Can Water Be A Health Elixir?! The Science Of Structured Water with Mario Brainović

We did a double blind study where we brought two genetically identical twins. So it was a golden standard study. You have two individuals which are genetically identical. We gave a glass of regular water to one and glass of analemma water to the other. One doctor administering the water didn't know which one was which, and twins didn't know which one was which. And we monitored their brainwave patterns through qeeg. Almost as soon as the twin that took couple of sips of NLM water, there was an almost instant better connection between the right hemisphere of the brain, an almost instant harmonizing effect on the brain waves. So this was first really powerful and irrefutable evidence that something biologically remarkable happens when people drink NLM water.

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Well, my guest, Mario Brainovich on today's show is an entrepreneur. He's a researcher and a visionary in the field of health and wellness. And he loves to geek out on water. He's got some pretty cool and crazy concepts when it comes to water. And I've talked about water on the show before. I've talked about structured water and hydrogen water and even fricking deuterium depleted water. But Mario's got some very interesting ideas about water that I've been looking into, ideas I actually haven't talked about before on the show. So I figured it'd be cool to get Mario on. So, Mario, welcome.

Thank you for having me here. I'm super excited to share this whole story. I'm super passionate about this whole topic and have been for years. So I'm super happy to be here.

When you say you've been passionate about this topic, I'm assuming you mean water for years. Tell me about that.

Well water and health and wellness.

Like 15 years ago, I was so passionate about health and wellness, so I opened a natural pharmaceutical company which I ran for years, and I helped thousands and thousands of people. And it's super gratifying. I think this is one of the most gratifying things you can do in your life when you actually help somebody come back to health and happiness. It's kind of really, really a beautiful thing. I did this for many years. I had really lots of beautiful medicines and I sold the whole business to Walgreens after a decade or so. And after that I was kind of, I wanted something, I wanted to immerse myself in something which will help people, which will help animals, which will help plants, which will help the environment. It was a very tall order. But an lemon water ticked all the boxes. So I was super, super exc when universe kind of intervened and introduced me to Dr. Eric Larker, the founder of NLM Water and Dolph Zantinge. They've actually created this extraordinary thing called NLM Water.

What's a natural pharmaceutical company?

So I've sold only.

Pharmaceuticals which are natural based, so they're not synthetic. And only medicines, natural medicines which basically have no side effects, which actually work very well with the body. And I truly believe that, you know, when you have, there are so many highly effective substances, you are, if somebody's aware of that, you're aware of that. So when there is a natural substance, it naturally works with your body. But when something in synthetic, and most of the synthetic formulas are actually coming from nature, but then, and Big Pharma is changing the molecule so they can call it their own. But with that change there is also a mismatch with the whole natural system. If you introduce natural things into your body, your whole system is going to respond holistically most of the time anyhow.

So what's an example of a natural pharmaceutical?

Just various herbs in certain percentages that work synergistically to treat various indications.

Okay, so, so it's kind of like a, it's a, the same thing as like a, like a supplement. Just, just basically the, the, a non.

Synthetic supplement, non synthetic. Because I had some actual biomedicines as well, which was super, super effective, but they're not synthetic in nature.

Okay, got it. And then you said after you sold that company to Walgreens and congratulations by the way, that, that sounds like it was probably profitable. I imagine you met these folks from Analemma Water. Tell me about that.

Yeah, so.

My wife actually came to the lecture of Dolph Zantinge and she heard this extraordinary story and extraordinary science. I mean this whole project is 15 years in the making and 50 plus scientists working over three continents to kind of get where NLM water is. So she got me excited and I got involved in the project and since I have all this background in clinical research, then I started doing these double blind placebo control studies on humans and results were really phenomenal. And you know, when you do something like that, it really. This really excites me. When you see such profound change in biology, then you can get like, I'm really, like, I'm geeking out, geeking out on the whole thing.

Yeah. Who's this Dolph guy you've mentioned?

Dolph is one of the. Dolph Zantenge. He's also one of the founders. He was actually. His story is really interesting because he was one of the leading, I believe, a CEO of Dutch Telecom at the time. And he realized there is really nasty things happening with EMFs. So he was very excited about finding ways how to mitigate those negative effects. And he found it in water. So one of the research that we were actually doing is also in emf. We can actually touch upon those studies as well.

Okay, so, yeah, I definitely want to talk about the EMF and water thing. But your wife went to one of his lectures and that's how you found out about this new technology that he'd been working on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's how I got introduced to them, to both Dr. Eric Larker and Dolph Zantinke. And then we started talking. And since I have all of this background and experience in marketing and everything, I came on board and I started doing studies. In the beginning, I financed studies. Just this is how I entered actually finance studies, just to see whether something amazing is going to happen. And I didn't even do it from any business perspective. I just wanted to support the project because I really believed in it. And the results were so phenomenal that it just kind of. I want to be part of this. I want to immerse myself in it. I want this to become my life. And this is the thing that I have been doing now for years.

