Is Chiropractic Really Bullsh*t Part 2, Throwing Out Your Cell Phone, Juicing Cannabis & More...

All right, it's Ben Greenfield and this is it, our second episode on whether or not chiropractic medicine is really bull. We also talk about juicing cannabis and throwing out your cell phone. Briefly touch on chemtrails and a lot more with my guest, Billy Demoss of Cal Jam, where I'll actually be speaking in January. January 26th through the 28th, I'll be in Costa Mesa, California speaking at Cal Jam.

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Hey, folks, it's Ben Greenfield. And guess what? Not that I've ever done this, but I decided to jump into controversy yet again and get a guy on the show who was called out during the relatively controversial podcast on chiropractic medicine, on the Joe Rogan Experience, but also a guy who's a real powerhouse in the chiropractic community. He actually is the founder of what's called the Dead Chiropractic society, which is this coalition of southern California chiropractors who meet to discuss things like chiropractic philosophy and advancements. But perhaps even more interesting than that is he's the founder of something called caljam, short for California jam. I've been to Cal jam, and it's basically a bunch of really cool experts in things like public health and global sustainability and. And chiropractic medicine who come from all over the frigging planet to California for this amazing mashup of. It's kind of hard to describe. It's like rock and roll mixed with chiropractic medicine and a health expo and really good food. And it's a very, very interesting. A very, very interesting conference to attend. So my guest today is Dr. Billy DeMoss. Dr. Billy DeMoss. That's D E m O s s and the show notes for today's show, you can also Access over at BenGreenfieldFitness.com DeMoss D E M O s s so, Billy, welcome to the show, ma'. Am.

Hey. I'm honored to be on your show, brother. And I'm honored that you're going to be at Cal jam this year.

Yeah, you actually are. Are making a big mistake by allowing me to. To step up on stage at Cal jam.

Why do you say that?

At least you're not putting a guitar in my hand. You're. You're giving me a microphone to talk.

No, I loved your topic. What was your topic again? I'll let you say it, doctor.

It's gonna be about how when you walk into it, into, well, a doctor's office or chiropractic clinic or anything else, there are a lot of hidden variables that a lot of people don't have dialed in that can damage youryour body and brain. Things like air and light and water and electricity. And I'm gonna jump into the brass tacks when it comes to how to mitigate a lot of those things for everything from hep air filtration to the right kind of water.

I thought you were going to talk about how to look good naked. Wasn't that what you were going to talk about?

Maybe that's what I was going to talk about, and I'm completely messing it up because I don't have what I was going to talk about in front of me.

Yeah, I remember. I thought that was a great top. That's great for my crowd.

Yeah, it could be how to look good naked even though I'm wearing clothes right now. Yeah, I'll wear clothes when I speak at your event too.

I promise.

All right. Yeah, I, you know, I strip every year at the event. I always change out of my suit into my rock and roll, where after I speak. So it's been one of those things that I do every year. You know, I'm going to be 60 and it's like, you know, I actually work out a lot and I'm in better shape now than I've been in my life. So it's just my way, I say if I'm ever out of shape, I won't do it. So it's really, it pushes me to stay in shape. Not that I need that to push to stay in me, keep me in shape.

Having, having to strip every year keeps you in shape. This is true.

Well, it does. If you're going to show off your, your body, you don't want to be, you know, having any love handles or any, what do they call those things when it hangs over the edge?

Muffin tops.

Muffin tops, yeah. There we go. All right. Thank you.

Hey, you, you actually are in pretty good shape. Like if you go to your website, you're, you're pretty jacked, dude. What do you do for your fitness routine?

Well, surfing is the number one thing that I do. I surf literally every day when we have waves, so. And again, you don't see a lot of surfers are out of shape that are riding short. I'm riding a shorter board now than I did when I was 18, so I'm riding a 5, 9 versus back in the day, in the 70s, I used to ride six sevens and stuff, but that was just the size then. And then if there's no waves, I've got a full beach work where I run deep sand. I do pull ups in the lifeguard stands, push ups, I do crunches. I take dumbbells on the beach and do a bunch of dumbbell workouts.

I do squats. And then if I don't have time to run to the beach and then, you know, I'm running barefoot in the sand, grounding at the same time. And then I'll go to the gym periodically to just fill in some loose ends, do Stairmaster and just, I just go in and blast through different exercises and, you know, do basically pace training and some strength training and, and really work on extension. So I'll do a lot of the stuff that I teach my patients in the practice to help reverse all the epidemic of force flection from viewing those cellular phones that everybody uses that I still haven't stepped up. I don't own a cell phone yet. And so I'm kind of a renegade when it comes to. No, dude, I'm the only person you probably know that doesn't have. I just watch all the zombies around me with their heads glued in flexion, staring at that screen and I just don't want to become part of that whole.

Generation.

You're an anomaly, dude. Do you, do you not, do you not ever want to, like, check your email or like, go to Facebook or just use a computer for all that?

I just use a computer. But you know what? Here's the honest truth. I've never done a text message. People don't just text me, man. I go, I don't have a cell phone, bro. I have a phone that's plugged into the wall. And then I've never done an email. So what I have my team do is they. They go through all my email and they only pull out the pertinent ones that I really need to address and they can handle the other ones for me. Or there's usually, I guess a lot of junk email anymore these days. And then they print them out on.

Recycled paper and then I will write an answer, not in pen because that's a little too high tech. I will write it with a number two graphite pencil, the answer, and it'll be a very short, to the point answer. Because I don't type, Ben. That's my biggest drawback, but I think it's one of the biggest blessings. So a lot of times people see.

My post on Facebook and they think.

That, you know, that, you know, I'm not educated. But it's just because I don't type and I like to keep things as concise as possible. So BJ Palmer was good at that. He used to take words like thought and just spell it T H O T. And I do that a lot just to kind of like instigate the trolls a little bit on Facebook and just keep everything in check.

Yeah, that's nuts. I haven't liked the way you say it, dude. You say you've never done a text message.

Never sent one, never composed one, or never done one. That works too. But you actually.

Have. In addition to these exercises that you do, I noticed on your website that you have a whole bunch of these moves I haven't heard of before, like the wobble chair and the dinner roll. And you use like this neck traction device. What are these different exercises that you do? Like, what's the wobble chair?

The wobble chair is really good to kind of reverse. All the. I mean, most people sit these days, and sitting is considered the new smoking. In fact, sitting is actually worse than smoking, in my opinion, on the opinion of a lot of experts, because it just destroys the disc in the lower back. So what that wobble chair does is it puts your spine through all the various ranges of motion, especially your low back, and really helps reinvigorate the disc. And then we have people maximally hydrate, maybe take some collagen. And then right after.

