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At the most, I'll put some good old fashioned butter MCT oil or coconut oil in my coffee and go with that. If I eat early in the day, I find myself getting sleepier. So really my go to meal in the morning is nothing.

Never in my life had I ate that much fat in a day. Like my whole career as a trainer. We demonize fat. I mean, that's what we were taught when we first started training. You would tell clients like, stay away from the fat.

I'm totally into Mace bell swings. I'm totally into Indian club swinging. Lots of rotational work there that I can apply with, get some good tension there.

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Should I explain what we're doing?

Are we recording right now?

Okay.

All right, so. So I've got a. I've got Adam over here to my left. Adam, how are your legs feeling?

You know what, dude? They feel pretty fantastic. I can't. I can't bend them.

So Adam is decked out in Norma tech grade aided compression boots. He's very, very sore from his long. What'd you do yesterday? A scooter session.

He did that. He did walking lunges in a robot class.

Oh, yeah. He did a lot of Zumba.

Yeah.

So his. His legs are pretty sore and he's. He's standing in the norm. I've never actually stood in those. Usually lay in them. How's it feel to stand in them?

Well, it would be a little more comfortable probably to lay down, but I'm not gonna lie, standing up is not bad either.

Mm.

It actually. The air fills up underneath my feet, so I feel like I'm walking on, like, down pillow.

You just have to make sure you don't have your. Your dick caught. And either the left or the right side of that. That graded compression can get a little bit uncomfortable up towards your hips, I think.

Well, he puts it down his leg pants, so I don't know.

Right. It's like occlusion therapy for your genitals.

And then we've got a.

We've got Sal over here. Now, Sal has a probe up his nose, possibly elsewhere, but right now the one we can see is in his nose.

Yeah, we're not filming the other one.

And he's got. He's got laser lights upon his head. He's wearing a neuro. That's photobiomodulation for your head that causes nitric oxide to get released in neural tissue and activates mitochondria in neural tissue.

Is that why I'm having weird thoughts or is that just not. That's actually normal.

No, it's mostly just. Just why you didn't get Alzheimer's in the past 10 minutes.

Okay.

Yeah, well, there actually did develop that for Alzheimer's patients, so. Yeah, see, you didn't get Alzheimer's.

It works.

And then Justin is wearing the re timer, greenish blue light producing glasses. He's also got the human charger in ear photo therapy device going on. So basically a. He's not gonna sleep at all tonight.

Oh, man.

And he's. It's like he's bathing in natural sunshine. And then I've got a. I've got a electro stimulation pouring into my shoulder. Electrostimulation goodness pouring into my shoulder. And I have gifts for you guys. Oh, I. I come bearing. I come bearing gifts.

Thank you.

So you guys get to decide who gets what, but I've got a bottle of organic Pinot noir.

That's.

That's gonna be micro filtration old world wine with no sulfites, no additives, completely organic.

Beautiful.

That's all I drink. Unless I'm drinking tequila, vodka, rum, whiskey, beer, or other wine, that's all I drink. I have a bag of extremely fine Mexican sea salt. Oh, this stuff is bomb. It. It has over 80 different minerals in it, which is, frankly, just a bunch of marketing bull. Just about all salt has 80 different minerals in it. But what I like about that is it's. It's. It's clumpy. I like, put that on top of my smoothies and, like, salt that you can. Can chew.

And this might be worth a lot more money coming up here now with the. The wall and everything. You never know. You might not be able to get this.

It makes anything taste good. So when we go out to dinner tonight, if the food is. You just bring. And I actually travel with a bag of that in my bag, and I'll bring it out to restaurant. Like, whole. Like, you got a whole food salad bar, right?

Excellent.

Just. It'll just make any salad.

Excellent.

I have a.

A.

A bar of extremely, extremely fine from New York, custom made for me. Peanut butter, dark cacao, raw chocolate from Fruition Chocolate in New York. I interviewed a guy named Kevin Rose on my podcast.

I'll take that.

A few weeks ago, you got. Now, if you really like dark, dark, dark chalk, my kids don't like it because it's like bitter cacao. Like, it's. It's.

We're talking, like.

We're talking, like, nootropic level cacao, where you can feel the nitric oxide and it's like eating beets.

Oh, wow.

Extremely good stuff, though.

That.

That. That is some of the finest chocolate you can get from New York. And then since we're gonna go play laser tag tonight in the biggest laser tag castle in North America, I figured each of you could use a little microdose of shrooms. Yeah. Oh, 0.4 grams of fine psilocybin extract. I've got one for Doug too. Doug, I'll put yours over there. And if you pop that about an hour before we hit the laser tag castle. I can't guarantee you'll win laser tag, but you'll have a lot of fun.

Well, I feel like I. I really want. I don't know what your thoughts were on this when we go, but. But I kind of want us to be on a team and, like, Joe some little kids up.

Well, that's the thing, is we can take my kids and just basically up my kids and run around and shoot.

The only reason I bring my children to play Laser Quest is to boost my score, tell them I love them, and stand in front of me, guard me.

They do make good. They do make good on a quote team, unquote. And we play so excellent. So, yeah, thank you for optimizing.

We're all booze. Salted, chocolated, up.

Yeah.

On biohacked.

Let's get this stuff fired up.

Booyah.

You know, that. That was. Those. Quite the task to get everything. Do you think we should have called the Geek Squad from best?

I don't know, because Doug's pretty geeky.

They have a pretty. They have a pretty cool car. They must be good at fixing.

I guess so you can probably get. No, you're good.

They have, like, a DW Bugs. I think it's like a Toyota Scion. Is it? Yeah, it used to be the Bug.

Like, when they redid those.

It was. Yeah, it was.

It's like, ooh, cool.

I tell you what, your. Your hospitality, man. Really appreciate it.

Yeah, yeah.

Every time we come here.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. Very nice.

You even got to try some emulsified MCT Oil.

I poured it right in my face.

Which you learned. You. You asked a stupid question, you idiot.

I did.

You.

You. I do.

Said you gotta get out like the. Like the blender to. To blend the. Emulsified. That's. That's. That's redundant.

Write it down.

You have to blend. Emulsify that well. Idiot.

Well, I poured it inside my mouth straight, anyway.

Yeah, yeah. Emulsified.

I think I did it the wrong way, too.

MCT oil.

No, the question was, can you do it as an enema? And he thought that was a stupid question because of course you can.

You know, both of our podcasts are occasionally sponsored by Chimera Coffee, and they may just burst through the walls and crucify us today. Because that wasn't Chimera.

Oh, it wasn't.

That was. That was my mom's redneck blend from Idaho.

That's why it's not.

She orders, actually. No, no, seriously. I enjoyed it growing Up. My dad used to order coffee beans from all over the world.

Really?

Rica, Guatemala, Tanzania. All these different green coffee beans and big burlap sacks would show up to our house and my dad would roast coffee beans using this, like thirty thousand dollar old school classic. What's called the Dietrich Coffee Roaster from Sandpoint, Idaho. That was like, what he did as a job was just to roast coffee and sell it.

So being cool, so being abnormally into things is obviously genetic.

Yeah, it's passed down.

It's. It's a little bit odd. Yeah. Of course, he also actually became a monk over in Vashan island in Washington. You lie. So next up for me is celibacy.

Are you kidding me? You lie.

If I use that ball light over in the corner.

Hold on.

You can't just graze sitting on that. You can't just say your dad's a.

Monk and graze over that. Is that true?

He was a monk for, for a couple of years, and then he moved to India and started doing like, like water treatment and providing structured water for animals and agricultural facilities in India.

Are you with me right now?

Now he's. Now he's importing minerals from China and making special, like, water filtration units that mineralize your water.

You literally just answered every question. Like, it all makes sense now.

Yeah, it does.

Makes complete sense.

The dots are all lining up.

But before that, he was a paramedic, so there's that.

What happened?

Relatively normal job. My dad is a serial entrepreneur.

Okay.

Yeah, well, no, he.

So. So my mom moved from. From Detroit out to Moscow, Idaho, because in Detroit she was involved, heavy with, you know, drugs, sex, rock and roll, and basically got attacked by these, you know, and. And, you know, I'm sure she loves me sharing this kind of stuff on a public podcast.

She.

She got attacked and there was an attempted rape by these four big black guys that broke into her office and she like, ran down the hallway and they were all chasing her with guns as she hid under a bunch of boxes. And they eventually couldn't find her and left. And that was like the last straw for her. She's like some. I'm moving to Idaho. So she moved out to Idaho where her sister was living. At the same time, my dad's brother got murdered as they were dealing crack cocaine to Cubans down in Miami, and.

He got murdered in Holy Moses in.

A knife fight with the Cubans. So they moved. Or he moved up to Idaho as well and then met my mom. And.

So when is this motion motion picture come out?

Yeah, this is.

This is crazy. So I grew up in a full Miami slash Detroit city slicker family out in the backwoods.

If I. If I didn't know you, I think you were making it up because it sounds so crazy.

Yeah.

But because I know you and I.

See it all totally lines.

It makes perfect sense. Yeah.