Before you started doing these studies, were you even interested in water much at all? Were you just like the average person drinking plastic bottled water or municipal water, or were you kind of already into water filtration?

Well, water filtration, yes. But I always knew that there was something magical and extraordinary about water. You know, all ancient spiritual traditions had this great reverence about water. There is extraordinary healing power in water, and I always intuitively understood that, so knew there was something there. Yet you couldn't get too much information about it. So I was thrilled to actually connect to scientists that are doing Hardcore science in it. Dolph and Eric actually picked up a whole lab from a famous German scientist, Dr. Fritz Albert Popp. And he developed this technology that can capture biophotons. So every living, every biological system exudes these tiny particles of light called biophotons. The more biophotons biological system exudes more vitality. It has. So early on in the research, they actually had this huge greenhouse where they did research on plants. And they realized that when you water plants with Nilema water, they start to exude between 60 and 200% more light. This was the first experiment on biological system where they saw, okay, something really incredible is happening here. This was the very beginning of the research.

When you say they exude more light, is that the. What's it called? Gas Discharge visualization Camera. Is that how you actually visualize something like that?

Yeah, that's one of the ways, yes. Dr. Albert Popp actually created a form of that. So we based all of our research on it, because we picked up the whole lab and the whole technology. And he was very early on, he was one of the first that developed this technology. So you could measure biophoton emissions of plants at that time.

Interesting. Okay, so you've mentioned a couple times. This is Analemma water. What is that?

Analemma water is. So we realized in our research that water currently exists in what we call a chaotic state. So it's still H2O, but H2O molecules, they actually move randomly, they move chaotically, they crash into each other constantly. But since all of this is happening on an atomic level, nobody's really aware of that. We found a way. We realized that water can exist in what we call a full spectrum coherent state.

A full spectrum coherent state.

Yes. So when you use our technology, what happens when you use Analemma and you submerge it in the water and you start swirling? Any H2O molecule that comes to the close proximity to the wand starts to mimic the exact structure of water that is inside.

Well, back up just a second. You said a wand. So you're literally putting a device into water, and that's how you're making the water, this new kind of water that you're trying to create.

Yeah. To explain the science of it, we realized that water always picks up the most dominant frequency of its environment. Always. So it's so important how we treat water, because water is always going to pick up the frequency. This is where it gets interesting. People usually go to the chemical side of things when they think about water and the filtration but even when you take the chemical out, the frequency of that chemical still stays in. And you're actually drinking the water and inducing that frequency into your body, just like the chemical was inside. And this is where NLMA actually shines. It clears completely energetically the frequency of that water. It primes water, it puts water in this very particular liquid crystalline state. There are these coherent fields that start to emerge in the water. And water enters into, let's call it the unison. It starts to move in harmony with itself. So it's no longer separate, it's no longer chaotic. It actually becomes one. And through this unique process, water becomes alive, it becomes empowered, and it can do so much for health and wellness. And that's what we proved through all of our double blind placebo control studies, huh?

Based on the idea of the hydrogen and the oxygen in water. When you say water becomes one, what does that mean from a chemical standpoint?

H2O molecules, colloquially speaking, they start to join hands and they form a liquid crystalline structure. It enters into liquid crystalline state.

I always like to explain it to people. For instance, if you take a light bulb of 5 watts, it will give you some light. But if you take 5 watt laser, which is a coherent or focused form of light, it can drill a hole through your table. So it's the same power, but the focusness, the structure of light or the structure of water plays the difference.

So when I look at. What's that? Gerald Pollock at University of Washington, where he has exposed water in a small glass pipette to photons of light and shown that the water changes its structure to create. He calls it easy water exclusion zone water, where I believe it's the.

I might be remembering this backwards possibly, but I think the interior lining of the glass vessel is negatively charged and the water forms a positive charge. And water is able to travel through a vessel against gravity the same as it would in a plant. Based on the way that the light is structuring the water. Is what you're describing the same thing as that or is this different?

It's actually different. This is where we can see that we don't understand anything about Jerry. Dr. Gerald park is a dear friend of ours. And we actually compared easy water exclusion zone water and our water, and it's actually not the same. So we came to our particular structure, let's call it that way, in completely different way. So we were using. It takes one full year for us to create what we call the mother water.

Did you say the mother water?

The mother water, yes.

Okay.

And it involves precious metals, it involves lightning, it involves various things. But once it passes through the fifth stage, when water enters into this very particular state, it never goes back. This is the difference between various other technologies. You have vortexing, you have crystals, you have magnets that can form some sort of a structure. But we tested basically almost all of the devices out there, and water holds the structure anywhere between a couple of minutes and day and a half. Then the water molecules break and the water goes back to chaos.