Is it like a chair that you actually sit on? Like, is that the name of the chair?

Yeah, it's a chair. I mean, it's like a $300 chair that it's basically, it's. It's kind of like one of those exercise balls. If you sit and did a range of motion on that, which is just. It's not probably just as good, but it's the same kind of focus. Trying to put the lumbar spine through maximum flexion extension, lateral flexion. Also you do some figure eights. I have them do move obliquely, just trying, because that disc is reliant on not only water, but it also is reliant on mobility. Keep it healthy. And that's why I also like to add collagen to help feed the disc. As we age, we make less collagen, so that's another benefit. And then right after they do the wobble chair, I have them, as long as they have high blood pressure, do some inversion on one of our inversion tables. And they all do. They do this all after they get adjusted. So the adjustments helps liberate the motion between that segment and also helps realign things in the direction that we need it to go. And then I have them do those exercises to help just stop any spinal decay and degeneration. So it's just like you brush and floss and there's things that you do for your teeth to prolong the life of your teeth. If people did have the same intentions with their spine, not only could we prevent some spinal decay in the spine, but if people really understand the real value of chiropractic. Chiropractic is not about pain, even though that's what most people think it's about. Increase the life of the spine. The spine protects the nervous system, which runs everything in the body. We can not only stop the spinal degeneration, but stop premature nerve interference, because as the spine moves less and we get distay, it's going to create a lot of static or interference in the information that flows from the brain through Those nerves to all the various organs, glands, muscles, all the sensory perception that goes on there. So whatever we can do to slow down the aging process of the spine is going to increase lifespan of the individual, in my opinion. Again, where's the research? It's going to be really hard to document that, especially when our profession doesn't have the kind of money that's required to do that kind of research. But there's enough research done by a good friend of mine, Deed Harrison, who does biophysics. So what I do is kind of combination of a lot of different corrective care techniques. I do a lot of Pettibon stuff, I do a lot of biophysics stuff. Then I do some just basic, diversified.

What's Pettibon?

Pettibon is just another corrective care technique. And I just use like the traction units that we use on the wall for the neck.

Oh, is that the one that you can, you can hang yourself by your neck, like cervical neck traction?

Yes. Yeah, right. But at the same time, most people do the, the typical neck traction, but it's pulling the curve out of the neck. So what that padabond traction does is it helps reestablish the normal curve. Like last night I did a post on my Facebook page about, I showed a baby like, you know, the nine month old baby that was, you know, crawling. And I showed how when a baby crawls, it's really developing that cervical curve in the neck. And I told people it's not good to promote your kids to walk too early until they get those curves, those secondary curves in the spine developed, that is in the neck and the low back. Because when the baby's born, the baby's born in a, you know, it's been in a fetal position for nine months. So when the baby starts to crawl, it helps establish that neck curve lordosis in the neck and the lordosis in the low back. And the baby shouldn't try to stand up until those curves are fully developed. The sooner kids start to stand up or if they don't crawl long enough is what I'm trying to say, they don't have proper development, those curves, it's going to leave them more susceptible to scoliosis. And there's also theories that the cross crawl from crawling helps, just really allows the brain to develop more naturally. And I mean, I don't know if it's true or not, but there's one of my teachers, one of my biggest mentors, Fred Bart, said that if kids don't crawl long enough, it's going to lower their iq. So just something to think about. And again, I don't know if that. I just tell people, don't push your kids to try to walk too soon. There's no advantage to it. There's more advantage for the longer.

That's interesting. I've never heard of that. So the reason for that would be because their cervical neck has not progressed far enough to get them to the point where if you force them to walk too early, they'll actually wind up wind up damaging the neck.

Yeah, because we're bipeds, right. And we're the only animal that. Not the only animal, but like, if you take like any other primate, for example, they all. They don't walk as a biped because they haven't developed those curves. So we as bipeds have to have a developed lumbar lordosis and a developed cervical lordosis. And then the thoracic spine goes the opposite direction. So that's going to be a kyphosis. And when those curves are maximally developed, then the spine is going to be stable enough to be able to stand. If it's not stable enough, it's going to have a propensity for instability, which can tend to lead to things like scoliosis and then the cross crawling along our kid cross crawls or crawls. Supposedly that helps develop the brains, you know, so it allows the hemispheres to communicate better. Again, that's probably very theoretical.

Okay.

And it may be, in my opinion, I haven't really done enough research on that. But again, I'm just saying don't push them to walk too soon. There's no advantage to it.

I have one of those Pettibone cervical neck traction devices. And for those of you listening in, I'll put a link to this thing in this wobble chair that Billy's talking about in the show notes. And Billy, dude, one of the things I do in the morning when I walk downstairs and I'm at home is I'll take a foam roller and kind of dig into some of the areas in the back of my neck and I'll put a lot of times like magnesium lotion or something like that on there to relax the muscles first.

I just did my CBD cream on my neck this morning. I do the same thing just to help just loosen things up for me.

Well, what I do is I do that and then I'll hang myself from that neck traction device and you get this awesome pop and like this elongation of the cervical spine. It feels amazing.

Yeah, I mean, that's the Whole thing. Gravity is continually pushing us down towards our dirt naps. So everything that you can do to reverse the gravitational forces of your. That's putting stress and strain on your disc and vertebrae is going to be beneficial in my opinion. Over. You know, as long as you're consistent. It's like brushing your teeth and flossing. I mean, you don't have to do it. You don't have to go to a chiropractor. But those are things that we figured out. Again, if people didn't sit all day and sit on a computer and force flexion and play contact sports and have auto accidents, we wouldn't need chiropractors. You know. But the thing is we've done a lot of things to our spine that the probably the hunter gatherer didn't have to deal hunting and gathering. I mean, obviously there was other things that probably took out the hunter gatherer like starvation and other animals eating them as such we don't have to deal with today. People can just pop over to the 711 and get their breakfast, you know, Diet Coke and a cinnamon roll like science babe would eat and think that would be just a sustainable breakfast, you know. But we'll talk about that in a little bit.

I'm sure, sure we can bring up science babe throwing you under the bus here in a little bit. I actually want to ask you a couple more questions though. This, this wobble chair thing you're talking about, could somebody, if they're listening in, is that something you could just like get for your. For your office to. I mean, can, can you sit and work in that like typing and stuff?

They have a portable one I. For your desk.

Okay.

You know, the thing is, I teach people is like sitting, it's like smoking. I mean there's no way that you can sit and it be healthy for you. So I just like every, everybody in my office here, we all have standing desk.

