Q&A 454: Is A Mediterranean Diet Bad For Your Gut & The Surprising Benefits Of Isometric Training

In this episode of the Ben Greenfield Life show, what to do if a Mediterranean diet hurts your gut. The benefits of isometric training, nine ways you could be sabotaging your social life, and much more.

Jay, what's up, dude?

Hey, man. Enjoying life? What's up with you?

Well, we got video. Now we officially are a video podcast, which is pretty cool. So. So if you're listening right now, you can go to BenGreenfieldLife.com 454. We'll have the video on. I sound a little bit like a broken record because I know I said that in Q&A453, but I'm just announcing it for about the next month or so on podcast episodes. So folks know that we are wearing pants. Possibly, but we at least have hair, makeup, whatever else. Books on the bookshelves, strategically placed sponsor items hanging around behind the video camera. I'm tired. I've been. I've been burning the candle at both ends. Recording the audiobook for Boundless Parenting. It's super interesting.

Oh, geez.

There's some interesting stuff in there. I actually have the book right here. The book right here. Did you know that I interviewed the Liver King for it? Obviously.

Did you really?

Before he got busted. But I was reading the part about his sample day in the life of how his kids eat and move. All right, so here, here's a free preview. Hold up to the camera. Ding. A Boundless Parenting for you guys. So pre free preview for anybody who feels like maybe you're. You're. You're really doing a great job turning your children into free thinking, resilient little human beings. And they're doing burpees after lunch or whatever. You probably aren't. Here's a sample day in the life of how Brian Johnson, AKA the Liver King kids eat and move. Based on what he's. He's contributed to the book here. 7am Wake. Just wake up just after sunrise. Meaning they're not waking up at 7am I guess this is what they're doing up until 7am wake up just after sunrise and walk down to the lake barefoot, connected to the earth sun gaze. And then do morning workout and chores, branch clearing, vine management, weeds, dogs, etc. If we are at the ranch, they also pick eggs, milk the cows, and gather fruits from the orchard. That's not too bad.

That's pretty reasonable. Eggs and take care of the goats in the morning. So they, yeah, you know, scoop poop out of the yard and stuff like so.

Okay, that's.

That's pretty straightforward. That's not a, that's not a crazy childhood existence. 8am make breakfast using six to eight farm fresh fertilized eggs from a ranch, bone marrow ghee, and leftover meat from the previous day.

His kids aren't having liver for breakfast. This is horrible. Yeah.

Oh, no, it's not consistent with branding here.

Not on brand. They're Not Liver Princes. 9am to noon. Self taught school in nature time. I could get behind that. 12pm Lunch. Cartilaginous. Not just meat, but a cartilaginous rich cut of meat. Liver. There we go. Liver at lunch and a few homemade beef snacks. 1 to 4pm Afternoon workout. Boxing, jiu jitsu, swimming, cold plunge. Oh, even as a tip in here, at least one hour away from working out so they don't shut down post workout inflammation. Very scientific. And if desired, 40 minutes of earned screen time. By the way, that whole post workout inflammation thing with cold is kind of a myth because all the studies that have been done on that, like your muscle core temperature has to get so crazy low, you got to be in like 33 degrees water for 10 plus minutes. I don't know a lot of people who are doing that after a workout. Cold shower jumping a cold shower not going to cause any issues. 4:00pm that's kind of early dinner always. Raw liver, raw bone marrow, raw testicles. Why has it got to be raw? It tastes good cooked too. You know, maybe some heart and close to a pound of, pound of red meat. We also include potatoes or rice and avocados with real olive oil. It's kind of funny because like my, my kids eat meat and fish and stuff for dinner, but they're happy as a clam. Literally. Just like eating rice, rice crackers, and they're like their mom. Rice, rice crackers, bread, a piece of lettuce. Like if I didn't break out the protein in the meat, they'd never even ask for it. They'd just be like, interesting. Dad, I'm gonna make rice again. The little vinegar piece of lettuce. They're just little carboholic kids.

My kids are more on the carnivorous side. But not raw testicles and liver. I haven't done that that yet.

Yeah, yeah. Family wake surfing. Okay, so they're doing dinner early. 5pm Family wake surfing. That sounds fun. 6pm Walk and free time to hang out as brothers or with friends. 7:00pm Hang out with dad. Bedtime. Wind down the day and begin an optimized sleep routine.

Interesting. Yeah, that's not, that's not that bad. Of A day. It's an early dinner, but a lot of people are into that early dinner thing. I'm not. I like to have all this stuff done before we get to dinner. Yeah. I like to do all my family wakeboarding before dinner or after dinner. Or before dinner. I mean. Yeah.

So you know what's interesting? I think that most people in the health wellness optimization community would hear a lot of those components and not think a lot about them other than like, yes, they're great. Yeah, it's the. It's the food, it's the nutritional components that I'm like, man, if I tried to present that to my kid, to my wife, to myself at times, it'd be the challenge, to say the least.

Do you mean the raw liver and bone marrow part?

Yeah, that part. That.

That part.

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Did.

How old are his kids? Does he stay in the book or do you know?

Dude, I just closed the book. It's 600 pages long. I'm not gonna find that.

You're supposed to.

You're supposed to randomly open to it.

Boom.

How old are his kids? They're like young teenage boys. I forget theirs.

Okay, gotcha. I mean, I have a five year old, three year old, so I don't.

Know how much that would fly with.

A five year old and a three year old.

I don't know if I've ever mentioned this on the show before, but I have liver with almost every meal I do. I have a raw liver smoothie every morning. Occasionally I take my kids out for waffles or whatever. I'm not bringing raw liver in my fanny pack to the waffle place. But yeah, I have a raw liver smoothie almost every morning, and then I have a huge handful of those liver capsules with lunch and then often again with dinner. So I technically have liver, like three times a day. Yeah.

I take it in desiccated form in liver capsules. But eating it raw, I actually have never done that. I'd like to try it.

At least A little honey and a little salt. It's actually not that bad. But I also think it's kind of a publicity stunt to a certain extent, too, because it's raw. Let's face it, raw liver or testicle or heart or anything tastes so much better. Like soaked and dredged in egg and flour and fried up on the grill with some bacon and onions. I mean, if you're going to do it, I say do it right. Or blend it up in a smoothie with a bunch of stuff that makes it Taste like chocolate ice cream.

That too. Have you seen the new. The company, I can't remember what they're called. Ancestral something. But they're like mass market now. Or mass market in terms of like sprouts, whole foods type of thing, which I think is mass market. They sell just like a blend of grass fed beef with heart and liver, like already inside of it, kind of. I know companies have done that before, but these are like powder supermarkets. No, no, no, no, no. Like actually like in. So that you can. It's like ground up, like in beef, so that you can create burgers out of it and you can mince it up.

Yeah, I've seen that. And.