You mean like if I had a structured water filter device in my house or one of those pour over devices that structures water? Or I take some people take like a glass mason jar of water with some minerals in it and set out in the sunlight that would structure the water. But what you're saying is that if I just let that sit for a while, the nature of the structuring, that I believe it's like H3O2 bonding and the formation of that exclusion zone that eventually goes away after a day, a day and a half or so.

Yeah, a day and a half is like the top structuring devices can actually reach a day and a half. And then the water molecules break, usually just a couple of minutes. But the difference with NLM water is once it passes this fifth stage, it never goes back. We tested it now for six and a half consecutive years after just one treatment, and water never went back to chaos. That's the main difference. And we were actually, it's really extraordinary. We were surprised how extraordinarily stable the structure is once it enters into this space.

Okay, so to make this water, you just mentioned a few things I can't skim over. You said precious metals, you said lightning. I mean, what's the secret sauce here? How are you actually making this?

Yeah, we decided not to talk about this. That's why we decided that we didn't, didn't want to even patent the whole procedure because it's very complex and it's going to be very hard for somebody kind of to just stumble upon it. So we don't want to. We decided not to share too many details, but we just can say that these kind of elements, precious metals and let's say geometry and lightning plays a huge part in making the water extraordinarily stable.

Do you guys ever get called out on that? Like people asking you if there's also unicorns and dwarfs and orcs and wizards? I mean, surely some people have pushed back on that.

From a scientific standpoint, that's a totally valid question. But this is why we have Invested so much in the science. That's why we're doing double blind, placebo controlled studies, third party tested. So that we didn't even want to. We went through the regular route of proving that the water actually changes the state. But we didn't want to stay there. We wanted to prove what are the effects on actual biological systems.

We now, our research proved that 99% of our molecules are water. We're basically very clever. H2O when you look at it. And that off the bat tells you there is something extraordinarily important about water. And we now know that when you change water, entire biology follows. We proved short term effects, midterm effects and long term effects of drinking NLM water.

Okay, got it. So you said the liquid crystalline state is what this water actually is. So if I look at that under a microscope or whatever, how would a liquid crystalline state compare to just looking at regular water?

Well, it's going to be very hard to observe that. There are ways in near infrared, ultraviolet, visual spectroscopy, all the other things. But the key element is scientific community is still kind of vague there because there aren't no.

Sophisticated equipment that can accurately tell you, yes, structure has been formed. We're not talking about molecular level, we're talking about atomic level.

So when you put the water through all these stages and you say it goes through the fifth stage, how do you know when it's ready? How do you guys know when it's in its in the proper state?

Yes, the first thing that we always test is biophotone emissions. So you all. There is a dramatic difference in biophoton emissions when you water the plant with regular water and when you water the plant with an Alema water. This was the first thing that we tested and retested for many, many, many, many times. So we exactly know when water used was coherent or when it was regular. Because there is dramatic difference in biophoton emissions. So this was the. We do. Maybe this is a cool moment to jump in into our first human study.

Yeah, I'm curious about that because obviously I'm not a plant. I have plants and it'd be cool to see what happens, but I'm actually more interested in what would happen to me if I drank it.

Yeah, totally cool. So since this water is what we call an electromagnetic phenomenon.

We were kind of thinking what's the most electromagnetic part of human biology that we can very accurately measure? And it was our brainwaves.

Oh, I was going to guess the heart.

The heart, I agree. But it's very, you can, let's say you can measure it very accurately through qeeg. And it's kind of very easy. It's very available technology. So this is, I agree with you, heart is much stronger and the field is really powerful. But this is something that you can measure in the whole science around brainwaves. It's rather old and well established. So this is the route we decided to go. So we did a double blind study where we brought two genetically identical twins. So it was a golden standard study. You have two individuals which are genetically identical. We gave glass of water, glass of regular water to one and glass of NLM water to the other one. Dr. Administering the water, didn't know which one was which, and twins didn't know which one was which. And we monitored their brainwave patterns through qeeg. As soon as twin that took a couple of sips of regular water, we saw zero change in brainwaves. There was literally nothing. Everything basically stayed the same, which you would kind of expect. But almost as soon as the twin that took a couple of sips of NLM water, there was an almost instant better connection between the left and right hemisphere of the brain, an almost instant harmonizing effect on the brain waves. So this was first really powerful and irrefutable evidence that something biologically remarkable happens when people drink NLM water.

Did you switch out the twins then and give the opposite twin the water and the other one the regular water just to make sure that one twin didn't have some weird defect that made them not respond to any water at all?

Exactly. We actually repeated and we didn't even want to do it at the spot. We waited three weeks. So three weeks later we repeated the experiment and we saw exactly the same thing happening, but now with the other twin.