I mean. Yeah, but did you see the recent, the recent study about how standing is just as bad for you too? Being in any one position all day long is just as bad for you sitting all day long. So the trick is to. And this is what I do. I just basically shift positions all day. Like right now while I'm talking to you, I'm on one of these balance board. This thing's called a fluid stance. And then I've got a call after you and I talk. And during that call I've got this little treadmill workstation next to me and I'll hop up on the treadmill and Then later on, I'll stand and then I'll go upstairs and I'll work at the kitchen table for a while and I'll sit. But I have one of these saddle chairs. Right. It splits your pelvis, so you kind of sit straight up and down. So I just try and be in as many different positions as possible during the day.

Right. Well, the thing is that's. I mean, I. Nobody here really just stands in the same place. We move around a lot, and being chiropractors, we don't. You know, obviously me, I'm bouncing from table to table to table.

Yeah. Periodically, I'm gonna sit down. I'm not saying you can't sit down ever. It's just when you do it eight hours straight a day, and then you've driven to work in traffic for an hour, and you drive home in traffic and then go home and plop yourself on a couch and then get brainwashed by. I don't own a TV either. I don't watch tv. I'm kind of anomaly, bro.

Good for you, dude. Like, I actually respect that. Like, I don't think with my business right now, I could get by that well without a cell phone because it allows me to be so productive when I'm, like, standing in line at the airport and I can, you know, bang out seven emails and, you know, little things like that. But, yeah, I don't. I don't have games on my phone. And I've got a lot of respect for you having. Having resisted the revolution this long.

Yeah, I mean, I look at, you know, in fact, Mercola's speaking at Calzium this year, and one of the things he's talking about is EMF and cell phones and how, you know, I guarantee you there's gonna be a epidemic of brain cancer coming up in the very near future.

Well, what do you think about the new 5G thing? Have you heard about that?

No, I haven't heard about it.

Okay, so basically, this is how I.

Get most of my news.

Yeah.

Like you.

So 5.5G is fast. Like, it's. It's. It's a higher capacity than the current 4G that a lot of these wireless systems will use. But I was reading an article yesterday, it was actually in a pretty good magazine. A lot of people don't know about this magazine. It's just called Paleo Magazine. Really great articles and recipes and stuff like that. But this article goes into. Based on the current government regulations at&t& Verizon and Sprint and any of these cell phone companies they can now put 5G network, I guess it's some kind of like a receiver or something, like on lamp posts and all over neighborhoods. And basically they're planning on spreading 5G across the entire planet in the same way that Google wants to float the balloons up above, I believe, somewhere up above certain cities to just give everybody wireless no matter where they're at in the world. And the millimeter wave of this 5G is the same. It's essentially some folks who are listening. You might call me out, I might be, I might be a little bit mistaken about the actual frequency, but from what I understand, the millimeter wave frequency that this 5G network uses is very similar to the frequency that cops will use when they fire those high frequency devices into crowds to cause confusion and disperse the crowds and cause people's heads to hurt. This is that same type of millimeter frequency that can cause way more neural damage, way more non native EMF than even the current 4G wireless.

Wow. And you'd almost think there was some type of depopulation agenda.

But we won't go down that road. Probably.

Yeah. Actually, you know what? We might as well start, start to delve into some of this, Some of this quackery stuff or some of the stuff that gets you painted. You got called out for being a quack on the, on that Joe Rogan episode. And for those who want to listen to that, I'll link to that.

Well, it was actually before that. There was an article that Science Bay put out that said chiropractors are bullshit. I mean, right there. I mean, again, chiropractic would have never, ever stood the test of time if this didn't work. You know what I'm saying? The reality is, and I mean, I posted about this the other day. It's like I almost. I mean, I don't know, man.

There's a lot of stuff that has stood the test of time that, that's, that's kind of, kind of weird or may not have actual science behind it. So I don't, I don't know if. Isn't that called chronological snobbery to make that argument?

Well, maybe, but I mean, give me a for instance.

Uh, I can't think of anything off the top of my head right now. I'll come back.

Come on now.

Okay. All right, so. So how about.

Okay, well, I'm just talking about from clinical experience and whether it's placebo or not, we get results or people wouldn't come to us, man. I mean, I mean, number one, when people Watch what we do. It's almost like, wow, do I really.

Want to do this?

But the thing is like, I had a guy that came in last week, he was super apprehensive. He said the only reason he was.

Here is because his wife sent him.

And he's been suffering from low back pain for 10 years now. It's gotten so bad that he was contemplating having surgery. And his wife goes, just go give.

Him an adjustment, go get an adjustment. What do you got to lose? One time adjust the dude, he not only felt amazingly better in his low back, but he said his neck moved better than it's moved in years. And this is a guy that at first didn't really even want to be around me. And I was thinking, why do I even want to deal with this dude? He's like so negative. So I said, I'm gonna give this guy. And I laid into him, dude. I was like one of those guys. He's like, he's an MMA guy, he's a real tough guy. I'm not that that's bad or good. I'm just saying, it was just, that's the air, you know, tattoos all buffed out, maybe doing roids. I don't know what he's doing. But he was just one of those guys who was kind of angry in the beginning. And I'm just going, I don't need that dude. I'm like, I didn't practice 33 years. I've been very successful. I don't need people's negative energy. So I lay, kind of lay, I put a little extra little spizza ringtone onto the adjustment there. And the dude was blown away by the effects of the adjustment. And again, whether it's placebo or not, I got the results. And a pain that he's had for 10 years was like 50% ameliorated with just one adjustment. And he signed up yesterday. I mean, he's agreed to come into care somebody that was didn't even want to come in from the results he got from one friggin adjustment as turned 180 degrees. And again in the fact that this dude didn't even want to come and see me. And then I've changed him into a convert with one adjustment. I mean, and whether it's placebo or again, placebo is the biggest healer that we've ever had, but it's not placebo. I know what I do works. I mean, I see visual changes on X rays which are objective. It's not like, you know, I'm just This is esoteric subjective improvement with people. There's objective measurements that we can see not only through thermography, but also through the adjustments and increased range of motion with people.

So talk to me a little bit about that, about this concept of thermography, because I know you do use some, some actual quantification in there, but what is thermography? A lot of people don't know what that is.

