Detoxing Your Mindset: Spartan World Championship Exclusive

Hey, what's up? It's Ben Greenfield, and this is a bit out of the ordinary, but I happen to be sitting here with my trusty podcast sidekick, Brock. Jason Skywalker Armstrong. Brock, how you doing?

I'm doing well. Hello. Hello, everyone.

And you could get sick of that lulling Canadian accent over the next few days. Pshaw, pshaw. Because Brock and myself, to a certain extent, but Brock to a much greater extent, we are going to be bringing you some amazing interviews over the next several days because we are at Spartan World Championships.

So here's what to expect. First, if you're not an obstacle course junkie or an athlete, don't worry. We are right now here surrounded by some of the top fitness, health, biohacking, nutrition, and even personal productivity and lifestyle minds on the face of the planet, who Spartan CEO Joe Decenta has flown in to be here. And Brock and I have decided to get the microphone in front of them and take a deep dive with them into their top secrets that we can deliver to you. And we're also, of course, since we are surrounded by some of the fittest people on the face of the planet here, we're going to be interviewing some of the most hardcore men and women that exist when it comes to their insider training tactics, their nutrition secrets, their recovery hacks, and a whole lot more. So basically, you are going to be getting lots of podcasts over the next few days. Don't worry if you don't have time to listen to them. You can save them. And I believe these. There's even a handy save function in Apple podcasts. You don't even most podcasting apps save them for later. The next time you're bored on a drive or you have a few extra gym sessions or you're out on a long hike, you can basically listen into a lot of these extra episodes we're gonna be pushing out over the next few days.

You can bathe in them even.

You can bathe in them. Literally, like a float tank or Epsom salts. Yes. So we are, in addition to a bunch of podcasts, you're going to get right here on the podcast feed, doing a bunch of short videos, video and audio interviews over on the Facebook page. And if you don't know the Facebook page URL it is Brock, take it away.

Facebook.com BG Fitness so go to facebook.com.

BG Fitness if you want extra photos, amazing, entertaining and educational content for you in addition to what we're giving you right here on the podcast.

I call it Edutainment.

Edutainment did you make that up?

No.

Okay. Now, we may not have our usual show notes. I'm gonna warn you.

Yeah.

But because I'm illiterate, Brock is illiterate and dyslexic and listen and Canadian. And frankly, we're going to be so busy interviewing people, we're probably not going to have a lot of time to sit down and make for you show notes. But we will make for you plenty of extremely helpful content. And we promise mad value if you just listen in the next few days. Again, we're not going to bore you with the whole hum. I eat Red Bull and Snickers before the race and my top recovery tactic is compression socks.

Nor are we going to bore you with a long intro than we've already done.

No. This is getting a little bit long in the tooth. So I will be racing. And I will be not only racing, but likely out there leading other racers through the course after I've done the race myself. So you're going to need to get used to Brock's Canadian voice and his beautiful shaven ballerina legs.

You betcha.

Which you actually can't see on an audio podcast, but I can vouch that.

They are quite beautiful.

He'll be the voice you're listening to and seeing if you're on Facebook all weekend as we make you a part of what is widely considered to be the super bowl of obstacle course racing and is the crown race to discover who the fittest person on the face of the planet actually is. Spartan World Championships, unless you're a CrossFitter.

In which case it would be the CrossFit Games.

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Welcome back to the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast, everybody. And of course you can tell by my voice I am not Ben. I am Brock. This is Brock Armstrong and the the co host from the Q and A episodes. If you don't recognize the name or the voice and we are here, well, I'm here live. Ben is off doing press conferences or something probably now. He's awake by now. When I left he was still asleep. But that was at 5:30 this morning. It's been an early morning here at Lake Tahoe at The Spartan Up Podfest which is part of the 2017 Spartan Race World Championships where there's so many people. I had no idea. There's so many international racers, there's so many national racers, there's so many people here competing for the Spartan Race World Championships this weekend. And it's pretty cool. It's only, what is it, 9am and people are running around with huge smiles on their faces, having a lovely time and one of the people that is running around with a big smile on her face is my guest, Shanna. And you know what, I'm just going to let you tell the people what you do and why you're here and then we'll jump into some interesting stuff. But let us know why we should be listening to you.