Okay, so the twin that originally got the coherent water then didn't show the positive brainwave response, but the twin that got the regular water and then got the coherent water did exactly.

That was the exact same that happened. And the first twin took a couple of sips of regular water. Again, it was nothing. So it was totally cool because these are two genetically identical twins. You could see it's like you copy pasted the event, which was really interesting for us to observe. And there was also this delta coherence that started to happen. Usually delta coherence happens when people either meditate or they use some form of psychedelics, but in a much cooler way. So what happens is that your entire brain gets connected. It like it enters in a state of coherence, and this only Happens after a couple of sips.

Okay, so do I need, let's say I want to use or make coherent water. Do I need like lightning and precious metals? Or how do you actually take this data and this water and make this like a consumer friendly available form of water?

This is it. What we do is when we create the mother water, since water always picks up the most dominant frequency of its environment, our whole quest was to create the most dominant positive frequency water there is. That's why we created the mother water. What we did then, we put the mother water in a crystal vial. A crystal actually serves as a superconductor. It allows the frequency of mother water to pass through without any loss. And of course, the second purpose is that it creates the barrier between the rest of the water and the mother water within. So you just take the wand, you swirl through the glass of water, and any H2O molecule, chaotic H2O molecule that comes into close proximity to the mother water starts to mimic its exact structure.

Do you have this wand with you? Can you hold it up?

So this is it. This is the wand and the mother water is inside. And since water always picks up the most dominant frequency or its environment, when you submerge it in the water and when you start swirling, any H2O molecule that comes in close proximity to it starts to mimic its exact structure. And in an effect, after just 30 seconds of swirling, you get a glass of muddled water.

30 seconds.

Okay, 30 seconds. Yes. It depends of course on the. If we're just talking about 2db glass, then it's 30 seconds. If it's a larger quantity of water, you have to swirl longer.

Okay. Okay, got it. So a few questions. I got a lot of logistical questions about this. This is very interesting. What happens if I take that wand and I like, I'll leave it next to my Wi Fi router or something like that, or some form of EMF. So we were talking about EMFs earlier. I'm just curious if that will ruin the wand, change the information in the water. So what happens if it gets exposed to something like that?

It's so great that you asked this question because we realized that water goes into deeper chaos when you leave it next to WI fi router. So all the EMFs, all 5G had actually really detrimental effect on water or.

Death metal or people with vampire energy.

I know it sounds woo woo, but I have seen some of those studies on water and you can kind of change the structure of water based on the negative or positive emotions or frequencies that you get it exposed to totally.

Water really responds to all of those frequencies. So what happens with Alemo water? We actually did various tests on it and we radiated water with 5G mother water and it never lost its structure. So the key element here is that we actually did studies on plants where we watered plants with 5G, radiated water and the plants died. And we treated the same water, the same rated water with the wand, and we watered the plant again and the plant thrived.

That's crazy. So it could take water that's actually non coherent, non structured, whatever, and actually change the nature of the water.

Exactly. And not only that, what we actually did, we did a study on people. We actually took people using cell phones for three minutes and we monitored their brainwaves. And this is something that people usually don't know. But.

Cell phones have really detrimental effect on the state of our brainwaves. And anybody can test it in any moment. It's very clear. You can see the brainwave patterns before and after. And what we did is then gave regular water to some people after they used the Cell phone for 3 minutes and NLM water to the other ones. And we saw exactly the same phenomenon as with the twin study. So people who drank NLM water, their brainwave patterns immediately harm, while the people that drank regular water, this, let's say chaotic incoherent pattern of brain waves, persisted much, much, much, much longer.

Do you have any hypothesis as to why that's happening?

As I mentioned, this water is a electromagnetic phenomenon and there are natural life affirming frequencies and there are unnatural frequencies. And this water brings every biological system back into harmony, electromagnetic harmony. And this is actually a perfect moment to share one of our results of early studies that we did which really proved that something extraordinary from the biological point of view happens here. We actually took seeds, which are these tiny pieces of life.

And we watered some with regular water and some with NLM water. And we monitored biophoton emissions to see whether something would happen. And seeds that were watered with regular water, we didn't see no change. But the seeds that were watered with NLM water, we started seeing these sinusoidal shapes, peaks and valleys of biophoton emission. It looked like it started to breathe light, but in a very long form, and it was really peculiar. We actually connected to other scientists because we couldn't figure out what was happening there. And after a while we realized that it started to follow the tides.

So NLM of water connected this tiny piece of life to its larger, to the circadian rhythm of the earth. It connected this tiny piece of life to its larger electromagnetic environment. That's why I'm saying that there are natural frequencies of life which are life affirming and then there are unnatural or made made frequencies which interfere with natural cycles.

That's fascinating. I can't really explain how that works, but that's fascinating.