Right, Right. And so. So, yeah. That's where I came from. Yeah.

Wow.

Now. Okay, Rich, give me time.

When.

When is how long ago?

I only know this because I did 23. Andme.

Tells you everything.

Wow. They get really.

Descriptive.

Little cartoon. Is that how you do your commercials now? Exactly. That's what you do. Exactly. Yeah, I'm trying to.

23.

Yeah, exactly. So just. Just to set the context for those of you listening in, perhaps you heard all the gifts. That was kind of like. You guys have read Chronicles of Narnia. Yeah. Like, Aslan gives all the. Like Lucy and Edmund and everyone gifts. Gifts of, like, dark chocolate and psilocybin. Yeah, yeah. This was just like Chronicles of Narnia.

What is that one thing that the kid eats in there all the time? The something. The little gummy. Oh, yeah. Turkish Delight. You ever eat a Turkish Delight?

No.

It's the most delicious gummy candy of all time. It's the original gummy candy.

So there's something to that, huh?

Yeah, it's definitely a delight.

I've actually had Turkish Delight before in Israel. Had Turkish Delight. Yeah, it's like. It's like. It's like a chewy datey. I don't know if it's made with dates. I think it's made with dates.

It's like, almost like a gummy candy, but it's natural. Ish.

Yeah.

And it's covered in powdered sugar, and it's.

It's ketogenic.

Oh, very keto.

Keto.

It's got high levels of branches.

All you have to do is say that, and everyone's gonna be rushing out to buy Turkish. You know what? I would like to.

By the way, so glad you just said by the way.

There's an affiliate code on keto wine.

That you gave me.

Emulsified Turkish Delight.

Okay. The goal today is to see how many sponsors that you could slide in while we're doing little commercials as we're going. See how many you can do. We're talking about all this stuff, right?

Exactly. So.

You guys, this is your second time here, and really, I think, like, the fourth time that we've podcasted together, and there's so many questions I wanted to ask you about. You and if you're listening in, you could go to. I'll link to the other two episodes I did with these guys if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com mindpump3 BenGreenfieldFitness.com Mindpump3 is where you can get the show notes for this episode and also the previous episodes that I've done with these guys. You live down to San Jose, right? Which is where I've been to see your facilities. Yeah.

Cool.

Cool, Jim.

Thanks, man. We had a great time with you there, man.

Yeah, you were like one of our first guests there. It was awesome.

And we've talked about so much on previous episodes and so listening to those episodes, if you're listening in. But I've, I've got some other questions that I want to ask you guys because I'm so curious where you're coming at with like meals and diets and supplements and workouts and all these little things that we haven't had a chance to talk about. So little bit of rapid fire here to get going. I want to start with, with you, Adam ifbb Bodybuilder.

By the way, the sound you hear in the background are his air pants.

He was just farting.

They're just like over and over again. You can hear it like.

Yeah, it's very airy, right?

It's very hugging.

You had lentils for breakfast, I see. Slow release. Those are ketogenic, by the way. They're slow carbs. Slow carbs brought to you by Tim Ferriss. Anyways, so slow carbs, lentils. There we go. Go to meal. Like what would be your goat? Now when I say your go to meal, I'm not talking about like what you fantasize about when, when you're, when you're wasted, like pizza and french fries. But I'm talking about like, for supporting the body and brain. Do you have like staples that you eat that, that you would say? Because I've got like my big ass smoothie that I talk about, my big ass lunchtime salad full of vegetables. Like, do you have that go to meal?

I have, I have a couple, like, go to that I, that I do. Like, I first of all, like a morning, Sunday or Saturday morning, I'll get up and I'll have six whole eggs. I'll get some organic cheese, a whole lot eggs, whole avocado. And then I'll have about eight to ten pieces of bacon. And that's kind of like my.

Holy cow.

That's my morning starter.

First thing now is that like A once a week kind of like refeed on calories type of thing.

Actually, it's the opposite. It sounds like a refeed, right, but it's really not. What I do is I find on Saturday and Sunday I don't move as much as I do during the week. And what I've found that like, if I have, if I have too much carbs in the morning, it kicks up my appetite and then I want to eat, eat all day long. So actually having a big, heavy, high fat, high calorie meal like that that's not really high on carbohydrates early in the morning satiates me all day. So I'll actually only eat that meal and then maybe like a small dinner, like a salad or something at the end of the night because I'm not moving.

Yeah, it's really weird.

I want to ask our resident biochemistry expert, Sal, why is it that those carbs are like making him hungry?

Well, so it's really weird. If you eat a 2000 calorie breakfast, you won't be hungry until much later. It's kind of a weird science going.

It's crazy. If you put 6,000 calories of butter into the blender coffee, it keeps you in a fasted state for a very long time.

No, I think, you know, one of the things is Adam, for a long time, especially when he competed, he was a high carb eater. You know, he averaged anywhere between like 4 to 600 grams of carbohydrates a day in bodybuilding. And he used to say he needed that to maintain fullness. He felt like his muscles would deflate if you didn't have that many carbohydrates. And when we started mind pump, we started talking a lot about different ways of eating. And I was a very big advocate of trying ketogenic style diets. And Adam went and gave it a shot and tried it out. And really, I think what probably happened was he really improved his insulin sensitivity to where now the comments he'll say is he'll eat 200 grams or 300 grams of carbohydrates and that does the same thing that 600 grams of carbohydrates used to do. So I think if you probably have a high carb breakfast now, you probably get that insulin. You know, you're so sensitive to it now, you get that insulin, you know, spike and then crash, which is, which is fine, right?

So, so the insulin is, is driving glucose into muscle tissue to be conserved.

As glycogen, and then it's gone.

And then you run out and then you're Hypoglycemia.

That's it, exactly.

Yeah. That's really interesting though with bodybuilding, because I used to restrict carbohydrates when I was a bodybuilder for almost like that carb loading effect. So the same idea could be said for like endurance sports. So when you restrict carbohydrates, what that does is it upregulates your glycogen synthase so you can actually stock away more glycogen when you actually do eat carbs. So I would keep myself low carb until before the show, the whole way.

Or a cycle because I slowly as.

Much as possible and then I'd eat, and then I'd eat a bunch of carbs before the show so that I amped up my glycogen stores and the fullness of the muscle before the show. And, and they do the same thing now. They've done some studies with cyclists, for example, where you restrict carbohydrates as much as possible and then, then leading up or in the days leading up to the event, that's when you load if you want to maximize your glycogen.

I, I actually did like every show I did something different. Like so. And I typically ran cycles, so between three and five day cycles where. And I would mess around with how low I would go. So Sal says it was right about 4 to 600 grams of carbs was like, it would keep me around my caloric intake. That would either be putting me in a slight deficit. 400 was a deficit. 600 was like maintenance for me, you know, give or take. And then I would cycle down. So I'd run like a day that would be, I'd go 400, then I go like 200, 150. And then I'd push below 100 one day and then I'd go back and refeed again. But when I, I started to find like when I get below when I was so dependent on carbohydrates. This was before we got into ketogenic. I, I felt like if I had anything under about a hundred, I'd start to get headaches and it was really, really rough for me. And so competing was, you know, kind of miserable those couple weeks leading into Showtime, which I'm sure you're familiar with. But once I got out of competing and we started kind of doing research on ketogenic, we had Dom d' Agostino on the show.

Yeah.

And these, he, Sal was the first one to get into it and he was like, you got to do this, bro. You just got to see how you feel and, like, why I love carbs and the fact that I could eat 4 to 600 and maintain the physique that I want. But then I thought, you know what? That's totally opposite of what we talk about. What we preach on our show is like, you know, I'm like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to. I'm going to go through the process and I'm going to assess it and see how I feel. And I was blown away, actually, because never in my life had I ate that much fat in a day. Like, my whole career as a trainer. Like, we demonize fat.

Yeah.

I mean, that's what we were taught. I mean, when we first started training, like, you would tell clients, like, stay away from the fat, you know.

Now, did you have to take a bunch of. Because I find this happens with some of the people who, like, you know, come to me for nutrition coaching or read a book on ketosis or something like that, and they have a bunch of stomach issues because they need to take bile extract and lipase and all these enzymes to help their bodies actually be able to digest the fat. Do you. Do you have to do that, or did you have to do that when you switched?

Yeah. You have a good tolerance to fat, right?

Well, yes and no. Like, you know, like, for example, you know, you. I don't. You mess around with, like, bulletproof coffee and stuff like that. Right. With the whole butter MCT and everything.

Mostly of my butt.

Well, when. When. The first time I ever.

I actually, by the way, I don't.

You.

You guys asked me this morning, where's the stuff you put in your coffee? And I was like, I don't know. I don't put.

Oh, I thought you did.

Oh, no, I. I actually only drink my coffee black.

Oh, I didn't know that.

I like to eat my calories.

Well, the. The point is that when I. When I would do this, I think the bulletproof coffee calls for, like, 2 tablespoons of butter, 2 tablespoons of the coconut oil. And it was just way too strong. It was like my stomach. I'd get upset and bubbly guts afterwards. When I cut that in half, it was. I could handle it. And it took a while just to get fat. Adaptive. My body was. Yeah, it was. I mean, I. I, for years, didn't eat more than probably a hundred grams of carbs.