Well, we use it two ways. One, I do thermography on the spine. It basically just checks for inflammation and it just gives us an objective measurement of pre and post adjustments to see a reduction in inflammatory responses in paraspinal tissues around where an area might be subluxated or irritated. So we just use that as another measurement to detect areas of irritation in the spine. And then we kind of correlate that with what we. And the biggest thing that I do is I can feel the spine. I can. I mean, like I said, it's like playing the piano. Like you see him like an Elton John or a Jimi Hendrix play guitar. There's. It's. After a while it gets to be such an art that they don't even have the thing. It's same thing when I'm working on a spine. I can feel areas of joint restriction in the spine. I can feel bogginess. I can feel feel muscle spasm, I can feel the swelling, which is the bogginess. And then I can feel joint play restrictions and what I adjust people over a period of time. You'll see all that stuff resolve and you'll see ranges of motion improve. You'll see improvement in structural alignment, especially forward head posture, and loss of lordosis. And then sometimes we can even reinvigorate the disc or invigorate the disc by having them do not only the adjustments, but doing the traction and doing extension exercises and working on core and hydrating and collagen, et cetera, et cetera. And then we see improvements on inclinometry, which is digitized range of motion. We see improvements on thermograms, we see improvements on X rays. And then of course, we get subjective improvements. The thing, the biggest thing I see, and this is what I notice about chiropractic the most, is that we really take a person out of sympathetic overload, fight or flight, and we move them more into parasympathetic and you'll see people's blood pressure improve. The number one thing I hear from almost all my patients on their 12th visit re exam is that they sleep better. You take somebody out of sympathetic and put Them in a parasympathetic, they're going to sleep better, better. They have better digestion and parasympathetic, they have more energy when they digest food better and they get better sleep. They have better thought when you get more sleep. So sleeping to me is one of those things. And I'm not the world's best sleeper because my brain never shuts up and I don't ever shut up. But if somebody's sleeping better, everything in their body works better. And. And then the body, when it's in parasympathetic, goes into a better healing mode. That happens in sympathetic. So I feel that's where chiropractic gets a lot of its benefit, where, you know, that's where our research is headed. With the work that Heidi Havoc's doing, who spoke at Cal Jam last year.

What'S the work that Heidi Havoc is doing?

It's all that. How the adjustments really establish more mobility into the spine.

See what happens when you have restricted range of motion in the spine. It sends this thing called nociceptive, abnormal negative impulse to the brain. And the brain processes that in a negative way and then sends negative. And by normalizing that range of motion, it normalizes those nociceptive impulses and allows the brain to function better, and then it's better, healthier to make. I call it. It's like if you have static. I don't know if you know what static's like when this microphone isn't connected properly or like in the old days when you used to tune a radio, if it wasn't tuned properly, you'd have static. And by tuning up the spine, it increases the level of communication between the brain and the body and the body and the brain. And by adjusting it, remove that static that just creates.

Better homeostasis and moves the body from sympathetic into parasympathetic. That's probably the best way I can describe it.

Do you do other things aside adjustments to move people from. From sympathetic into parasympathetic, like other strategies that you'd use in your clinic?

Of course, my friend, my brother. So what we do is I like to really teach them to be their own doctors. I like to teach them how to think. So they're not dependent on me or any other doctor for that matter. And when people learn how to think, they're going to question things like why they're taking dopamine for the. Or drugs for the rest of their life, whether it's a, you know, high blood pressure medication or sleep aids or thyroid medication. Again, Some people may need that stuff. But again, I try to get people to understand, hey dude and dudette, your body was smart enough to create you from a sperm cell and an egg cell and take those two cells and make 75 friggin trillion cells. And it's been doing it for generation after generation. It knows what the hell it's doing, bro. So it also knows how to heal itself and put itself back in homeostasis. The reason people are sick today, 85 to 95% of the time, depending on who you listen to. If you listen to Bruce Lipton, he says 97.5% people's health problems are because of shitty, hideous lifestyle. People, they're eating just, it's not even food, it's. Most people are eating poison disguised as food.

Yeah, most people know that. I mean most of our listeners know that. You know, when, when you're eating crap food you're not going to feel that well and, and you are listening. You know, I think you're probably, you're probably, yeah, you're probably preaching to the choir when it comes to that. I think, I think most folks are, are aware of that. What I was curious about was, you know, when it comes to like shifting the body into this state of relaxation. Because I go to the chiropractor and yeah, I probably do it once, sometimes twice a month. And a lot of times it's when I'm just hanging out my friend, I have a lot of friends who are chiropractic docs, right? So a lot of times they're just, they're just adjusting me. But I was just curious if you have, if you have other little things that you do to kind of relax people. Because what I find is a lot of times like if my low back is tight or it hurts, sometimes doing something as simple as like standing on a freaking vibration platform for a couple of minutes that just kind of seems to relax the body or going and sitting in the hot tub for a little while, not even getting adjustment or not even doing any deep tissue work but learning how to, how to just frickin relax for a little while. I think a big part of it is just tension, right?

Well, we have meditation workshops too, we have stress reduction workshops. So that's what I do. We every week, like tonight I'm doing Women's health. Every week we have a different workshop where I teach people contact. I teach them how to eat. A lot of people. I mean even though I bet you're like I'm doing, I just read the Plant Paradox by Gundry, which I think is a great book. And I said I'm going to try this for two months and see how it works. So I have not eaten any plants that have. Have you read the book yet?

Yeah, I've read the book and I interviewed him and I, and I don't fully agree with him.

I think that, yeah, I mean, I'm just gonna try it.

I think that to us to a certain extent like lectins in plants induce a hormetic response in the same way that like eating antioxidants because like, you know, if I go out in my, in my backyard, dude, and you know the deer are out there eating wild nettle, I'll, I'll be on a hike and I'll pick some wild nettle and just chew on it while I'm out hiking. And yeah, there's some lectins in there. But I'm also getting that, that bitter wild plant response that actually produces this hormesis. Now at the same time I'm not going to eat a whole loaf of like wheat bread or vat full of like lentils that haven't been soaked or fermented. But I think that complete elimination of lectins is, it's kind of extreme in my opinion.

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All right, well, let me tell you what I was doing and then you can tell me what you think. I'm big on juicing. I juice every day. I juice low glycemic vegetables and I was juicing a shitload of cucumbers, which is one of the things he said you need to cut the skin off or cut the seeds out because it's the seeds. The big deal again. I just like to try stuff on my own body and see how it works. And I mean, not that, you know, what it does is I've woken up. I wake up in the morning with less stiffness in my neck and my lower back. So.

I'm going to continue doing it. It's also helped a little bit with Brain Fog for me, and to me, it's not that big a deal to try it. So I just don't use cucumbers anymore. I used to. I mean, I od. I had cucumbers every day, which is probably a problem to begin with. I also would eat tomatoes every day, which is a nightshade. I would eat squash every day because those were all part of my regimen. And also bell peppers every day. So, I mean, I just cut it out. I just used more celery. I used more licorice.