He'S one of my buddies. He has what's called a steak shake, and it's like a protein powder made out of powdered organ meats. And then the other people, the folks at Keto Brick, they just launched like one of their keto bricks, which is like a 1000 calorie coconut butter based brick. And they put like meat powder in there, which sounds disgusting, but it's actually not bad. And I think they put some organ stuff in there too, as well. I believe so. Anyways, all sorts of mouth watering tips today for everybody except vegan people who are throwing up right now. All right, well, let's launch into today's news flashes, shall we?

Let's do it, man.

All right, here we go. This is the part of the show where we tell you some of the interesting things that I've tweeted out and shared lately on the socials, some compelling news flashes, articles that I've read that I thought were interesting enough to share with you, et cetera. I'll put them all@BenGreenfieldLife.com 454, which is where the shownotes reside. Jay, are you standing up right now?

No, I've been standing up most of the day though, so this is a reprieve. Actually, I've been up almost all day.

Oh, look at you. Okay, so if I go like this and I press my little camera thing here, I'll show you. This.

Is nine times out of ten, what's underneath my butt when I'm at my workstation. What I'm holding up is this, like upright stool. I'm not necessarily married to any specific brand. This one's a focal upright. I don't think they make it anymore. But it's got an extender on the end of it. See? Like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I can lean up against that and it goes up and down. My kids have a couple as well. They have softer padded ones made by a different company. And usually I kind of like lean back like this. And so I'm kind of sort of standing, leaning against a stool. And then beside me is a treadmill and I gotta move my camera all over the place to show you the treadmill, but beside me is the treadmill where I'll take a lot of my calls while I'm walking. So I am of course, into the standing workstation thing. Even this desk I use goes up and down. It's a little button on it, and you push it, it goes up and down, which is kind of cool. But anyways, I wanted to highlight a couple of studies. One was very recent. It was a randomized controlled crossover study, so pretty well designed study. They found the average blood glucose was higher during a seven hour period of uninterrupted sitting compared to during sitting, interrupted with physical activity every 30 minutes. And I think that that makes pretty good sense. But the interesting thing is that this other study actually looked at the metabolic effects of breaking prolonged sitting with standing or light walking. And I thought this was more interesting. What they found was that for people, and this was in older adults who were working during the day, they found that in order to actually get metabolic benefits of taking a break from sitting during work, you actually have to move. That standing doesn't actually make that big of an impact in terms of, you know, burning extra fat or glycemic management or anything from a metabolic standpoint, you actually have to move. So if you're telling yourself, well, I'm standing for eight hours a day at my standing desk, so I don't need to do like the pomodoro break and stop and do jumping jacks or walk or sprint or whatever, that's actually wrong for blood sugar management, you do need to move. Standing is not enough. Now, that being said, that's the metabolic component. Now, from the biomechanical standpoint, yeah, standing can be enough to reduce low back strain and to get rid of the shortened hip flexors and deactivated glutes and some of the things that you might experience while sitting. Now, of course, I should mention, standing can come with its own host of other biomechanical issues, right? Like.

Knee pain. If your knees are locked out, some people will experience, especially if they have poor posture, like an excess of what would be called lordotic curve. And so they'll also start to get kind of either tight hip flexors or a weak low back or a painful low Back when standing, if not standing with good posture, some people kind of drop into that forward head posture even more when they're standing than when they're sitting. So there's a lot of additional things to take into consideration here. But ultimately the main thing I want to let people know based on these studies is that yes, standing is good, it's better than sitting in most cases. But, but you must break up either sedentary standing, which is what I would define just standing around all day as. So sedentary standing, or especially sedentary sitting must be broken up with movement to actually see things like the lower triglycerides, the lower blood glucose, the increase in fat, burning, et cetera. And in this case what they did was five minute breaks every 30 minutes, which I have to admit for me I'm usually close to like probably two or three minutes every 30 minutes. Five, you know, it's just a complete waste of time. But that's what they did in the study. So there you have it.

Yeah, yeah. Two things about that. Number one is the posture thing is huge. Like for me I, when I first got my standing desk, which has probably been, geez, maybe even 10 years ago now, I was like leaning over my desk like with horrible posture, just thinking, oh, standing all day is the way to go. And so after, you know, three or four hours, it was awful. And so I always tell people it's like when you see your posture start to give out and like you're tired, like just sit or like go for a walk, just get away from leaning over and putting all your pressure on the desk. The second thing, I'm curious on your thoughts. Ben. I know I've heard you talk recently about like the pace and speed of walking and how that relates to glucose management and metabolic health. I don't think from what I could tell they were looking at the pace of these individuals during that point in time. But I'm assuming you would say maybe a little bit more of a rapid pace, not just kind of like a slow stroll for this, for better metabolic health.

And most of these studies to control them, they use walking and you are right, like slightly faster pace is better. That's why I kind of like having one of these walking treadmills beside me. That's the manual treadmill, so I can also run on it if I want to. A lot of the studies use walking, but let's face it, like there's a kettlebell on the floor of my office behind me so I can do swings. I got a pull up bar Back behind me where I can do the pull ups. I'll do jumping jacks.

Shameless plug. But in my book, Boundless, I've got a whole list menu of movement snacks for any given day. So in my op, walking is cool. But the disadvantage of walking unless you have an office treadmill is you can't you got to go leave your office. In some cases, you know, you might look like you're shirking your work or whatever. But I mean, you know, if you're just, you know, banging out some swings ninja style in your cubicle office space, nobody knows.

Or if your boss loves the book Deep Work by Cal Newport, you can just talk about it as a productivity meditation. Yes, that two to three minutes productivity meditation can be epic. So that's the excuse.

Yeah. And by the way, there's a book behind me I just read. It's Katie Bowman. She's a great biomechanist. I got to get her back on the show. She just sent me two new books. Let's see if my headphone cable is long enough to make it back here and look at one of them. Okay. It's called. Okay, got it. Rethink your position. Rethink your position. Obviously, Deskbound by Kelly Starrett is fantastic for this, but this rethink your position book is also really good. I mean, any book written by someone who has removed all furniture from their home, not joking, like sleeps on the floor without a pillow. But she's a smart biomechanist and you know, her kids go to forest school and it's a cool book. So anyways, rethink your position. Check that book out. I'll make sure I link to it in the show. Notes BenGreenfieldLife.com 454 so that's what I wanted to mention about movement. Next. I read an interesting article about.

