeah, it's—

You can do like Fritos or Doritos and then you put like the ground beef inside of the actual bag where the chips are and like the salsa, lettuce, and everything like that. Kind of give it a little bit of a shake and then you just take a fork and eat it from the bag.

What? No, no, I know Frito pies.

This is—

but this is— this is a new concept to me and now I— I gotta go.

Oh yeah, it's a popular, it's a, it's a Midwest thing for sure. And don't worry about your thing beeping. Like, ask Dennis. Mine went off in the middle of our inbound talk, so I wouldn't—

It was really freaking annoying. I was in the middle of something, like, all of a sudden it's like, what the hell is going on here?

I turned it off at 3 AM, right? I turned it off so it wouldn't, like, I silenced the phone so it wouldn't make noise. And then it made noise to tell me that I had silenced the phone and therefore turned Bluetooth off. So it literally defeated the purpose of— I should have just shut the phone off completely. Like, it just completely— yeah, it was— it completely backfired. If I would have just left the phone—

You should have seen the glare, the glare that I gave him during that.

The look I gave him was like, I am so sorry, I didn't— I literally threw it off stage. So yeah, I threw it off stage. There was like— there was something that looked soft, so I just chucked it at whatever was on the ground and just threw it off stage. I was so mad. I was like, yeah. But, uh, yeah, never, never, never. I Don't ever be embarrassed about that, that's for sure. I take the cake when it comes to doing dumb stuff. But you also mentioned too, and I wanted to bring this up, like, which one of your favorites so far? 'Cause it sounds like you've been busy with conferences. Like, is there a certain one you've done so far that's been your favorite?

Hmm, I think they've all been unique. I've done more conferences this year in my career than I ever have. That was also one of my goals this year is that I wanted to get out and do in-person events.

Right.

Um, I started to come into my career during COVID and I feel like I didn't get some of that— the fun in-person events that were, you know, like held before COVID that maybe happened more locally, um, a little bit more often. So I wanted to go out and do them more. I've been to React Miami. That was a really fun conference, um, down in Miami close to the beach. Just like the scenery was good, and I feel like, um, like the vibe was good, the people were good, the talks were good. I liked the, the ambiance. Um, that conference was in Wisconsin and that was at a water park. And I got my dates for travel wrong, so I ended up leaving one day early, but they had a whole like pig roast inside the water park and it was all kinds of fun. Everybody brought their kids. And I think that's a really cool concept as well, to be able to bring your whole family to a conference.

Yeah.

Um, and then one of my other highlights was DaddyCon, and that was in New York. And that was really fun because there were a lot of women of color in tech in the same place. And that's not something that you see normally. So I think those were the really special ones.

What was— I'm not familiar with BaddieCon. What is that?

BaddieCon is— it's not just software. I would say it's all forms of tech, cybersecurity, even like non-technical roles. And it was its second year happening and it was in New York City. And I gave a fun talk there about CSS and it was called Code But Make It Cute. And it was literally just coding with CSS for the sake of fun, for the sake of making something artistic, not necessarily, you know, for a bottom line or a business purpose.

No, that's fantastic. I like that. That's pretty cool. That's very cool. I couldn't help but notice, and these are your words, not mine, you mentioned the words, or you mentioned that you're a nerd. Now I have to ask, as, as, you know, a member and a cardholder of that club, Was there any interest early on or even throughout of like any kind of other nerdy things like Dungeons and Dragons or things of that nature?

The card games and board games, not as much. I wasn't exposed to those until I met my husband. We play Lorcana now, which is made by the creators of Dungeons and Dragons with a little sprinkle of Disney magic, of Of course, a lot of fun. I haven't played Dungeons and Dragons just yet, but I'm thinking of diving into Baldur's Gate, which I've heard is Dungeons and Dragons-esque, and maybe that'll be a little bit of a gateway for me.

AJ can tell you all about that. He's a big fan of that at the moment.

Yeah, it's kind of— it's amazing, Baldur's Gate, and the fact that I have over like 100— I don't even want to look at how many hours I have dived into that game because it just makes me upset knowing that I could have spent that time doing something More productive.

You have a family, right, AJ?

I'm just kidding. The fact that you're mentioning the number is impressive. Like, I would not— on my Steam account, I'm not mentioning any of the numbers of hours played on any of the stuff. I don't even want people to know. It's a little embarrassing.

You don't want people to know that you've spent 120 hours playing— I don't know, 120 hours on Cities: Skylines, which is basically a city simulator where you build the roads And you watch people hang out in your city.

That's awesome.

That's awesome.

That's it. Now, let me ask you this really quick. Okay. Did you, did you notice a difference in the retention of people when you use the video game analogy in your talk versus something like the CSS one? Did you notice more engagement, um, when looking around the room or anything like that? Like, do you think that that might be like a cool niche almost to like start? Is niche or is it niche or niche? I don't remember.

I've heard both ways.

But like, do you feel like most developers might identify more with that? Because from what I've come across, like, most developers I run into are also video game people, like, very techie. So like, like, what are your thoughts on that? Like, did— like you said, you noticed like a little bit of a difference, right? That like people were really grasping that concept?

Yeah, I think the key thing to remember there is, uh, the CSS demo that I was doing and the video game talk were 2 completely different groups, 2 very, very different audiences. And what I tried to do, and I have not been successful at this every time, is to tailor the talk that I'm doing to the audience that I know I'm presenting in front of. Women, we do love video games. Um, however, I thought it would be better in a conference that is a little bit smaller to do more of a workshop style something where we can actually physically take something away from the session, which is why I ended up doing a CSS demo for that one. Versus that conference, which is a little bit bigger and there's a lot more people, if we were coding something out live and maybe a couple of people have fallen behind, it might be a little bit trickier to catch everybody up and get to one solid checkpoint and make sure that everybody can leave with something. I do feel like it caught the attention, the video games, to the end. I didn't find that there was like a lot of people leaving in the middle or anything like that in either one of them. I did run out of time when I was giving my BaddieCon talk, but everybody just about that was there when I started was there when I ended. So I think both of those had pretty good retention. I actually don't know. I haven't decided if I'm going to give the video game one again. I want to like spruce it up a little bit and maybe make it a little bit more of an advanced talk.

Mm-hmm.

I think it's kind of tailored for beginners right now, and I really love that, but I don't know if that's something that, um, is accepted widely at conferences, the more beginner talks.

I think the, I think with the advanced stuff, you have to start moving into Super Mario Brothers for sure, because I think that's gonna be, that's gonna be where it's at first, you know what I mean? You've got, got a lot of material to work with on that one. Absolutely. But no, I, I, I do appreciate being able to take something, you know, like from a technical aspect and being able to marry it with something that's Um, maybe not apples to apples with it, but relatable, right? And then make it make sense. Because I think that's, um, not just like in speaking, but just in daily communications, right? Because like, especially when you're— even if you're at work and you're talking with somebody who may be in a different department who like is an expert in certain things, and you're trying to relay something to— like, just finding that commonality in that language is Honestly, that's kind of one of the reasons why we started this, to be, you know, to be, to be completely transparent, was having these type of talks and conversations, but then, you know, making them enjoyable and then like speaking about them in a way that no matter who's listening, it's a conversation that you could feel like, oh well, if I just, if I logged into the studio and just kind of jumped into this, I could talk too. I could have a conversation. So it's, um, I gotta say that it's kudos on that because that is just something that personally I, I, it, I find hard to do.

So, so, so here's a question for everybody. What's the worst analogy you've ever given? Like you've done it and you're like, oh, that was so bad. I really hope they get this.

Worst analogy?

For me, I'll go first since it was my question, but like I was trying to explain to a coworker one time why the internet was so slow in the office. Because like, you know, everybody had the same shared connection type thing and it was during like a, like one of the World Series or something back in an old job. And like naturally everybody's like, the internet is rough right now. Like we can't get anything to load. And I was trying to explain like, yeah, there's like 5 people streaming the baseball game when you really don't need to be doing that.