Yeah. And I think especially for people who already have leaky gut or gastritis or gut inflammation, that is something that can move the dial. It's kind of like this concept that if youif you have, let's say, bacterial imbalance or a bacterial overgrowth or bacterial deficiency, you might have a period of time that you go through where you just can't eat dairy products because you don't possess the bacteria responsible for producing lactase. And then once you repair your gut, you might get to the point where you can have things like raw dairy and yogurt and cheese and do just fine with it. So I think sometimes this concept of eliminating certain variables for a short period of time to allow the gut to heal can be beneficial in the same way that not eating meat for certain times of the year, having certain days where you don't eat meat, helps with longevity and with detoxification. So I think I, I just think this whole idea of extremes in diet and saying, hey, I'm never gonna eat lectins again or I'm never gonna eat dairy again. Like, unless you, unless you have like a full blown.

No, I did, I, I never said that. I just said I'm. I don't plan on doing it the rest of my life. I just said I was gonna do it for two months and just see how I felt at the end of it. I mean, I don't. That's what I use my body as a science project. I mean, yeah, if it works for me, then I can promote it to patients. I can't promote something to my patients if I haven't done it myself, in my opinion. I mean, I like to experience. And I have a lot of patients that are, their goal is to lose weight, you know, and they may be doing paleo or whatever and they're not getting results. They say, well, let's just try this to see how this works. It's been working for me. Not that I need to lose any weight. I mean, weigh 150@5 9. So I don't think.

Yeah, I actually really, I liked the book. I think that especially like the, like he and this other gal, Dr. Terry Walls, I don't know if you've heard of her before. They both have a very good approach to this concept of a ketogenic diet. Meaning that they actually encourage this more plant rich kind of ketogenic diet, which I like that approach quite a bit. When people ask me what's a good version of a ketogenic diet, a lot of times I tell them, Stephen Gundry in his Plant Paradox book, he's got A good version of it. Dr. Terry Wahls in her book the Wahls Protocol, also has a really good version of it. And the reason for that is because they both encourage a lot of vegetable consumption. And just in the case of Steven, it's vegetable consumption that requires like, you know, pressure cookers and fermentation, a lot of these things that degrade the lectins or just avoiding lectin rich foods. But ultimately I'm. I'm a fan of the book, and I actually wanted to talk to you about one food that I've seen you write about as being a superfood. And that's. That's cbd. Dude. Why. Why do you. Why do you call CBD a superfood? I never thought of it as a food. You mean.

I call it cannabis. You can call it whatever you want. Yeah. But cannabis has that negative connotation because it was vilified by the powers that be, especially like people in the cotton industry and the paper industry and the petroleum industry.

It was just. It had been used medically for 10,000 years before. If you look at history on it, I look at cannabis as a plant that God created or yeah, he created, or maybe it. Whatever. People's. You know, whether evolution or creationist, God either created or God started the whole evolutionary process, whatever. I don't want to get into that conversation right now, but that's how people start shooting arrows at you. But this plant co evolved with humans, and that's. So it's got a lot of beneficial effects. The fact that people have gotten high off of it is really where the vilification came from. And back in the 30s, they used racism as a way to sell the whole Reaver madness bullshit like black people. And this is not. That's not what I said because I got. Somebody misconstrued the fact that I said this. This is a quote from the 30s where they said that black people or Hispanics would smoke it and go rape white women or they would think they were as good as white people. And then they said people would smoke it and go out and murder people, but then they would say it also. Then people in the military would smoke it and make them docile. So which one was it? So, and then they changed it. And I learned this from Ty Bollinger. They changed the name from cannabis. They picked a name. They picked two Hispanic names, Mary and Juana, which are the two most popular Hispanic. And they use that, again, using racism to sell this demon weed that needed to be eradicated. And the reason they changed the Name is because cannabis has been used in pharmakea for years to work on a lot of different.

Maladies, whether it was, you know, arthritis or, you know, pain or in pregnancy or a lot of various insomnia. Insomnia. It's great for. It's great for anxiety. I mean, that's what I use it for because I, like I said, I've got a lot of demons inside my head.

Knowing what's going on on the planet. And that's why I create calcium. We'll get into that in a little bit, I'm sure. But. So cannabis has been used and it's a plant that we co evolved with. And the thing is, it's got a better. A better omega3.6 ratio than fish oil. And it's a plant, okay. It's a complete protein. It's probably one of the most complete plant proteins on the planet.

Yeah, a lot of people will. A lot of people will juice it now for like, the chlorophyll and the minerals and the terps every day.

Terpene.

You juice it?

I do. I have a. I have plants in my backyard.

Where do you. Yeah, I was gonna ask you where you get it because you can't buy it at the grocery store, obviously. You just grow cannabis and you juice it?

Yeah, it's in my backyard. And I, you know, I, I. When I was in the 70s, bro, I was a hippie, okay? I used to. And I was a chemistry major for all the wrong reasons. I graduated from high school in 1976. That gives you an idea of the time era. And I went to. I went to college at Cal State Fullerton and I was a full on. I built hydroponic systems before there were hydroponic systems. I grew indoor. And I didn't grow it because I was trying to be a drug dealer. I grew it because I just was fascinated with growing the plant and I developed a relationship with the plant, not in a negative way or a positive way. And again, I don't see it any different than, like, if, you know, people go to Napa and talk about drinking cabernet or their merlot. To me, alcohol is much more dangerous, especially for me, and that's why I don't drink. It's a much more dangerous drug than cannabis. Nobody's ever died from cannabis. And with this big opioid epidemic that we got going on, it would be. But see, the thing and the powers that be don't want cannabis in there because it would destroy all the, you know, high blood pressure medication, anxiety Medications, of sleep aid, all that would go away. But the reason I call it a superfood is because you can juice it. I actually put it in salads, I throw it on my smoothies, I juice it with turmeric for its.

Anti inflammatory properties. But also it's thought to be neuroprotective. So it's going to protect your brain. Like I just spoke at a concussion seminar in the Rose bowl two weeks ago about the benefits of cbd. It's also neuroregenerative. Not to mention that, I mean we get testimonial after testimonial after testimonial from people that were stage four cancer and they start using this product of ours and they go back and they're clear. So again, they've already been given, they've been given up by the medical profession. They do this as last resort and then they get results. It should be something I think most people should use as a first resort for those conditions. But I look at it as like when I was a kid, my dad would take me down to this creek when I lived in Nebraska and there'd be just droves and droves and droves of cannabis growing. It was hemp, it wasn't high grade marijuana which has been hybridized to have super high levels of thc. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about actual hemp that has real low levels of THC and higher levels of cbd, which is where the bent most of the health benefits are at. But also the hemp was what you could use to make fabric which is way more cost effective than cotton. It doesn't require all the pesticides that cotton needs. It's a great.