The Mediterranean diet. The Mediterranean diet, obviously a diet that is well proven from a wide variety of epidemiological sources for improving longevity and decreasing risk for a host of chronic diseases. Right. And you can probably most people say it in their sleep with the Mediterranean diet. Vegetables and fruits and whole grains and nuts and low in red and processed meat. And that's kind of, kind of the way that most people would define the Mediterranean diet. Problem is, and this actually keeps a lot of people with princess guts and I've dealt with this in the past from eating that kind of like high fiber, high vegetable, grainy, nutty, seedy Mediterranean diet. You know, your giant kale and arugula salads with pumpkin seeds and almonds on them and two slices of whole wheat bread and then brown rice for dinner with pears and apples. It's very rich in fiber and it's very rich in a lot of fermentable fibers and it's very rich in a lot of the potential plant based defense mechanisms that can cause digestive distress in a lot of people. And what this paper which appeared in Frontiers in Nutrition pointed out was that you have to, if you want to garnish. Is garnish a word? Garnish? Garner. Garnish is a word. I think it's, it's garnish. Some of the benefits of the Mediterranean diet. Did I use that word properly or is it garner?

I don't know. When I think of garnish, something being included.

All right, I'll look it up for me. Do that. What, what's his name? Do the, the Jamie Joe Rogan thing. Look that up for me. Google that. Jay, Is it garner or garnish? Anyways, what, what the you have to do is you have to make some modifications because ultimately, not only if you're eating packages and processed foods in a Mediterranean context, you've got emulsifiers and thickeners and maltodextrin and artificial sweeteners and processed food that has titanium dioxide and sulfites and other stuff in it. But then there's also just general.

Foods that would be considered healthy by a quote, normal, unquote person that a person with irritable bowel or gut issues or gut inflammation simply has to be very careful with on a Mediterranean diet. And I think the end of the paper, they have some really great actionable information. So here's the deal. If you're listening and your doctor or your trainer or nutritionist or dietitian or whatever has told you that you'd really benefit from eating the Mediterranean diet, they could be right. But if they're not, taking into their consideration into consideration your gut and you're having gut issues, bloating, gas, constipation, diarrhea, indigestion, whatever. Here's some modifications you can make. First of all, make your fruits and vegetables easy to digest, right? Lots of puree, pureeing, lots of blending, lots of mashing. If you get into the fermenting, soaking, sprouting game, great peel and de seed if you can. Okay? So there's a little bit more attention that must be paid to plant preparation.

Next. They say that a Mediterranean diet free of whole grain bread, pasta, rice, couscous and other cereals is probably a good idea on a Mediterranean diet. Now at this point people are probably thinking, wait, you're starting to describe a paleo diet, right? And it's just, you know, it sounds like I'm just getting rid of grains and a lot of the hard to digest fruits and vegetables and the peeling and the seeding, etc. But here's the deal. They say nuts and seeds actually from what they found and they looked at a lot of studies in this paper, those actually are pretty tolerated. But you ideally need to grind them and some like cashews need to be soaked. But you know, you can get like ground flax powder, you can take out a grinder or nutribullet and grind your walnuts into a fine powder or your Brazil nuts or macadamia nuts or what have you. Good idea. Because it's not necessarily the seeds and nuts that are hurting your gut like the digestive enzyme inhibitors in them. It's just the fact that they are big, chunky pieces of hard stuff. Not quite as bad as glass. But imagine if you're eating bones and glass, how hard that would be on your gut. Well, one next level down is the hardness. Understatement of the year are seeds and nuts. So grind them. If you can grind them, mortar and pestle, break them down, that type of thing they actually highly recommend. And this will be something that folks who are following a more ketogenic or low carb version of the Mediterranean diet need to bear in mind. They recommend avoiding full fat, especially full fat dairy products. But a lot of these compounds that are higher in saturated fats. And I found this to be the issue. Sometimes it's gallbladder and liver problems that are contributing to the digestive distress. Sometimes it's small or large intestinal inflammation. But ultimately choosing fats that are a little bit more liquidy, right, like there's the Andrea seed oil, right? They do a bunch of cold pressed oils like pumpkin seed oil and hemp seed oil and black seed oil. Those are good choices. Obviously extra virgin olive oil and avocado oil are good choices. Your fatty cuts of fish versus your meatier saturated fat type of cuts of beef, et cetera, probably better tolerated. But basically if you are going to do a low carb or keto version of the Mediterranean diet, or spice up any version of a Mediterranean diet with fats using more of these, like liquid based, monounsaturated and in moderation polyunsaturated fats are going to be a better idea than the chunky, thick hard fats. And that would include Full fat yogurt and full fat dairy. Even though dairy is something recommended on a Mediterranean diet, you'd want to be pretty careful with that. That being said, by the way, I got to give a head nod to my podcast with Dr. William Davis where we went over his gut healing super yogurt recipe. Did you try that one at all, Jay?

No, I did not.

Oh my gosh, it's so good.

But I should.

You sleep better, your gut's better. So I always have a couple of big glass mason jars of that up in the fridge. Now I'm actually putting the full recipe of it in this next cookbook that I'm working on. But I mean, it's not that hard. It's three specific strains you buy on Amazon. Use goat milk. Or if you want to do a plant based milk, you could use like coconut milk, for example. You ferment it for 36 hours with these probiotics in it. Add a little gelatin to thick it up at the end if you want it more thick. Dr. Davis has actually tested it against things like rifaximin and standard treatments for small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, which actually is one of the reasons a lot of people get gut issues and has found that drinking, I think it's like a half cup. Eating or drinking a half cup of this yogurt for four weeks in a row just eradicates sibo, which is crazy. And you get this huge rush in oxytocin. It's actually feel pretty good too. And people report weird things like crazy dreams and better socks and all sorts of, you know, better skin. Their eczema goes away. It's like magic yogurt. So, yeah, so I'll link to my podcast in the show notes. They also say a couple other tips. They say ditch the legumes. Ditch the legumes if. If you can, at least most of them. And if you are going to do them, they say lentils or tempeh or tofu seem to be the best tolerated by people with ibd. I think legumes in general, I don't meet a lot of people who have gut issues who do well with legumes. So I think that's a, that's a good recommendation they give to just avoid even things like, you know, whatever, you know, peas, pea protein, chickpeas, hummus, tahini, you know, all that stuff. Be super careful with. I just spit all over my monitor.

Saying, I think I saw it. I think I saw it fly out of your mouth. Everybody can watch that on video.

Watch the Video we'll see Slow mo. It'll be like the. And you're going like this.

Watch out. Shotgun.

And then the last one. Hard boiled scrambled eggs or fried eggs may be hard to digest. If you're on the Mediterranean diet and you're using the recommendations that you eat eggs on the Mediterranean diet, choose soft boiled eggs or poached eggs. Soft boiled eggs or poached eggs. That was surprising to me. I didn't realize there was that much of a difference in terms of digestive distress based on egg preparation methods.

Yeah, me either. No, that is a super interesting one.

Yeah, so it's good. It's like, you know, if you're having issues with the Mediterranean diet because you have gut problems, it might not be that you got to switch to like a full on like paleo or carnivore elemental gut healing diet. Or, you know, have a smoothie for breakfast, lunch and dinner or something like that. But in a nutshell, a ground nutshell in this case. Grind and break down your seeds and nuts. Ditch whole grain bread, pasta, rice, couscous and other cereals. Use easy to digest fruits and vegetables. And when you do fruits and vegetables, try and puree and mash and steam and blend as much as possible. Avoid the full fat versions of dairy and a lot of the marbly cuts of meat. And try to choose fish and the more liquid Omega 3 rich oils over some of those harder to digest fats. And then finally a soft boil. Or poach your eggs and avoid legumes. So there you have it.