We couldn't really explain it. We just witnessed it every single time. And it really showed us that there is something really, really important there. This was early on. So that's why we invested so much into science behind it. Because we knew that if you expose a biological system to this water, it really profoundly changes.

Yeah, so. So the one thing is interesting, like why couldn't you. Because I'm lazy. Like I don't like to stir everything. Why couldn't you make like a, you know, like one of those British style pitchers and just put like a glass cylinder down the middle of it that has the coherent water in it so then you just fill up your whole water pitcher and then pour the water out to have your water. Does that make sense?

Yes. And this is exactly what will be coming up very soon. We, you know, we, we came up with the wand first and we didn't want to wait, you know, since this is 15 years in the making. We just, we didn't want to come out before we had more than solid evidence that this thing really has profound effect on people, animals and plants and the environment. We're going to touch that. So this was our first thing that we came up with. We are very soon going to be coming out with state of the art filtration system.

Which is going to be really amazing and is going to make the water coherent. So it's going to be the ultimate water treatment system.

That's what I wanted to ask you. Because this doesn't filter the water, right? Because you even sent me, I haven't installed it yet, but you sent me like an inline system for the plumbing in my house. I'm assuming that the water is passing through that and passing through a wand, almost similar to the pitcher idea that I just described. But that's not actually filtering water, right?

No, it's not. But this is what I mentioned earlier. People usually talk about filtration. Even if you take the toxin out, the frequency of it is still there. And once you electromagnetically change the water, even if it's tap water, your body is going to work much, much, much better with it because it is changed, it is more harmonic. And even though the toxin is there, your body will work with it. In a much, much, much better way.

Yeah. So this inline system for the house, this device that you can put in the pipe in your house, this would theoretically make any of the water I'm drinking in my house. I'll install it. So it goes through that after it passes through my. My carbon block filtration system. So right now my water setup is I've got a whole house carbon block filtration system and then that passes through a structured watering device, and then I'll have it pass through this coherent pipe afterwards. But this would mean I could like take a bath in coherent water. Right.

That's so lovely that you mentioned this. I mean, I haven't actually even covered the double bind placebo control studies that we did on people drinking the water. But let's jump in directly there. When we created this whole house unit, our whole thing was we hypothesized since 99% of our molecules of water were basically water, what would happen? And since water always picks up the most dominant frequency of its environment, we were thinking, what would happen if people will lay down in analemma water for half an hour?

When you say lay down in it, you make it sound like it's a mud puddle. You mean like take a bath in it?

Just taking a bath? Yeah, just taking a bath. Nothing more. You just take, you know, just chill out in your bathtub for half an hour. So I connected to my dear friend David Perez and Dr. Greg Lane. So since he had Dr. Greg Lane and he had this equipment that can measure, very accurately measure various vitals, we wanted to do a study and we did 100 people study where we measured cardiac output, stroke volume, blood viscosity, and heart rate variability with people before and after they were taking a bath for half an hour. And we saw in every single person in the study, we saw pretty dramatic improvement in cardiac output, stroke volume, blood viscosity, but more importantly, heart rate. Very literally, the minimum improvement in heart rate variability we saw was 30%.

Wow, that's fascinating. So you actually get some kind of like a transdermal absorption.

Exactly. Yeah. But again, this water is an electromagnetic phenomenon. Again, so it happens on, I would say, more than several levels. It's not just through absorbing the water. It's you. We are, you know, Nikola Tesla said, like one of the, I would say, one of the greatest scientists of all time, he said, if you want to know the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration. And water is broadband absorber, receiver and transmitter of energy, frequency and vibration is therefore at the very heart of it. So we are vibrational beings and when you take a bath in high frequency water, your entire system responds well, I'm.

Going to try it. I haven't put that filter on yet, but I'm definitely going to try it. You mentioned that you guys did more human double blinded controlled trials. I'm assuming this was beyond the twins study that you talked about with drinking it.

Yeah, this twin study was at the very beginning. So since we saw this huge uprising vitality in plants, we wanted to see what kind of study can we do that's going to measure energy levels in humans. And that's why we decided to do ATP studies. Adenosine triphosphate, which is the primary energy currency of the cell. It's directly responsible for powering the majority of cellular processes inside of our body, including muscle contraction, nerve impulse transmission, biochemical reactions. Basically every heartbeat.

Every breath depends on ATP. And there are so many implications of having high ATP levels. So we decided to do a double blind placebo controlled study. We're going to measure ATP levels in humans. We employed luciferase, which is an enzyme that catalyzes light production and bioluminescent organisms. And due to its extraordinary sensitivity, you can very accurately measure ATP levels in humans.