Yeah.

And then when I first tried to switch to ketogenic, I thought going to 200 grams was like just, oh, my God, this is double what I've ever had.

You mean of fat?

Yes.

Yeah.

200 grams of fat a day, which actually still was not enough. I was kind of caught in this limbo. My body was like, are you gonna give me glucose? Am I gonna get ketone? What am I getting? You know? And I could feel that. And I actually didn't like it for, like, the first week or so. And I remember telling Sal, like, I don't know if I'm into this thing. I don't like how I feel. Doesn't feel right. And we looked at, like, how many grams? He's like, no, you got to push more fat.

I'm like, more.

And then I started working up to where I was getting, like, 400 grams of fat, which I just thought was, yeah, that's insane.

And you were still bodybuilding.

I wasn't competing at that time. I was still in competitive shape.

Right.

But when we. When I started messing with ketogenic, I was actually out of the circuit. I was done competing.

Did you. Did you test your hormones or anything to see if they change when you started doing stuff like six eggs for breakfast, avocado?

No, I. I do check. I check my blood because I take testosterone. So I take. I every, like, you know, six months to a year, depending on what was going on. I go get my blood work, kind of. See where you mean.

You do like, testosterone injections?

Yes.

How much testosterone?

When I'm. When I'm competing, the most I ever got, I got up to 500 milligrams. But I had to go back down because when I did my. It was my second or my third show. The judges were like, you're way too big. And I. And I've been on TRT since I was.

What do you mean?

The judges said, you're way too big. Was it like a natural?

No, because I'm men's physique.

Okay.

Yeah, I'm men's. I'm men's physique. So I was starting to flirt with that bodybuilder look. And they were like, you're just. You're too much. And so I actually had to pull off. So I, you know, pretty much most of all my pro career and competing, I was right around 250mg a week is where I'm at. And then when I'm, like, off season, like, right now, I'm anywhere between 50 to 125 milligrams.

You know, what's. What's Interesting too, is even at his highest dose of 500 milligrams of testosterone, that's actually considered a very low dose in the professional world. In.

In, like. In, like the sports performance and doping world, that's not considered to be a lot, right?

No, they would. They could. They would consider.

Is that enough to give you, like, man boobs? Did you have to take. Because you hear about who. Who was the fighter that just got John dq? Yeah.

Was it Clomid or. It could have been Clomid, which is something you take. Like, if I'm not mistaken, you take that after you've been on test.

So Clomid is a serum. Just like Nolvadex. They're both selected.

I use Nova Dex, Novodex and HCG is what I would come.

How I. Hcg?

Yeah. Just to re. Shoot it back up after I come off.

And that keeps your estrogen levels low when you're taking testosterone?

No, it's going to promote the testosterone. My natural testosterone production to come back up.

How do you keep. When you're using testosterone from getting, like, man booze. From getting a lot of that aromatized in. Into estrogen?

Yeah. You would use Nova Dex for that. But really, most the guys that battle with that, it's because they're just. They're taking so much testosterone and that's. You see a lot of these and now give it. Everyone's unique, just totally unique.

Yeah, everybody.

Let me backpedal a little bit for everyone goes like, that's not true. I mean, I take this much. Well, everyone's different. But, you know, you could. You could be super sensitive to gynomastia, then you could be somebody who's not, you know, and you could handle three times a dose. But typically, the guys that I know from competing with my peers, the ones that battle with side effects were they were just stacking so much stuff with no rhyme or reason or understanding what they're doing. I mean, in the. In the competitive world, you know, I found it really crazy how everybody. That's what everybody wants to talk about. Like, you meet a guy, you never met him before, and everyone looks great backstage, and it's like, it's not. What's your workout routine? What's your diet? It's like, oh, what are you running? You know?

Yeah. What do you call it? Gear.

Yeah. What gear?

Yeah.

What's your gear?

What are you on? You know? And it's like, really? Like, I'm nothing.

I just do the intranasal light therapy, bro.

I would love to Say that. Yeah, but that, that was. It turned into more about that then when I started hearing how much, how much these guys in the men's physique and men's physique, there's guys on the Olympia stage that are natural. So there's some guys with good genetics and could make it all the way to the professional level. And actually looked at, it's a very.

Small percentage, but natural, meaning their great grandparents were like Viking kings, more or less super genetic. There is exactly a little bit of.

A lottery, and it is definitely right, you, I mean, we, we know that when it comes to competing somebody that there's very much so a genetic component. Most all the guys at the high, high level are not only genetic freaks, but then on top of that, there's synthetic freaks at the same time, too. But the men's physique level, I mean, it's more about symmetry and. And conditioning and stuff. And so it's crazy how out of control, though, the steroid use is, because it's just bleeding in from the bodybuilding world. Oh, you take this. Oh, take this now and then. Oh, you got to get ripped. Oh, take this now. And just keep adding more and more and more and more. So I thought that was pretty wild. And I was a guy, I was a kid in my early 20s. I was probably 22 the first time that I experimented with testosterone. And it was the worst thing I ever did because I took a huge stack that some bodybuilder guy told me about. I didn't do enough research on it, and I had huge side effects down the road. So I got gynomastia from it. I had a huge drop in my. My sex drive by the time I was 30 years old, I was testing.

Like, below 200 in a situation like that in the bodybuilding industry, are you guys getting this from, like, online pharmacies, or do you just, like, find doctors who prescribe it?

Well, when I was young, when I was young, when I first experimented in my early 20s, it was you. We would go over to Mexico and get it. Or it was, believe it or not, you. The stuff that you could get back then was more legit than what it's out there now. Now it's become so huge that everybody is making in their bathtub and making their own label and trying. And I remember that transition, it was right around, like, 27 years old or so. When I remember looking for testosterone out there and all the stuff that people were sending me, I'm like, no, this is not because you got I used to have the anabolic bible that you could go through and like, okay, that's not real or that's fake.

And, oh, wow.

Most everything that's on the market now, probably a good 80% of it is made at home from somebody.

It's hard to find stuff that. That was being pharmaceutical type. Yeah, the stuff that was being done when we were in our twenties was predominantly Mexican veterinary steroids. Yeah. Which wasn't the greatest either. It wasn't pharmaceutical grade. You know, FDA approved.

If I want to get swole, I want the stuff they give the horses.

In fact, the bottles would have pictures of like, chicken cows. Yeah.

Echo poison shows.

But. But now what they do is they buy bulk powder testosterone from China, and then they mix it themselves and put it in oil themselves, and then they sell it. So you have all these underground labs, and it's really. That's probably the biggest risk you take with taking anabolic steroids nowadays is that you're getting some black market that's probably. Could be tainted. Probably not accurate.

I doubt the guy is using a.

Clean room, but China's really good at the Olympics.

All right, so. So we got. We got the skinny from you, Adam, on your. On your giant eggs for breakfast. The avocado trees people are chopping down.

Yeah, that's just. That is just the weekend. You know, I've given that as a strategy to a lot of clients. I think it's a. It works really well for a lot of my people is. But when on a weekend when you know you're not gonna be active is having a. Just a high fat. Obviously that's a lot. I'm a big guy. I'm 200, almost 230.

I'll still out eat you at sushi tonight.

All right.

It's on.

It's on, bro. Challenge.

Wow. Did that just happen?

The gauntlet's been thrown so good.

If.

If I do more THC than you do, I will out eat sushi.

Referee that.

It's kind of. It's kind of funny because these guys just rolled in from California, and obviously here in Washington, the dispensaries, a dime a dozen everywhere. So you guys, were you privy to some of the high quality Washington?

Well, you know, in California, it's. It's been medicinally legal forever. And so we've got some incredible, you know, marijuana there. It's just weird to walk into a place and have it look so commercial. Like the labels and everything. It looks like.

Oh, it's like a candy store here. When you walk in Any of these, Any of these.

It's pretty cool shops.

It's very fascinating. For me, I started two of the first cannabis club in the Bay Area. So I was a part of the very first wave that came through before they were pretty much anywhere. And it was very, very underground when we first started. Was very, very sketch. I was also a part of the first company, Steep Hill, that did all the testing for all these facilities. So they were the first ones that really start to, you know, make you test and then give you back. Okay. There's no, there's nothing in here. Or there's. They could tell you if it was organic or if they used any.

Supplements for the plants. You could tell the THC levels, CBD levels, all that stuff. Now the thing that I think is kind of funny is, though, and we were talking about this last night because I got this, I got this. I think I have it with me.

I do have it with me.

So I'm looking at it and I'm going, you know, all the years that I grew and all the years that I've been through around testing and so that.

What is that?

This is actually. It's a pre roll.

Oh, okay.

It's a pre roll from your local, local dispensary here. And, and it's. The breakdown here is crazy. 25.14% THC.

You couldn't find that not that long ago. That's a very high amount.

That's really, really high. So when I was growing 7, if you were. If we were getting between 17 to 21% THC, we were pretty much the super top shelf guys that what we were producing.