Right.

And I was trying to use baseball and like a pitcher throwing a ball and like, like 17 people throwing a ball all at the same target and like only a couple of you are hitting it. And, and I just, as I was going, I just kept going. And I realized I was losing them more and more. And then I eventually was just like, it's complicated. And I like walked away. He's like, I didn't know what else to do.

That's, that's the way to end it right there. It's complicated. Just walk away.

That's the perfect like mic drop. It's too complicated. That's, that's fine. Were any of them sports fans? Like, did you, or did you just kind of guess that they were and just assume?

Because like in my mind I was like, well, it's the, the, you know, the baseball playoffs are going on, so I'll just use baseball as an analogy. And I totally missed the ball on it. And it was just one of those things where, like, you know, deer-in-headlights look, like, didn't even register with me. And I just kept going and going until, like, I basically almost made them fall asleep of boredom.

If I may, you're not really a sports fan either. So to choose that seems to be like, that seems even more odd to me. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't— okay. I just—

yeah, it was great.

It was great. Okay.

Great. People are falling asleep. This is good stuff.

Yeah. Yeah.

I think they stayed.

They didn't leave.

Well, I mean, we were in an office and they were at the desk.

They didn't really— They didn't have a choice. Yeah. Okay, that's fair. That's fair.

I don't have a specific example, honestly. Like, I just know that I try to force chickens into every example that I possibly give. So, and sometimes I push a little too hard with it and it makes no sense what I'm doing. It's like, why would you even try to do that? Why are you making a custom object for this? Makes no sense.

I, I've, I, you know, I'm kind of the same way. I, I've been, um, kind of classically trained into using the analogy of cars and like building a car when it came to, uh, specifically when it came to SEO, because trying to like use an analogy in, in that area always was difficult. And I'd always find myself like staring into another set of eyes that looked like a deer in the headlights. And it was just like, I've gone too far. I realize my analogy makes no sense. I'm sorry. So it was like it from an SEO perspective. I I had had a when when I worked at the real estate place, we had and I'm bringing this up because Dennis loves real estate. When I worked at the real estate place, we had kind of like a partnership with another company, and I was able to like bounce SEO ideas and stuff off of them. And and their SEO person there always used car analogies, and it was like so seamless. It's, I mean, I must have sounded like an idiot talking with this person, like when I would try to use an analogy. And I always found that for some reason, car analogies with SEO was like, it was gold every single time. But yeah, every other time I tried with any other thing, it was, it was disastrous. It was absolutely, I'm almost embarrassed. I'm glad I can't remember specifics, but I do remember the end result of the stares and then staring back kind of like. You get it? No? Okay. Um, so it was, yeah, it was rough.

It was very rough.

Um, what about you?

I don't think I have one either. I, I put video games in everything. Everything. Either video games or Disney. Disney doesn't always go over as well. And I think it's because a lot of times I reference like the complications that there are in planning a Disney trip these days and like how expensive it is. But a lot of times people haven't been in like quite a number of years. So they don't get like, you can't go without your phone now. Like you have to have your phone for everything. You're glued to your phone. You have to buy everything beforehand. And like, there's so much planning. So I think that kind of just like goes over their head and it's like, ooh, that was really niche and you're really deep in a community.

It's true though. Yeah, it's true. Like that's, that I, I, I'm surprised at that too, cuz I would think more people, I guess the phone thing. Yeah, I understand that. But yeah, I'm surprised that it doesn't hit as well with people, especially using Disney, because I know exactly what you're talking about. And yeah, it's brutal. Absolutely brutal. So, but yeah, that's, that's, I was, I'm surprised at that, but it's all good. I understand that, I guess. But I wanted to ask you, one of the other things is a lot of the summits that you've been to so far, Have they all been like, or have they all had React in them and focus? Do you have like a specific focus right now as far as like, um, like favorite thing that you're kind of working with? That's really, I mean, for me it's always been, I don't know, I, I, I was a designer first. So for me, anything CSS related, um, has always been something where I'm like, ooh, that I, I wanna be a part of that. Is React something like that for you or is there something in particular?

It is.

Who's that?

I think web development in general, and I like React the most. I used to use Angular, I think in 2018, 2019. It was a way older version of Angular and React was sort of like brand new to the scene and a lot of people were transitioning over to it. React made more sense to me than Angular did at the time, but I know Angular has recently gone through like a little bit of a resurgence and they have like a lot of new things that have come out. So I would love to give it a try again soon. But honestly, any technology that lets me be a little bit creative or build whatever funky, weird ideas I have, it's just React, Tailwind, and Astro are what I typically use the most right now.

Nice. Excellent. Excellent. Now, kind of going away from technology slightly, this is something that we love to ask everybody. Uh, we asked Hannah this as well. Uh, you know Hannah, she, uh, she does a flower business on the side. If you could have And I always have to preface this because no job can ever get away from technology to a certain extent. If you could pick a job, whether you made it up or not, or whether it actually exists, that could take you as far away from technology as it could, or as you could get away from, what would that be?

Um, for a long time I was split about what I wanted to do. Uh, not a long time. a little bit of time. I was split between wanting to be a baker and also like technology. Technology's been like ingrained in me. I always knew like whatever I do, it'll be there. Coding, I loved it. But for a while I had a cupcake business and—

Nice.

I didn't want to give it up when I went to college, but unfortunately it's something that just didn't stick. And I did like entrepreneurship competitions. I had like my own like clientele and That's awesome. For a while, I thought that I would be somebody who codes and then also somebody who has a cupcake shop. And my whole idea was I wanted to have a Subway-style cupcake bakery because I hate chocolate frosting, but I love chocolate cake. And sometimes, like, they put the chocolate cake with the chocolate frosting. I don't want that. So I was like, okay, well, people can go down the line, choose their cake, choose their frosting, pick all kinds of, like, toppings that they want. And that was my concept. And for a long time, I stuck with that. Like, this is what I want to do. I wanted to have like a little cupcake cart that I could, you know, like roll around and sell cupcakes mobile. I had a whole business plan. So I think that would be the thing that I would probably go back to if all of technology burst and exploded.

That is awesome. No, that is awesome. Now, uh, do you still, is that, is like baking something that you do as a hobby to still kind of like, do you keep up with it in a certain aspect or?

Not as much these days. Um, the reason I ended up getting into it is because my dad is a professional chef. And regardless of how much I wanted to cook, I can't. It, my whole family can cook and my thing is baking. So when they were cooking, I could add a baked good to the table.

Um, my impression—

Is it because of like measurements? Is it like, cuz you're more per— like, I always think of like, my, my wife's a great cook, but she does, knows nothing about what a tablespoon might be or, you know, weighing things out. Were, were you just more precise with things or just?

No, I think I experiment too much and I deviate from the recipe too much.

Hmm.

So like, of course my dad, professional, mise en place, get everything ready beforehand, measured, weighed out, follow the recipe, cook for the masses and can cook for like small quantities of people. If you ask me, 'cause he's always like, taste as you go. And I'm like, oh, I've tasted it and it tastes like it needs something. So then I add it and then maybe it needs something else and then I add it, but maybe it's too much or maybe it's not enough. And then before you know it, it's Thanksgiving. And I've made a dish that literally tastes like nothing, which is scary because it's the middle of COVID And we're trying to figure out if we all have lost our sense of taste at the same exact time.

Right.

Or if my food just sucked. And in that case, it just sucked. Nobody was sick. Wow.

That's the artistic part, right? That's the, like, trying something to do. Because it's like the old adage, like they say, those who can't cook code, right? Isn't that how it goes? I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like Socrates or Plato, one of the two, I believe, has mention that at some point. But no, I mean, that's— that to me just sounds like that's just like the artistic and the creativity part of you, just kind of like— like, I do the same thing. I don't— like, I look at recipes as like suggested. It doesn't— I mean, it's 2 cups, 3 cups, we'll work with it, we'll see what happens.

