Can A *Frequency* Simulate Nicotine, Caffeine, Melatonin, THC & Alcohol?! with Dr. Pradeep Albert

You apply certain frequencies to these stem cell media, it actually expresses different things. You can use a particular frequency, these mesenchymal stem cells turn into bone. It has this ability to put you to sleep in a way that I've never seen anything else do before. I put on the caffeine frequency and all of a sudden I felt—

In this podcast, I interviewed Dr. Preddy Albert. Uh, he is a leader in the field of regenerative medicine, and we talk about frequency wellness, but also a whole lot more peptides, stem cells, exosomes.

Again, I was a big skeptic, right? I'm not a guy that you would never expect someone like me to talk about.

Shownotes are juicy for this one. Go to bengreenfieldlife.com/dr-elbert. That's bengreenfieldlife.com/dr-elbert. Here we go. So, Pradeep, I've dialogued with you before just like the email and text and stuff mostly in the realm of stem cells, exosomes, peptides is a big one. And I would love to talk about that stuff later on, but one of the reasons we connected for this episode was because I've used this concept of frequency medicine before or using certain frequencies like things you wear or things that are near your body to simulate what a supplement or medication might do. And, I was talking with the folks at Hapbee and I think they're called—

Yeah, they're called Harmoniq now.

Yeah, Harmoniq, like Harmon IQ. And, I said, "Well, do you have a doctor, physician, scientist, someone who could kind of speak to frequency medicine and just the idea behind it and how it works in an informed and intelligent manner, no pressure. And, they dropped your name. So, I'm like, "All right. Well, that means we can talk about regenerative medicine and frequency wellness all in one show." So, welcome.

Okay. Well, thank you so much. And again, like I said, it's a pleasure to be here and an honor to be here. So yeah, so let's just jump right into it, right? So, when you're talking about frequency modulation and all these types of things, it just sounds it's way out there, right? And it just sounds almost like— and I'm a conventional MD, so the reason I keep saying that is that to some of my colleagues, it just sounds like it's just like from outer space, right?

Right. And no offense to anybody in this profession, but a lot of times you would expect to come across something like this in chiropractic medicine. And a lot of my friends are chiropractic docs, but sometimes you tend to come across more woo-woo type of concepts in that field. Not to throw them under the bus, I'd go to the chiropractic doc and appreciate it. And then, you also tend to hear, "Well, that's easy for a company to make something with lower COGs, better margins, and just say that the frequencies do what something that would have higher COGs and be more expensive to make like a supplement could do." So yeah, you see pushback like that all the time. You see the same thing in quantum energy or quantum medicine as well. But explain to me with your background, again, in conventional medicine as a respected doctor, how the whole frequency medicine thing works.

Well, okay. So, I'll just give you, for example, right? There are people that use red light therapy all the time, right? And it's just accepted that red light therapy helps you heal faster, right? And that's a wavelength of light. The same way, and I'm going to use an analogy here, which is relatively pretty straightforward, which is sound because that's the most akin to these ultra-low frequency things that we can use. So, when you use these things and there's no sound produced from it, it's not like you hear anything when you use them, but it's at a very ultra-low frequency in the spectrum of sound.

And to clarify real quick, this is like in the case of Harmonic, they have a thing that you wear around your neck. Kind of looks like, no offense, a dog collar. And then, they have a little mat that you could put underneath your pillow or behind your back on an airplane or whatever.

That's exactly right. So, it looks like an old-school device that you put around your neck for an old-school headphones and then basically a mat. So, let's just jump into the basic science of it, right? So, for example, known in the world of stem cell medicine, have grown stem cells. And if you take stem cells, right, and they go through this growth media or they grow when you add like different things to it, for example, when we add different proteins or different antibiotics or all these different types of things, they make these stem cells kind of grow in different patterns. What's fascinating is that if you apply certain frequencies to these stem cell media, it actually expresses different things. The Australians did an incredible study where you can use a particular frequency and these mesenchymal stem cells turn into bone. If you apply a certain type of frequency, there are different types of exosomes that are being released by these stem cells. So from a very cellular point of view, we all have a certain resonance and then a certain frequency. And again, from a basic science point of view, if you hit that, And if you play around with it, you can actually release different biochemicals and things of that nature for this, you know, from a science point of view. I'll just tell you how I, you know, got into this and, you know, just like you, right? It's just like, you know, I ran into this thing randomly when I was talking about stem cells and I actually tried it because I travel so much, right? I travel from all over the world lecturing and doing all these things. If you put this around your neck and you turn it on, it has this ability to put you to sleep in a way that I've never seen anything else do before. So I came at it just like everyone else. I'm like, oh, whatever. The fact that they gave me one and I said, hey, does this thing work? I was so tired. I was going through jet lag. Put it on, put on the sleep frequency. I slept like a baby in the middle of the day flying from New York to to, uh, um, UAE, um, you know, and a very long flight. And it was just amazing how well it worked. And then I turned it on the next day, I put on— it's like, hey, you know what, I got some sleep and I didn't feel groggy. I put on the caffeine frequency and all of a sudden I felt like awake. And, uh, so it's very, very interesting how well it works and uses non-pharmacologic frequencies. So you don't hear anything, you don't feel anything, you don't even— just, just like literally wearing like, uh, you know, this, this funky looking headset.

Yeah, yeah. And the frequency is it— so we've established it's not a sound frequency because it's not audible. Would you classify it, you know, as like a magnetic frequency, a radio frequency, or how would you describe it?