Product for you can make hemp oil out of. We could really literally probably get off a lot of the fossil fuels that we're so dependent on if we grew more hemp. It's a great, you know, medicinal. It's got so many different. In fact the word canvas came from the word cannabis. So all the sales and you know, covered wagons and all the flags and even the declaration of pennants was signed on hemp paper. And they were required to grow hemp in the late 1700s to pay their taxes because it was such a beneficial plant. And then it was just eradicated because you know, we got the cotton industry that was wanting compensation. We got the William Hearst in the paper industry that doesn't want any competition. We've got, we don't want oil, doesn't want any competition from a plant based Biofuel. Henry Ford built an entire car, with the exception of the drivetrain, out of hemp fabric and hemp biomass. That was. He could hammer it with a hammer. It wouldn't even dang it. And it's so much stronger and so much lighter than metal. So it's got so many benefits. But the biggest benefit is that it's such a highly.

Respiratory plant. It's got such a photosynthetic effect that we really could really help clean up the air, which we've decimated half of the world's forest. So by raising more hemp and using crop rotation, like we should, we could not only to help regenerate the soil, but also, at the same time, we could help with some of the carbon death that we're experiencing. So I'm a big fan of it.

The only problem with it is, you know, it has lectins in it. It's a high lectin plant. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, I don't. I don't know if it's as high as, like, wheat, but definitely has. It's definitely one of those plants that is high in lectins, which I suppose if you were to do something like soak it or ferment it or cook it out or something like that, I could probably get rid of some of those issues. But one thing that I do that you might be interested in is I actually vaporize very small amounts of marijuana, but I blend it. I learned this trick from Paul. Check. I blend it with essential oils. I don't know if you looked into vaporizing of essential oils before, but it's pretty freaking fascinating how many different constituents are in essential oils like limeline and lavender and peppermint that you can actually.

Vape into your lungs along with just a little bit of marijuana if you wanted to. Also a little bit of any green tea or any tea leaf that's dried, as well as any organic tobacco. I have this one called a Northern Chegg tobacco. And you can make these fantastic mixes with tobaccos and essential oils and herbs and teaspoons and just vape these straight into the lungs. So in my. I have an infrared sauna. And now what I do in the evening while I'm reading is I go in my infrared sauna. It's like a little. I use this thing called a dabuda vaporizer. It's like this little. It's like, what am I. I'm blanking on. It's like a hookah. Right. And you just. You just sit in there and you kind of, kind of smoke a little bit of, of tea and essential oil. And it's, it's, it's a really kind of cool way to experience a lot of these benefits that you're alluding to that you get not just from, from cannabis but also from essential oils and from tobaccos and from teas. And I think a lot of people don't tap into these so called superfoods enough because as you've just pointed out, we kind of associate them with negative political consequences. But ultimately, yeah, I agree. It is a superfood. It is a superfood for sure.

Yeah. And I vape every day for a lot of reasons. I mean, I've never understood why. Again, I don't want to beat this horse but you know, alcohol is cool and pots bad. To me, it really opens up my brain and helps me think. I mean, I have to say I don't think Cal Jam would have ever be what it is if it wasn't for the fact that I think a little bit outside the box. And I attribute a little bit the fact that, you know, it's okay, what's wrong with it? You know, it's having some fun while we're here. I mean somebody can point their finger at me for. And I bake too. I don't smoke it. And I vape. Really I smoke different or vape strains that are really low in THC and higher in cbd. So you don't get that where you're out of your mind kind of high, but you get a real nice sedative effect. But also it opens up your brain. I mean as a musician it just helps, you know, increase my creativity. But also like you said, there's all the different terpenes in A. There's 100 different cannabinoids in there which our body can use to help balance our endocannabinoid system. Endocannabinoid system is the system in the body that really modulates really ever every other system, including the nervous system. So that's why we're seeing such benefits when using CBD and THC to get the benefits that we get because it helps create homeostasis in the body by balancing out. Because as we've got all this electro smog, wi fi, fluoride glyphosate, chemtrails, all these different constituents that are bombarding our body. Our body makes less endogenous cannabis. Because your body makes cannabis. There's a product called 2Arachidonelglycerol and there's also anandamide that the body makes itself that helps balance the different.

The cannabinoid receptors. There's a CB1 receptors mostly in the brain and central nervous system, and then there's a CB2 receptor which is mostly in the immune organs and glands, when that's why people that are suffering from cancer benefit from anything that helps balance the CB2 receptors. And people with pain or anxiety is going to benefit from things that help balance the CB1 receptors. And again, that science is wide open. It's a wide open frontier. And I'm just excited to be at the forefront of this because I know this is gonna explode in the near future as a superfood that people can use. I didn't know it had lectins in it, though. That's surprising to me.

Yeah, it would only be if you eat it. You know, the other thing is thesethese CBD vape pens for people whowho can't access THC legally or are concerned about getting tested at work and that type of thing. I actually have a few of these up on my bed stand. And all it is is it' sit's cannabidiol hemp derived cannabidiol CBD oil with no thc. And it tastes like. It's wonderful. It's mouth watering. It's like hemp mixed with cinnamon with a little bit of pine. And it's just all cbd. It's called. The one I use is called a Thrive vape pen. And you can travel with it. It's totally legal, and it's just 100% organic hemp oil with none of like the. A lot of these vape pens have like propylene glycol and nicotine and things like that in them. And this is just pure, pure 100% CBD. It's actually a really cool way to get a lot of the benefits we're talking about without even getting any psychoactivity at all. Now, Billy, I wanted to make sure I touch on a couple other things with you. We talked a little bit about lectins and the gut and about the effects of CBD is almost like a superfood, unquote. But then there's also this idea behind GMOs, and we've talked about GMOs on the show before. People know.

That they're definitely bad news bears. And I know that you've done a lot of writing on GMOs, but I'm curious for you specifically, how do you protect yourself against things like glyphosate and GMOs, because they're so prevalent nowadays. For you, is it supplementation, is it specific shopping habits or what do you do?

Well, I mean, I buy only organic food. I mean, that's. And then I make.

Yeah, but doesn't a lot of organic food have glyphosate on it now, just due to thethe spread of glyphosate?