Perfect. Well, I'm really excited to be here. It's a little chilly, right? My fingers are frozen.

I'm from Canada so I'm wearing shorts. I don't know if you noticed.

I did notice. I'm from San Diego, so yeah, the total opposite. But yeah, My name is Shana Mota and I do a lot of stuff.

All right, awesome. That bodes well.

But to focus on, I'm a holistic nutritionist and a yoga teacher. I also teach meditation so I do wellness retreats and online detox programs and I've also partnered with Organifi.

Wait, online detox? So is it like the, the detox program happens online or are you detoxing from being online? And I'm, I don't. I'm sorry to sound like I'm joking, but I'm not because that is a thing, right?

Yeah. So the detox program is run online.

Okay.

It's a 30 day mind body detox. So food, mindset, all that good stuff.

Mindset, Detox.

Oh yeah.

Nice.

Getting rid of all the negative thoughts.

I thought, tell me more.

So with my yoga teacher training, one of the things I really focus on is mindset. Because even if you're eating a really healthy diet, if your mind is not healthy and you're not putting positive, uplifting thoughts into it, then it can be just as toxic as eating McDonald's.

Yeah, I'd venture to say more toxic or more toxic.

Yes. So I like to focus on the mindset component as well because I find that with the mindset component, it creates longer lasting results with the food and that part of it.

Yeah, well, especially if you tie them together. So if you're having good healthy, not necessarily just positive, because that sort of seems like you're putting a bit of a, like a false spin on it. But having healthy thoughts and that gets associated with the food, I can see how, how those just sort of play together. Like when you're doing one, the other pops up is that. Am I?

Exactly that. And it's not like, it's not just putting like being positive and smiling and putting on a false, you know, a mask. It's really about. We talk through things, issues that people are coming up with in their lives that they're facing and learning how to shift the mindset around it. So it might be something tragic or some, a challenge that you're facing, but you can always shift it to learn the lesson and grow from every experience.

I think that is, that's really important. People talk about the, like being positive and positivity. And you scroll through Facebook or Instagram even worse any given time and you'll see like pictures and pictures of sunsets and kitties and stuff hanging in these positive sort of phrases and stuff. And yeah, those are really nice and can sometimes resonate with you, but you can't lie to yourself at a certain point. You can't tell yourself that you're being positive or that everything's okay when it's not. So. So how do you get into that mindset? How do you. How do you find a way to not lie to yourself but still encourage that positive?

Yeah. So one of the things with my message and everything I do put on social media, I do have a lot of sunset photos. I have a lot of smiling pictures.

I wasn't raging against the sunsets.

However, in the captions, I talk about what's real and I think, you know, leading with authenticity is the way to go. So I talk about the difficulties I've been through. I talk about the struggles with myself and my clients. I'm Very open about that. And being vulnerable encourages other people to be vulnerable. So vulnerability breeds vulnerability. And the more that we can open up and accept everything, that it's a part of us, the good, the bad, the dark, the darkness, the hard times, it's all contributed to creating the person that we are today. And so it's really looking at everything with gratitude and saying, thank you. You know, thank you for giving me this lesson. Thank you for teaching me this.

Yeah. I had a thought while you were. While you were talking about that. The. There's a fine line between.

When you're. When you're really open with yourself and you. And you're sort of interacting with people and.

Revealing your personal struggles. Do you find that there's a. You almost start to. Or there's a danger of defining yourself by your struggles rather than. And I guess maybe I'll explain this a little bit better and I'll start over again.

If somebody walks through life saying, I'm an anxious person or I am. I'm often a depressed person, you start to believe it's your own self talk that becomes the story that you're telling yourself and that you're telling the world. So how do you get around that while you're still being authentic and open with your. With your clients?