Like, for example, just like— and I use light because something visual that people can identify with. So there's two things that make up, from a physics point of view, okay, you have wavelength and frequency together and they make an object. Okay, so for example, there's a like without getting too technical, there's this, if you multiply the frequency of something and the wavelength of something gives you the speed of something, okay? There's like the visible spectrum of light, okay? And different types of wavelength give you different types of light, okay? You know, remember ROYGBIV from like, you know, from like grade school. The same way, if you play with hertz, which is 1 over frequency, and you, for sound, you're in the audible spectrum. Remember, like, there are dogs that hear in different— like, there are different animals and bats and all these different things or biological things, right? So there's a whole spectrum of things that produce these frequencies that are living biological things. And even our cells react to these things. In fact, our bodies resonate at different frequencies. And these cells, there's a silent hum of the universe, as you would say. And these resonances are normal stem cells, normal medications, and all these things just work. Now, remember, we're vibrating constantly in terms of our— in a cellular way, right? There's a particular frequency that we resonate at and for different organs, different things. So, the idea is that if you take this particular ultra-low frequency and you do that on a cellular level, it helps foundationally with health and sleep and things of that nature.

And is it like a magnet or some other kind of device? Because obviously, you have to charge these with blood., you know, like a USB-C cable, uh, that's producing the frequency.

It's the only thing akin to that you can use is, is that it produces a certain frequency. It's not really sound-based, but it's using like, uh, the sound analogies. It's almost like a mini speaker.

It's not a speaker though.

No, no, you won't hear anything. You won't hear anything.

Is it like a magnet?

Yeah, it's a magnetic resonant. All speakers have small magnets in them, right? So it just vibrates. Yes.

There's the one that you wear around your neck and then the mat, which you would put underneath you or lay against. Does it really matter which one you use or do you have a favorite one that you use?

I use the one, as you said, the one that you use around your neck, the one that makes you look like you're back in the '90s with the big headphones. I like that one the best because it just kind of focuses on my head and it helps me sleep. I'll just tell you how I've been using it clinically, just totally an aside. So, when you do these stem cell injections, right? So, for example, I treated somebody that's a very high-end athlete and I use these Dezao Mu Cells which are some of the top best stem cells you can use.

Yeah, Dezao Mu Cells, by the way, I have a couple podcasts on them. I'll put them in the show notes at BenGreenfieldLife.com/DrAlbert. Yeah, the favorite stem cell I've ever used in terms of how my body responds to it. So, I'm on the same page.

Yeah, it's amazing. I mean, you're doing some really great work in terms of muscle skeletal medicine, injecting into areas of like meniscal tears, injecting it subchondrally to help cure arthritis and those types of things. So, I just had a very elite athlete who had to have a pretty significant procedure done in the knee. And what happens is if you use lidocaine or if you use bupivacaine or all these local anesthetics, it actually kills the stem cell, right? So, it kills the sodium potassium pump. So, we try to use almost no anesthetic, at least I tried not to. I use vibrational technology to actually for pain distraction. And then post-procedure, you try not to, you know, some of these things can actually interfere with how good these stem cells actually work. So, I usually use this device, like I actually used it around this athlete's knee, put it on the pain relief, you know, soothing frequency and the patient felt very, very little pain after the procedure. So, that circular thing that you can put around your neck, you can put around a joint or something like that and it seems to have worked really well. And then, you put it back on your neck and you can fall asleep afterwards. So, I've been using it actually, frankly, as strange as it sounds, post-procedure-wise for non-pharmacologic use.

Ben Greenfield: Do you know what supplement or medication the pain or the soothing frequency is supposed to simulate?

Well, they have different ones, right? They have adenosine, they have nicotine, they have caffeine, they have THC. So, you know, to calm some people down, I put the THC frequency on. And then, you know, there's one just for stress, for relaxation.

And then you don't have to smell weed in the operating room.

No. Well, I give it to people and let them use it outside the operating room and outside the procedure suite. But it seems, I mean, all joking aside, again, I was a big skeptic, right? Like, I'm not a guy that You would never expect someone like me to talk about frequencies or harmonics or all these other types of things. It's not something that I was really comfortable with, but after using it clinically, it's amazing how well it works, frankly.

Ben Greenfield: Yeah. I've seen, and I've never used it for this reason specifically, even though I have some friends who go through a whole canister of nicotine pouches by noon, it seems, who might want to look into this. But I've heard that it could be used for addictions like smoking, vaping, probably pouches or lozenges or gum or whatever. Have you seen any evidence or seen that in your own practice or anything like that?

What happens is that when you're addicted to something, right? So, you're using an oral reflex or you use something to just kind of get yourself going. So, using this non-pharmacologically, I think attenuates or decreases the chance of you using, you know, like, you know, I'm not an addiction doctor, but it significantly reduces the use of pharmacology, right? Like, everybody, what we try to do is, you know, we're in a very transactional world where we want to take something to suddenly feel better, right? Whether it's peptides, stem cells, or something like that. But this is more— you don't have to physically take anything, you don't have to inject anything, you don't have to take anything orally. It just kind of like, just kind of relaxes you. So it seems to work works well for patients that I've seen at least. And again, I'm not an addiction specialist by any means, but I've seen people use it to control the nicotine cravings and to use less pharmacologic interventions, if that makes sense.

Yeah. How do you think it compares to stuff like for sleep, like magnesium or melatonin or a lot of common sleep OTCs or even pharmaceuticals?