So—

But I think they were upset that I experimented on Thanksgiving. I think they would have been like, experiment at your house, that's great, we love that for you. I can follow a recipe and it will turn out fine. I'm actually hosting Thanksgiving for the first time this year. It's going to be good. Everybody's coming, so everybody's going to contribute. My dad doesn't know it yet, but he's going to do a lot of cooking too.

Will it be Zelda themed though? That's going to be—

See, my family is not as much into the nerdy stuff as my husband and I are. And it will not be Zelda themed But because it is our house, they will be immersed by Zelda. My husband plays RuneScape a lot, like all the time. RuneScape?

I haven't heard that name in forever.

Oh, and it's the old school version. He's playing the version that I think everybody was playing in like the early 2000s.

I remember that.

Wow. Now, do you— oh, go ahead.

Sorry, that just like brought a surge back.

Now, if you don't mind me asking, like, do you and your husband, when you guys talk, uh, because me and AJ do the same thing. Like, when we're together and we're talking, like, do you get into that sort of— and our family hates it, like, absolutely will leave the room— we get into like that nerdy type of talk where it's like, it's the ones and zeros. It's the thing I dread that this podcast would turn into one day, where it was like we're talking about lines of code and semicolons. And it's like, me and AJ do that like when family get-togethers, and it can literally clear a room. And do you got— do you ever find yourself doing that with, with you and your husband?

Not as much. And I think it's because, um, we don't typically— because our family is like so spread out, whenever we do get together, we don't really talk video games. Um, but if we end up doing so, my sister is very quick to just stare at us. She doesn't leave, but she lets us know that we're talking about nerdy stuff.

So Nice.

Yeah, I'm noticing a trend with the LaPortes here though. Like, uh, earlier AJ said he could clear a room by— in the office, like no one, like, falling asleep. And now, uh, at family gatherings, uh, you clear a room just by talking.

No, but I told you, so fun fact of what I've done, and I've told my wife, like, we'll, we'll alternate bedtimes with the kids, right? And when the kids are like refusing to go to sleep, I will be like, do you want to hear about my day? And I will go into such technical code level Of things that the one time my daughter looked at me and she goes, Dad, I'm really tired. It's time for me to go to bed.

Can we stop talking?

Could you record an audiobook for me? Can you record this? Like, and I can just play it for my daughter.

You know, I totally could. I really, we really should just have like a, you know, a kid's version where we just talk about code and then eventually they'll fall asleep and then be like, you're welcome, parents.

Done. See, we clear rooms, but at different ends of the spectrum, like he bores people to death. Mine, my kids are like, Can you just stop talking and leave? You've been talking for like an hour. Like, just just go. Like, like my daughter was like, Dad, this this is this is great and all, but like I just want to go to bed. I don't. We're good. Like we're good. Just go away. Go go. You're fine. Like I'll just be like, and it'll be exciting stuff, but it's like it's too much.

Sure, sure, sure.

No, I think in my family we'll listen. I don't think we ever just like get up and leave, but especially we FaceTime all the time. So if ever it's just quiet and you realize you've been talking for a long time and then somebody goes, well, okay, I was just checking to see what you were up to. That's when you know that you've talked for too long.

Yeah. Been on the opposite end of that.

For your family, is your family, um, because you said your dad is, is, um, a cook, are they technical at all too? Like, do they pay attention, like, what's happening in tech? Or are you like their tech resource? Like, something happens with the computer, you're the one getting the phone call every time.

Yeah, my dad used to be technical, and I say used to, and I, I really wonder what happened because there was a time where he was teaching me everything. And it's— my mom would cringe if I said this, but I started to do PowerPoint nights. We started doing PowerPoint nights as just like a fun, cool thing that we do together where we make like a fun presentation, whether we want to teach something. I did a presentation on all of my family and how we're all different characters from SpongeBob. Like, it's really unserious. It's just for fun.

Oh my God, I love this.

One time I looked at my dad's Facebook and I was like, hey, we're gonna do a cybersecurity PowerPoint night right now. And I was like, you guys, we gotta be better about what we're putting on Facebook. You gotta clean this up. And I'm like, Dad, how did you teach me things? You taught me things and I'm having to do a PowerPoint night for you to make sure that you're safe on the internet?

Oh my, that is— I love that idea. That is brilliant. Yeah, I think that's— it's funny but also like amazing to—

yeah, I don't know if I've ever heard fun, cool, and PowerPoint used in the same sentence though.

But as a tech person, it is. I mean, like, if you're not, yeah, it's probably like, hey, why don't you sit there and look through my vacation photos?

Sure.

That's how we do vacation planning, um, like trying to figure out what excursions we wanted to do on cruise or trying to figure out like where we wanted to go on a, um, a family vacation.

Really?

Uh, my sister did one on fire safety because I— my mom says I did it, but I didn't. She put food in the oven and it was set to cook low and slow, and I guess like a fuse in the bottom of the oven broke and it caused a fire in the oven. And I panicked and I froze and I didn't know what to do, and I ran out of the house with the, the phone, but I did not know what to do after It's like it just escaped me. So then my sister did a PowerPoint night on fire safety.

Wow, that's amazing.

Nice. Very cool. That I— that's— I— yeah, I mean, I think it's— I think it's a pretty cool thing to do. I mean, I— for me, I would, um, I would hate for the other person that had to sit through it because I like— as much as I talk, it would probably be miserable.

Yeah, we'd have to get like one of those like countdown timers at like the Emmys. I have, I have. Just like play you off because you will.

No, I know. Funny story, and he's gonna hate it because I always tease him about it, but like he didn't actually suggest this, but I keep telling everyone at work that he did. And like he gets like, he does get mad, but it's just like, I didn't say that. But, uh, one of the people on my team, Max, which one day he'll be on the show as well, I hope. Um, we were doing something, but we were talking and he's like, because I'm, uh, He's like, I can't remember how it came about, but we were giving an update on something and we were all doing like kind of like a round robin update thing. And he's like, well, they should only be around 5 minutes. And I'm like, yeah, I just have this hard time. I just keep talking and talking and talking, which anyone who's watching this now can attest. And he goes, well, you know, they make timers where, you know, sand timers that like you just pick the, you know, 5-minute timer and do it. And I'm like, you know, I never thought of that. I'm just, I'll buy a 5-minute sand timer. So every time I gave an update, I would do it. But I always tell 'em like, Yeah, no, Max was like harassing me and told me I talked too much. So I had to buy this timer because I was ashamed. And I like, I said that in like group meetings and I was just, I was messing around, which I do. But like, I don't know if anyone understood that. I was just goofing around. So I was like, I had to like go back and explain like, no, he didn't really shame me into it. I thought it was a really good idea. So now I do it for my kids too. I'm like, brush your teeth, sand. Like, so there's like 10 sand timers in the house that I'm just flipping over for stuff like. When the sand runs out, it better be done.

So are they really nice ones? I assume you have a very nice, like, you know, type.

Oh, like, like some sort of Harry Potter? No, these are just like, they're just basic. Like, I, I mean, with my kids, they'll break them. So it's like, uh, you know, uh, I just got the, uh, semi, semi-nice ones.

No, no, I know what I could get you for Christmas then.

There you go. Sand timers. Yeah.

That's like, there's also this really, really cool thing on phones called a timer now. Whoa. Set multiple of them, Nick.

I don't know if you knew this. I, I'm trying to unplug from the internet, right?

I'm trying to— You're like prehistoric and you probably have a sundial somewhere in the house to tell you what time it is. There are, there are clocks, there are technology for this.

I mean, you see my backyard. I mean, I could put some rocks together and do a little like— it's possible. It's very possible. So, but no, I mean, like, that's why I like asking those questions about like, you know, what would you do if like you could pull tech away from your job as much as possible? It's like one of those things where it's like I don't know, I feel like everybody needs that, which actually is a really good segue into— because I see you clicking around in the notes, AJ. Hey, stop talking.

Come on now. I was trying to figure out how to connect this. I thought I did, but I guess you did too.