Yeah. So it's not about identifying with that and having that issue, that trait, or that experience. I create your identity. It's. This is a part of me, and this is something that I went through. And then here is what has come out of it. So I was anxious, and now I've learned through meditation, through yoga, through all of the tools and modalities, I've learned to control that anxiety with my breath. And now I stand in my power, and I'm a strong person. So it's again, that mindset shift.

So it's an aspect of you. It's not you, or it's something that you have experienced, not something that you're defined by.

Exactly.

I think that is. That's a really powerful message. And. And for those of you who are listening, if you. If you noticed us both sort of getting a little bit distracted, it's because Ben Greenfield just walked into his own podcast. So I'm gonna scooch over a little bit and let him take over.

I've decided to crash my own podcast and say hello to Shanna from Organifi.

Hi, Ben.

How you guys doing?

So good to see you.

Awesome.

Amazing. Cool.

How are you? How's the training going?

I am well. I just crawled out of the out of the Lake Tahoe pool where I was swimming with my boys and realizing that, what are we at 8,000ft?

A little bit of oxygen sucking going on. So anyways, though, this is. It's very lively here at the village. There's like Internet, like outside. There's an entire contingent of Spartan athletes from Japan.

Yeah, I saw the Brazil crew, too. All the international.

I just interviewed a competitor from Belgrade, Serbia, and a guy from Italy.

Yeah, yeah.

And you know what?

What I've been most impressed with and sorry to completely derail whatever you guys.

Were just podcasting about, just really profound things.

I've been impressed that as I walk around, it's like, it's very healthy here. There's like bone broth booths. And, you know, I just swung by the executive meeting where all the CEOs are meeting, and it's sponsored by no Foods, which is like an almond flour. I just had a donut dipped in coffee made out of like, you know, all organic gluten free baked material. So, yeah, I mean, Spartan's kind of. Kind of. You know, when I used to hang out a lot of these Ironman triathlon expos back in the day, it was all Gatorade and power bar. And this is actually kind of, kind of refreshingly nice to see a lot of. A lot of healthy, kind of.

I guess I'll give it the Ben Greenfield thumbs up on at least the nutrition I'm seeing around here.

Is there an organifi booth? Is there a green juice booth?

We don't have a booth here. I'm the representative.

Well, I brought a little bit of the red juice powder, so did I get my beats on?

Yeah. And you know, the cordyceps helps to increase ATP, so it's going to be good for endurance. So you should probably take a. Cordyceps.

Is actually one of the things you don't hear about these Sherpas that guide people up Mount Everest. A lot of them will use these adaptogenic herbs and shrooms. Like cordyceps. Yeah, technically a fungi, not a shroom.

I believe I love shrooms.

Yeah, I love shrooms too.

I know you do.

That's right. Just. Just don't do the race on magic mushrooms. I do know of one person here who will be racing on magic.

I think I know who that person is, probably.

All right, I'll let you guys take it away. It could be you. Yeah, unknowingly, I'm slipping them into your coffee tomorrow morning. All right, you guys, I'll let you get back to the magic.

You Were making.

It was magic.

All right, cool.

Thanks, Ben.

Alright, you guys have fun.

Now, where were we?

No, I think we, I think we had tied up that. That topic. And I totally derailed your introduction of yourself too because I got so excited about the idea of a mindset Detox or a mind online Detox. Mind detox. I don't know what's spurred that off, but I mean, as you and Ben were just talking about, you're here representing Organifi. And Organifi is a green and red juice powder. Is that. Are those the two products?

So we have more.

You do now? Those are the two that we talk about on the podcast a lot, but without turning this into a commercial because we know you people out there have heard a lot of stuff and you don't necessarily want to tune into an infomercial, but at the same time, I think it's important that we, that we just sort of talk about what you're doing because like Ben said, there's some really interesting and healthy stuff happening around here this weekend.