Yeah. So, what those things do is that first of all, it works really well compared to those things. But it does it non-pharmacologically, right? So, what happens is you downregulate your sleep receptors. What you really want to do is get into delta sleep and you want to go into deep sleep and wake up with an incredible amount of relaxation and rest, right? And that happens when you hit certain frequencies. And this kind of puts you into that deep REM sleep without downregulating that that aspect of your, you know, of your, of your, like, farm. Like, every single thing has an action and a reaction, right? So if you suddenly start taking the same thing again and again, what it does is it disrupts those, those channels inside your brain and the receptors, and you can downregulate those receptors. So for example, there are people that are not in the wellness space that'll take a ton of Ambien to go to sleep. They just can't go to sleep. And what happens is they get addicted to this stuff because they can't It gives you pharmacological need to keep taking it to go to sleep, but this thing doesn't need that. You just turn it on and off and you're good to go.

Yeah. And so, with the neck one, I think it's stronger when I wear it. Maybe it's the proximity to the body, but if somebody didn't have both for sleep, you could take that collar that you wear on your neck and just put it under your pillow, right?

Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's exactly right. And like I said, you move it around. I like that one a lot for even joint pain. You know, you just put it around your knee or your shoulder. That's not the way that they promote it, but I'm just telling you, like, you know, they're probably going to be surprised when they hear me talking about it. But I use it clinically on patients after procedures and it seems to work incredibly well without using, you know, medication. And, and that's a big deal, especially when you're using, when you're using something as, as important as Dysautonomia Immune Cells or even some very targeted peptide therapeutics. What you don't want to do is to undo all the work. And this stuff is pretty— it's very important, so it's a little bit expensive. So, what you don't want to do is to affect that negatively. So, I use it for that.

Yeah, I could potentially get torn to pieces in the comments section by saying this, but I put it on the social function, which is supposed to simulate alcohol. I've had these units for 2 or 3 years. Put it around the neck of my son, during dinner rather than giving my son, say, a glass of wine or a shot of tequila, and he got loosey-goosey and started making jokes. And, I don't know how much of it was placebo versus how much of it was him getting the actual frequency of alcohol. And again, I did not give my son any actual ethanol, but I put the thing around his neck and I'm like, "Gosh, it seems to induce a pretty strong effect." So, It kind of leads me to the question with kids, is this something that people use with kids? Am I the only irresponsible parent out there or what's the deal with kids?

No. I mean, you could turn this on and off, right? As long as you're not giving it to them, I mean, from a purely science point of view, it's completely safe.

Yeah. He wasn't operating heavy machinery either.

Yeah, right. No, no, you shouldn't be wearing this around and playing sports or doing stuff like that, but absolutely to calm you down. Again, like everything else in life, use it within reason and use common sense. But yeah, I mean, like from a foundational point of view for sleep. If you don't get sleep, none of the other stuff that we talk about, all the biohacking, all the, you know, hyperbarics, all the red light therapies, all the peptides just don't work if you don't get sleep. So, this for me is a major sleep device. That's the way I use it clinically.

Yeah. I want to talk about pets because I heard— like, this is news to me. I heard literally like last night preparing for the interview that they wanted to expand this into the pet market. Do you know anything about that?

Sure. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah. So, if you have a dog or a cat and you put put it on this mat and you put the pet on top of it and you turn on their sleep modulation, especially at least I've seen, again, I don't have a pet, but I have two friends that are using this and they're using it to calm down their cats and their dogs, especially like if you're in New York City or a place where there's a lot of loud noises or you're traveling or if you're going on an airplane, it seems to work really, really well in terms of calming the animal down, the pet down. So, it just goes to deep sleep. And then, people actually, a friend of mine is actually using it on a dog that was rescued that has post-traumatic stress disorder. So, it's all stressed out all the time. And with this, it doesn't bark all night, it just actually sleeps. So, that's, I mean, dogs and cats, they don't speak, so they speak by their actions. Sleeping through the night is a big deal.

Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a fascinating device. And by the way, I'll link to the, I guess they have a new website, Harmoniq. You might be familiar with it as Hapbee, but go to BenGreenfieldLife.com/DrAlbert, like Dr. Albert, and I'll put some links for you guys to check out more and kind of see what the collar looks like, what the little mat looks like. It's the size of maybe a little bit bigger than a laptop. So, pretty portable, pretty easy. And, I was this week, I didn't know you did much writing, Priddy, but I went to your website and you have this fantastic relatively new article on emerging technologies beyond just frequency medicine in the field of longevity primarily, longevity and anti-aging. What are some of the things that are coming down the pipeline that you think are pretty cool, whether it's sirtuins or gene therapy or anything like that?

Sure. Yeah. You know what's so funny about this, Ben, is that as a quote-unquote MD, you would figure that every doctor is a longevity doctor, right? So, because the whole idea of this is to keep you alive, right? So this whole concept of this longevity doctor, which is obviously a good thing, but this attention to get people to live longer, it's almost an oxymoron. The idea all doctors should be, quote unquote, longevity doctors. That's our job, right? To keep you alive.

Yeah, it's good for business too. You got a patient that sticks around for longer.

And what's fascinating is that I don't think people understand, and I want to talk a little bit about aging itself, right? And then we could we could talk about, you know, these Dzauvu cells, and we could talk about these peptides and the salutes and things like that. But what's fascinating is about aging, right? So I don't think— so one of the challenges for me is, you know, conventional medical doctors, right? Like, you know, we're not taught— you know, I wrote— I'll just show you this. This book is not out yet. I just mailed you a copy. It's like a 530-page textbook on peptides.