No, you did. I heard you say it and I was like, all right, all right. But, uh, a little thing we like to do, um, aside from, uh, sounding unintelligent, uh, as hosts and co-hosts, is, uh, we pick a couple stories every week when time allows and, um, Tech related, right? But we like to talk about them in like real terms and things of that. And we put them on a list, you know. And one of the ones that I wanted to bring up first, just because of the fact it's completely HubSpot related, mainly because Dharmesh's tweet was featured in it. That's the reason was because I believe chat.com was just purchased for just a cool $15 million, I believe was the price tag on that. Chump change, chump change.

Was that the actual what he? So he bought it for how much did he buy it for initially? I thought he bought for fifteen, then he sold her for more possibly.

Well, no, Sam Altman, I believe of OpenAI, bought it for fifteen million. Was that right?

Yeah.

So maybe he spent less than on that because I saw his LinkedIn post and it was cryptic at best.

Right.

So his his tweet in his tweet Dharmesh said like he basically. Put in a bunch of prompts to ChatGPT, but he says that he bought Chat.com for 15.5, and then after he doesn't say how much Sam purchased it for, but he did say that he's he's not the kind of person that wants to like make profit off people kind of thing.

Oh, so he okay that's I thought yes okay Sam Sam bought it from him, but Sam Sam's tweet literally was just Chat.com dot com right yeah that was and I bring this up also too because maybe one day Dharmesh ever watches this he'll come on the show.

Yeah, I'm talking to him later on today. We're having dinner later on.

Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. That, no, that would be fantastic. That'd be, it's, you know, just one of those things.

So it's interesting we talk about this. I have actually like pinged Dharmesh in Slack before and he actually responds. So I just wanna highlight that is like, that is so cool that he actually does that.

Right. 'Cause that's exactly what he wants is he wants somebody like me just pinging him about going onto a podcast he's never heard of. Yeah, no, I ping him and say like, hey, how's your Thursday?

Like, I, I'll be like, I actually have something to like share with him. When I do it, but I just do it for an AI. And like we've had a conversation about it. Like I just love that he's always open to chat with any level of HubSpot that you write. Yeah.

How many Slack messages from random people have you gotten? This is like hello. Just and that's it.

Yeah.

It's like the equivalent of a spam phone call basically is what that is.

Yeah.

So I don't think I'll be doing that to the. No, to the head of the company. No, I don't think I'll be doing that just yet. Just yet. I'm not that cool enough. Maybe one day when people, you know, this becomes Joe Rogan-esque numbers.

Maybe that.

Maybe that. We'll see. But no, I still think like, I envy those who got into the, I don't wanna call it domain squatting, but like who got into the game of domain purchasing, right? With the foresight that, You know, these 4-letter, 5-letter domains are going to be, yeah, those people are just rolling with—

Well, he was, I mean, let's just be honest, he bought it for an ungodly amount of money. So it's not like he was—

Right, but I'm saying like, with respect to like being able to sell a domain for that price, just in general, is one of those things where it's like thinking back, like, I don't know, 10 years, 10, 12 years, like when I was working in real estate and not like really, you know, like there were still plenty of domains to buy, right? Like the .com isn't, 'cause like what nowadays you figure, you know, just going out, just looking for the domain for our site, right? You just, you go on to like whether you look at GoDaddy or wherever and you do your search. Some people nowadays, you know, you'll spend like a good part of the day just trying to figure out a domain that one doesn't sound dumb.

Yep.

2 is related to the product, or maybe it's like spelled differently. You could spend a good portion of time just trying to find a good domain now where if, you know, if you had the, you know, that future site and you were buying this stuff up, and again too, like there's also a maintenance cost, right? 'Cause let's say 12 years ago I bought like 1,000, you know, 4-letter .com. Yeah, I would still be paying every year for that. Like, so the bill would be ridiculous.

Yeah.

But talk about a payoff. I mean, it's not Beanie Babies, but don't get me wrong, it's, it's a big— it's— if you would have done it, you're looking good right now.

I think that we spoke about on previous episodes, I have a lot of domains I would love to sell people, but I don't think anybody's going to pay any more than like the original price you would pay for GoDaddy for it.

Buy DennisEdson.com. Do you think that in the future domain value is going to be as important, like having a really good domain name is going to be important? Or you think like with the aggregators out there, the ChatGPT, so to speak, where everything's like brought into one space, whatever your domain is, doesn't matter.

I think values are just going to go up, honestly, because how many, how many can you, you know, how many words can you put together in your own way before it just becomes like every domain is 75 words at that point? You know what I mean? Because like, I remember back in the day, and Nick, you might remember this. You remember when I tried to like create an advertising thing when I was like 20, and it was like War Horse Advertising.

Oh, I thought you were talking about—

I did.

Okay. And like, I bought like the, like War Horse, like advertising and like all these things. And then literally like a month later, Steven Spielberg released his War Horse movie. And it's like, it doesn't matter. Even if I did have traffic, it would all get blown away by the release of the movie.

Right.

So it's one of those things where like the younger me was like, oh, no one's ever gonna use this. This is great. And now the older me is like, yeah, I probably should have named it something a little bit different and tried to go a different direction. But it's one of those things where like, you know, you buy so many domains that they're like, I like we talked about before. I have a ton of domains that I'm probably never going to do anything with, but I have them all redirected to places.

So yeah, yeah.

He also tried to buy LA portfolio like La Portfolio, but then realized it was LA. Like who would have that? Who would have that? Like LA as in like Los Angeles? Okay, that's the first thing I asked them.

No, hold on. So in my defense, I wasn't even thinking of it as LA portfolio. I was thinking it of as La Portfolio.

And the first question I asked him, I was like, do you mean LA as in like Los Angeles? And he's like—

And then literally like the next day somebody had bought it and literally created like LA Portfolio. And I was like, oh my God, like I was there, I was there. I was like, it's that moment where like you were there and you didn't do it. And I was like, ah, so that's why I just buy domains randomly now when I'm like, maybe I should do this.

And then I'll just get rid of them a year later if I don't have Do you have a weird impulse, Bri, about buying too many domains that you can't do anything with?

Um, I love starting projects. Every time I start a project, it gets a domain. I don't have some domains now, and I have even fewer completed projects, but I do have one that I've been holding on to that I am positive I'm gonna get up and out before the end of the year. So I'm holding on to it. I'm not going to let that one go.

Very good.

All right.

Did you all buy your children's?

You don't have to if you don't want to.

Did you all buy your children's names?

Sorry, go ahead, Dennis. I'm talking over you.

That's okay. I'm talking over you. Did you all buy your children's names, their domains?

I did.

I did not, but I got, I got email addresses for them, which at this point doesn't really seem like— and that, and that's the thing too, like, because you were asking about, like, do you think it'll be the value? At a certain point they tried, and I don't know who they would be, whatever the governing body is of like, uh, top-level domains, releasing like more, like, um, you know, like I can't remember like some of the ones like right off the top of my head, but there's like, I don't think that there's like .fm, uh, you know, like, uh, cause that was one of the suggestions by actually by, uh, David Rommel was, uh, purchasing like, uh, you know, something like developer or something like .fm or something like that. But even that was taken. But, uh, I don't think that even that— I think people are so— I think non-techie people, I think, are still so ingrained in the .com association.

Yeah.

Maybe .net, maybe. I remember Comcast, comcast.net, even they switched it, right, to the .com eventually. Um, but I think people are so ingrained in that that even trying to open that up, it doesn't kind of alleviate the, the pressure of like, Finding the right dot com, right? So I I I see it getting worse before it gets better as far as like the pricing of some of this stuff. Now I say that as like worse. Like if I owned one that somebody wanted fifteen million before, I'd be like this is the greatest thing on earth. I don't, so I consider it the worst. So but yeah, I don't know how it kind of pans out at the end, but I don't see it changing anytime soon just because of like what's already been attempted to try to alleviate that kind of. I don't want to spend all day trying to find the right .com. Well, you can, you can do a dot whatever. And it's like, yeah, we tried that. It doesn't really— like in real estate, we tried that, like especially when they started opening up some of those TLDs, um, our TLDs, it just didn't work. Like people just, they're like, what, what is that? I don't— is— what's the .com again? It's like, oh no, no. Yeah.