Yeah, absolutely. So organifi, I'm sure you guys, if you guys are listening, you've heard the.

Ads, probably heard us talk about the green and the red juice. And we make fun of the fact that those are not very inventive names.

They're not. They're actually straight to the point.

They really are.

A two year old could identify it.

And I guess that's a good thing.

It's been working so far, I guess. Okay, but so I would call Organifi. It's a superfood supplement line and our staple product was obviously the green juice, the green juice powder.

Everybody loves green juice.

They do. And I know Ben does. We just launched the red juice this year, which is super exciting. And then we have.

But you haven't launched it in Canada, so I've never tried it.

We haven't launched. We ship to Canada. Yeah, we're still working, honestly.

So it's my bad that I haven't tried it then. Not yours.

We're still working on the shipping prices though. They can get a little expensive.

Yeah. Anyway. Okay, so red and green.

So red and green. And then we have a plant based protein powder that has digestive enzymes, healthy fats, whole food grade vitamins. So that's exciting too. And then we have a turmeric and a probiotic.

Okay. But everybody makes a protein powder with those things in it. What's different about yours?

This is true, I think I would say the quality and source of our ingredients in any product. It's all organic. We don't use any fillers or any additives. The vitamins come from whole foods versus being synthesized in a lab. So they're actually extracted from whole foods, which is a big thing. It's hard. It's not something we can really promote on the label, but it's something that we know and we talk about.

What is it the FDA is that the organizing body or the body that sort of determines what you can put on your labels?

Yes. Correct.

Okay, so as I understand it, there's only so many and very few claims that you can actually make on your product labels. Is that what you mean when you can't actually point that out?

Yeah.

And even just spacing as far as graphic design, it's really hard to add. You know, there's so much you want to add to tell the customer, but that's what we have, you know, everything else for online and websites and all these interviews so that we can talk about, you know, the quality and sourcing of our ingredients.

Okay, so I derailed you once again. So the protein and then what was the next thing?

Turmeric capsule and a probiotic capsule.

Okay, okay, so turmeric. So you're going for the anti inflammatory properties of turmeric.

Correct. That was the pain point behind creating the product. So all of our products that we create, we survey our audience first to discover what their pain points are, what they're suffering from, and then we create products to solve those problems.

Okay. My mom has pretty bad arthritis in her hands and her back and a little bit in her neck and stuff. So she, she got on the turmeric bandwagon and she tried one of the, the capsules for a while. It was pretty expensive. So now she just takes like a, like the root and she just sort of grates it up on her food. Is that better? Is that worse? Like, how does that compare to what you guys are doing? Like, why wouldn't you just buy some, some, some of the root and just grind it up on your food?

Right. So the, ours is full spectrum of turmeric and we add the black pepper. Have you heard of the black.

Yeah, well, actually I've heard of that in conjunction with cannabis.

There you go. So the black pepper just enhances the benefits. I think it's like times four or something. Four or five just enhances the benefit. So my mom, same thing.

Our moms are so smart.

She's been taking the turmeric capsules and she says it doesn't 100% alleviate the pain, but it Dulls it enough that she can. Because she works on. She's a writer, she's always on the computer. It dulls it enough that she can actually work without pain.

And that's important.

So that's important.

That's good. Cool. Okay. Well, now I know there's a bazillion ingredients in the organifi, but most of the ingredients in there are pretty run of the mill, pretty normal. And. And we're not gonna really get into those, but I know there's a few in there that our listeners may not have actually heard about or know much about. And we're gonna. So we're gonna circumvent all the. The stuff that you guys, all you smart cookies out there listening already know. But what. So what are these ingredients that. That really sets organifi apart? And. And we're going to stop making this sound like a commercial. I'm doing a terrible job. I keep saying it's not gonna be a commercial, but I'm commercialing like crazy here. Let's screw talking about organifi. Let's talk about some. Some really cool ingredients.

Some really cool ingredients that just happened to be in it.