And what'd you say that one was? 24,25. Yeah.

They've done a good job at pushing these plants to produce. I mean, because they grow them indoors, they pump in nitrogen, they cold, they make the room cold at the right time, they add the right nutrients, and they squeeze out like ridiculous levels of thc, which.

Carbon dioxide.

Sorry about that. Yeah, it's not, it's not nitro.

Yeah, I just, I. I just, I'm fascinated with what they're pushing out of these, you know, what they're getting out of the plant.

You know, two days ago, I made. I made edibles up here in, in my kitchen. I have one of these magical butter machines. You've seen this. It's like a. It's like an immersion blender.

I watched the video.

Eight hours on your kitchen counter. Yeah. So I. So I broke open 40 of this. Of the CBD capsules. That my company makes it. And it's like turmeric and ashwagandha and lemon balm. Very, very kind of sleepy time. But then I blended that with ghee, Coconut oil, a little bit of dark cacao powder, some stevia, an entire bag of rishi spores. And if you haven't had rishi before, it's like one of the most relaxing medicinal mushrooms that you can get. And then what else did I put in there? A little bit of sea salt. And then I decarboxylated some of this high, high strain thc, like this stuff that you just took out. So I cook it in the oven for about 40 minutes, grind that, and put that in there, and that all gets blended together, and you melt one of those in your mouth, and about an hour later, you're just, like, deep into a lucid dream, just dead to the world. And I've met. You know, I track all my sleep cycles and every. Like, I should show you this. My sleep cycle. I took one last night. I should show you my sleep graph from last night. But it's like every single congratulatory note that you can get from the aura app, which is this ring that I wear. I mean, wow.

So it really took your sleep to the next level.

REM sleep through the roof, deep sleep through the roof, sleep latency through the roof, sleep timing. Just everything, like, rock solid.

That's awesome.

Compared to taking an antihistamine or something like that.

Now let me ask you this. How often would you do something like this to optimize sleep? This is. Is. Does this. I was so excited about you guys coming over.

I just had to shut off my brain. No, I'll usually do something like that after a really, really busy day at work where I. Where I would have a hard time shutting off my brain.

So it's scheduled or you use it as a way to improve recovery.

I would take something like that. Two to three times a week. And again, I mean, it's. It's got a lot of really good stuff in it.

Now, how do you feel when you wake up? Do you feel groggy at all, or.

Do you feel amazing?

Amazing. Yeah.

Amazing.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

Yeah. I want to try. All right. Yeah. Well, where did you get the.

But I saw the. I saw the little butter machine.

I've got some little mirror. You guys ever use miron glass jars? I order all my spices and herbs in these miron glass jars or keep them in these mirror on glass jars, which eliminates, like, UVA and uvb. From coming through. And it also eliminates any. Any plastic degradation, etc. A lot of times you'll get like, high quality supplements or high quality powders and herbs. They come in these. They're like a dark, blackish purple jar. And the technical name for that in the industry is mirror on glass. So I'll keep some fresh longer. I'll grab a couple of those upstairs before you guys leave and I'll put them in a mirror on glass jar. You guys can pop them tonight after sushi or whatever.

Oh, man, it's gonna get even weirder.

Yeah.

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All right, so, Sal, what's your go to meal? Not that Adam's rabbit hole at all.

Yeah, exactly.

There's plenty of room, man.

I'll tell you what, one of the meals that I'll eat that'll just make me feel amazing, and I have, you know, I have a tendency towards having gut issues. So a lot of the things that I'll eat are things that I find that really improve my gut health or make my gut feel good. And as you already know, the gut is such an integral part of our brain function, our moods and everything. So when I put this particular meal together and eat it, I just notice I feel fantastic, and I feel very good for a couple days, even in a row. And so it starts off with a very, very large serving of very well cooked rapini or broccoli rabi, which is a type rapini. Yeah. In Italian, we call them rapini, but it's rabe.

That's right. You're Italian.

That's right. Yeah. That's why I'm handsome. R A B E is what you would look up rabe. And it's a type of broccoli, but they're very leafy, so it's almost like it looks like a cross between either spinach and kale and broccoli. And what I'll do is I'll boil those and cook them really well because I eat a tremendous amount of them, so I wouldn't be able to digest them if I Didn't cook them so well. So I make myself a massive plate of that.

It's from the broccoli family.

It's from the broccoli family. And I cover it in olive oil. So I got a nice plate of rapini with olive oil. Then I'll have some sardines, which I absolutely love. I love for the omega 3 fatty acids. Very easy to digest. And then I'll have an avocado. And that is literally my go to meal. So it's a very high fat. The protein even isn't even that high. It's about 20 grams of protein. But after I eat that, man, I feel absolutely incredible.

Do you know much about sulforaphane?

Sulforaphane?

Sulforaphane, yeah. As a compound that you'll find in like. Well, my wife does broccoli sprouts now.

Yes. You know, Rhonda Patrick talks a lot about them.

Well, I went to Finland with Dr. Rhonda and we spent a lot of time, like, in the saunas over there. Her and her husband Dan and I spoke at a biohacking conference there, and they were just like, hot on the sulforaphane research they'd been doing. And they were telling me all about broccoli sprouts and broccoli. So I. I came home and I bought like, I bought some brocco Max by By Jaro formulas. And then I also bought a bunch of broccoli seeds for sprouting. And we have a whole bunch of broccoli sprouts upstairs. And you can also take the seeds and just blend them.

And they're super easy to grow, apparently. Right?

You can grow sulforaphane.

Yeah, sprouts. Super easy.

Yeah.

And the thing about sulforaphane. So because I cook my rapini and I boil them, I probably destroy a lot of the sulforaphane that's in them. Naturally, you want to eat. If you're looking to maximize your intake of that, you want to eat your vegetables relatively raw. Now, there are.

Or frozen. I didn't realize this, but when you freeze, you concentrate the sulforaphane even more.

You do, as long as the blanching process isn't part of it. So what a lot of people don't realize is when you buy frozen vegetables, the standard way that they'll freeze them is they'll blanch them and then freeze them. And when they blanch them, the heat will destroy or degrade a lot of the.

But if you just buy broccoli seeds and freeze them or make broccoli sprouts and toss them in the freezer.

That's totally different.

That's what Rhonda and Dan told me that they do. And so that's what I said.

Absolutely. And so there are definite benefits eating your vegetables raw because you get some of these compounds that are still intact. However, there are also benefits to eating cooked vegetables. And one of them is the sheer volume of vegetables that you can eat when you cook them is so much higher. So I get way more fiber. There's still nutrients that are in cooked vegetables. So because I'm eating so much more, I'm still getting a good amount. But I like to eat lots and lots of vegetables and I just can't handle that many raw vegetables. It just, it'll f my stomach up. So when I, when I cook these rapini, your colon will adapt.

It'll eventually become the size of Jabba the Hutt and you'll get like colonic distension and. Yeah, just be able to store it all.

Yeah, no, I don't want a big colon like that.

You like this big pouch.

What is the benefit?

You like the, like those really obese people in the jogging pants you sometimes see like walking through the mall where they just have the huge pouch. Like you'll have that.

But you know, I don't eat this meal in the day or in the morning. I find I have so much more energy when I'm fasted or at the most I'll put some, some just good old fashioned butter MCT oil or coconut oil in my coffee and go with that. If I eat early in the day, I find myself getting sleepier. So really my go to meal in the morning is nothing like just give me some water and I'm fire man. I feel fantastic. That meal that I had just told.

You was would be something that sounds really delicious. Remind me.

And you like sardines too, right?

I love sardines and what I do to get more of the DHA absorption, I put them with turmeric and like, like today, today for lunch I'll go upstairs and I'll take out my, my cast iron skillet and some olive oil or some avocado oil, some, some of this sea salt. But then I'll put turmeric and black pepper along with the sardines and I cook those up with what are called shirataki noodles which is, they're a special noodle made from Japanese yam. A lot of insoluble fiber, no carbohydrate. But it's like this pasta sardine dish that I'll serve over vegetables for lunch almost every day.

Oh, sounds amazing.

And the turmeric and the black pepper concentrates, the dha. So you get more dha.

Well, not.

You're throwing, you're throwing the sardines on the. You're cooking them.

Oh yeah. Grill them.

Okay, that sounds kind of good. I would do that.

And not, you know, not to mention the turmeric. You know, when people take turmeric they don't realize that it's, it's fat soluble. You need to have a fat with it to absorb it. And the black pepper increases its absorption as well. So when you're eating turmeric. Because I know people who will take a ton of turmeric powder and supplements thinking they're going to get the benefits from the turmeric, the anti inflammatory effects, the anti cancer effects, all the cognitive boosting effects. But if you don't take it with a fat.

It'S not going to be absorbed. It's like a fat soluble vitamin. Think about that.

That's one of the reasons that when I mentioned that edible that I made, I blend it with ghee and coconut oil because the turmeric enhances the bioavailability of the cannabinoids. Oh, the other thing I put in there was black pepper because bioperine is the active ingredient that plays well with turmeric when you blend it with things. So it actually amazing.