Possibly, but what are we gonna do? I mean, you gotta eat, you know, I mean, you know, there's. There's mercury in the fish and I still eat that. I mean, and we've got to do something. But yeah, detox too. I mean, if you're gonna live on this planet. And I'm speaking at Dan Pompa's gig this weekend. I do his program with True Cellular Detox. I mean, you've gotta get the metals out. You gotta. But I mean, what do you think?

What do you think about Zach Bush's stuff for the lignite? Like, that's what my kids have been using. They keep a bottle of that in the fridge.

Yeah, yeah. Actually, I'm gonna ask him to speak at caltium because.

Yeah, you should. He's super smart. And this lignite stuff coats the lining of your stomach and essentially kind of, kind of keeps a lot of the glyphosate from ravaging your stomach. Like, we still use all organic foods and we grow a lot of our own foods, but like, that's one of the few supplements that my kids take is they take a shot of that before every meal.

Yeah, we have some in the, in the, in the cabinet at home too. I mean, I, I haven't. I've probably done it three times. Mary Jane, my wife. Mary Jane, my wife.

Bought some.

That's your wife's name? Mary Jane?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's fitting.

Yeah, it's gotten us out of a couple problem issues in the past, back in the 80s, so it's good.

Yeah. Did you listen to that Joe Rogan podcast, you know, in which you were of course basically thrown under the bus now what. I know that we don't have a ton of time to take a deep dive into all the different things, but overall, like, what do you think are a few of the things? Well, let me ask you this, man. Are there, are there chiropractic docs out there who are quacks?

Of course, but I mean, that's true of any profession. I mean, you could go from, you know, there's plumbers that are probably rip offs. I used to have an auto mechanic that was a rip off. So I figured out that I should probably go somewhere else. I mean, there's going to be crooks in any trade. I'm sure there's MBS that are.

You.

Know, not 100% upfront and honest. I mean there's, there's, you're gonna, you're gonna have bad thieves in any profession. So. But on, on the whole, I, I feel like chiropractic, such a safe intervention, even if the dude is a quack to some degree, it's not going to have the same definitive effects as if somebody's doing like surgery on people when they didn't need surgery. So I, again, that happens. That's why it's important for you to use referrals as a way to discern who you go to and you get a good reference from one of your friends as far as determining on what chiropractor you select.

Now how would you go about doing that if you weren't just going to get a referral from a friend? Like, if you move to a city, you'll know people there. Are there directories, are there ways to identify who somebody good is going to be if you don't want to run into somebody who's just like basically, well, more or less a quack who's going to sell you a bunch of supplements and not really use things like thermography like you're using, not teach people therapeutical exercises and just basically. And in some cases I've been to docs like this, they won't even touch you from an adjustment standpoint. They'll just be like, yeah, you need to take this fish oil that I'm selling.

Right. I mean, I think it's up to the consumer to do their research, in my opinion. And again, whatever that takes. There's not really, I mean, I would have people go to more chiropractic.

Resources like the ica, International Chiropractic association, the icpa, which is the International Chiropractic Pediatric Association. Those would be good resources. Those are people that think the same way I do. Also in California, where I practice in Newport beach, we have the cca, California Chiropractic Association. Those would be great resources. Those are people that I feel are upfront. Again, whether the person has the technical skills to adjust or not, and whether you're comfortable with those technical skills is going to be something to your discernment. Again, there's no way to really gauge that or monitor that, in my opinion, so. And again, maybe you might need to try a couple chiropractors until you feel somebody that not only you feel comfortable with, but somebody that you get results. I mean, there's many times, not many times. There's a few times in my. In my 33 years of practice where people don't get results with me. And then I refer them to a friend that may utilize a different technique that somebody may respond to. So, again, not everybody's going to fit lock and key into a perfectly, you know, perfect system. So it's important for the. That consumers do with their own research.

I interviewed Dr. Jason Yeager, and he went into some of the practitioner directories that he likes. And when I interviewed him, I also featured an article by Dr. Patrick Gentempo, and I'll link to those. For those of you listening in, if you want access to some of those directories, just go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com DeMoss that's D E M O S s and you can access that other podcast that I did. But ultimately, it sounds to me like it's a combination of asking around and then also accessing some of these directories of certified professionals that you vouch for.

I mean, I think to me it's like I always consider our first visit like a first date when I have a new patient. Number one, I want to see if I want to work with this person. And number two, you know, you want to see if you can dance together. I mean, the thing is, it's going to be a mutual relationship where I'm going to do some of the work, they're going to do some of the work, and if they don't follow through, then their health is going to be.

Diminished. And number two, then my reputation is very important and I want people to follow through with what I asked them to do. And I know we can get the results that chiropractic will give to them.

Yeah, interesting. Okay, so I've got one other question for you because you started to rail on this before we even started recording. And since I haven't talked about it much on a show before, I want to hear your thoughts on it. Why are you such an advocate or a proponent of the idea that chemtrails are a real thing? What's up with chemtrails?

I mean, I grew up as a kid and I wanted to become a meteorologist, believe it or not. I mean, when I lived in Nebraska, I used to just be enthralled with tornadoes and thunderstorms, and when I grew up, there were not any of those funny trails in the sky. And Then I started noticing.

Probably early 90s, all this spraying going on. And again, it sounds like major conspiracy. The government admits that they're doing it. You've got, you know, books that talk about stratospheric aerosol injections, about limiting the amount of sunlight that comes through nanoparticulate aluminum. There's a lot of people Dane Wigginton talks about. There's all kinds of research on this.

It's just pretty obvious to me when you see it going on. And people will tell me it's just normal contrails, but I mean, I've never seen contrails when I was a kid dissipate across the entire spine, fog and haze, the entire horizon. I mean, that's the thing that's totally new to me. And when you've gone through different periods of time and you've seen a change in just how blue the skies are and to what now we see on a daily basis in some parts of the country we get a break every summer. They don't spray at all in the summer here. And people may say that that's because of weather, but it's one of those things that I just think needs to be addressed. And when people admit it in the government and you read a lot of books about it and admit that that's a possible way to prevent global warming, whether global warming's happening or not. But that's just what the powers that be maybe doing.

Yeah, I mean, I agree that it's possible some chemical spraying maybe, maybe inducing some environmental damage and that there might be kind of like a chemical fallout from some of the things that we might find in jet fuel and things like that. But I don't know that, that it's like this, this.

Conspiracy to mind wash us or to control population via these condensation trails. That's just something I have yet to see evidence behind. You're one of the few guys I've had on the show who's actually written about this a little bit and had some strong beliefs on it. So I thought I'd ask you about it.