That just happened to be in this. This product.

And Ben actually did want us to go over some of this stuff. So we're in integrity.

We're following the boss's orders.

So one of the cool things is ashwagandha. Ashwagandha. I know, it's a really cool.

It's a cordycep.

So ashwagandha is actually an adaptogenic herb.

I always get those confused because they tend to be together.

Correct. And we have cordyceps in our other one. That's the other one.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

But ashwagandha is an adaptogenic herb. And what adaptogenic. I'm sure Ben's talked about this, but it basically.

Yeah, I think he talks about it in terms of managing stress.

Yeah. So adaptogenic herbs regulate to your body. So whether you're like, let's say with hypothyroid, Hyper hypothyroid. If it's too high or too low, an adaptogenic herb will balance it to the middle, regardless of where you're at.

How is it so smart?

I don't know. It's amazing.

That's crazy.

So with ashwagandha in particular, it works on the stress hormone cortisol. So whether you're high or low, it can support you. So if you're low, it can support. In giving you more energy and bringing it back up. If you're too high, which. Which, let's be honest, most of us are.

Yeah. I was gonna say I don't think very many of us are too low in cortisol, but it's possible.

So it has shown in clinical studies to reduce cortisol levels, so that balances and manages stress, can support with better sleep. So all the good stuff that that comes with. So it's kind of like meditating.

Taking ashwagandha, that's like the shortcut. Actually, after I said not very many people are low on cortisol, I immediately thought, okay, people with adrenal fatigue.

I was just gonna say that if they're flatlined, I've seen those flatlines.

And I know we've got a lot of listeners out there who have, like, we. We're all that type A personality that drive a little too hard and often dig ourselves into holes. So. So ashwagandha, I'm pretty sure that's actually the main place where Ben has talked about it in the. In the past.

Absolutely. And there's a. This. This is the thing with superfoods. There's like a hundred other benefits as well. But I want to talk a little bit about moringa, because Ben asked me to. Have you heard of moringa?

I am thinking it's not what I think it is because I think I'm thinking of merengue, which is a dance.

Nope, it's not merengue. However it comes.

However, moringa does come from Central America.

Oh, nice.

So the cool.

Where merengue was born, as I. I'm guessing.

So the cool thing about moringa. So moringa is also referenced as the tree of life because again, as a superfood, it has so many benefits, and it has antioxidant, anti inflammatory properties, all these incredible things. But the cool thing for me is. So my mom has lived in Nicaragua for 10 years, and she has a moringa tree in her backyard. And for so many years, before I knew what it was, she's been taking the leaves and making a tea out of it. And over the years, she has hypercholesterolidemia. So her cholesterol has always been above 350.

Just join the club. Yeah.

So it's a familial genetic thing.

So I've got that as well. That's why.

There you go.

Nodding knowingly.

And she refused to take the statin drugs.

Me too.

Yep. So as I got into nutrition and we started. She got into it and started studying how to heal the body with superfoods, plants and all these things. So in the time that she's done this moringa tea, her cholesterol has gone down 100 points. So in one year of doing the moringa tea, every day, so it's down.

She'S just going out into the backyard, picking the leaves and making tea and, like, drying them, crushing them up.

She cooks it into a tea. So she'll boil the leaves in a tea, and then she puts it in the refrigerator, and she'll just have, like, iced moringa tea.

That's awesome. So we all just need to go out and buy a moringa tree. Yeah. Or. Yes, we have to live somewhere. Yeah. Or the product that shall not be named.

The product that sho. So with moringa, it's shown to lower blood sugar, reduce inflammation, obviously balance that cholesterol level.

It reduces arsenic toxicity. Something that came up in the research. Random joint problems, betters, digestion. So it's just these. These singular ingredients have so many benefits that it's incredible to put them all together.

So speaking of things popping up in the research, so when you list these benefits and stuff, how were these determined? Did they find a whole bunch of people that just had a weird cluster of symptoms and then, I don't know, let's give them moringa and see what happens.