Now biopyr, if I'm not mistaken, it changes the way the liver metabolizes things and it increases the half life. Is it of whatever you're eating or.

Keeps it in circulation more well, specifically curcuminoids. It increases the amount of time they spend in the bloodstream. So it doesn't work with all compounds. It's kind of like the opposite of grapefruit. Right. Where if you have grapefruit juice with a pharmaceutical or a drug, it increases the rate at which it's metabolized. And so sometimes you get a very pronounced effect which can be dangerous.

In fact, you know what that reminds me of?

When you remember when Celtec was big and they used to tell you to mix it with the orange juice so it gets in your system really fast. You used to be drinking cell tech.

Like well that's for the sugar effect is what they were doing. But grapefruit has a. Is it neringine or am I saying it right? There's a compound in grapefruit that actually increases the concentration of certain compounds, caffeine being one of them. This is a little Biohack. If you want to increase yourthe effects of caffeine, be very careful. Have it with grapefruit seed extract or grapefruit and it'll hit you much faster. And I learned this the hard way. I'm sensitive to caffeine. I had taken some grapefruit seed extract because I felt like I was getting a cold. Drank my coffee and it was jittery as hell. It was like too much.

Grapefruit seed extract is a good way to do it though, because you're not getting all the fructose and the sugar.

Exactly.

The other, the other couple of things that come to mind when you say that is that that pair well, is with. With cannabinoids in addition to turmeric and black pepper. Mango, Any mango extract. I read, I've read about it.

Have you tried this?

Well, you can get mango flavored, you know, marijuana blends, etc, but I've never actually tried to put like a mango extract into like an edible or eaten a mango at the same time that I've say like vaped supposedly makes it feel stronger. Let's try it tonight.

Night.

Oh my God, the other one. So, so you bring the grapefruits, you bring the mangoes. Okay. The other, the other one is any. Anything citric acid based blended with an alkaloid. And so I don't know if you guys are familiar with or if you've used not to turn this into a complete drug show, but Kratom. Use Kratom at all?

I have used Kratom and I just.

Heard they were trying to ban that.

Well, you know, here's last year. Here's the thing about, here's the thing about Kratom. I used it because I heard all this. You know, I love trying new things out. I did notice a tolerance building effect, which I always am a little weary of where I felt like I needed more and more and I felt like you could. Because of that tolerance building effect, there could be some addictive properties, physical addictive properties, but nonetheless it's. It's one of those substances that I think freaks out the pharmaceutical industry because people are saying that it's a good way to replace opiates.

It acts very similar. And this is how I found it. I hurt my low back and I was down in California and the guy whose house I was staying at, he's not into painkillers. And it was actually his. His mom was there, not him. But his mom's even more hippie than he is. All she had around was Kratom. And she said, well, take a teaspoon of this, it'll knock out the pain. So I did. And it not only knocked out the pain, but I had this extreme sense of euphoria. So I started to research it. And it comes in different strains like white, white strain, wakefulness and coffee like effect during the day, red strain for euphoria and sleep and sexual enhancement at night. And if you, if you make it into a tea and you use a little bit of lemon juice or lime juice in the tea, the citric acid concentrates, the alkaloids in the kratom and so similar to like grapefruit mixed with, with you know, some kind of a supplement or like mango mixed with marijuana. Same thing. You mix citric acid with Kratom and you get this double whammy effect.

Interesting.

It's really interesting.

What type of plant is it? Like what does it look like?

It's, I get it in powdered form now.

Is it wasn't native, is it South America?

Thailand.

Thailand.

Thailand, yeah. Yeah. So really interesting opportunity. Yeah. But you can, you can order it online. The, the, the FDA tried to schedule it as a class one substance unsuccessfully, last year. It's definitely kind of like, kind of like cbd.

One caveat. Look, it's definitely something you feel and there's definitely a dangerous amount I think you can take. I don't think it's toxic, but I know some people have had some negative so side effects. So. So be. It's, it's something.

Well, I mean, don't make a hamburger out.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Well, you want to know these guys.

Talking about like a tea, you're a teaspoon.

Don't take like a pound of it your first time.

Well, you know, you got people like.

Actually when you look at the standard way to take it because this is how I'll use a lot of. And I get a hard time for this. Sometimes somebody will give me a greens powder or a Chinese adaptogenic herb complex and I'll just dump it in my mouth. Right. Because you get a lot of that mucosal absorption. So I researched Kratom and apparently the go to way to take it is to either chew on the leaves in your mouth or to just take the powder to put it in your mouth and then just to get a little sip of water and swish around your mouth until all the powder goes away and dissolves. So you don't, you don't get the same citric acid effect of making a new tea.

So we'll throw that to our Evening stack we're doing tonight. So so far we have the, we have your butter tea. Yeah. Turmeric thing. We've got the microdose psilocybin.

Are you sure we're not going to rave after that?

I don't.

It might feel like a rave.

Okay. No, we're actually just taking my children to sushi. So that's all father.

Father of the year.

I'll mention to my wife we'll be taking an Uber to sushi.

Don't worry, Doug's gonna be with us. He's over.

Keep it on the hush.

He always keeps us under control.

Thanks. Thanks, dad. All right, so. So Justin go. And by the way, if you're listening in right now, if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com mindpump3 mind pump the number three. I'm gonna twist these guys arms to actually send me each of these recipes that they are describing to you. Oh God, that's cool. I'll put it. I'll put them in the show notes so you guys can get Adam, Sal and Justin's go to.

Mine will be easy. It's just coffee. There you go.

Yeah. What's your, what's your go to meal?

Like? So I mean, for me it's real simple. So I like to tend to restrict what I'm eating for the most part to get me energy. So if I want to kind of refocus and, and you know, get one meal where I feel like, okay, I'm optimizing my nutrients and all that out around like 3 o'.

Clock.

I'm gonna build myself a nice salad that, you know, I'm gonna get every color I can possibly get in there, usually from like bell peppers. And that's a good way for me to really diversify and then add in if I can, I'll add in some eggs and you know, get in some avocado and make sure you like scramble.

Eggs and put them on the salad.

No, like hard boiled eggs. I always have hard boiled. So here's why. Because I have chickens, which. You have chickens here, right?

Yeah, yeah.

So I got got, I got like six chickens now. They're finally producing again. So, you know, I haven't. I almost was this close to sending them, you know, out.

I'm like, you gotta get rid of things.

We almost exactly.

We were gonna have some chicken sandwiches.

Chick fil a real quick.

I was telling them they were on borderline right there. But yeah, so they started producing again and it's interesting because each one of them has Like a different colored egg.

Why did they stop producing?

Because two of them were brooding. And then after that. So we tried to. We tried to fix the problem by actually getting them eggs that they could sit and.

Fake eggs, right? Yeah.

No, they weren't even fake.

First when you put Cadbury eggs.

We have some of those fake eggs. They were.

Oh, you do?

Yeah. You should have heard Adam's advice. Adam's like, you got to go in there and show him who's boss. He went up a little bit.

That was inappropriate.

Yeah.

Let's be honest.

But, yeah, it was funny.

Chicken raping is one way to get. See, I knew he would go there. Oh, my God.

I said it last time. At least he said it on his show.

You know what I'm saying?

You like this?

All this omelet is.

This omelette is fantastic. I finally raped a few last night. And they're producing.

That's how you mix the eggs before they come out.

Beautiful yolky eggs.

That's horrible.

There you go.

So, yeah, they have different colored eggs, which is interesting. I just like to see, like, what naturally is going on based off of, like, what they're eating out. I let them free range all over my property.

So, yeah, natural chicken egg. And it has, like, a little bit of chicken on the outside of the shell, and that's how you know that it's like a real chicken. I actually wash that off. That makes me a little nice.

I like getting the. The. The diversity in my. So I. I'll sprinkle some of that poop, right?

Yeah. So you just basically do eggs with a bunch of salad.

Eggs with a bunch of salad and some. And chicken or whatever else.

Throws a hot pocket right on there.

Meat throw in there.

Yeah.

Like I said, I keep it really simple. So it's a pretty easy recipe for your listeners.

Easy peasy to throw together.

Yeah.

Easy. Almost boring. Yeah, real boring. Real boring.

You're asking the wrong guy. You can ask.

I thought you were going to talk about, like, you emulsifying the eggs with the.

I don't get on your guys level with that kind of stuff.

Like.

Like to keep it real simple, man.

I am a fan of bell peppers, though. They're one of those things that you have to buy organic because they're notoriously high in pesticides and herbicides, but.

Yeah.

Yeah. For vitamin C. Yeah.

How do you feel about that with, like, you know, certain fruits and certain vegetables that have, like, a harder shell or something that's like avocados?

Like, I honestly don't go out of my way to spend the extra money on the organic avocado or the organic bananas or, or anything has got a shell.

Right.

Just because I like to fool myself that herbicides and pesticides don't go through no way of creeping through anything. Like the human skin that can't absorb. So why would a banana skin be.

Able to absorb anything?