There it is. One of my favorite staples of this is a bit of an off note or sidetrack, if you will. One of my favorite staples of the Mediterranean diet is obviously olive oil. Absolutely love it. Did you hear? Because I thought this was fascinating. I didn't know this was a thing, but apparently it's a thing. So Starbucks is coming out with a coffee that is infused and mixed with olive oil. So basically I've heard the whole butter and NCT oil and I did that for, you know, quite some time. But now they're coming out with an olive oil like coffee, which is super interesting. I did not know that was a thing.

People that will report having shat their pants on the way to because they aren't used to putting bats in their coffee. We're gonna see what happens when Starbucks unleashes that on the general population. That reminds me of something else. You ever put a sprig of rosemary into your coffee? Like if you're doing a French press or even Just a pour over. It's amazing. It's really good. And rosemary has a lot of like, nootropic like properties on its own for memory and cognition, but it actually really amps up the flavor of coffee. Like, I. I always have been a fan of putting a little salt, a little cinnamon, sometimes a bit of like that organic vanilla or butterscotch toffee flavored stevia that oh my God, organic makes in my coffee. So I do like to dress up my coffee a little bit. But if you do a little bit of salt with a little bit of rosemary, it's actually really good.

Give that a go. I am such a purist, which I figured you would be, Ben, growing up with coffee, I figured you'd be like, not, not put anything in there, which is like what I do. I basically, it's just, it's water and coff and so when I put anything else in there, like, you know, again, if it's like the mix with butter, MCT oil or I've never done olive oil, but I'm gonna give it a go. Or salt or cinnamon, it always just, I feel like it just takes away from that flavor of the coffee for me. Like, it's disappointing.

It's no longer true. Coffee. I'll agree. Here's my hypothesis. I drank so much coffee with a dad as a gourmet coffee roaster and coffee stand and coffee shop owner from the age of 13 onwards that I think I possibly just kind of got bored with black coffee by the time I was like 30. You know, I spent almost two decades just drinking black brew every morning and branched out and started to experiment and, you know, now regular coffee. Actually, I still like regular coffee. Honestly I do. But it's fun to just experiment with other stuff, right?

Yeah.

My job to do that and then report back.

That's true.

Podcast. That's true.

If I ever get bored of the just flavor of coffee, I will be very surprised by that. So in 20 years, I'll let you know. If I'm still bored now, then, you know, I'll like, I'm 20 in 20 years. Which will be amazing because of all this biohacking we're doing.

That's right. Because science, hey, speaking of science, nine research established mental distortions to be aware of. How's that for a segue? This was an interesting article that appeared on the Art of Manliness, which is a pretty good website and I thought it was super interesting. Interesting enough to provide conversation fodder for this podcast. I don't know if you Took a look at this article, Jay, but it's kind of fascinating. Mental distortions. Basically it was based on the fact that sometimes there's a mismatch between our perception of how others act towards us and how we think others will perceive how we act towards them. And they list nine of these things that we should think about a little bit more if we haven't been placing ourselves in other people's shoes and thinking about some of the things that are myths when it comes to social interactions. So here we go. I just think these are really great. Number one, you underestimate how much you'll enjoy talking to a stranger. You underestimate how much you'll enjoy talking to a stranger. And they say people in subway cars and other public places tend to keep to themselves listening to music with headphones on or staring into space. They're reluctant to start a conversation because they think people around them are going to reject that conversation because they're strangers. But, and again, a lot of this is research based. Like I mentioned, studies have found that when you strike up a conversation with a stranger, the interaction tends to be more welcomed, enjoyable and mood boosting than expected. In other words, we all assume nobody wants to talk to anybody, but in fact they do. And it can be pretty enjoyable. And it's just, it's a matter of being courageous and brave enough to spark that conversation. Like, hey, those are cool shoes, where'd you get them? Or hey, I like that wallet. Could I hold it for a second? So yeah, this happens to be all.

The time on travel. Yeah, like when I'm traveling, like I, I, I'm so prone to like throwing in the headphones, maybe like even throwing a hood on sometimes kind of getting over to my corner, like in the lounge or wherever I'm at. But then when someone strikes up a conversation, it's funny because even though I'm a psychologist initially, sometimes I'll be kind of like, oh man, don't want to do this. It's almost a little bit aggravating. But most of the con conversations I have are very fruitful and it's just great to connect with someone else. And I end up enjoy thing with like Uber rides. So when I'm flying out a lot to San Diego, I have to drive, you know, take an Uber from the airport up to Encinitas, where Honu's headquarters is located. It's like a 30 minute drive. It's always just easier to like not get on my phone. Oh, it is easier to get on my phone. But I try not to. And just chat with the Uber driver. It's a lot of fun.

Yeah, Yeah, I agree. And, I mean, there is. By the way, I was joking. Don't ask people if you can hold their wallet. I. I think that maybe if. If I. I sometimes get into this mode, and it's. It's almost like mini celeb mode, where I sometimes just don't want to be blasted with a bunch of questions about the podcast and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, that goes through my head sometimes. So I do kind of do like, the hoodie headphones on thing, just because I'm like, gosh, I like, I gotta get to my next place. I know if I start a conversation, I'll have to be that asshole that ends it early. But, I mean, you know, maybe a lot of other people listening in don't have that issue. I don't want to sound all like.

You know, you and your celebrity status, your influencer status.

Definitely not really celebrity status, but you get what I'm saying? But either way, I mean, everybody comes.

Up to me, Ben, and they're like, dude, are you the sidekick on the Ben Full Life podcast? I'm like, yeah, that's me.

That's me. So, yeah, people do want to talk. People do want to talk. Number two, you underestimate how much new acquaintances like you. So after meeting someone at a party, you might go home and think, boy, I was awkward. They probably think I'm a real goober. It actually said goober in the article. What's goober? They say goober like an old, like, deep Southern saying.

We use that pretty well. We use that pretty often here in the South. Yeah.

What's goo. What. How. What would somebody who's a goober be? Just, like, socially awkward or.

It's kind of like, awkward. Yeah, socially awkward. Just kind of like a little bit, like, off.

Goober's just an awkward word. Okay. Well, anyways, they say. Actually, they probably don't. Researchers call the mismatch between what you think people think of you and what they really do think of you the liking gap. And it can last a long time. We tend to spend a lot of time ruminating on how poorly we think we came off to others. But in reality, most of the time, people liked you a lot more than you think that they actually liked you, or at least they disliked you far less than you think that they disliked you. So basically, you're your own harshest judge when it comes to social interactions, which I think makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Number three, you underestimate how much people will care about intimate disclosures. Most people say they'd like to move beyond small talk to have deeper and more meaningful conversations with new acquaintances. But they're reluctant to share the kind of revelations that would make those deeper conversations possible because they think it'll be awkward, and they don't think people will be interested. But in reality research, those people care about the intimate details of your life more than you think.