Yeah. So all the ingredients that we use, well, most of them have clinical trials on them showing this. So I have not gone in depth into the clinical trials, but usually it's a study where they bring the people in who are experiencing something, they give them moringa, and then they show the results. So kind of a standard study. And, yeah, it's pretty cool.

So it was more likely that, like, somehow historically, they. There were some claims. This tends to be the way things go. Like, thousands of years ago, somebody said, hey, you know what? I feel better, or my. My foot fungus gets better when I put my foot into this. This thing. Yeah, that gets carried on. And then sort of in. In modern science, we're like, hey, I wonder if there's something going on with that foot fungus and that. That muddy thing that they were putting on thousands of years ago. And they either totally debunk it or they actually go, hey, there's something. Something to this. So, yeah, so that's probably.

I would say that they went about it. I would say with. Especially all these. Because a lot of these things in the cordyceps and the reishi, all these. These are ancient ayurvedic healing plants. So it's something that they've been using for years and years. And, like, you said modern science. So, like, the Moringa studies we use came from 2009, and it's 2018, and people still don't really know what Moringa is. So there I think it is that it's a stumble across these things and then.

Yeah. And then they start doing the studies.

I think that is. That's really one of the most important things in my mind is that it's not just something that people are like, oh, you've been. We've been using this for thousands of years. We should keep using it because, I mean, we did some crazy crap to ourselves. I was listening to a podcast the other day where they were talking about erectile dysfunction and sort of the treatments that they've done. Did I just inadvertently label myself as somebody who's having erectile dysfunction? Because I'm not listening to the audio about that. Anyway, they were talking about some of the treatments that they were doing through the ages, and one of the treatments was insane. They took baby alligator hearts, ground them up, and then spread it on the penis to cure erectile dysfunction. Clearly that's not going to work or help anything, but. But I think I just sort of look back at like a lot of the sort of holistic. The pseudo holistic, I guess, or pseudo science that's going on out there is a lot of the time the words. People have been doing this for centuries is used as a way to sell something or try to give it credence or try to try to make us think that, oh, well, it must be right where that's not necessary. Well, it's probably not at all a good reason to use something. If there have been clinical studies that have been done recently or done properly, then, okay, yes, these are things that we should keep using, like ashwagandha.

And that's what we look at when we're selecting ingredients as well.

So we're not going to be having any baby alligator heart paste spread on us at any point?

I don't think so. I don't want to be around if you're doing that.

Can you imagine trying to remove the baby alligator hearts?

But, like, who thinks of, like, where do they even.

Yeah, there's some fascinating. There's a guy named Pliny the Elder from like, oh, man, it's like 5,000 B.C. or something that did. Or maybe not 5,000 B.C. but 500 B.C. or something. He's very interesting guy who basically, like, has this book that cures everything and it's always like the beak of a sparrow and the dung from a owl. And you shove it in your ear or something. It's just. It truly is like we. We really didn't know what we were doing as humans so long ago that we were just totally throwing darts, like. Yeah.

Although the cool thing that we can take from that is showing how everything in nature can. How that can heal us. Right. Like a lot of things, or.

It has the potential.

The potential to. Yes, the potential.

And that's what we had to work with. So that's what we went for. And. And not necessarily didn't always work.

Right.

But our heart was in the right place.

Yeah, I like that. Very cool.

Anyway, okay, so ashwagandha moringa. What's the next one?

I would say cordyceps. Just because. I know. I know Ben's a huge fan of the mushrooms, the fungus, all of that. We've had many conversations about it.

Yes. Yesterday, I think that was the first thing he did when he got off the airplane was put some lion's mane and reishi into his coffee.

Right, Perfect. So that's in our red juice.

All right.

Which is perfect. So mushrooms are actually getting a lot of attention right now. Eugenio four Sigmatic. It's another amazing brand.

I wasn't going to name them just out of respect.

I don't even mind.