No, but I, yeah, I do go out of my way to go organic on the strawberry. You know the dirty dozen.

That's what they call them.

Peaches. Etc. Yeah. So a couple other questions I had for you guys. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about supplements, but I think we kind of kicked that horse to death already. So workouts, you guys are obviously on the road right now, traveling. We're going to go tackle the Laser Quest castle of nights. You get your 20,000 steps in. But do you guys have go to travel workouts that you do like you Adam, when you're, when you're out and about, keep yourself shredded.

We, we created a program called Maps Anywhere which is specifically for that. But if I'm being completely honest, it really depends on what I'm currently focused on right now. So. And I, I don't know how you guys are and how you guys train, but for me, like, like, I like to become like hyper focused on a specific goal. It's why the whole bodybuilding competing thing was super entertaining and fun for me. But then I was over it. Once I kind of made my way to the professional level then I was like, okay, I did that. Now I'm on to something else. And right now I've been addressing a lot of my lack of mobility. So during all that hypertrophy training and meathead type of lifting, I really didn't realize how bad of a position I had put my body in until I started to do, try and do something, do some, you know, mobile type, you know.

I'm sure 150 pounds of dual compression on each leg right now is really helping with mobility.

Yeah, yeah.

I feel stiff as right now laying.

In or standing in these things.

Yeah, so do I.

What, what I'll do on a trip right now with like seeing you, we're here just for a couple days, so, you know, I got a really heavy session in of squats deads overhead my basic big compound movements before because I know I'm probably not going to get that while I'm here. But then when I'm here I'll do, I'll work on a lot of my mobility stuff. So, so you know, I'll pull some. Some of our moves from Maps prime and some of our moves from Maps Anywhere. And I'll combine that. Which Maps anywhere is a lot of body weight type stuff. So I just played with that for the first before I just used one the other day.

This is a vibrating massage ball.

Yes.

Check this out. Since we've already got the sound of the. Of the pump in the background, this should. Whoa. So this, this guy. I'll work on this. You know where this works? I mean you could put it anywhere, like on the outside of the hips or whatever. But have you guys ever done work on the psoas like laid down on a ball? Oh, this works amazing.

That's gnarly.

Plus you'll poop like a baby.

Just last week I actually called the Hyper Hypersphere. It's. It's a vibrating ball for deep tissue work.

We. I actually just laid on that exact tool last week for the first time. Our. One of our athletes, Mike Salemi, he's a kettlebell sport pro. He. He had it. He brought it with him and I was like, let me check this thing out. That the first place in toy to put it too.

Put it right there on your silhouette.

Check that out.

What do you mean one of your athletes?

So we sponsor a kettlebell sport. Are you familiar with kettlebell sport yet?

Yeah, I'm the world champion. You are.

So that can't be true.

We have Mike will challenge.

Yeah, right. So we have. We. We. He was the first athlete and we wanted to sponsor somebody different. Like we didn't want to go. We wanted to do a. A sport that we were really interested in that I think is kind of underground a little bit right now. And kettlebell sport, a lot of people are familiar. We weren't familiar with it until we got tied up with Kettlebell Kettlebell kings and into that community. And then we kind of found out it's kind of like kettle a crossfit for kettlebells. It's that same type of mentality.

You mean like there's. There's actual workouts and actual defined.

Well, the events. The events like you'll events like you'll.

Do, you know, long cycle snatches and.

Stuff like that for time and you're doing. Yeah. And it's. I mean the Russian. The Russians have been competing forever in kettlebell type sports. And kettlebell sport is a little bit different with the rules and the way they put things together. But it's going to be actually gonna be pretty big.

You like it? It's cool. Yeah.

So you like go to an event.

And it'll be like you're gonna do this exercise with the kettlebell and see who can do the most reps and.

X. Yeah, there's weight classes. So if you weigh X amount of pounds, then you get a 70 pound kettlebell, this guy gets a 80 pound kettlebell, this person gets a 50 pound kettlebell and then it's like 10 minutes.

Yeah.

Who can get the most out?

They have kettlebell preacher curls. I could totally dominate. That's what I feel like. Oh wow. I'm looking at this. The on your phone kettlebell, also known as Jivaroy Juroy sport. A power endurance feat of cyclical nature. Wow. Lifter success involves proper breathing patterns, aerobic capacity, stability, mental focus. Huh. Interesting.

This is seriously right up your alley. So in fact we're going to be hosting.

It's a big community.

We're going to be hosting. We're hosting a competition.

You should come down for that. That be a good time for you.

To come and anybody can come. You don't have to be in the sport. And they're gonna have an event that has nothing to do with kettlebells in there. We're gonna surprise.

Great to have Ben come host it with us.

I think Ben with me you would kill it.

Yeah.

Because it's a very endurance like you have to have serious mental fortitude to be able to.

Plus, as you guys know, after walking my front door I have a yoga swing. And so I mean there's no way I can rule. A kettlebell automatically qualifies. It's a yoga trapeze. They keep telling me that.

I thought it was a company that.

Said to me like quick at a yoga swing. It's a yoga trapeze.

Yeah, yeah. You would like.

Turns you into a beast.

You would like her. You like our buddy Mike Salemi, man.

He'S bringing it together.

He's a very, very important. What does he weigh? About 150, 160 pounds.

I mean you want to talk about strength to weight ratio, that will blow your mind. This guy's all natural. Always been natural superhero. Very, very into gut health mobility. I'm just very well balanced, very intelligent gentleman.

He's got all the lo. He has all the el does, he's got all the check.

He's.

He's got all.

I'll link to. Does he have like a webpage or something? Because I'll link to it in the show notes.

Kettlebell lifestyle.

Okay.

That's his Instagram page.

Yeah, that's his Instagram page and then you can find him through us because he is now an official athlete of ours and we've had him on the show or we just had an episode with him recently on there. They'll see his name up there.

Shot Quite a few YouTube.

It. It sounds to me like what you do, Adam, is, is you crush it when you're at home and then when you hit the road, you do a.

Lot of mobility work. Yeah, yeah, totally.

I like that.

Yeah, yeah.

Approach. How about you? So.

So I just got back from a long trip in Thailand, which, by the way, Thailand is probably one of the most. The most amazing places.

I love Thailand.

Oh, it's gorgeous. Every year, really. So we were compete over there.

They have the best triathlon in the world.

It is amazing. It is like you've never seen. I was just telling these guys we were at COPP and some of the resorts over there and then we went to some of the islands with the, you know, the high speed boats. It's incredible.

You go to Riley Bay?

Yeah.

Oh, gorgeous. Bay is my favorite place on earth.

Gorgeous.

I go there and hire a rock climber, like a rock climber and guide and get a rock climbing guy for like five bucks a day. Stay in a beach bungalow for like 10 bucks a night, and you basically eat barbecued swordfish and corn on the cob on the beach. That sounds awesome.

And you see, that sounds like. And they rock climb these massive boulders that are in the ocean.

Yeah, they're these huge, like limestone karsts.

That have like all you drop in the ocean.

Yeah. And they have a tacky surface. So. So it's like your Spider Man. A ton of bolted roots. I mean, it's. And there's no cars that you can only get there by boat. I don't, I don't want to be talking about too much on the podcast. You don't want too many people there because right now it's just like a bunch of half naked college students. And once people find out a lot.

A lot of hairy armpits. But it was amazing. But anyway, while I was there, and this is what I like to do when I, when I go on, you know, trips is I like to do body weight type work. So, like maps anywhere will highlight kind of how we do that, where we put together foundational type workouts and then do these, what are called AM sessions if I want to bring up the intensity. But another thing I like, and maps.

Is just your guys, a special name that you give to any of these workout programs. That you create and sell online.

Yeah, so we have, there are different terms.

Why don't you tell them the acronym?

Yeah, MATH stands for Muscular Adaptation Programming System. You know, us being trainers and having taken that approach with exercise, we understand the importance of exercise programming, how to program a routine. People don't, they don't give any credence to that anymore. It's just a bunch of, oh, you work your biceps, you work your chest. These are the exercises.

Well, they're all very intense, driven. Right. That's typically what you see now is that. But you know, the workouts that a lot of people sell online is just like, who can put the most crazy.

Workout together, make you the sorest? No, we understand adaptation. So our programs are designed around different types of adaptations. Maps Anywhere is the one that we do that doesn't require any equipment. But the other thing that I like to do is I like to improve my control in new ranges of motion. So what I'll do, let's say I'm somewhere for 10 days is I'll dedicate two or three days to static stretching to gain new ranges of motion. Then I'll dedicate one or two days of activating the muscles while I'm in a static stretch. So at first, let's say I'm doing a, let's say I'm doing the splits and I'm relaxing in the splits so I can get range of motion. I do that for a couple days. So now I've got new range of motion. Then the following couple days I'll get in that new range of motion and then I'll do sets where I'm tensing the muscles, I'm stretching and then tensing the opposing muscles and going back and forth. And all I'm trying to do is get connection within that new range of motion. And then the final days that I'm there is I'll do exercises where I'm actually moving within the new ranges of motion so I can get some control. Then when I come back home and I lift weights, I am training within new ranges of motion. I lighten my load and I start to build it back up. Build up.