Yeah, like with. With the proverbial line in the sand. There's, like, some things, like times where people just go a little bit too far, and you're sitting next to the person on the plane and they want to tell you about their sex life. It's never happened to me. I guarantee it's happened to somebody.

Growth that just sprouted from my left butt cheek that's red, has a hair coming out the middle of it. What do you think of that?

We're talking just a psychological. We're talking.

I mean, this happened to me last night at pickleball. Someone came up to me and said, hey, you know, how is so and so doing? It was someone who we both deeply cared about. And I went just, like, straight into this conversation about, like, sexual trauma and.

Relationships and, you know, in substance abuse discussions. And there was a brief second where we're like, we're standing on a pickleball court talking about, this is kind of awkward. But then it was way more meaningful than them just coming up and being like, I don't know. Hey, this snow is crazy, isn't it? Did you have as hard a time driving here as I did? I think that when we get into these intimate details, it does allow us to connect to humans on a far deeper level. And you're right, Jay, you don't want to overshare. But sometimes I think that not going deep puts us in this shallow conversation mode, and we'll leave a dinner party or something, asking ourselves, geez, what actually occurred there besides us, like, eating food that we're going to poop out three days later and having a martini. Right. Versus having those deep conversations. And that's where I actually really like owning, like, one of those table topic sets or conversation starter sets, which obviously the party section of any bookstore has a ton that you can thumb through, and so does Amazon, if you want to look at them before you get them. But just having a few of those around, we do them as a family sometimes. And you don't take them to a restaurant with you, with friends, or take them out on social outings, but they Start to train you about some conversations that are really interesting. I think the most interesting is there's a essay you can find online somewhere. It's called like 36 questions that make people Fall in Love. And they actually did research on questions that if asked over time, cause love and a relationship to blossom. So anyways, get comfortable asking questions that are a little bit deeper then how about them? Red Sox. Okay. You underestimate how much someone else will be thinking about you. After conversing, you have a meaningful and interesting conversation with a stranger and find yourself chewing on the things discussed in the hours and even days afterwards. You figure the conversation didn't feel as significant to the other person. They're not doing the same. But that's wrong. Studies demonstrate people remain on their conversation partners minds more than they knew and remember their stories and revisit their advice. That's really good information. I mean, if you're going to say something that's uplifting to someone or help them out, don't discount how much that might actually mean to them and how much they're going to remember that and think about it even after you've left.

Yeah, for sure.

Really important point.

I wonder if. I'm sure I should probably know this in my psychology studies. I wonder though if there has been studies to demonstrate how people might focus on maybe negative aspects of the conversation both for themselves and things that the other person says. Whether we're internalizing things that they said and interpreting it in our own kind of. Kind of crazy narrative or distorted narrative. I think what this article is getting at is how we can underestimate kind of the power of our words in a positive direction and how much they are thinking about that conversation and that interaction. I would assume that probably the opposite side of that spectrum is also true. But yes, to put a damper on everything. I thought I should throw that in there.

Yeah, yeah. And there's actually a scientific term for it. It's called the thought gap after conversation underestimating the frequencies of others thoughts about us. So yeah, people think about the conversations you have and ruminate on them for better or worse long after you've had them longer than you'd think. Number five, you underestimate how willing people are to help you. We're often reluctant to ask for help because we figure the people we ask are likely to say no. And even if they say yes, they'll feel put out by their request. But studies show people are much more likely to comply with requests for help from people more than people predict and feel more positively about giving help. And I think it's. It's a way of making friends. Right. Wasn't it Benjamin Franklin who asked one of his enemies or rivals or political rivals or something like that to. It was something simple from a help standpoint. I think it was to borrow a book. And it was, I believe, as a way of developing some kind of friendship with that person. I could be totally bastardizing that story.

You're right. Is either him or Teddy Roosevelt. I think it might be Benjamin Franklin. You might be right. But it was like the most prized possession of that individual. So it wasn't just like any other book. So what he was asking for was a huge ask, and he didn't think he was going to be willing to do it, but he did. So, yeah, it was. It was a famous figure in history. I just don't remember then who it was.

But, yeah, I tried that with my neighbor. It actually worked out pretty well. I trespassed across her lawn, and she's very particular about her lawn. And she got kind of mad and she called and left a voicemail and told me that I wasn't allowed near her house anymore. And so two days later, I called her back and asked her if I could play pickleball on her pickleball court. And it actually wound up being something she said yes to. And we're quite friendly with each other now. Nice. There you go. I asked her for help, and it wound up establishing and fostering a connection.

Oh, I thought the takeaway was just trespass. And you know, you'll make best friends with your neighbor. One thing, Ben, if listeners have not read either of these two books, they should, but it talks about. So one of the best books I've ever read on the law of reciprocity, which is basically kind of like the give and take law, if you will, is a book called influence by Dr. Robert Cialdini.

Oh, man, that is good.

It is phenomenal. And so we had to read it in, like, a social psychology class, numerous social psychology classes when I was in school. But it's still just a phenomenal read for so many people to come across, whether you're in sales or if you just genuinely want to know how to connect better to people, talking about reciprocity and just doing things for people without asking or expecting anything, like, you'll still probably get something back from them. It's just a matter of asking.

And he has all sorts of cool little tips in there, like if you're going to ask for a favor, because I've Used this before when I've been late for a flight. You give a reason and you're far more likely to get that favor. Like let's say that you're, you're. Well, late for a flight's an obvious one. Like, my flight is late. Can I cut in line? Or I'm sorry, I'm late for my flight, it's departing right now. Can I cut in front of you? You're going to get more than. Of course, kind of just cut in front of you in line. But then there are other things. Like let's say you are at a coffee shop and I think there was another book related to this about asking for a discount on a coffee. You're far more likely to get a discount if you say something like, hey, I am a frequent customer here and I also, my dog got sick this month and I had a huge vet bill, so I'm really trying to watch my dollars, so to speak. Is there any way that you might be able to give me a 10% discount on the coffee? Or maybe you could try this tactic and get the person in front of you or behind you to pay for your coffee. But anyways, basically Robert's like this whole, you know, study or student of human behavior and he basically says when you ask someone to do you a favor, you're going to be far more successful if you provide a reason. People like to have reasons for what they do. And I mean, the whole book's just jam packed with good stuff like that.