I love what Ben was putting in his coffee. And actually I used to do the lion's mane coffee from those guys, but it gives me heart palpitations. It works just a little too well for me.

Well, it's showing the power of it, but I mean, with mushrooms, so cordyceps is also considered an adaptogen.

It's also known as the caterpillar fungus. Does that sound. Why does that sound enticing a little bit?

Well, it sounds cute. I like caterpillars.

Caterpillar fungus. I don't know how to pronounce the actual name, but it has a long history in traditional Chinese and Tibetan medicine. And it grows out of an insect host instead of a plant. So that's interesting. You know, that makes it just sound not appetizing, though. So don't listen to anything I just said. It tastes amazing.

I have no problem with that kind of stuff. Maybe I grew up on a farm. Like, we spent a lot of time in the farm in Saskatchewan. So we ate a lot of weird stuff. Butchered chickens, maybe that's. That doesn't bother me at all. I will eat bugs. Happily. I've eaten worms.

Wonderful.

Hopefully our listeners out there aren't squeamish about that kind of stuff, because really.

Come on, yeah, well, the good thing is when you blend it with other yummy ingredients, it actually tastes good. But cordyceps has been. Have been shown to. It's anti aging, anti inflammatory and anti aging.

That's one of those terms that always make me go, what, what does that mean?

Yeah, with that one, I think it's just, you know, when they have antioxidants, they use that claim anti aging because it's supporting your body and fighting those free radicals that can then prevent or reduce your risk for, you know, cancer and all those other things, which we can't make any claims. So I'm not making any claims here, but. But it's definitely something to know about that. And then the thing I know that Ben finds exciting is that the cordyceps can increase endurance by strengthening ATP production. So taking it before, that's why we said taking it before his spartan race and mushrooms in general can give you that energy boost that you're looking for.

Oh yeah. And ATP, I mean, we can only actually manufacture a certain amount of ATP per day. I think it's like 25 grams or something. I thought 25 milligrams. I can't remember the measurement. But. But there's only a finite amount or a certain amount that our body manufactures on a regular basis. So does it increase your body's ability to actually manufacture beyond what it normally would?

Correct, yeah. Okay, so it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, it's really cool. And then one of the studies that I saw in our research was they had rats who were swimming and they gave them cordyceps and it showed. I know, I just picked these little guys going, but it.

Little water wings.

Yeah. So not only did it, they fatigued slower when swimming, they were able to swim longer and their biomarkers for stress were reduced, which is interesting.

So they're having more fun when they were swimming too. And that's what we want, our little happy rats.

So that's what we're sending Ben out tomorrow. A little happy Ben running on his mushrooms.

Yeah, that was a whole different scenario playing out in my head there for a second.

And then of course, there's a lot of studies with cancer and I know I don't like to dive too deeply into those because it's a touchy subject.

But.

But just know that there have been amazing studies done in those anti cancer or even treating cancer with. With all these mushrooms, the reishi, the cordyceps and all of that. So it's pretty fascinating research.

And is that was that. I know we both agreed that we shouldn't go far into this, but I just want to go a little bit far into it. Is that like. Is it actually. Are they monitoring the cancer cells when. When that's being applied? So they're actually looking specifically at the cell and seeing what effects it's having on that. That cell that's growing out of control.

Correct. So the reversal of that or the reduction of that, it's really fascinating. Again, I don't think we should get into that. No, especially as a brand. I mean, as a brand, we can't. But I encourage people to start doing their own research and looking at some of the studies that are being done. It's definitely too early in the. In the history of it to make any claims, but it's pretty powerful stuff. These little mushrooms.

Cool. Okay, so those are our.

Those are the ones. I mean, I'm sure you guys have already talked about turmeric, so that's a good one.

Yeah, we did a little bit with our moms being so smart and taking that stuff and. Yeah, well, that's really cool.