Okay, the textbook of peptide science. Those of you watching the video, I think it's thick.

Yeah, but it's not out yet. It's not for sale yet. I mean, you don't write— you know, I mean, yeah, I'll just show you an example of like, you know, this gives you like a— I don't know if this is projecting well, but, uh, all right, let's see. There we go. Yeah, okay. So it's a textbook. What's happening right now is, is that in the world of conventional medicine, physicians, like, you know, they're very skeptical, right? Because they're both learning this through their patients and they're learning it through people like you, Ben. Like, you're saying things, patients are doing them, and patients are getting better, right? And they don't know— like, we're not taught a lot of the stuff that people are doing in medical school. Just not taught it. Or it's not— I shouldn't say we're not taught it. It's not concentrated on. Okay, so for me, medical education and talking— we'll get back to one of the exciting things that are coming out. For medical education, it's a big deal because younger doctors and changing medical education to be able to talk about cellular therapeutics And you, we could debate it, like whether it works or not, but that's a discussion. You can't just quote unquote ban it and say it's illegal. We should study it and go through the proper process of doing it. The same thing with these peptides, right? The idea is to be able to look at the science of it, do double blinded studies to figure out what the indications are of something and the contraindications or something. So to me, that's a big deal. So one of the most exciting things about Code Switch Longevity is, is the I think with the younger generation of doctors that are coming out, there's been an incredible acceptance of these new things and they want to learn about them and they want to know when to use them, when not to use them and things like that. And to me, that's a big deal, whether it's stem cells, peptides, all these other types of things.

By the way, it kind of makes you wonder, like, at what point it will infiltrate the actual medical education process, especially as a lot of these doctors become potentially professors or educators or guest lecturers, like, you know, at what point are there going to be tracks on peptides or stem cells or, you know, things like that in medical school?

Yeah. Well, it's coming out. So, this book is a textbook and it'll be in, you know, I wrote a textbook of stem cell medicine about 5 or 6 years ago. This is before AI, before ChatGPT. It took me 6 years to write that book.

I know, by the way, because I own it.

Thank you. Yeah. That took me a long time to write that book.. And basically, this book took me about a year and a half because it's a lot faster right now. So I wrote this book. I mean, again, I wrote it from an academic point of view to try to get patients, not just patients, but doctors to know what the indications and the contraindications for peptides are. Like, how do you use it clinically? Right? So going back, I want to talk to you about what I want to get across. And if there are people that are in the world of medicine listening to this, the actual science of aging itself, which is something that's really not taught. Okay, so we age in spurts. Okay, we don't just grow like, you know, aging is not linear. We don't just go like this, get older, older, older. We go through spurts. Okay, when you're like a child, we call it a growth spurt. Okay, but what it really is is an aging spurt. Okay, so when you go from like 0 to 2, you suddenly change morphologically, right? And, and you, you know, suddenly you grow really quickly. Your body, you go from a little baby, like a 5-pound baby to a 20-pound toddler. The same way you have another aging spurt, which is pretty big when you go through puberty between 12 to 14. And then you do, and again, those are quote unquote growth spurts because we call them growth because we physically change the same way when you get older from 40 to 44, from like 60 to 64, you have these aging spurts. And most people go through their final— unfortunately, the final one in their 80s, and you suddenly have major changes. So life doesn't just go linearly, or aging doesn't just— doesn't go linearly. It just kind of goes through like a staccato pattern, like we just go up and down. Okay. And I think that's a big deal. And that concept in this world of, you know, biohacking and things like that are not— is not well, um, known. So people, like, let's say you're going through one of those steps, right? So if you're looking at like markers, or if you, if you're going through certain stressors, or if you're having certain problems, then it can either magnify it and make it worse. For example, like, let's say you're going through a bankruptcy when you're like 42 years old and you're going through this like aging spurt. It can cellularly degrade, degrade you because you're really not well and your whole body is, you know, going, you know, against you. So when you're going through these aging spurts, as I call them, even the younger ones, even though they're called growth spurts, you have to be very, very careful during those times. For example, children that go through some very stressful times, family separation or poverty or war during certain times will have stunted growth. It's not just lack of nutrition, it's elevation of cortisol and decreased mTOR activity. So that to me is a big deal. And then all these different things that we talk about, like medications, stem cells, frequency, all these things play into these things and sirtuins and different types of mTOR activity. If you kind of understand that concept, you can measure, you can manage, and you can kind of help kind of heal during those times.

Okay, got it. So basically, there's different phases of the lifespan for which certain things would be better indicated when it comes to longevity?

That's correct. I'll give you the perfect example, right? You don't even think about this, but think about a lobster, right? Like a lobster molts or snake molts, right? Like you could physically change. There's a metamorphosis that happens, right? Yeah. And during those times, there's a physical change that happens. And the same thing happened to us. Like, for example, like, I'll talk about stem cells, right? Let's say you're born with 100 stem cells, just using it as a unit. By the time you're like 40, you've used up like 70 of them already, you know? So, and you're going, you're using them up as you're going through those like like the staccato of growth, like from 0 to 2, from 12 to 14, et cetera. You're just using those things up. And if you don't have optimal nutrition and going back to harmonic optimal sleep, which is foundational, think about what a baby does. A baby sleeps all day long, right?