So, but I think we are starting to slowly move towards a place where like people are realizing that there are more extensions now.

Yeah.

So like people are starting to go to those random extensions and that are like on billboards and stuff like that because people are like, well, it's just part of the internet now.

Like, yeah, yeah, the internet.

Yeah, the internet, the tubes, the set of tubes. Um, well, let's move. Let's jump over to the— because I know AJ, you had brought this up in pre-show, I think before we started actually even recording, but that was the, uh, the, the owner of the WordPress.com launches the tracker for sites leaving WP Engine. Uh, that to me is like, that's— I, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. I'm just like, you're having a dispute, right? And you're like, it's already public to an extent.

Very public.

Yes. Yeah.

And now you're kind of throwing gasoline on it by creating this. Like, I just don't know how I feel about it. I don't think if I was a business owner, that'd be something that I would choose to do, but I'm curious.

Fishing with dynamite. Like, that's basically like— because I think it's hilarious. I'll put that out there. I think it's absolutely hilarious that they did this. I also think it's crazy that the data is being published like that, right? Like, calling out who's leaving. True.

But I look at that number and I gotta say, like, working in ecosystem quality here at HubSpot, the The concept of empathy has really been something that has improved, like, me personally. And I look at that number and I can't help but thinking, like, those are websites. Those are, right? Those are people's, you know, those are people's bakeries. Like, right? Like, those are, those are like every single one of those, there's some sort of impact. Like, you don't know what it is. Maybe somebody installed it and honest, I don't know. Like, What that is specifically tracking as far as like leaving WP Engine, but like you think it has to be tied to somebody's business or somebody's hopes and dreams in some form or fashion. So that's why like I see that number and it's almost like, yeah, you know, from a tech kind of like pulling a stunt type of thing. Yeah, it's sort of funny, but like I can't keep I can't get— I don't know, maybe it's because I'm getting older and I'm just like lame now, but I can't get past that number being like an individual's, um, hopes and dreams potentially, right? Yeah, for sure, for sure.

A lot of these people had like— they paid some developer a long time ago to build this thing for them, and now they don't have, you know, what are they gonna do, right?

That's what I was just about to say, is that they're not all people who are quote unquote retaliating against him or even like caught up in all of this drama that there is. It's just people who maybe relied on somebody else or are just living their lives and are just like moving on to something new or making changes or honestly like whatever it is, which is—

Right. It's, it's, it's like that number like now accurately personifies collateral damage. Like, like it's just, just like, yeah, it's like in detail now, you know? So yeah, to me, I just, I saw that and I was just like, oh, and then I'm like, Oh, like, yeah, different kind of, oh, I'm like, that's rough.

So I also think this is really interesting because like WP Engine was like, it's really well known, right? So like when, you know, freelancers and stuff like that are building sites for people and WordPress is the option they go with, I'm sure many of them probably move towards WP Engine because it's like one of the top.

I pushed it.

That's what I mean. Like now developers have to kind of rethink their scoping and, you know, this is something that It's one of those things where I think of it as like, you know, freelance developers or people that are building for stuff that are trying to help people choose the technology and the tech stack in which to operate their business on. This is going to be an interesting thing. Like now you really do have to think like, okay, well, you could say WordPress and you would be like, oh, it's always going to be around. Is the host always going to be around now? Like, that's one of those things where like this small little thing has caused such a blowup where like you really need to think about when you're scoping for a customer. Is the technology that you're proposing, is it still going to be there?

Sure.

You know, down the line?

Yep. 100%. That— yeah, I'm just— I keep thinking of that number. Uh, but okay, let's— I'll move to something that's a little bit less depressing then, because now I'm just kind of like, oh man, really? Here's, here's one that I'm just like, I'm kind of like, okay, it, it's techie, I get it, I think it's cool. But Amazon, like now in Arizona doing the, um, the delivery of Prime with their air launch, delivering packages with drones essentially is how I'm reading this, right?

This is old news. I mean, like, well, I mean, like not necessarily with Amazon, but like remember Domino's doing this like in a college campus, right?

Right.

Yeah.

No, yeah.

It does it too.

But I'm thinking like in Chicago in the winter, you know, that's not happening. This is, this has gotta be a seasonal thing. Or it's got to be a certain state thing. You can't do this in— do you know what I mean? So like the— yeah, to me it's like motorcycles in Illinois.

They're great for the 3 months you get to drive them and then they're put on blast for the rest of the year.

Or even pools in that matter. You can swim for maybe 3 months, maybe even with a heater, 3 months, and that's pretty much it.

So I'm curious because it makes me wonder like what security they have around these drones because I mean, there are people already— like, you fly a drone over a Renaissance fair, get ready, you're gonna have bows and arrows taking your thing down. Like, it makes you wonder, right? You know, and I don't mean to play devil's advocate on it, and I don't mean—

no, no, you can go to that level, but like, how many people— most people's fears—

the size of that box, and, you know, basically Animal Crossing slingshot it down for a free prize, right?

What's— wait, also, like, what I did— I've not read this article. Are they Where is this? One package at a time? I mean, what's the efficiency of this?

The way the pictures are showing it, yeah, it looks like one, because I don't think you could do like that. I mean, these aren't huge drones. I just think the concept of it, like, yes, it's been like talked about before, but trying to actually make this some sort of— even if it's like, it's, it's got to be super, uh, isolated to certain areas and certain—

Seriously, I mean, like, here, here, like I'll see the Amazon trucks coming from the, you know, their, their warehouse and it's like 5 giant trucks. Can you imagine like 10,000 drones just like coming at you? A swarm of drones. Amazon. That sounds like the worst thing in my life. That's, that's like end of the world apocalyptic type of thing.

Yeah.

You just look up and see the, the highway tra— or not highway, the skyway traffic.

Yeah. Right.

All the drones shooting past each other.

It's for everyday essentials.

That's like a mini DeLorean. I don't want a part of it. I don't want a part of it. It's my secret little DeLorean.

It does.

Sort of does in a way. It's for everyday essentials. So there's like 50,000, because I lost where that thing was, but it's 50,000 everyday essentials. But right now it's just in the— well, I think because Amazon has like Amazon Essentials. So it's like if you want Q-tips, they consider that like an essential. Like, but it's also weird too, because they'll also say like, oh, I need an HDMI cord that's gold-plated. It's an essential. It's like, is it really an essential? Like, I'm thinking essentials like things you have to have, like, you know, for hygiene or whatever. But no, they— HDMI cables are also— because I remember I was buying something from Amazon. It was like Amazon Essential or however they label it. And I was like, HDMI cord, really? That's, that's an essential? It's labeled as an essential, at least when I was looking at it at that time. So, but right now it is just in, uh, it's just in West Valley Phoenix metro area. But I'm wondering if they're even going to try to— like, I can't imagine this being attempted outside of West, if not Southwest area. Illinois, good luck.

Like, what's a population density that this could actually be acceptable? Like, what do you think the maximum density would be before it just becomes overwhelming?

Suburban, like maybe suburban. And I— because I could not imagine this in like Even if you— even like a little further south, like at least in our area, like south of Chicago, I could— it's just, it's too dense. Like, I could not imagine, like— and, and, and the sheer volume, it has to be like you said, it, it would be almost like Space Invaders. Like, it's crazy, right? Or asteroids or something where it's just like— or when the cicadas and you're driving down a highway and there's like 50,000 of them. Like, that concept is like, you just can't. You can't scale that. So I'm just, I'm curious, like, if this is just some sort of like, not AI stunt, but like some sort of like, hey, look at what we're doing. And it's like, yeah, we can't really like scale this. It's not like we could actually like make this mainstream or something.