Before we wrap up because my. Oh, my timer stopped at four minutes, so I'm sure we've been talking for longer than four minutes, but I see our kind host keeps peeking in. And I don't know if that means that you're supposed to be moving on to your next one, but. But I want to ask you one question before we move on, and I've got five different questions to pull from. Which one am I going to ask you? I'm going to ask you the. The book. The book question. If you could recommend one book that has really changed your life and changed like your. Maybe how you. How you work. Like your. Your work with organifier, your work with the mindset stuff. Actually, more interesting would be the mindset stuff, I guess. Is there a book that you could recommend to the listeners that would really help them get a leg up on the stuff that we were talking about with the mindset and sort of detoxing your brain.

There's so many coming to mind, actually.

Well, you can pick more than one. I won't nail you. I won't hold you to just the one.

So I'll pick a few.

I'm just. Now I'm blanking on the author, which is why I was gonna look it up, but sure.

Yeah.

The Surrender Experiment.

Surrender Experiment.

Yes. That was a powerful one. The Five Love Languages.

Oh, okay.

I love that one, too. I haven't read that one because relationships. I'm really interested in relationships, too, and communication. With relationships.

And it doesn't. It's not just focusing on, like, relationships in the traditional sense of, like, your partner or your wife or your husband or whatever. It's like relationships like us here. Right. We just met. Well, not for the first time, but we really met properly for the first time earlier today. And it would apply to us.

It would. So the book focuses on romance, like your partner. However, it can be translated to business, to everything. And so a cool thing at our company, actually, we all read or we take the test, the five love languages test, to know everyone's love language, because that's how you know how people receive love.

And does it give you, like, a number score or a color score?

So there's five love languages. So it's words of affirmation, physical touch, quality time, gifts, and what's the fifth one?

Quality time touch, acts of service. Okay, so how. It's all about how we give and receive love. And in any. Every interaction, it applies. So even at work, you know, if. If you want to. If someone needs acknowledgement or they want praise, that could look different. So for one person, maybe it's getting them a gift card and getting them a gift. Some people want that quality time with their boss or the CEO. So it can be. It can translate to really from. To all relationships. And I think it's pretty fascinating, as.

You described that I was like, I think we did that at a company I worked for previously, and we did have that set up, but I honestly completely forgot what mine is. I definitely wasn't the gift.

Yeah, it's not mine either. So mine's asked. But how you give and receive love is also different.

Yes.

So I receive love and acts of service. So my husband, I mean, he does everything, and that's how I know he loves me. He could buy me gifts and I would be appreciative, but that doesn't, like, really resonate deep within me. And then the way I give love is words of affirmation. Yeah. And quality time with people.

I think that sounds like me too.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's a fun one.

All right, well, thank you so much for sitting down with me this morning especially. It was sort of a wacky morning. I think you ended up getting here earlier than you were supposed to, so I'm very appreciative. Grateful. My heart is filled with gratitude. And I also. I have gratitude for the Spartan Race director, Joe decenna, for setting up this pod fest here in Lake TAhoe for the 2017 Spartan Race World Championships. And this weekend is going to be super cool and we've just barely scratched the surface. So I hope you hope you have a great rest of the weekend. Are you going to do some racing?

I'm not racing.

Yeah, me neither.

I'll be cheering.

I'm going to be cheering like crazy. I wish I was racing. I've got some plantar fasciitis that's bugging me.

But, yeah, I'm just lazy. No, I'm a little lazy. Yoga and bar. Spartan race.

A little like bar workout.

Yeah.

Are you a dancer?

You know, I'm not. Look at my body. I'm clearly not a dancer.

I was a. Well, look at my body. I don't look like a dancer anymore, but I was a ballet dancer for a long time, so barre classes are very, very near and dear to my heart.

That is fascinating. I'm glad I just learned that about you.

You have to look at my calves later.

I'm going to right now. Because you have shorts on.

I do, yes. Everybody else is wearing parkas and I'm wearing shorts. All right, thanks for listening, everybody. This is the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast. Signing out without Ben.

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