It's so good. Yeah, that one. And then how to Win Friends and Influence People by Carnegie. It's like another just like phenomenal classic that people need to read. That talks a lot about that rule as well.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay, let's do. I'm going. I want to make sure that we get a chance to take a few questions from Twitter. But let's choose. Let's go with one more from this article and then I'll link to the article for folks who actually want to read it. So go to BenGreenfieldLife.com 4:54 let's go. Let's maybe go with the last one. You underestimate how much someone will appreciate you checking in with them. Right? Like you write a text to an old friend, say, hey, I was just thinking about you today. How have you been? And then you think, gosh, there's gotta think I'm weird for reaching out of the blue like that. But research finds people appreciate a check in message more than you think. And often the more surprising it is, or the more distant you've been, the more that it makes their day, which I think is really cool. And I weave this into my own life in a variety of ways. I'll give you two examples. The first is pretty obvious. I call my mom. I call my dad too, but I call my mom pretty frequently. And sometimes I think, gosh, I'm calling her up. I only have five minutes. I'm literally just going to say, hey, mom, how are you?

Tell me about what you we did this morning. Right. But that is it. It's appreciated. It doesn't have to be some big long chat, but people really appreciate you checking in with them. The other thing I have is there's a variety of people who I've committed to. Like, we've been out to dinner and I've said, how can I pray for you? Or I've met them and I've helped them in some way or established a connection and I want to keep in touch with them. I actually use a service called. Well, there's one called Relatable that's really good. I don't use that because I just. Basically, I found out about Relatable after I already started using this other one.

I didn't.

I was too lazy to move everything over. I use one called TextMagic. And so I've got all these different lists in TextMagic of collections of different friends and contacts who I want to check in with and when I want to check in. Sometimes there's like 20 different people. And so I send the text, magic text, to the whole group. When it arrives, it doesn't have the whole group cc'd. It's coming individually from me. People can reply individually and respond. I'm very straightforward. I don't pretend that I'm sending an individual personalized text, when in fact it is a group text. But I actually tell these people, hey, I occasionally will send interesting information, texts, encouragement quotes, etc. To some of my close friends or VIPs. Would you care if I added you to that? And about one or two times a month, I'll come across an interesting quote or inspirational image or something I want to say, or a new book I read that I thought was really good, or YouTube video I want to share and I share it with these people. I don't think I've ever actually once, one time, this one person who I probably didn't get, didn't get to know well enough or something, they replied with that one text stopping line, stop. But besides that, everybody's just like they love it. And at one point I stopped for a while and I saw one of my friends at a party and the reason I stopped for a while was I was having some tech issues with the software and they're like, how come you don't text me anymore? And I'm like, oh, oh wow. Like this actually means something. Those brief check ins. So check in with people and don't worry if you gotta figure out a way to scale it like I did. Especially if you have a big relationship capital network, it's about the checking in that counts. So I thought that was a really good one too. Research finds people at appreciate a check in message more than you'd think. I like that this article has a lot of research back stuff too. They're not just, you know, blowing smoke or throwing stuff up.

Yeah, it's good, it's good. The one part about checking in that I have really enjoyed both giving and then receiving is also checking in, but then doing it also with gratitude. So just saying, you know, something that you're grateful for. You know, I thought about you today. Just something as simple as that. When I receive those types of messages, but also when I send them, there's something that just kind of goes right to the heart and soul, which is, which is pretty cool. So I, I think that the gratitude component, when also adding it to the check in component can be a really great, great flair if you will.

Also emoticons, hardy emoticons. Maybe a gorilla and a deer and like the little flaming fire eggplant. Peach. Yeah. Not the eggplant.

No, no.

Is the peach a thing too? Is, is the peach the peach?

Is the butt? Yeah. Okay, the butt.

Yeah. I didn't know that I knew what the eggplant was. I didn't know the peaches.

That's why I've been sending you peaches all the time.

Ah, now you know. I know. Okay, awkward. Okay, last one. The National Journal of Strength Conditioning Research published something that I was kind of aware of already, but they researched it and it was on isometric training and its influence on dynamic sprint performance. You wouldn't think that isometrics, meaning dropping into a certain position and holding it with a high amount of tension without moving, would be something that would result in better performance while moving. But what this study found was there was a significant impact in sprint performance when isometric training was included in one's training protocol. Now I'm actually a pretty big fan of isometric training. I use it with a lot of my clients. I think that I First got really into isometric training when I met so. So Dave Asprey had a conference and it was like the very first ever biohacking conference. It was in, I think it was in San Francisco. And I interviewed a guy who I met at that conference named Jay Schroeder. And Jay basically had an old school Russian ARP electrostimulation device that he attached. It was just a handful of guys like me, Aubrey Marcus, the fat burning guy, Abel James was there.