It sleeps like when you have a small baby and then cries all night long.

Yeah, that's right. Exactly. They sleep all— but they sleep. And even teenagers, right? What do they do? They sleep and they eat all day long, right? And they oversleep on the, you know, so all these things, you know, to kind of understand that basics of when to do what, I think is a big deal. And I think that is not studied as much. And so, you know, yes, desire mu cells, using them clinically, for cellular therapeutics. Big fan. Nothing works better for anything that I've seen in terms of muscle cell injuries, for neurodegenerative disorders, all those other types of things. But when to put them in and what the contraindications and when not to do them is actually also something that nobody really talks about. I think that is important.

When would you not do something like a Muse Cell, which by the way, for those of you who haven't heard my previous podcasts on Muse Cells or just a fraction of mesenchymal stem cells that are very small, very compatible with the body. They home into the right area tissue. You don't get much of an immune reaction, almost non-existent cancer-causing potential. A lot of the issues you see with normal stem cells, you don't see with Mu cells. But, it sounds like even with those, there's a time you wouldn't use those?

Well, no. I mean, listen, those cells are actually very, very safe and you could use them anytime. But there are people that are like, they'll want to take like a cell. They call me up and they say, hey, Pradeep, Dr. Albert, I want to get stem cells like Monday, Wednesday, Friday. And they want to do it every week because it feels so good, which is okay to do. But overdoing something is not desensitizes your body and things like that. I think having the xylemucells, if you have a joint injury or if you have neurologic disorders or if you have you know, having them done on an annual or semiannual basis, especially if you have something, is a great idea. But to do them, you know, like every week, like, you know, you know how there are people that are just addicted to stuff to try to coach for performance. If you're a professional athlete, it's a wonderful thing to do. But, you know, if you're a regular person, you know, I think— let me take over the word Dzau Mu cells. Let me— because I think those are actually okay to do a lot. If you use conventional stem cells, right, conventional mesenchymal stem cells, and you use them too much, you get an immune response. So, if you're not using Dendritic immune cells and you're using conventional mesenchymal stem cells, if you're using them constantly, you can get an immune response.

Right. Swelling, redness, pain, inflammation, flu-like reaction. I've had it before.

Yeah. That's exactly right. So, the Dendritic ones are much safer and much more effective than any of those type of cells by far.

Now, you said something that some people might be very interested in. You mentioned something, I think, about using them in the subchondral space for arthritic conditions. A ton of people, especially aging active listeners, have joints that talk to them a lot that are just worn down. A lot of times from being healthy, right, from weightlifting or triathlons or marathons or just life. And many of those people, they'll get recommended at some point a knee replacement, or knee surgery, it sounds to me like Mu cells could be an alternative when it comes to cartilage regeneration.

Absolutely. So, I have to be very careful of the word cartilage regeneration. What we do is we take a— for example, most of the time, the arthritis, the most common arthritis in the body is a medial femoral condyle, right? We drill a small hole at the medial femoral condyle, we do an MRI, and we see bright signal or it just looks edematous or swollen. We stick a small needle, and it sounds very like, you know, complex injecting into the subchondral bone, but the whole procedure takes 5 minutes and injecting 20 million stem cells in there. These Mu cells completely remove that bone marrow edema. They clean up the debris around the articular cartilage. Okay. And the reason I want— I don't want to use the word cartilage regeneration because when we do 3T, 3 Tesla MRI imaging, the cartilage morphology changes to almost the way it was before. You know, when the cartilage goes back, you're not going to go in there and do a biopsy to see if it's really cartilage, right? Because you can damage it again. So we can physically see it on MR. We're assuming that's what's happening. There's a big change in, in the, in the, in the edema pattern of the medial femoral condyle, or frankly any joint space when you're injecting these subchondrally and you're putting in anywhere from 20 to 50 million new stem cells in there. And frankly, the biggest thing that happens is, is pain relief. So the patients get significantly better. And like I said, I've done this on a significant amount of professional athletes using these these cells and they seem to work incredibly well. The patients get back, not just professional athletes, but elderly people or people that are, you know, I'm 55, people that are, quote-unquote, my age or older that have knee pain or shoulder pain, it seems to work really, really well.

Ben Greenfield: Interesting. And, a lot of times people will talk about peptides like say BPC-157 or TB-500 for joint or soft tissue issues, I know you do a lot in the peptide realm. Is there anything that's kind of new or cutting edge or things that you turn to frequently when it comes to peptide medicine?

Yeah. So again, peptide medicine has to be very personalized, right? So, one of my favorite peptides which is never talked about is LL-37. I don't know if you're familiar with LL-37.

Yeah, I am as something That is like an antimicrobial peptide, right?

That's correct. Yeah. And we get sick, like, you know, what's fascinating is, is that we think about ourselves, right? As, you know, we're like not just one organism, right? We have a gut flora and all these other types of things. And LL-37, what it, what that does is helps kill off your own natural antimicrobials that's making you sick. Not your natural, you know, any pathological or any infectious etiology it boosts your own immune system through macrophages or T cells or natural killer cells and kills them off. So from that point of view, I think it's probably one of the best peptides there is because you're not killing off your natural gut bacteria by taking like a lot of antibiotics. We do that on children all the time, right? We— every time somebody has a, has a earache, lots of times it's just a virus, it just goes away. We start them— we start a lot of people on these, uh, antibiotics. And then later we find out later that there's like antibiotic resistance, there's changes in the gut flora, the patients have other types of rheumatologic or GI abnormalities. So I'm a big fan of LL-37, not only for antimicrobial use, but also for using it for specifically for, you know, like not just for antimicrobial, just in like bacteria but also for viral disorders and for fungal disorders. So, if you have toxic mold or things like that, this stuff works really, really well.