This is called Maps Anywhere.

Maps Anywhere utilizes some of the exercises in amp sessions, what we call amp sessions, which are intensity based workouts that help you scale up the intensity that you would do with workouts without any equipment. So very effective.

Let's check it out. You guys, you guys gave me access to the back end of your, of, of the website where I can download these.

You can have any of them.

I'm about to take off in like a week for about two weeks of travel. So if I download that, it'll walk me through exactly what you just described. Yeah.

And I think. I think maps, anywhere you would like that prime would blow. Prime would blow your mind.

What's prime?

So prime is the newest. That's our. Probably our most ambitious, creative program that we've completed today. It is the program that we created. I don't think there's anything out there that tries to address these particular issues. One of them being how do you prime the body properly before you work out? Because we understand that priming your body properly will make a tremendous difference in terms of the type of signal you send while you're working out. Will make a difference in terms of muscle recruitment patterns, getting the proper recruitment patterns in terms of recovery. And people treat what you do before your workout is just a warmup. They think, oh, I'm gonna warm up and prevent injury. But what they don't realize is preventing injury is the absolute least that what you do before your workout should do. What you can really do with when you prime your workout is you can make your current workout much, much more effective. The problem we encountered was how do you individualize that? Because. Because that's one of the keys with priming, is the way you would prime. Let's say you have forward shoulder. Let's say you have upper cross syndrome, and I have. Let's say my problem is I have a, you know, I'm hip flexor dominant. I have anterior pelvic tilt. We're going to prime differently for the same exact workout because you're going to try and encourage a certain type of recruitment pattern, and I'm going to try and encourage a different kind of recruitment pattern. Or let's say you're going to go and do an event that requires lots of explosive power. There's going to be a different way you prime than if you're going to go and do something that requires more control or if my central nervous system tends to be overactive, and I hate to use that term because that's not really accurate, but let's say I tend to be real tight and tense, and athletes listening right now can relate. If you're tight and tense before an event, you tend to be exhausted very early. Well, priming will help optimize your central nervous system. On the flip side, let's say you're too loose and you need to get amped because you're about to go power lift or you're about to, you know, throw a spear. You need something explosive. Priming properly will improve your central nervous system to give you more power. And we included in Maps prime, this is the part that we had to really invent was something we called the compass, which takes you through different movements, helps you grade yourself, and then it directs you to design your own, which.

You were only able to find, you know, previously in, you know, other other things like FMS and all these, like these functional movements type screening where you'd have to kind of go through a whole course to get there. We wanted to be able to teach people at more of a surface level. Like, here's how you know, understand.

Yeah, you know what, though?

Understand your body better.

I just wear one of these. So this, this. How do you.

How do you like the halo?

This deadens your motor cortex. No, it's. I. I recently podcast with it. It's a halo.

Now this is what I want to try.

Transdirect cranial stimulation.

I want to try that.

Any workout you do after this feels effortless. You wear this thing and it's how.

Long you keep it.

Vortex skill acquisition. So you can use it before you like, do the warriors, but you still have practice or. Yeah, Golden State warriors used it. You wear it for 20 minutes and then you're primed for the next 60 minutes for your workout. So you're priming your brain. And yeah, all it does is it activates the motor cortex.

So here's what I would like to do.

Anything motor skill related.

Combine. Combine that.

I would like to try something like this. That primes the. The brain with our program, which is really a body priming type program.

Prime. While you're priming.

New program super Prime.

We put the prime in primal.

There's a. There's a man standing outside my office with a shovel. So we just keep going.

Do we know who he is?

I have no clue who he is, but we'll just let him do his thing.

He's working though, so he looks like he's working.

He works for the Gummen, so you got it.

You got employees working around your house.

You don't even know, so.

So I want to be able to. To give Justin the chance to squeeze in his. His workout, his go to workout. Hopefully it's more exciting than I was just gonna say. I know, dude.

Where I lack in nutritional.

Put an egg on a bell pepper.

And I go to the Himalayas and I get some very specific, you know, berry and I like, smash it. And then I do all these very, you know, I Get some cinnamon and. Yeah, I'm not that specific.

I do that too. It's called some people have to live.

Yeah, yeah. No, I. What I do, and it's very similar to what Adam was kind of describing as far as if I try to plan for, for traveling, what do I do with my workouts is I want to get a good, solid workout in a foundational type workout is what we kind of call them. So whether that's with barbells or kettlebells, I'm going to make sure and get, you know, these compound lifts in and really exhaust my body. And then when I get into, you know, a situation in like the hotel or something where I'm limited on different types of tools that I can access. So what I'll do is.

What do you mean all hotels have an elliptical?

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

All they have is like these treadmills. That's about all you got.

So.

So what I like to do is more isometrics, isokinetic type exercises where, you know, I'm holding certain positions for long and I'm, you know, I'm ramping up my, my tension of my entire body and learning new ranges of motion. So really it's expressing range of motion, but now adding tension to that. So I want to build my strength, which, you know, we talk about mobility, but I take it a little bit step further where I'm really increasing my tension.

I'll tell you what, I knew he wasn't gonna.

I knew you wouldn't mention this.

Adam showing me a video right now. I'll link to this in the show notes. You just like throwing these big ass clubs around.

Yeah. So like I said, I'm more interesting working out wise than I am nutrition. So I'm, I'm totally into macepell swings. I'm totally into Indian club swinging. Lots of rotational work there that I can apply with. You know, get some good tension there. And in response, out of, you know, the retraction depression of my shoulder blades, you know, the wrist rotation, elbow rotation. So all these movements that you want to make sure that those are huge.

Too, you know, if you don't these clubs, I gotta embed this video in the show note because, dude, you're not doing it justice. These clubs that you're swinging around are freaking huge.

This is why I had to tell you because this Justin, just so you know, he's terrible about talking about himself. Yeah. So just if you haven't put that together. Yeah, he's horrible.

How's. How's that? How's that dick with like a built in computer going that you're.

Yeah, man. Yeah. So we're excited. Yeah, that's my, my invention that.

What's it called again?

It's called the Axon.

The Axon Axon. Yeah. I remember we talked about that in the last podcast and so I'll link to that podcast in the notes. But it's like a stick that measures my muscle tension.

Exactly. So you can see it lights up with the led. This is the prototype.

So I've been, I've been, been able to.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I'll have to show you guys listening in. I'll put a link to this in the show notes as well. That's sick.

Yeah, so that's, that's the prototype. That's the second prototype. What it actually looks like. I, I posted some pictures of that as well. But it's, it's going to be made out of bamboo and it's going to.

Look really straddling a giant lit up dick is what it looks like actually.

Well, if that's what you see, that's what you see.

Yeah. Mind, Mind.

Some people both think it's the stick Mind pump.

Justin on Instagram. Okay, cool. I'm gonna link to this. That's really cool. You can use this to basically create a bunch of muscle tension, but at the same time the light tells you how much tension you're creating. Exactly.

And it's guided. It's guided. So think of, think of if you're a coach even. Right. So I, I want to be able to prescribe a specific exercise in, in programs entirely. They're going to be able to send that to their athletes and then they're going to be able to download that eventually where.

Oh, so. So it actually collects the tension. The, the collection tells you your max.

Output, all that stuff.

Oh, wow.

Quantum.

That's really cool.

Yeah, quantifies it right here.

Dude, I can't wait till this comes out. Yeah, that's gonna be sick.

Yeah, I'm definitely gonna hook you up with one and have you play with it and give me feedback and stuff.

So I'm excited about.

Only us would get excited about giant sticks measure muscle tension. No, it actually is Disney call me.

Because it definitely could be a lightsaber.

All right, I got it. I got a rapid fire question for you guys to finish up here. You have the Mind Pump podcast. You've had a lot of people on there aside from just me. Surprisingly, you've actually interviewed other people.

A lot of, A lot of cool interviews that you guys do now.

So with all these people that you've interviewed, if you could tell me one piece of enchanting, intriguing or interesting advice that was like your highlight for the past year. Of people that you've interviewed, what would be like your top go to. And you can't say sticking the thing up your nose that I showed you.

No, no. Right away comes to mind. Probably my. One of my favorite was Steven Kotler. So. Right.

I just, I just interviewed him. Have you read his new book about.

Just finished Rise of Superman?

No.

I have Reaching Fire. I have Stealing Fires next Stealing Fire.

About like Burning man and the CIA.

I have it. And I started to open that. But then I. I was so excited about him and his story. After we interview him. Then I was like, okay, I gotta go back and read his first great book. So I started back and I've read Rise of Superman. Fell in love with it. He was an awesome interview. So he was just a fun guy to be around. I'm super fascinated with flow. I'm a snowboarder. I wakeboard. I do all this stuff. So I was extreme sports was like my childhood. I grew up around that. I love that I was the one who wanted to snowboard really bad with you while we were up here because that's my thing for sure.

There's a bunch of powder we're 20 minutes away from.

You have no. When you said that, I was like, you have no idea how bad I would do. So unathletic though.