It's kind of funny because a lot of people who were there initially, they're now like big podcasters and fitness bloggers and stuff. We were all just like nobodies, like whatever. Fifteen years ago we went to Dave Asprey's conference and, and it was tiny. It was just like there was literally like maybe a couple dozen people in this tiny little basement room in San Francisco, but there were some of these bioacting things there. And Jay Schroeder, who trains a bunch of NFL athletes, Olympic trainers, marathoners, etc, he's super into combining long isometric holds with electrical muscle stimulation. Now I interviewed him and I'll link to that interview about this whole program that he uses where he combines the two. But obviously those Russian ARP units, like the newbie is an example of that. And I've done an interview on the newbie before. They're expensive. I mean, we're talking like ten thousand plus dollar machines. But you don't have to have one of those to get the benefits of isometric training. Although I would argue that blood flow restriction bands can definitely amp up the benefits of an isometric exercise. But the idea behind them is that they, they allow you to recruit more muscle while you're training. And they've actually, they actually found you can build muscle just as effectively as other muscle building exercises. Meaning like an isotonic exercise, which would be the traditional training where you're moving a joint through full range of motion, or isokinetic exercise where the muscle is kept at a certain speed during exercise. That would be like the ARX machine, for example. Well, isometric exercise, what you get is this huge increase in what's called peak tension. So your mitochondria and what's called your sarcoplasmic protein synthesis, that gets increased in some cases by over 100% when you're doing isometric training because of the amount of force demand that's placed on a tissue. Because when you're moving a muscle through the range of motion, your muscle only hits peak tension during a tiny, tiny fraction of that movement. But when you're on isometrics, like doing a deep squat hold versus moving through a barbell or dumbbell or goblet squat, or doing a long push up hold while instead of doing a regular push up or you know, for example, I do a lot of this stuff using my power plate vibration platform, like a long bridge hold versus doing Romanian deadlifts or a bridge. They've actually shown there's a lot of interesting research behind this, a huge increase in the amount of muscle fibers that are activated over and above moving. Which is probably why there's this crossover effect into performance and why guys who train, you know, NFL athletes like Jay Schoder, for example, will use this type of training to get really good results. Now you can of course go cheap old school style and just do push up position holds at the hardest range of motion, squat position holds, you know, boat holds like an abdominal core hollow position. But there are some pretty cool devices out there. Like there's this one book, it's called the Ultimate Isometrics Manual. It's this manual of all the best isometric exercises out there. But in that manual is a device that they use, and I have one out in my gym. I don't use it it as much because I'm just, I don't know, maybe it's because I'm mentally weak. Isometric training is kind of mentally demanding because you're like, it's rough, you're pushing and you're not moving. It'd be like somebody saying, hey, go like bench press or push against this wall as hard as you can for two minutes. In my book, pushing against the wall as hard as you can for two minutes is way more mentally demanding than it's like bench pressing. But I got this thing, it's called ISO chain. So the 1, 2 combo of having that ISO chain. And I used it for a few months when I first got it just to experiment with it, and it was incredibly effective. Because the other cool thing about isometric exercises is you're far less likely to incur injury because you're not moving the joint through a range of motion. So you can just keep coming back over and over and over again and doing a lot of these big exercises, you know, including like chest press, squat, deadlift, curl, like you name it, but you're just holding the bar. It's got a little force plate in there telling you how much force you're producing. It's a cool idea. So it's called ISO Chain. And the name of that book, if you want Like a manual for this is called the Ultimate Isometrics Manual. So that's one good resource. Another interesting one, Another book, and this is one I've used more often with my clients and with myself. I typically throw in about anywhere from a 6 to a 12 week block during the year where I do this style of training. It's called Neuromass. Neuromass. And it's a book written by John Bruni. Super interesting. But this is basically a series of sets you do. They do like a set for the chest, a set for the back, except for the arms, except for the legs, et cetera. But it's what's called a grinding movement where you're doing super slow. Let's use a squat for an example. Just a body weight squat or a very lightly loaded squat. Super slow squat, like 30 seconds up, 30 seconds down. And you do that for around two minutes. So a lot of time under tension and then a speed or explosive movement so the muscle's already exhausted. And then you'll do like 10 jump squats right after you've done those super slow grinding squats. And then the final component of the Neuro set is you then drop into an isometric position and hold for as long as you can. It's crazy hard and crazy effective, especially if you have minimal training equipment. So again, grind for like it can. It doesn't have to be as long as two minutes. It could even be for just 60 to 90 seconds. So super slow then same type of exercise, but explode through that range of motion. You were just doing super slow for a very short period of time, like 10 to 15 seconds. And then finish dropping into the hardest range of motion for that movement that you've just done the grind and the explosive movement with. And hold that for 30 to 60 seconds. So it's called Neuromath mass. John has a bunch of research in his book behind it, but it actually works really well. All the clients who I've programmed that with like they, they report back and a, they love it even though it is kind of mentally demanding. Because the isometric component especially, you burn a bunch when you do this. If you use blood flow restriction bands when you do neuromass, it is next level.

But again, that's exactly what I was just about to ask you. If there was an advantage or if there was potential disadvantages to doing that workout with a BFR band. Yeah, but let's say it was somebody who's maybe not as trained. It seems like that could be pretty intense to do. With bfr. But if someone's maybe well conditioned, might.

Make sense, I think. Definite advantages. Yeah, yeah. And he has the whole program laid out in there. And so that neuromass book is really good. So that'd be another one that would not require something big like the ISO chain. And then the last one. My wife laughs at me sometimes, as have some of my seatmates on long airplane flights. Lights. But I've always got this little thing in my bag. It's called Activ 5, spelled with no E, a C, T, I V5. It's a tiny little force transducer. I think the guy who told me about it was Adam Van Rothfelder from Strong Coffee, who was like the personal trainer, won that TV show strong. And he was. I think he was over at my house and he had it in his bag and he took it out and took me through a little mini workout with it. But what it does, it ties to a phone app and it gamifies. You'll be like flying a spaceship. And when you want the spaceship to go faster, you press harder. And during the recovery period, you kind of let off a little bit. And you can do anything from like chest press, shoulder press, curls, triceps. But it's this tiny little thing, smaller than a cell phone. And by pressing against it and then also having that phone app in front of you, that's kind of like walking you through the whole workout. And all the workouts are short. They're like 10 to 20 minutes long. Some are a little shorter than that. Man. For like, we drive to Seaside, Oregon, for example, for family vacation in the summers. And I'll typically give myself a challenge of doing three isometric workouts on the six hour drive down and then three more on the six hour drive back. And I'll be like sweating. And I got the window rolled down because I'm starting to get funky and my wife's laughing and I'm grunting and grinding like I'm taking a crap. And it's. It's again, like the size of a hockey puck. It's actually a pretty cool device, especially because it gamifies everything, tracks all your force, tracks your results. And there's just like this little dot that's rising and falling. I think I said spaceship. I don't think it's a spaceship. It's more like a Pac man style dot. But anyways, that thing is cool for isometric training too. Yeah, it's basically biofeedback. Yeah. And speaking of taking little work breaks, perfect for a cubicle or workstation if she wants to stop and do some isometrics. I'm flying to Portugal on Friday to speak at this Six Senses retreat for a week. And I guarantee, like, I'll. I'll get at least two of those workouts in on the flight to Portugal and two on the way back. And, you know, I'll wear deodorant and make sure I don't get too funky. But yeah, it, it works amazingly well. That's cool.

Have you ever used that, the grip isometric trainer? I think it's called Zona Plus. They sent me one years ago and, and I tried. I think they use it more for, like, hypertension, high blood pressure.

It's. It's FDA approved for high blood pressure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's. That's a pretty interesting device, too. I didn't know if that was. It had any other application other than, like, you know, for high blood pressure and, you know, grip strength. Maybe it could be a potential small.

Esque isometric workout, but I own one and I've used it and compared to just like those freaking, like, captains of crush hand grip strengtheners, it's not that difficult. I mean, it's kind of difficult, but it's more like medical management of high blood pressure, which it works for. My mom has high blood pressure and I got one for her. And it's, you know, flies under the radar compared to BP meds or, like, you know, beat infrared, sauna, magnesium, a lot of these other natural modalities that are often recommended for blood pressure, but it actually does work and they've got good research behind it.

That's cool.

Yeah. Nice. Yeah. So I'll link to all that stuff, all those articles, podcasts, books, little devices articles, which I just said twice. I must be tired in the show notes@bengreenfieldlife.com 4:54 Now, I know that we are a little bit. I don't. I think I misused the phrase long in the tooth, don't I? Long in the tooth means old people give you.

People give you shit about that.

Hey, I just caught myself.

You did catch yourself. So everybody's gonna sing the praises now.

All right.

Yeah.

So here's the deal. If you're on Twitter right now, come online and ask a question, you can raise your hand somehow to ask it, and then when you ask the question or when you raise your hand, we'll bring you online and we'll pump up the volume. Pump up the volume and you can ask your question.

Did that fly over your head by the Way, Jay. I said pump up the volume just like they do in the song.

No, I love it, man.