Ben Greenfield: Would you ever use it preventively or proactively on a regular basis or is this something you would use when you know that someone has been exposed to a viral load or they're dealing with a microbial issue, mold, mycotoxin, fungi, et cetera?

Shawn Baker: Absolutely. I would use it Not, not proactively. I'm a very conservative guy. I don't like to use anything unless we have to. And so there's contraindications to using it. There's 3 things you shouldn't use this for, right? So if you have history of breast or lung cancer, or you have history of prostate cancer, this stuff isn't good for you. But for everything else, if you have an infection, amazing to use. It clears it up very quickly. Your immune system is intact. You haven't lost your gut flora. I think even in younger people, I think more studies need to be done, but in younger patients, I think it's an incredible way to cure and heal diseases. It also has an incredible effect of actually wound healing. So for example, if you have a diabetic ulcer or diabetic wound, that's a big topic of research for me. In fact, the way I got into regenerative medicine in the first place was I would wonder when I was a much younger man, I would see these ulcers in the foot and ankle and these people were miserable. There was nothing, there was no antibiotic we could do. We would put catheters in to open up the blood flow. There's nothing we could do. It's almost like a cancer that's focal and we could do nothing to get these people better. And this LL-37 does an incredible job of healing that type of pathology in the right—

Now, do you mean applied topically or as an injectable?

Injectable.

Injectable. Okay, interesting. So, you would inject it, let's say, subcutaneously and it would have an effect on a diabetic ulcer?

Absolutely. More studies have to be done, but that's— one of the reasons I'm a big fan of helping regulate this is that some of these peptides right now, as you know, that they're being worked on in terms of regulatory issues going through them. And with this, back by July, August, should all be approved. But we need to be able to study it, right? The only way we can study is if we use it. And to make it criminal not to be able to use it is, to me, it's completely illogical.

You're like the peptide company you're involved with is Vaselius, right?

That's correct. I'm the CEO of Vaselius Longevity Labs, correct.

And is that— is like, is LL-37 something somebody can get at Vaselius?

We have, you know, we're an international company, right? So, um, LL-37 is, uh, so we have an international branch. There are things that we can sell outside the US that we cannot sell in the US because of regulatory issues. We're very mindful of it. So we're the first peptide company to, to manufacture in the US to make sure we follow all— I mean, uh, you know, the Wall Street Journal has tested our peptides. They're all clean, American-made, no toxins. In fact, I think we were the only ones that had no endotoxins and had nothing.

Yeah, well, well, you know, there was a big article, I think it was New York Times, It was kind of a smear article on peptides and they were talking about issues with regulation in the industry. And then, they took a bunch of peptides that this was maybe 6 weeks ago I read this article to a lab in Texas. I think it was Texas. And they had them tested and there was contamination and improper amounts of the compounds in the bottles. And then, they said, "And then, we tested this one brand that influencer Gary Brecka promotes." And it was clean and it had in it what it said it had in it. And that's Vasylia. So, they didn't say your name, but I'm like, oh, well, I know which one Gary uses. So, it was your bottle.

Yeah, yeah. No, Peptrol is the brand and we have two PhDs working on quality control. We have pharma quality control. We were the first. We will be listing in the Canadian Stock Exchange in the next, like, in a very short while. We're excited because we're the largest peptide provider in many countries around the world, and we're growing astronomically in the United States. We're excited about this company. I'm personally excited. And we also have a relationship with Dizao Immucells to be able to use them clinically. So we can use— people can get those from us as well. So very, very excited about this company. We're very excited about the quality. Control. We have legitimate— Matt Cook, I know you know Matt, I'm a big fan of Matt. Matt's a great guy and he's using all of Vasalia's products and there are people all over the country that are using them. So, we're very excited by this company.

Ben Greenfield: Yeah. One other related to, I guess, the immunity part or the avoid getting sick part if you want to call it that. Thymosin alpha-1, TA-1, is something a lot of people talk about. Do you use that at all in your practice or personally?

Yeah, absolutely. So I'll tell you my— like, I have this way of thinking. You're only as good as your weakest organ. Okay. That's the way I think about it. Right. So I think about longevity very differently. Right. And I'll go back to the foundational aspect. When you think about lifespan, right, the average lifespan for a male in the United States is between 78 to 82. Okay. I know that doesn't sound that long. That means 50% of us don't make it there, right? Half of us don't make it there. So when I look at, like, everybody's into, like, biological age and, and all these other types of cellular therapeutics to get us, you know, to, to live longer. But to me, one of the biggest things is, is let me get you to 78, and then new technologies will get there. Maybe we'll get you to 148 by then, you know what I'm saying? So the idea is to get you there, to get, to get you there. And how do these peptides get you there? The things that, quote unquote, damage you are mitochondrial injury, sarcopenia, right? I'm 55, and as I get older, what happens is I start losing testosterone, I start losing muscle mass and sarcopenia, which is a big deal. And you're physically exercising throughout the entire podcast, which is amazing, and kudos to you for doing that. But keeping up muscle mass, keeping up, in fact, getting back to the foundational things, sleep, keeping up muscle mass and good nutrition. 3 inexpensive, almost free things, right? And if you do those 3 things, you get that foundational aspect to get to your average lifespan. So using the foundational peptides like the ipamorelin and the tesamorelin to kind of keep your muscle mass and stop the muscle atrophy, or to use MOTC to help with mitochondrial health, In fact, after you get to a certain age, you know, your mitochondrial health kind of declines very, very rapidly. So, you know, you know what we call senolytics. These are the types of things that, that I'm a big, big fan of. And again, I'm not for one stack works for everyone, but the things that I concentrate on are antimicrobial activity, mitochondrial health, and, and, and muscle bulk are the three things that I, I, I use personally. Other things which no one ever talks about For example, PT-141, which is used for sexual dysfunction. You know, like, you know, as you get older and having PT-141 for both men and women—

seems particularly potent, by the way, for female libido.