Yeah, I mean, all you have to do is look up, bro. I mean, it's pretty obvious when you see it going on every day. I mean, when your sky is completely clear, like I'll be surfing on it and all of a sudden the sky's clear and then here comes all the chem trailers and in a matter of a half an hour the whole sky is checkerboarded. And then you see that shit spread out and it's just this clam chowder haze that covers the entire sky. I mean, what is there? I mean, it's right there in front of you every day.

Yeah, I guess I just always assumed it was like, you know, for example, like condensation, like, like condensed water vapor from, from airplane. From rockets flying at home.

Here, let me ask you this question. Like, feel like on a cold day when water vapor comes out of your mouth, it doesn't stay around for four hours, it dissipates. And it's the same thing with the.

Yeah, but, but there's a lot less like, you know, horizontal and vertical wind shear when you're on the ground and different humidity levels. It seems to me like there's a lot of confounding variables for us to say that it's like a mind control experiment.

Well, I didn't say it's a mind control. I said it's an experiment to help prevent global warming, according to them. But they're using.

To help prevent global warming.

Yeah, because what it does is it decreases the amount of, it creates global dimming. Because what it does is it prevents sunlight from coming. When you're spraying metal in the sky, bro, it's going to limit the, it reflects the sun back out.

So what you're saying is they're trying to do something good for the planet. If it is indeed something that's being consciously done, but that the problem with it is that the chemicals that wind up in our environment as a result of the, the, the, the measures they're taking to, to stop global warming wind up damaging humans.

Right? Well, you look at what it's. I mean, you look at like, some of the soil samples in, like, lake shaft areas, like aluminum levels are 10,000% higher than they're supposed to be. I mean, there's, there's a, there's a, it's hard to really go up and do research and like grab a chemtrail. I mean, who's going to go up there? And I mean, I'm sure that space up there is, you know, heavily regulated. You can't just fly a plane up there and fly behind a chemtrail plane and try to grab nanoparticulate aluminum, which is probably hard to do to begin with.

So again, you just have to use a little bit of common sense and ask questions, why is this going on? And.

From there, my goal is just to create more awareness and get the conversation going so that we can discuss this as a human species. Because if they're admitting that they're doing. We have to look at the Repercussions of breathing in nanoparticulate aluminum, barium, strontium, as far as the negative consequences gonna have to cognitive function and cognitive decay as we get older.

Interesting. In the meantime, let's say that we did want to protect ourselves. Is there something that you'd recommend that we do?

Yeah, I go back to the Apophis True Cellular Detox, which I'm speaking at this time.

Just detox your body. Yeah, I have an interview with him.

I mean, I have my, you know, blood tested and I was high on aluminum, I was high in mercury, I was high in lead. So my objective is to do the program. I'm going to really hit it hard again after Cal Jam and then go back and have the blood work done. So we're not going to talk anymore about the science. Bad gig, huh? I thought that.

Well, you know, we, we, we did it. We did a pretty big podcast on that, but I wanted to just kind of, kind of get, get your overall thoughts on it, you know.

And let me ask you this, Let.

Me ask you a horse that's potentially been kicked to death. Yeah, go ahead.

You think any of these people that do the kind of bull articles and these podcasts are maybe paid for? Trolls that are just told, hey, I want you to go out and take this guy down. The reality is that, oh, yeah, I.

Mean, if you, if you read Ryan Holiday's book, trust me, I'm lying about the media and how easy it is to manipulate the media and how many, you know, how much underground, how much cash is being traded back and forth. I mean, dude, I get like four or five emails a day from folks who are like, yeah, I'll pay you to put a link to such and such in this, you know, hide this link in an article on your website. So I know that that stuff definitely happens, it occurs. And so, yeah, I certainly wouldn't dispute the fact that that is possible that, you know, someone may, may have paid her to write an article like that more than what the going rate would be for it. I don't, I forget what website it was published on. Was it Gawker or. It was something like that anyway. But she's been on, she's been on my show as well. And yeah, I think that, that in, in any industry, there's going to be a problem with unethical journalism. But ultimately, how did she come off on your show?

She's.

Because she didn't come off.

She's not super scientific. That's the problem.

And she's not a baby I hate to say that, but that's my opinion.

I appreciate questioning of authority and questioning of the status quo and questioning of some of the things we might swallow hook, line, and sinker. But at the same time, I think that some of the things that she says are not scientific. But you could say the same thing about the food babe. Right. The whole. You got yoga mats in your subway sandwiches. Well, the fact is that's a. That's a natural chemical that gets metabolized into water in the body when you consume it. So there are people out there like the food babe and the SAI babe, who are. They're cool people. They've both been on my show before. I don't think they're bad people, but at the same time, sometimes they say things that are flawed. But I've said things that I've had to go back on my side and.

Say, hey, oh, we all have.

This is something that's not true.

Yeah, you're pushing the needle. Sometimes that happens. And I think just Joe Rogan had a bad experience with chiropractic, so he's just got an accident. Chiropractic. So, yeah.

Yep. Well, either way, what I'll do for those of you listening in is, first of all, link to Billy's fantastic event in California. Even if you're not a chiropractic doc, you should check this out. It's fun. It's like rock and roll and health expo and Cal Jam. It's called the Cal Jam conference. That's a californiajam.org and I'll link to Billy's website as well as some of the other things we talked about, like the wobble chair and the cervical neck traction and the CBD pens and some of these things. But I'll also link to, for those of you who want to take a deeper dive into this whole Cybe thing, The article that Dr. Patrick Gentempo wrote on my site and also the interview that I did with Dr. Jason Jaeger about kind of a formalized response, point by point, to a lot of the stuff that was brought up in that particular is chiropractic bull article and interview. And in the meantime, Billy's one of those guys who's out there obviously thinking outside the box, obviously asking a lot of questions. And Billy, I appreciate guys like you and what you do, so thanks for coming on the show and sharing this stuff with us, man.

Hey, thanks for having me on, brother. Look forward to seeing you January 26th, 27th. 28th in sunny California. Where are you at?

Anyways, I'M up in snowy Spokane, Washington.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love it, though. I love it up here. I just, I just built up my snowboard last night, so I'll be carving the slopes hopefully by next week.

Well, you want to go helicopter skiing with me in March?

I'll tentatively say yes. I generally don't adventure. So. Yeah, that sounds like a blast, dude. All right. So, folks, BenGreenfieldFitness.com DeMoss D E Moss is where you can access the show notes. Thank you everybody for listening in. And until next time, I'm Ben Greenfield along with Dr. Billy DeMoss signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com have an amazing week.

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