Oh, here we go. Garden. Okay, Garden of words. Go ahead and ask your question now.

All right. Can you hear me?

Yes.

Okay, perfect.

All right.

Thanks for doing the space, you guys. So I was going to say my question is at the beginning of the year, I was kind of praying about the year to come. And one of the things that became apparent was that this year I wasn't going to have any alcohol. And so I gave up alcohol and subsequently kind of. I think I've been consuming probably more coffee and probably more calories in the evening. And I just wanted to pick your brain and see if you have any thoughts. But I've noticed that my skin seems to be a little bit more. Irritable is the right word. More like just like kind of acne. Just things that get bothered. You know, if I have an ingrown hair, it just gets really irritated, which is. This is new. It's definitely a change. And my wife commented on it, too. And so I don't know if you guys have any thoughts specifically with that context. That's the only thing that I can pinpoint that's really definitely changed from the past five years.

Wait, you quit drinking alcohol and now you feel like your skin is getting irritated?

Yeah.

The only reason I included that, because I wouldn't think those are directly linked, but I've been increasing coffee consumption and a little increase in calories. But I just was curious, even just in general, about your ideas about how to support for, I don't know, pimples and ingrown hairs and stuff. They just seem to be more prevalent.

Did you make other, like, major dietary changes besides removing alcohol?

Not really. So for the first two months, I just noticed that in the evenings, I did start drinking decaf coffee in the evenings. And so I've kind of recently cut back a little bit just because I. I was drinking like four or five cups a day, two or three caffeinated. But the only thing that I came across was there was an interview with Paul Check, and I think it was Wade Lightfoot as well. And he talked about parasites potentially, and coffee.

The skin irritations. But that's the only thing.

But I'm just curious because I've been.

Doing research on it.

Yeah, I. I think, I suspect what's. What's going on here now? Okay, cool. So anytime that we make a dietary change and we remove something from the diet, that often gets replaced by something else. And sometimes the unhealthy thing that we removed is helping us out from a health standpoint, but the thing that we thought was healthy that we replaced it with is causing issues. In this case, you're right. Not only can a lot of people run into fringe, not often expected.

Issues from a gut standpoint when they add in a whole bunch of what was technically a legume or a bean, like coffee. But coffee is, I guess, back to Dave Asprey. He kind of made this popular. It can be a notoriously dirty food like mold, mycotoxins, and even parasite components. So let's cut straight to the chase since I know we're starting to run out of time on this podcast. And I'm going to tell you because there's like, it's dizzying the number of, like, parasite eradication protocols that are out there. You could always, like, take a stab in the dark, try what I would consider to be the best parasite eradication protocol that I've used and see if it clears up your skin while simultaneously switching to, like, really organic clean coffee. I didn't pay you to come on and ask this question, but I do know good coffee companies.

What company would you choose? Ben, out of all the companies, what would you choose?

Yeah, it starts with a K, and mine's with Leon anyways, though, so best parasite eradication protocol in my book. High dose oil of oregano combined with proteolytic enzymes for two weeks while cutting out anything that feeds the yeast, namely fermented sugary drinks like Kombucha beer, which it sounds like you've already eliminated.

Wine, starches, sugars, yeast. Love to eat those critters or those critters love to eat sugar. So avoid that stuff. And then what I mean by oregano and proteolytic enzymes, basically, and this is probably what you heard from Wade because he has a company that makes high dose proteolytic enzymes and they actually work. So his are called Mast Zymes Tion makes one called Flex. The way that I have my clients do it who get parasites and this just knocks them out flat and they're clean when they retest. When they do a stool test within a couple of weeks, we dose with oil of oregano, like a full dropper full of two of really potent oil of oregano. It's okay to put it in water three times a day for two weeks because parasites, it's nasty to think about, but their eggs hatch and they come out at different times. You got to hit it over and over and over again. This is not to be misconstrued as medical advice, by the way. I'm not a doctor. Proceed at your own risk. This is just what I would do if I were in your shoes. So high dose oil of oregano, amazing. For candida, yeast, fungus, et cetera, which can manifest topically by the way, as can some of these parasitic issues. And then you combine that with high dose proteolytic enzymes. The way I do that is 12 kion flex in the morning, 12 kion flex in the evening, which breaks down the biofilm that the candida reside in. If you get gastric upset from that much kion flex, you can go as low as six in the morning, six in the evening. So it's oil of oregano three times a day, which crushes parasites. They hate that stuff. Combined with high dose enzymes. In this case I'll use the kion flex. But that bioptimizer stuff that Wade's company makes will also work. And you do that morning and evening with the oil of oregano and with cutting out the sugars and the starches that feed the yeast. And that just freaking works. So that's what I would do. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I like it. Yeah, yeah.

You know what, I wanna, I wanna just make one comment. And again, this is me not making any assumptions on his end on how much alcohol he was in taking versus none now. But one of the things that I've seen kind of clinically in working with patients is that individuals who go from drinking, you know, let's say appreciable amounts of alcohol to no alcohol, especially if they're using it as a stress mitigation tactic when the alcohol is there, it can actually be quite effective. In the short term, we know it has a lot of long term deleterious effects, but in the short term, a lot of people's anxiety gets relieved when they drink, you know, alcohol. Then when they come off of it, the body kind of going through its tolerance and withdrawal effects alongside. If there aren't kind of like these effective mechanisms for managing stress, then we'll see people actually break out in their skin. We'll see them have other kind of gut related issues. We see all of these things start to manifest because they didn't replace that behavior that was helping them to mitigate the effects of stress. They didn't replace it with something adaptive. And so again, I'm not saying that's something that he's dealing with, but if anybody else is doing something like that, have noticed symptoms arise that are either similar to what he's experiencing or otherwise. I think stress is a key component that, again, it may not be the most sexy topic in the world, but it's one that everybody has to address.

Yeah. Yep, I agree. So fringe question. But I feel so much closer, so much closer to Garden of. What's his name? Brett. Brett Garden of Words. Feel so much closer now that he shared something vulnerable with us. As we've learned in today's podcast, we're out of time. We are out of time. Yeah. However, I would highly recommend that you go to the show notes@bengreenfieldlife.com 454 if you want to leave your own comments, your feedback, your questions for Jay or for me and Jay, are you ready to go do a. Do an isometric squat hold while eating a salad full of ground flax seeds, Go on a walk and meet somebody new and share something vulnerable and embarrassing with them? I think that's everything that we learned.

That's the plan. That's everything that we learned. So I'll do all of the above.

Right now and inquire as to whether or not they have a parasite and if so, you know how to help them.

Now that I do.

All right, folks, well, that's all for now. Thanks for listening in. And. Oh, you heard me. Read a little bit about boundless parenting in the very beginning. The intro of this podcast, available now. Boundlessparentingbook.com can read more about what Brian Johnson feeds his kids besides liver and testicles. There you have it. All right, have an amazing day, folks. Over and out.