You brought the California kids with you.

Yeah, I know. So Steven Kotler, I mean, it's. It's hard because I don't, I don't want. I feel like I'm not giving justice to some of our great guests. You know, like Dr. Brett McCabe was awesome sports psychologist. But cutler really for me where I'm at currently, like, I. I just happen to be. You know. And you actually inspired some of this. Last time I seen you with the to I'm trying to like turn off all my electronics by seven o'. Clock. I'm going from all my lights in my house to candlelight. I'm starting to try and meditate more at night. I'm working on my breathing a lot of these things. I'm trying to become a monk. Well, no, here's what I was trying to do on a honest truth. I smoke weed every single night. And I don't want to become dependent on that as the main thing that settles my brain down, which the truth be told, it does.

I actually have a computer right there. That's hooked up to neurofeedback equipment that lets you reset your tolerance to weed. Oh, no, I have a full. I have a full neurofeedback protocol that completely resets your tolerance.

She doesn't need help with.

I might have to.

I might have to spend an extra.

No, seriously, I do it once a week.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, we're gonna have to. That just keep. It keeps you as a cheap day.

See, I would have just met. So because of that, I was like, you know what? Like, as much as I'm pro cannabis and everything, I don't want to become dependent on it as a. It's my main source of what gives me all this relief and settles me down. And so I've been working on all these things to intrinsically do that. And so Steven Kotler's episode just totally hit home for me right away. I got his book and both my girl and I both went through it together. And I'm getting ready to do his newest one that I actually don't even think that's released yet. I believe you can't. People can't even buy that. So.

Stealing Fire.

Yeah, I think it comes out the 24th of this month, so.

Behind me.

I know, I see it. Yeah.

How did you get one early?

So he's interviewed. He interviewed him. Right. You said you interviewed me.

I threatened him.

On the Dark Web.

How did you like the interview? Did you.

I loved it. I thought him and Jamie will. Fantastic book. Fantastic. All right, so Stephen Kotler and I'll link to that book for those of you who want to pre order it on Amazon. I'll put it in the show notes. How about you, Sal?

You know, they've all been pretty interesting, but two of my favorites were Dr. Terry Wahls, who created the Wahls Protocol.

Yeah.

And cured her own Ms. And talks a lot about how, you know, she. She progressed from taking certain nutrients that would help her to eating a paleo type diet, to then creating her own protocol to include foods that were very, very nutrient dense.

Sure. Her eyes popped out her head when. When Adam said he was eating 400 grams of carbohydrates.

Well, this was actually after we were at that point.

Yeah, 20 grams max. You're gonna die.

But, you know, one thing that she said that really struck home was that, you know, she said she was giving us advice on just how many vegetables we should be eating a day. And it was. I thought I was eating a lot of vegetables until I heard her talk about why we needed to eat. You Know, like three massive dinner plates a day or four, something.

Seriously, her colon must be huge.

It must be. Maybe, I don't know, we can ask her. But I started eating. I started making vegetables and much bigger part of my diet where in the past I didn't consider a meal a meal unless it had some kind of protein in it. You know what I mean? Like, if I just ate a bunch of vegetables, it wasn't considered a meal. Whereas now I have entire meals that are all vegetable.

I think we all did, right? That's the neatest part about having great, like, really intelligent.

You know, right away when you get like these doctors or great authors and it's like, man, you know what, Let me play with that and start to incorporate that into my mind.

Honestly, for me, being a podcaster for the past 10 years, almost my entire life, from a health and a fitness and nutrition standpoint, has evolved from podcast guests. Yeah, I was like, oh, that's cool, try that.

Or I totally never would have heard it.

And then you see what works.

That's why I thought it was great.

It's an awesome job. I get to talk to super smart people, except you guys, every.

Two days a week. Like these people who I'd normally have to probably pay 500 to 1000 bucks or more an hour to even be able to get on the phone with them. I can just sit there on the.

Microphone with, yeah, it's absolutely awesome. So Dr. Terry Wahls really influenced me to eat more vegetables, larger servings. I saw tremendous benefit from that in both energy, health, my skin, sleep, I mean, everything. It just felt so much better. And that's what I do now. And then Zach Bitter, who's the American world record holder in the 100 mile race, and he's a keto athlete. And I. And from an athletic standpoint, a ketogenic diet, is it going to benefit you? Maybe, if you're an ultra endurance type athlete. And he really confirmed that. And he talked about how during these long races, he used to have to constantly feed himself with hundreds of grams of carbohydrates, whereas when he's keto and he's doing these runs, small doses of carbohydrates and they get utilized much more effectively. He doesn't have to carry as much stuff with him. He doesn't have to fill up his stomach with as much, you know, sugar or whatever to keep himself fueled. And his body's so hypersensitive to these carbohydrates that they just, they get utilized very well. And that's how his performance went to the next level. He also talked about how his inflammation went way down. So I thought that was fascinating how you could, if you're an athlete and you use a ketogenic type diet, but you want to maximize performance, how you can utilize or take advantage of, I should say, that insulin sensitizing effect, throw the carbs in when you're ready to perform and you get, you know, better performance.

Exactly.

That.

That's what a lot of ketogenic athletes don't emphasize, is the fact that ketosis isn't necessarily a performance. It's a definite longevity and health aid, but it's not a performance aid unless you take advantage of that maximized insulin sensitivity. And you have those periods of time where you use sugar as a sometimes drug. Right. Where you're like, okay, I've been in ketosis for six months now. I'm going to go out and do my 100 mile race and just like eat a ton of sweet, sweet potatoes right before that. And then you're like, God, yeah, right. So then you get it. You.

It's a noticeable boost.

Right. So Zach better. And I'm gonna link to all these. So Terry Walls, Zach Bitter, Stephen Kotler. I'll link to all the episodes that you guys did with these folks. How about you, Justin?

I like Dr. Brett McCabe. Yeah, he was very. It was, it was refreshing because we, me and Adam always like to talk about sports and like, because we spend a lot of time growing up, you know, I played on three different sports, baseball, basketball, football. And just to hear that type of mind from a coach and, and how he motivates people, and it was just refreshing to hear he reminded me a lot of, like, some of my real influential, impactful coaches that I've experienced.

What does he coach?

So he's.

He's a sports. He's a sports. Sports psychologist. Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, he, like, works on the athletes.

He specializes in. Baseball is where his is most of.

His down there in San Jose.

Pga.

No, no, he's. We're flying. Where are we flying him from?

I don't remember.

Doug, do you know. Sorry.

Yeah.

I should ask the assistant. This one.

Yeah.

Is he in Florida?

We're flying him from somewhere.

I don't know. I don't know.

He's coming in, though. He's coming in the studio and he's. And he's. He was a great, great guest. Like, just like Justin said, Justin and I don't get a chance to talk about sports very often because of, you.

Know, science, nerd over here because.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, completely.

Can we go outside and throw football after so we can all laugh at you?

Is that the one you kick?

It's like the kid in what's. What's that show what Michael Cherra was in, where every time his dad would throw him a football, he just, like, curl up in the corner and shield himself.

No, I'm not. I'm not scared of a football. In fact, we actually played.

Not modern.

We played a basketball game. That's okay. No, it's okay.

Okay.

We have it on film. It's actually recorded. You can go on our YouTube. It's on our YouTube channel. Mind Pump TV on YouTube. And me and Adam got this huge. We played. We played horse.

Arms were really tight.

We played horse, and I won. It's one of those things.

You should have seen this shot.

My. My kids and I play pig right out here in the. In the hallway behind you where all the carpet is torn up because we just had a flood last night, so. So we're all gonna die of mold, by the way. I know if you guys. If you guys were Dave Asprey, you wouldn't have even ventured down here. That and all blue cheese in the refrigerator. But we. We set up a target at the end of the hallway and have bow shooting competitions indoors where we'll play pig and horse with the bows.

Oh, awesome.

Yeah, McCabe was cool.

He was a.

He was a pitcher for lsu, so he was part of the world. He was on the World College World Series team. And he goes into, like, this whole story with, like, that, the. The dynamic between him and his coach and the mental warfare that he had of, like, getting out on the mound and going out there to save a game and stuff. So he gets into all that. It's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, it was all how his coach really was able to challenge him, you know, and like, really tell him what he needed to hear, you know, that. That got him into the point where he could reach a lot of, like, what they're talking about with flow with. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, we had them back to back. We had. I think we had Brett McCabe first, and then we had potler right after that. It was like such a great back to back episodes to interview someone like that. First you get into the sports psychology side of it, then you dive into, like the whole whole flow. And it was great. It was great to have those two guys back to back.

Well, I'll put these. If you're listening in BenGreenfieldFitness.com mindpump3 that's BenGreenfieldFitness.com MindPump the number three fellas, we got a date tonight at the biggest laser tag castle in North America. We've got a lot of different things to experiment with beforehand. Some excellent sushi afterwards. We've got sea salt, wine and dark chocolate spread out here on the table. Plenty of goodies to go around. Thanks for coming on the show, guys.

Thanks for having us, dude.

Always fun.

Always.

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