That's correct, exactly. An amazing, amazing peptide that, that, you know, these are things that make you live, right?

Like, a lot of guys just perked up, by the way, about leaving a bottle of that in the refrigerator for their significant other.

Yeah, it's— yeah, exactly. Incredible. In fact, we're working on stacks that use conventional medicine, which also increases nitric oxide, and then adding PT-141 to it. So, it works on multiple pathways. So, we have significant amount of R&D in that space as well. And we find that as an incredible opportunity to kind of grow that space.

Okay. Whether it be related to stem cells, exosomes, I know kind of fit into that regenerative medicine field as well as peptides or any other tricks you have up your sleeve, Talk to me about cognitive sharpness and brain performance.

So, I'm a big fan of something called Cerebralysin. I don't know if you use Cerebralysin.

I have in the past, yeah.

But, Cerebralysin is a neuropeptide growth factor. If you take— it has 3 different growth factors in it. And, the only negative is that if you infuse it too fast, if you have a heart condition, you can cause a change in your heart arrhythmia. So, you have to make sure that it's under a physician's guidance. But, if you infuse it intravenously, Actually, I'm doing a clinical trial now on using it on patients that have had recent ischemic strokes. Okay, so it improves the stroke penumbra, which is just a fancy word of saying, you know, like, there's no other treatment. If you have— if you had a stroke and half your brain is dead, there's nothing else you can do. People can give blood thinners and things like that. There's no other, you know, real medical thing that you can use. And using cerebrolysin in that indication is amazing. But if you're just healthy, And as you're getting older, you have ischemia. Using serolysin is an incredible way for cognitive improvement. The same thing with using these Dizao immune cells intranasally and putting them in the cribriform plate, pushing the patient in a Trendelenburg space and having that kind of sit there as well as intrathecal administration of— intrathecal, which means going into spinal canal and injecting these. Is a big deal. So I'm a big fan of using all three together.

How uncomfortable is that to do the intranasal? Is this like, is this under anesthesia, or does it— you just put some up somebody's nose?

No, it's just as simple as putting it up your nose and just having the patient lay back for like 10 minutes. So it works really well. Interesting.

What about exosomes?

Are you using those much outside the U.S.? Exosomes are perfectly legal, so we're using them. Um, you know, if you're using exosomes, or like, if you think about exosomes, right, they're like So, stem cells are like the tree. The exosomes are like the fruits of the tree. So, you get immediate anti-inflammatory. I've never seen anything that worked as well as an exosome to reduce focal inflammatory change, right? You could use them on your skin locally.

I know. I did that this morning. Well, I mean, they're really technically only available for practitioners, but because I was supposed to shoot a video kind of like holding them up and showing how to use them, I had the kit with the hyaluronic acid and the exosomes in my refrigerator. And today, I literally derma stamped my whole face, whatever, $10 derma stamp you get off Amazon, and then combined hyaluronic acid with exosomes and did a full facial.

So, at Vitalis, we have a Dzau Mu Cell exosome and hyaluronic combination together. And, it's amazing. It's used for, again, topically for you know, aesthetic, cosmetic purposes only. And it works spectacularly. Outside the US, we use these cells also, or we use these exosomes for major anti-inflammatory. You know what's exciting is, is that we're hoping that the rules and regulations change for children that have like inflammatory arthritis, like rheumatoid arthritis or juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. They have to take some very hardcore medications that affect the entire body. So, if you just inject it into a small joint, that joint swelling goes away and the patient's fingers and joints move very, very quickly.

Wait, what do you inject into the joints, the exosomes? Yeah. And you would, you would choose that over stem cells?

Well, there's an indication, a contraindication for either one of these things. For an inflammatory arthritis, for like a rheumatoid, rheumatologic disorder, especially for juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, it's incredibly useful. Um, again, we use those outside the U.S. because rules and regulations outside of the IRB in the U.S. are limited. But in the United States, we can use them. As you know, the laws have changed, so we can use the stem cell product in the US. But for children, I find the exosome, the Xiaomisel exosome product for arthritis, especially for juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and any of the inflammatory arthritides, incredibly useful.

Interesting. Now, one thing I'm often asked, you might know the answer to this, is some cosmetic surgeons will say that follicular transplantation is really the only way to address receding hairline, baldness, et cetera. And yet, some people are now talking about GHK copper peptide, especially combined with some type of abrasion like derma rolling or microneedling to actually have an effect on follicular growth. Do you know anything about that?

Yeah, I use it personally. If you saw a picture of me from maybe 4 or 5 years ago. I mean, I've been, you know, and my wife said I should go to Turkey and, uh, you know, to get a hair transplant, and I, I didn't get it, get one. I just used the derma roller. I used, I used the, uh, the Muse, uh, uh, Exocell product on my, uh, topically on my hair. I also use GHK-CU also on my hair, and I don't have as, you know, wonderful hair like you do, but it's, it's getting there.