We took a snapshot of ATP levels in participants of the study. Then they drank a liter and a half of N lemon water per day without changing anything else in the world. So they didn't change their exercise regime, they didn't change their diet. Everything else stayed the same. Except the only thing they changed is that they drank liter and a half of LM water per day. After two months, we took another snapshot to see whether something changed. And what we saw was 20% rise in overall mitochondrial energy of the body over the placebo. When you calculate the placebo in, that's almost one third. And we're not talking about here about Red Bull energy, we're talking about actual mitochondrial energy of the body. You know, and scientists now, now agree that one of the key causes of cellular aging is the decline in mitochondrial function. And we proved that just by drinking the water with no change whatsoever, your entire mitochondrial function increases more than significantly.

That's big. That's actually really incredible.

You talk about how you're using this in water. You know, you stir for 30 seconds in water, or maybe you use this, this whole house device and take a bath in it or whatever, I guess drink the water from your tap if it's going through that. But what would happen if I stir an old Fashioned with it? Like does the alcohol or other components in water, let's say coffee, tea, et cetera, will it work on other liquids?

Anything. This is the thing. If the liquid has H2O molecules, they will form this beautiful liquid crystalline state. It will enter into this very beautiful liquid crystalline state. And when you drink teas, coffees, you can bring wine into cocaine. This is really interesting.

Nothing to do with wine. My wife's going to like to know that.

Yeah, and not only that, we actually brought sommeliers that were actually testing. So it changes the taste, it improves the taste of wine. So we can, we even kind of, we were laughing about it. We can take cheap wine and turn it into expensive one just because the taste profile changes dramatically.

Yeah, that's an upgrade on the old Tim Ferriss four hour body latte frother in your wine trick, which also works, by the way, folks, rapidly aerates a glass of wine and upgrades the flavor dramatically, the temperature. How about that? What if the liquid is warm, cold? Will this thing withstand heat? Like if I stir a hot cup of coffee?

Well, you can, but we always say since this is a very delicate crystal, we don't want to put it in a too hot of a liquid, otherwise it might break. So we say warm, no worries. Cold, no worries. But not boiling water. So if it stands there, we always say, when you're making your coffee or your tea, make the water coherent before you boil it.

Okay, got it. I'm curious for you, are you using this in every glass of water that you drink during the day? And I asked that because, you know, I've interviewed guys like Tyler Lebaron and Alex Tarnava who are hydrogen water experts and they recommend diurnal dosing like you do a glass of hydrogen water in the morning and in the evening. But not all the water has to have hydrogen added to it. Are you seeing any type of dose response effect? Meaning like the more water that you make coherent, the better the effects that you get?

Well, I'm kind of always relying on hardcore science, so we haven't done studies on that. We always had people drinking liter and a half of NLM water per day. But me personally, I only drink NLM water. I don't drink any other. All of my water is coherent.

Do you use the filter? You just stir everything with the one?

What I do is I actually buy a natural spring watering glass and then I make it coherent.

What if you just buy, let's say I owned or bought four of those wands and I go and fill up a bunch of. Let's say glass carboys with natural spring water, which is a great way to get water, especially if you can't filter your water. And I just leave them in there, just let them float in there. And I'm careful when I pour out the water so it doesn't break.

It will work. It will do its job. We already tested that, but it's just a matter of time. So if you just put the wand in or you're swirling. I mean, some people have even done. They've kind of used the wand in the bathtub, and they did it for 20 minutes, and then they bring water, incoherent state, and then. And they take a bath in it.

They stir the water for 20 minutes. That's ridiculous.

Yeah. I mean, if you can afford whole house system, then you just install it, and all the water in your house is coherent. But if you can. It's really not that expensive. But of course, you know, if some people can't afford it, I would actually even say that you open the faucet and you put your wand underneath the faucet.

That makes sense. And you could probably just like, hang it with a noose or something if you were lazy.

Exactly. And you're going to get the very same effect as if you're having a whole house system.

Yeah. So the whole house one. I checked your website. I think it's like 1800 bucks. But how does that compare to the wand? How much does one of those wands cost?

Wands cost $180. We were really kind of. We want to make this technology available to basically everyone. And if you take care of it, it's just you need to treat it like a jewel, because if it falls, it will break.

I know I broke a couple. I'm really clumsy. I actually did break a couple.

Yeah. You know, I have a lot of them, of course, but I broke one, and I was super bummed when that happened.

I was, too. It felt like I just had this magical wand and I just. Yeah, I was. I forget how I broke it, but, yeah, I felt bad.

Yeah. So. But the key thing, if you take care of it and if. If you don't break it, it will create coherent water for you for life. So we wanted to keep it. We knew that we could kind of increase the price, like, much. We knew we could price it for $500 or whatever, but we wanted to keep it at a price that most families on the planet can actually afford it.