I mean, let's look. Domino's never really took off with the air delivery of pizza.

So, but keep in mind, they did have the pizza insurance now. So if the pizza does get jacked up, you do have pizza insurance if it gets all messed up like Domino's did. Yeah, yeah.

I will say when I think about like marketing, Domino's does some really interesting things. Really? I don't see anybody else or any other pizza companies doing.

It's a tech company, man. It's a tech company.

Yeah. I'm telling you that pizza tracker got me sold.

Loved it. Right, right.

Yeah.

Knowing that people just put heaven for pizza.

Mm-hmm.

You know, I have not had a Domino's pizza in probably twenty some odd years, so I don't know if the quality has improved.

Oh, it's good. It's good now.

It's good.

Their whole— because they even did the— they even did the campaign.

Was it—

God, how many years ago?

I don't trust LaPortes when it comes to quality of food either. Food and music. No, no, no.

Okay, that's fair. I understand the music because my, my selection of music literally is the most outrageous spectrum of music there is. So I mean, I'm for— I don't know if you're aware of who Melinda Green is in our community at all.

Yeah.

I, I totally screwed up her playlist. I recommended a song and I was like, oh, you got to check out this, like, song here. And like, her Pandora list was just done for after that. She's like, how did you do this to me? But like, she always makes fun of my music choices because yeah, it's, it's everywhere. It's all over the place.

My whole family does too. I listen to a lot of alternative music and then I go to show tunes and then I go to '80s rock. Like, we can get a different vibe every song. I like it, but they say it's a little too chaotic.

Does Spotify just tell you, I can't do this anymore? Sorry, I can't see Josh.

I don't know what to do.

I'm sorry.

No, actually, I listen to a lot of lo-fi, especially when I'm working. And I realized I maybe listened to it too much because there's this artist called Game Chops. It's actually a collection of different artists that do like gaming lo-fi. And I realized I was in the top 1% of their listeners last year. And I was like, you just listen to them on repeat all the time. That's a lot.

Have you ever started over? Like with— I know you're on iTunes or I'm sorry, I keep on saying Apple, whatever it is now, AJ, right? Yeah. Are you on Spotify, Nick?

Uh, no, I do Google Music usually.

Okay. Well, um, on Spotify, you know, like after a while you have like, it just, the playlists start coming at you and you don't work anymore. Right. I, I, because my daughter has totally destroyed my Spotify account, you know, numerous times I keep on rebuilding it. I start from total scratch this time and I'm kind of lost, honestly. It's like, I don't know what to listen to now.

Yeah, yeah, that's where I'm at. I'm at the point where like I don't listen, like I don't travel to go to work, so I don't like have the radio on. So like I don't know what's new.

I'm kind of listening to the same music over and over again.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sometimes I'll be like, have you heard this song? He was like, yeah, last year when it came out.

I was like, ah, okay, that's funny. Yeah, no, that happens all the time too. Like as soon as my daughter, uh, figured out who Taylor Swift was, I was like, yeah, we got to figure out some way to separate this. And then when my son realized he could watch Minecraft videos on YouTube, I was like I gotta get you your own account, your own kids account. I can't. I was like, I can't watch anything. Everything's all Minecraft and you know crafty, and I'm like, I can't. I'm like, yeah, it ruins everything. But I don't know if there is an actual way like in Google Music to kind of just to like start. I wish there was a way where you could kind of just like start over. I mean, you'd have to like no.

I have a family plan. I have a family plan on Spotify, and like I just kind of like rotate through three different of the accounts. Like my wife has one, my daughter has one now, and I have. 3 that I've just— because I have it attached to our, our, uh, Chromecast, like our Google Homes.

Yeah.

And that's my account on there for some stupid reason. I did that. And yeah, anywho.

No, I, I, I completely get— at least you're— at least your, uh, child didn't charge $300 worth of Minecraft stuff on your, uh, credit card, because I made that mistake of leaving that on, uh, his Microsoft account that I made for him. I left the credit card on there and He just thought the gold coins were just, you know, just do it. And I was like, no, you can't just do it.

That was the greatest thing when you called me to tell me that. Like, that's, that's forever going to be something that I offer now to you. Just be like, oh, do you want me to get like, you want me to get you some mic coins?

Yeah, remind me some other time. I'll explain the whole story because it was just stupid. Like, it's funny the way he was like denying all of it like in real time. But, um, yeah, I'll, I'll tell it some other time.

I don't want to.

It's— they do. Yeah, it was— it's one of those things. But, um, but let me, um, let's move over to, uh, something that we like to do, uh, towards the end. Yeah, it's toward the ends of our episodes. We like to do this little game. Um, now we can— I'm trying to think here because I'm just trying to— what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to avoid Dennis and AJ cheating.

We just— I don't see— I see no links in the, uh, the doc here, so I can't, uh, see them.

I never open them anyways, even when he does put links.

Neither do I. Neither do I.

See, this is the caliber, Bree, I'm dealing with here. Like, I have co-hosts that don't help with the notes ever.

Oh, wow. Wow.

They show up for the vibes.

They show up for the— yeah.

I thought we were incorporating AI into this. Is that not our note-taker anymore?

Should we look when these notes were actually created just to see when, uh, how long we've had access to them?

That's not important. None of that is important.

Yeah.

That's when I do it is what's important. When I do it is none of your business, good sir. Thank you. Thank you for asking. But, uh, but no, it's, uh, we like to do at the end, uh, we try to come up with, and at first we were always going to do these kind of like 10 questions all the time, but then it w— we found that it might get a little repetitive. So we found a way to create these kind of like little fun games, right? At, at the end.

Yeah.

And, um, what we'll do is we can do it as, if you guys wanna do it as a group, um, that's fine too. But what, This time I came up with was famous movie quotes and you have to guess what movie it's from. And bonus points if you can guess the character that actually said it in the movie as well.

I am going to fail so bad.

Bring it.

Bring it. This is my jam. So we, what we do is with, when it comes to AJ and Dennis, we take them at their word for it, which probably in hindsight, not the best idea when it comes to scoring, at least. But I'm winning. I'm okay.

I won last week.

Yeah, we're not going to talk about last week. Yeah, I don't know what the hell happened last week, but like everybody— and he did not see the notes, Bree. He did not. He— I made sure I hid that like it was in Fort Knox. And he was getting— it was almost getting to the point where I was getting upset. I was like, how is he getting all these right? Like, I purposely— like, when I know they're going to answer it, like, especially like when that first episode that we did where it was just the 3 of us, I made sure I made questions that were like impossible to answer. You could take them in different ways and I could be like, no, no, no. What I meant was like, you know, it was just like how many days of the week have 28 or how many months have 28 days in them? And they're like, oh, it's just one. It's just one. I'm like, no, all of them have 28. And then some of them have more after that. Like, like those kind of questions. But—

What decades of movies are we talking about? I think that'll determine—

This ranges. I mean, I've got ones in here from 1980 all the way up to 1995. 5. Um, some of them are— they're more famous movies.

Just so you know, Bri, uh, Nick is kind of stuck in that era. And so—

That's not— okay, it really is. Okay, that's only because— okay, no, that's— all right, let me explain. That's okay. That's not a fair comment because the last— no, because what happened was in the episode where we had—

You still build websites with tables, so it's definitely—

First of all, iframes, not tables. Iframes. But I think, or no, just frame.

Yeah.

Yeah, I guess. I mean, that's true. That's true. But well, that way I can pay someone else to code and then I just frame it in. So that's, it works out well. That's how I do my job. That's, I don't, you know, you get thrown in there. Um, but no, the reason Dennis is making that offhanded comment is because of the fact that I think when we were doing one with Hannah, we were doing, uh, like famous movie writers, like things that they would ask for, like actors and stuff. And like, it just so happened that the most ridiculous ones were in a certain like time period. Like a bowl of M&M's that are just blue or whatever the kid— like all of those like ridiculous requests were made within like a certain— the '90s or something like that. So he's like, it just so happened some of the funniest stuff stopped happening after 2000, you know, before 2000. When 2000 hit, nothing funny ever happened ever again.