Well, I actually have been using GHK in my hair for a year and a half I don't know if it has anything to do with all of this, but anecdotally, I, for about a month, have been using it on my face every 2 or 3 days. And, I have gone from needing to shave every couple days, every 2 or 3, to every day I wake up with dark growth on my face. And, the only thing I changed was I started putting GHK copper peptide on before I put my other skincare products on. From what I understand, it's small enough as a peptide, like what, 40, 50 Daltons, something like that to where it's actually absorbed transdermally.

That's absolutely correct. It's a very small kilodalton applied topically. And it's like adding, just adding it to your face and it's amazing what it does. We're also working on some collaboration with the people over at Musol Innovations. To come up with a Dazao MuCell peptide combination which uses GHK-Cu plus Dazao MuCell Exosomes for hair growth, for focal stuff.

Okay. Yeah. One person I spoke with about GHK copper peptide said the pH of a solution makes that difficult to pull off in terms of maintaining the right acid-alkaline balance for the GHK to remain stable or something like that.

You know, it's almost like a Lunchable, right? So, you could take one, and add the other. That's why they come separately. So, um, so, so the idea would be to do something like that.

In the few minutes that we have left, what's another technology or exciting development that you haven't had a chance to talk about yet?

So, um, you know, uh, cancer. So I'm a personal consultant to several governments, and, and to— when I say governments, just, you know, non-governmental entities outside the US, as well as in the US, it's for several large funds looking at new technologies that are coming out. And there's about 7 different types of malignancies or cancers that the data have shown that are already cured using CAR T-cell therapy and things of that nature. And they're all over coming from all over the world. And over the next, our FDA is very slow in approving some of these things. And these are double-blinded studies. They've already been done. And I'm excited because I think cancer over the course of the next decade is going to become a chronic disease, if not completely cured with some of the biologic CAR T-cell therapies. And I think things that are, you know, there are people that are living decades and decades with active malignancies and it just becomes like diabetes. So that's the goal. And I've seen lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, several types of Crohn's disease, or inflammatory bowel disease and at least 7 types of malignancy completely, completely, like I've seen the data for it. I don't know where it's going to end up with which companies that get these things, but it's incredibly humbling that I think that we're living in the time, God willing, that we'll live long enough that we're going to see the cure to some chronic diseases that we can't, you know.

Wow. And what does CAR T-cell therapy look like I guess logistically, is it like an infusion or a series of treatments or what do you do?

So there's two different types, right? There's one that's personalized where you take your cellular therapy, like you said, you take, so for example, right? Immune cells work on everyone, right? They work on everyone. It's not whatever. But these cells, you take your particular tumor cell or something like that and not something like that. You take your particular tumor cell and you take a CAR T-cell therapy and you grow these T-cells. To attack that particular mutation. And now with artificial intelligence and the rapid rise of computing technology, you can design a personalized RT cell therapy that can basically kill or target that. I think this use of artificial intelligence over the next probably 5 to 7 years is going to be a game changer, not just for all sorts of diseases, things that we One of the problems with chronic diseases, right, there are people that have these unusual diseases that there's not that much money being spent on them. Now with AI, I think there's an incredible opportunity to cure diseases that people are just suffering with and there's no real cure for.

Wow. Do you need to go overseas or international to do the CAR T-cell therapy?

Well, no. I mean, yes. Right now, see what's happening right now, and I'm hopeful that our current administration, which they are, it seems like they're very keen on updating rules and regulations to be able to get novel therapeutics, right to try laws and things like that of that nature. Because if you're really sick, right, you know, what are you going to do? You have to travel to some third world country to get something done.

Yeah. Which is hard to do if you're really sick.

That's correct. Yeah, exactly. The idea for me, and this is a singular thing that I've been working on personally, if there's a life goal of mine, is to make sure that all these novel therapeutics, wherever they're available, are available in the United States. I think we're in terms of, I think we have some of the best doctors on the planet. We have some of the best infrastructure on the planet. If we just had the best therapeutics and they were allowed, right? Again, in a reasonable double-blinded study way, not to just say, oh, we don't just a blanket say everything's allowed or nothing is allowed. We have to have a pathway which is much easier to be able to get these novel therapeutics approved in the United States. And I think, and I'm praying to God that actually happens now.

Yeah, yeah. I think there's great promise. I was actually just back in D.C. last week doing RFK's podcast and he had lots of questions about peptides, about stem cells, about regenerative therapy. So, I know it's on his radar and hopefully on the radar of many others who are making these decisions. Okay. Well, we are running short on time, but what I'm going to do is I don't think Dr. Albert's new book on peptides is ready yet, but hopefully I get my copy fresh today and I'll be able to give you guys some feedback on it. And, I will certainly let you know on Instagram, Twitter, et cetera when that book's out. But, BenGreenfieldLife.com/DrAlbert, D-R Albert. I will link to Pradeep Albert's website, his channels, Vasalius for peptides, more information on the MuCells at the MCI, the MuCell Institute website. And then, also Harmoniq. If you want to try this frequency wellness for yourself or now for your pet, I've got discount codes and links for those as well all over at BenGreenfieldLife.com/DrAlbert. Pradeep, thanks so much for doing this, man.

Thank you, Ben. It's a real pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.

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