Yeah. Yeah. So you're into this coherent water thing, Mario. And by the way, if you guys want to check this out? And go check out the wand or the filter and try this for yourself. It's BenGreenfieldLife.com AnnaleMapodcast A N A L E M M A By the way, while I'm saying that, what if somebody gets it and they don't like it? Do you guys have like a send.

Back 100% money back here? If you don't like it, we'll send it back. We have very, very, very few of those. And, and I'm super happy because most of the time people actually experience the change almost instantly. And this is what I love. But, but of course, as I mentioned, the fastest change we saw is in the brain waves. And then everything else happens I haven't even touched on. We did a double blind placebo controlled study on the state of our microbiome.

Oh really?

Yeah, that was. That's a totally cool. We are now actually expanding on this particular study and we're doing DNA sequencing of an entire microbiome. Because science has now pinpointed the exact pathway by which every species of bacteria has an effect on any particular area of health. We're going to have an entire tree of effects. But to come back to the study that we already did, so we did a double blind placebo controlled study on dysbiosis index of the microbiome. So dysbiosis index measures the degree of deviation within the microbiome, taking into account all the bacterial phyla in species and their weighing factor. So again, we had the same thing. We took a snapshot of people's microbiome, then they drank liter and a half of a lemon water per day without changing anything else in the world. And after a couple of months we did another snapshot and we saw 17% improvement on the dysbiosis index. But more importantly, we saw sharp decline in negative bad bacteria. Not negative. All bacteria are good, it just depends on the ratio. And we saw rise in good bacteria. So this inspired us to take this other much larger study that we're doing now where we are really doing a deep dive into the small nuances of the microbiome. And I have to mention, it's a crossover study. So one person's microbiome is going to be doing the placebo and NLM of water. So we can actually, on a single microbiome, see the actual change because microbiome is like a fingerprint. So it's very hard to compare one.

With the other, explain to people the benefits and mechanics of a crossover study.

So crossover Study is in this case, it's a perfect study because one person is going to be placebo controlled and is going to drink NLM water, but in different period of time. So for instance, for a month, person is just going to be drinking regular water without knowing that they're drinking regular water. And we are going to see whether some changes happen in the microbiome. Then we have a flash out state where.

We'Re just waiting for the whole system to clean itself out. Then people are starting to drink analemma water and again, they're not going to know that they're drinking Nilema water. And we are measuring again the effect it has on the microbiome. So this is a very, very accurate and scientific way to see if NLM of water can actually produce a profound change in the microbiome.

Right. With the crossover, you're basically taking a participant or set of participants and doing both sides of the scientific experiment on that group.

Exactly. On the person. So every single person is both the placebo and the real thing.

Yeah, yeah. That's fascinating. I'll be curious to see what the results of that are.

Yeah, yeah. It's actually going to be coming out very soon, I believe with already a month. And we're actually doing a double blind placebo controlled NAD study as well. Since there is a great correlation between ATP and nad, we really want to see how much would NAD levels rise just by drinking. Drinking the water.

Yeah, that'll be interesting. So you're pretty plugged into this stuff. I mean, you ran a natural pharmaceuticals company. You're obviously drinking what many people would consider to be unicorn tier crazy newfangled water. I'm curious, what else are you doing for yourself to stay healthy? Do you follow any type of special diet or exercise or do you have any specific biohacking protocols or stacks that you use?

You know, coming from the whole health and wellness thing, I use many things, but this is what I love about water because.

You have to do it anyhow and it treats so many things. But to answer your question, I believe that one of the most impactful things a person can do to.

Remain healthy is meditation.

This is something that I really do regularly when you enter into and I believe that this water helps tremendously there.

I was going to say, do you drink the coherent water beforehand to shift your brain into that delta coherence you're talking about?

Well, since I drink this water only this kind of water, it actually has a prolonged effect. So I'm not drinking any other. But it's not like I'm. I'm doing it with intention to drink before. But what I can say is.

When you meditate, when you connect to yourself in a meaningful way, you actually get very sensitive to your personal energies, whatever happens within you, and it doesn't stop there. You actually get connected to your electromagnetic environment. You can actually sense what's happening around you.

This makes you very intuitive and I would say that it makes you kind. It makes you.

It deepens your experience of life. Yeah.

Well, what's meditation look like for you?

I do breathing exercises in very particular way. And then I just.

This breathing allows me to enter into a state where there are very little thoughts. But it's more than that actually. It energizes every single cell in my body. For me, it's very visceral, very.

Palpable experience where every single part of my body starts to tingle. And then if I really go deep enough, then there is this sense of bliss that starts to come out of me. And I really love that.

Wow. How long does that take?