Right on, man.

Yeah, I think kids refer to as the late 1900s now.

Yeah. Okay. That is rough. That is rough.

Yeah. Yeah. That was that was that was rough to hear somebody tell me I was born in the late 1900s.

That was yeah.

Yeah.

That's that hurts a little. That stings.

That stings.

But no, this game is famous movie quotes. Most of them are supposed to be funny movie quotes. But again, I'll be reading them so they won't be as funny as when the actual person read them. But, and then—

Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, be on it. I'm thinking Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

Shower curtain earring hooks, right? Is that Planes, Trains, and Automobiles?

Right.

I get you.

Yeah.

We'll see.

Count me in. I'm there.

I'm just saying, we'll see. We'll see. But let's do this. Let's do this and let's see. Well, let's— I expect Bree, and Bree will be honest, but I expect the two of you to try to be honest with your answer since we'll just go and like everybody can Everybody can just get what they're, what they think the answer is. But, uh, let's go with the first one and I'm keeping score. Uh, and the one thing, uh, as a little caveat here, I have no idea how I'm ever gonna like surface these scores out because the games are always different. I might just shame Dennis and AJ one day, like on the website since I, uh, that'd be fine. You know, I have, since I have control of the source code and they don't technically, you know, um, which is always a nice thing. Uh, but let's, we'll, we'll start this. We'll see how this goes.

And, uh, can I take a guess at the first one just to see if I can nail it?

Yeah, I mean, yeah, but that's gonna be like—

Is it the movie Hackers? Is that your first quote?

No, no, it's not.

Just checking. Continue.

Okay, for, for those who didn't see last episode, and for— and Bri, last episode we talked about the movie Hackers with, uh, David Romo, who's a developer in the ecosystem here and for the marketplace. And, uh, we were just talking about like, like that was the first, uh, David's first— like when he first saw that movie, that's what got him into And then he said he saw it at 13, which I told him I work at a video store and I don't think I would have been renting that to 13-year-olds. So I just said—

You worked at a video store?

I did. I used to. Yeah. I mean, that doesn't help my argument about being old and not wanting to hear about the late 1900s, saying that I worked at a video store.

Because Rewind is not the tattoo you want to talk about?

Yeah. Yeah. I just— yeah, I try not to age myself as much on a podcast like this, but I can't help myself because everything I talk about is like, oh, wasn't that in the '90s?

Yeah, maybe including this, uh, quiz we're gonna be doing.

Well, this is the internet's fault.

This is not— I did—

the internet did this. I didn't. I can't—

I don't know.

I don't— I don't know technology. I just Google stuff. I don't— I mean, come on now. Um, so let's— let's try this, see if you guys, um, if AJ's as good as he says he is and Dennis is as bad as he says he is. Um, okay, but we'll try this. Okay, so, uh, quote number 1 is If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.

Dodgeball.

Yep. Wow.

Yeah, I'm leaving. I did it.

That's all it took.

Mic drop.

A dodgeball reference is all it took to get Dennis to leave. I would have done that episode 1.

What happened here? Holy—

I don't remember the guy's name. I know I can— I can—

that was going to be the bonus point if you can name the name.

Oh man, was it Captain? It wasn't Steve the Pirate because that was Captain.

No, there's no Captain.

Yeah, I can't remember his name.

No military hierarchy. There was no Captain, I don't believe. Uh, but it was Patches O'Hoolahan. Patches O'Hoolahan is the one who said yes. Okay, number 2. Okay, I, I, I'm not gonna do any voices cuz I, I'm, I'm gonna completely suck at it, so I can't really like, and it would help you, uh, Dennis and AJ, and maybe you breathe too much if I tried. But, uh, and I want to look good here, uh, so let's, let's not— don't do too well on this. Um, he go— the person says, and I'll give it to you, it's a he, uh, he says, I don't know how to put this, but I'm kind of a big deal.

Ron Burgundy, Anchorman.

Is he actually sitting?

Yeah, it's at the party. He says it when he's at the party with them.

Oh, right, right, the woman. He like— he's trying to hit on this, uh, woman, right?

Yeah, it's the oh God, it's the the main the main woman the ah God. Well, I mean, you got the you got the Ron Burgundy.

That was the most important part. You got it. But it was from Anchorman. Yes, you are correct. It was from Anchorman. Very nice. Okay, number three. How did and Dennis? You're gonna know this one. If I told you wolverines would make good house pets. Would you— or no, if they told you Wolverines would make good house pets, would you believe them?

Um, what 1990s movie is this from? Is it some X-Men reference?

I was gonna say, this isn't from the most recent Deadpool and Wolverine where he's making fun of Wolverine, is it?

Nope, nope.

I think a pretty great way. You're like, nope, I need that. That was a good movie.

I saw that one. Yeah, it was a good movie.

I don't know this one.

See, Dennis, you mentioned it actually right before Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. Really? Del Griffin's Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. See, you mentioned it.

1980s even. We're going way back now.

All right.

Like I said, the internet does not lie, right? If it's posted, it must be true. Number four, if you ain't first, you're last.

Ricky Bobby, that's Talladega Nights.

Wow!

It was actually it was Ricky Bobby's dad who told him that because that was his mantra that he lived by. Right.

Do do you? You're you're the breadth of movies is kind of like seems like you're on a very specific path here with. Same actor. Yeah, yeah. What's, what's going on, dude? Did you just look at like some Will Ferrell fan site to find these?

Was Will Ferrell in Dodgeball? I don't remember that.

No, no, Anchorman.

Yeah, okay. I mean, okay, that's 2 of— okay, 2 of 4 so far. I mean, there's still—

you're right, 50%.

I mean, that's okay, just relax, relax. Okay, number 5. I'm, I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to life than being really, really, really good looking. And I plan on finding out what that is.

I'm gonna say, what was it? Ben Stiller in Zoolander. Zoolander.

Nice, nice.

You guys are you're not bad though.

You're really good at this.

Yeah. Is it in the scene? I'm realizing David Duchovny.

I don't know if he's in the scene with David Duchovny. I don't remember, to be quite honest.

Yeah.

I'm I'm real also now realizing that I know. Nick's style here very, very well now.

Literally the internet. It's literally—

you're lying, dude. I mean, like, the internet, yes, but like one specific site on the internet, perhaps.

I literally printed it out and I throw a dart at— I take 10 darts.

I'm starting to feel like these are movies that came out before I was born or that I wasn't allowed to watch. I definitely know I wasn't allowed to watch Zoolander because I was in Like, maybe middle school, maybe.

Oh, it's such a good movie. Gasoline fight. It's great.

It's a great movie.

All right, number 6. Now he says, you're not your dad. He could sell ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves.

Tommy Boy. He tells it to Chris Farley when he's trying to sell him the car parts originally.

Right.

Yep. I did not remember. I haven't seen that movie.

Allegheny. Allegheny.

Before Bree was born.

These are— this is what the internet provides as funny movie quotes.

Keep on saying this, man. But like, are you— does your computer only go to a certain year on the internet? I mean, is it just—

I mean, I have my timestamp is set to 1994. I don't know if that makes a difference. Yeah, it surely does.

So you don't have any worries there for a couple of years.

Well, that's why I did it. I did not want to get hit with the bug. I just, you know, my Google Calendar gets screwed up a lot, but I think everything else seems to be working okay.

Yeah, on the computer that you're using, is MySpace still working?

Yeah, right. Or no, I have a GeoCities account.

He was bragging because Tom was his friend. He didn't realize everybody had Tom as a friend.

My GeoCities account is running like Clockwork right now. It is beautiful. So many animated GIFs. It's like a beautiful thing. Okay, now I'm not feel bad saying the rest of these because they might.

Well, you should. You actually should say them anyways, and we'll just continue making you feel bad.

That's that's this is this is just like every other day. Okay, perfect. Okay. Number seven looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

Some SNL character, uh, that went into a movie.