Well, it depends. Day to day, it depends where I am in the moment. Sometimes it takes 1 minute, 2 minutes, sometimes it takes a bit longer and sometimes it doesn't happen that way, but it doesn't really matter. What I believe is when you anchor yourself in that particular practice, when you anchor yourself in sensing this energy of who you are at the deepest level, then it becomes easy. It's like you're never leaving it. You're always connected to it. Then you just immerse yourself in it and you step out and then you again immerse yourself in and you step out. So it's like a dance that you're doing entire day. You never leave it completely, so you're always feeling it in the background of your life experience.

That's interesting. You know, I meditate every day too. Remember your quote about Nikola Tesla and how to understand the universe, you must think of everything in terms of energy, vibration and frequency.

Yes.

If I had to modify that statement, I would also say. Well, I would say light, sound, vibration and frequency. Just. Even though light and sound are technically energy, I meditate every day, but every time I meditate I use light, sound, electricity and vibration. And it gets me so deep and it is so profound. I usually do it at about 4:30 in the morning or after lunch. At about 2:30pm in the afternoon. I use at home a Shiftwave chair which vibrates my entire body. I use a Roxival lamp which delivers light to my eyes through closed lids. I use over ear headphones that play binaural beats and other frequencies. And then I use pulsed electromagnetic field frequencies on top of of the vibration. And when I travel I do the same thing. But I have portable devices. I have an Apollo for the vibration, I have a HAP B for the magnetic stimulation. I have a VISOR for the light sound stimulation. It's called the neurovisor. And if you're listening and you're interested in the tippy top scale of total biohacked meditation that shifts you into a state within like 30 seconds flat using light, sound, vibration and electricity paired with meditation is absolutely incredible. It's one of the favorite parts of my very early morning hours or my afternoon. And that's obviously kind of fringe, but oh my goodness, it's the best stack ever.

I love it. I'm definitely going to try it out. Just listening about it kind of got me thinking about the potential.

It's very similar to taking a heroic dose of psilocybin, but having absolutely no drugs in your system finishing the session. And for me it's usually anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes long and then the entire rest of the day is incredible. And you've obviously not go you don't have any drugs in your system, you don't have any neurotransmitters to replenish. But I'm all for natural living and sitting outside in your backyard doing some form of mindfulness meditation. But man, once you start to introduce technologies, it's crazy the rapid shifts you can produce in the brain.

Love it. And I love that you're doing it at 4:30. It's like it's the God hour I would call it.

Your theta wave signaling is through the roof at that time.

Totally. And the whole experience is much, much, much more intense.

This has been absolutely fascinating. I'm going to put a link in the show notes to the Onilemma devices and if you're curious about them, you can of course leave your questions and your comments and your feedback there. The little wands obviously the easiest way to get started and I'll be keeping my eyes on Alema for things like bottles and pitchers, because I think there's all sorts of places that could be added to this category. But the show notes, along with some discounts for you on these wands and on Lemma devices, including the whole house system, are at BenGreenfieldLife.com analemmapodcast it's a n a l e m m a BenGreenfieldLife.com onalema podcast Mario dude, this was super interesting.

Thank you so much, Ben. Thank you so much for having me. I really wanted to come in your podcast. You're the institution of biohacking and I'm a super big fan. And thank you for the tip. I definitely want to try it out. I really would like to experience this whole meditation thing. I've been meditating for 25 years, so I'm always on the lookout of finding way to really deepen the experience. So thank you.

The at home setup's pretty expensive, but what I use for that is for the vibration. I use a chair called the shiftwave chair for the light. I use the Roxiva lamp for the pemf. I just put a device in my lap called a halo. H E H A E L o. And then the sound just varies. Sometimes it's yoga nidra beats, sometimes it's meditation beats. Whatever I play through my phone and when I travel. The devices you would need if you want to do this when traveling are the Apollo wristband, the Visor V I Z R, which are like glasses that you wear that produce the light, the hap b magnetic mat, and then just your phone with some sound. So there's kind of like two different. Two different setups that you can use for travel or for home, but that's kind of the shopping list you need to simulate the experience.

Totally cool.

Totally cool.

Thank you so much for that, brother.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right, folks, well, thanks for listening in. Go to BenGreenfieldLife.com Onalema Podcast, a link to everything that we talked about, even the meditation stacks. And until next time, have an incredible week. Do you want free access to comprehensive show notes? My weekly roundup newsletter, cutting edge research and articles, top recommendations from me for everything that you need to hack your life and a whole lot more. Check out BenGreenfieldLife.com it's all there. BenGreenfieldLife.com See you over there. Most of you who listen to don't subscribe, like or rate this show. If you're one of those people who do, then huge thank you. But here's why it's important to subscribe like and or rate this show. If you do that, that means we get more eyeballs, we get higher rankings, and the bigger the Ben Greenfield live show gets, the bigger and better the guests get and the better the content I'm able to deliver to you. So hit subscribe, leave a ranking, leave a review. If you got a little extra time, it means way more than you might think. Thank you so much.