No, from—

I, I don't know.

It's from the movie Airplane. So yeah, it is the '80s.

Ah, I was gonna ask if it was from one of the Naked Gun movies because it sounded like it would be the same guy.

I mean, same— yeah, you got the same leading actor. Yeah, no, that was a good one.

Yep.

All right, here's number eight. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Billy Madison.

Wow, dude, you're killing it, which is not the intent of any of this—is for you to get good at it.

There's a really bad unfair advantage with you being brothers. I I I think there really is.

True, that's true.

Okay, but I don't like to share your VHS movie collection. I mean. Sorry.

But I don't like—

I worked at the same video store.

I do this, I do this intentionally for him to fail. I don't, I don't want him to succeed.

Yeah, there's no favoritism here.

There's no—

No, because my sister and I, even though we like, we watch some of the same movies, we have like different taste in movies. But if I say a quote of a movie that she knows I watched a lot, even if she was around when I was younger, she knows it from the sheer fact that she hated that I watched it.

Okay, that's fair. That's fair. Okay, maybe subconsciously I'm, I'm happy for you, but I'd still rather see you fail, you know, on the outside. So, but we'll just keep that between us friends here. Number 9, that rug really tied the room together, did it not?

I know this one. I know this one.

Come on, Dennis.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why. Oh yes, yes. That was a great movie. Okay, that's a brief. You've not seen this one. This is like actually of all the things he's mentioned so far, which most crap. Yeah, yeah.

This one was a required viewing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A Talladega Nights isn't that bad. I mean, that's a pretty good one.

It's it's not Big Lebowski good.

No, no, no, no, no, not at all. I'm not even trying to go. Okay, number ten. Now this one's a—I don't know—they've used this in like commercials. So, but there's no crying in baseball! Exclamation point just to emphasize.

Major League.

No, very close though. A League of Their Own.

Oh, see? Wow. Tom Hanks, baby. See, it's qual—it's quality like this that's gonna have Bree never come back ever again. Exactly. This is a quality.

Every single movie you just did was before she was born.

Yeah, but these are classic. These are supposed to—

I don't think any movie was from the year 2000 and after.

Like, no, possibly not, actually. Yeah, that's a good point. But yeah, that's just like—

that's not possibly, it's definitely not.

Yeah, right. No, no, right. And what I'm saying is when you look up like— and this is the thing too, like when you look up like funny movie quotes like just in general, or funny movie quotes, like, you know, whatever type of movie, like these are the lists that come up. They don't list like anything like as like famous funny movie quotes. Like it's about, 'cause I use the word famous 'cause I'm thinking like, okay, maybe that will be, even if it's not a movie like that was in this last decade, maybe it'll be one that like is so well known just from pop culture. So that tells you something. And I'm just going on a philosophical rant here. But that should tell you something because like, why aren't there more? And like, these are, these are like websites, like bigger websites too. It's not like these like little niches.

You need to stop using AltaVista, you know, to do your web searches.

Web crawler. It is web crawler, right? I use web crawler. Remember the spider web crawler?

I use Acid Sheaves. Is not working anymore. So you should move, move on at some point in time, bud.

I know. Next time I'm on, we're going to do Disney Channel movie references. Yes. You all gotta guess who said everything.

I'll tell you what, you create— here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna do an offshoot. You create some, uh, questions for us and we're gonna do another thing. We're gonna do like a follow-up sort of like mini episode and you are gonna quiz the 3 of us because yeah, that would be awesome. Absolutely. Like, I would love to, cuz there's some stuff I know maybe from like my kids, but then there's other stuff where I'm like, I don't know, like, like I may have heard of and I would love to be able to be like, I want to look like an idiot on the opposite end of like these questions.

I just want Nick to feel super old.

Well, as opposed to looking like an idiot asking that. I already look like an idiot asking these questions weekly, but like, or biweekly, but like, I want to look like an idiot on the other end.

You need to like have a little cardigan on or something like that to complete your old man look.

Nothing like a Rogers cardigan. Oh my God. Yeah, dude, I would rock that with a Developers After Dark t-shirt, might I add. I would, uh, that's the old man Laporte sitting on his rocking chair. And I gotta get one of those like pipes, but like the ones that are like '80s movies.

Exactly.

Like a Gandalf pipe and just kind of be like yelling at the kids in the yard.

Won't stop.

Get off my lawn.

You need the hat too. I don't know what the name of the hat is, but I guarantee you if you look at a grandpa, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.

It's like, ah, the painter's cap. Yeah.

The painter's cap.

Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yes. I'm not opposed to any of this, just so you know.

I mean, I'm sure you feel very comfortable with it. That's the problem.

I mean, I can get a members-only jacket somewhere. I know, like, I can— this could be something where this could be my outfit for the show. I would absolutely do that.

That would be—

I mean, we've already shown that we'll wear ridiculous stuff, you know, on camera. So yeah, but it would be a wonderful thing.

But, um, it's just the internet.

Yeah, it's not like it lasts forever.

It's only for a couple hours and then it's gone, right? Yeah, exactly.

None of this lasts forever, right? Right, guys? Right? I hope. Right? Yeah. But no, uh, but no, Bri, I wanted to thank you for putting up with our shenanigans, uh, for, uh, you know, the better part of an hour or so. And, um, it was really, really great talking to you. And can you tell people like where they can find you and if there's any projects or anything that you want to promote? Um, or anything like that? Yeah.

Um, you can find me everywhere at Bytes of Bree, B-Y-T-E-S-O-F-B-R-E-E. Um, I'm one of those people who had a, a .com website, so bytesofbree.com has all of my links and things that I'm working on, working on switching that over. But yeah, I don't think I have anything too crazy in the pipeline. Just trying to figure out where I can be speaking next year. So be on the lookout.

Uh, wait, no, no, you, you're not done yet, my friend. Aren't you going, aren't you gonna be in the city?

Oh, fun. Yes, React Summit in like 2 weeks. You can actually find me at React Summit in New York City in 2 weeks on the 20th.

Nice.

And I'm gonna be giving a virtual talk as well. You don't have to be in New York. It's gonna be on the 22nd, and I'm gonna be talking about how we accelerate value to our customers here at HubSpot.

Love it.

Smart.

Love it.

That is fantastic.

Thank you for the reminder.

See, that's why Dennis gets paid the big bucks to do this show. I mean, that's right. I'm just getting college credit. I don't— yeah, so this is just—

that's why you guys are getting paid.

Only one with the title Developer Advocate.

That's right, that's right, that's right. Only one.

It's true. I love it, I love it. Well, thank you again, Bri. It was fantastic talking with you and getting to know you better and just having a conversation, because that's— this is literally what this is all about. So this is pretty much the antithesis of what we want to do here. And we are so glad you were a part of it. And hopefully you will be a friend of the show going forward. But we definitely should schedule some time to do like a Disney kind of like, you know, questionnaire on the flip side of it. So that way we can participate and we can make complete fools of ourselves because that's literally my title here, you know, for what I do. So I'd feel right at home. Being able to do that, but but from everybody. Oh no, it's not. No, not at all. Thank you for you know taking the time because like you know most people would probably see Dennis on the bill and be like maybe some other time. Yeah.

Who can look at the the DAD the dad podcast and say no?

I love it. I love it. Well yeah, thank you from everyone here at Developers After Dark and the Developers After Dark family. We got to figure out what to call them too. Like we call them the family. I was gonna use army, but then I was like, eh, maybe that's not the right—

Grandchildren? The crew, the club.

You could do the crew, the club, right? Uh, but you gotta call 'em something, right? Like they're a group, like the Developers After Dark group or club or family. Um, but hopefully after this episode, Bri, you will still be, uh, one of the Developers After Dark family. Um, or you'll pretend like you don't know us anymore and that you were just, uh, blackmailed into doing this. So, but either way, we are glad that you were here. And from everybody here at Developers After Dark, I want to say thank you, and we'll see you again soon.

Bye-bye.

Bye.